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th3kuzinator · Jan 19, 2011

I dont know, none of the platoforms link up with any characters sh or running full hop like the ones on dl do is it might give some characters a disadvantage. I say, if we want a small stage, just pick FD (if we can get those stars removed)

felipe_9595 · Jan 19, 2011

teh stars get removed while ago

the problem is the massive ammount of gs needed

Sempiternity · Jan 19, 2011

th3kuzinator said:
I dont know, none of the platoforms link up with any characters sh or running full hop like the ones on dl do is it might give some characters a disadvantage. I say, if we want a small stage, just pick FD (if we can get those stars removed)

Exactly. It's a change of pace from the other levels, and a bit ****-eyed, but that's its charm. It allows for great up/down approaches throughout the entire stage, which most of the other stages don't, which creates another style of play, varying the game up a bit.

I'm not buying the disadvantage argument, though. Dreamland gives certain characters ridiculous advantages (DK platform U-airs, Falcon's U-Smash, etc.), so why isn't Dreamland banned? For every advantage, there's a disadvantage to the guy who can't perform those advantages.

Battlecow · Jan 19, 2011

If such a thing as a KB-N64 adapter were invented, would it be legal in console play?

I would also challenge anyone to find a significant difference between console and emulator play, if the pro-emu guy brings an adapter for the controller-players out there.

Looks OK for the most part otherwise.

I am coming out right now against the samedelay command; it would confer an insane advantage to the player with higher delay, because they are, of course, used to the delay, while the poor sap whose only crime was good connection and location is punished. p2p is the go-to option for those of us who can't get good delay on server.

And I am TOTALLY UNBIASED regarding the above issue =p

th3kuzinator · Jan 19, 2011

Semp, DK's uair chains are one of the things I like about DL. Actually gives him a chance to be interesting.

ballin4life · Jan 19, 2011

Battlecow said:
If such a thing as a KB-N64 adapter were invented, would it be legal in console play?

I would also challenge anyone to find a significant difference between console and emulator play, if the pro-emu guy brings an adapter for the controller-players out there.

Looks OK for the most part otherwise.

I am coming out right now against the samedelay command; it would confer an insane advantage to the player with higher delay, because they are, of course, used to the delay, while the poor sap whose only crime was good connection and location is punished. p2p is the go-to option for those of us who can't get good delay on server.

And I am TOTALLY UNBIASED regarding the above issue =p

samedelay is dumb ... but serious matches should be p2p anyway right?

Also if you play console you can feel the difference from emulator. For one, controller adapters aren't perfect, particularly with stick range.

I can do training mode combos much more easily on console than on emulator, for example.

th3kuzinator said:
Semp, DK's uair chains are one of the things I like about DL. Actually gives him a chance to be interesting.

I <3 the DK tent combos. And you're way more likely to get one than you are to get a platform drop uair combo on Dreamland.

th3kuzinator · Jan 19, 2011

DK tent combos bore me so much, unless you finish it outta the tent with something cool.

And I have gotten pri consistent at dk uair chains soz...

ballin4life · Jan 19, 2011

I was just saying that to start an uair chain you have to be in a pretty specific situation. To start a DK tent combo you just need to get a grab somewhat near there.

Also DK tent combos are awesome and if you disagree it's because you aren't creative enough at them

th3kuzinator · Jan 19, 2011

I guess o_o

Besides the one combo by Alancitu that involves like tent --> uair chains up the entire three platforms --> big punch, all tent combos bore me to some extent.

Uair chains are much more cool looking/fun imo. Harder, probably.

SuPeRbOoM · Jan 19, 2011

yeah throwing in the tent is really fun

th3kuzinator · Jan 19, 2011

DK combos off that little lip on the left side of hyrule impress me as well.

ballin4life · Jan 19, 2011

Back throw off the tent (either direction) -> uair -> usmash is just the beginning of the possibilities

Battlecow · Jan 19, 2011

Good DK's are interesting for things other than the uair chains. Cart's is delightful, for example. And Frogles'.

The Star King · Jan 20, 2011

th3kuzinator said:
Besides the one combo by Alancitu that involves like tent --> uair chains up the entire three platforms --> big punch, all tent combos bore me to some extent.

Omg, I was totally planning that for a training combo, except ending with an up-angled F-smash. I keep wanting to do something for a combo, and finding out somebody else did it. ESPECIALLY PRINCE. He must have ruined like 10+ combo ideas for me.

ballin4life · Jan 20, 2011

Ending DK combos with Giant Punch is lame anyway. It's just not an interesting finisher at all. Up angled fsmash is much better.

The Star King · Jan 20, 2011

You can't imagine my rage when I saw the Ricky's TAS with direct egg -> egg.

I already had a combo with that recorded, which I could have uploaded any time, and I wanted to be the first with a double egg combo.

Prince is still the worst, though. Apparently I think like him in terms of combos.

tacos · Jan 20, 2011

hmn just read gavs post..............
What do you guys think, that could be added, about rage quits.
This may sound silly, but I think there should be a rule concerning this.....
So lets just say your playing a guy in a turney....... your pwnin him and suddenly he just quits the game(refuses to play with his opponent or presses L+R+B+A) wut would u guys think the punishment would be?
imo he should just be dq from the the whole bracket(maybe a warining first)

Sempiternity · Jan 20, 2011

Well, isn't a restart a forfeit, unless agreed upon by both players (picked the wrong stage or something)?

So they'd just lose that match, and you'd continue playing. Rage quit again, and would you look at that, you've won, best of three!

tacos · Jan 20, 2011

Sempiternity said:
Well, isn't a restart a forfeit, unless agreed upon by both players (picked the wrong stage or something)?

So they'd just lose that match, and you'd continue playing. Rage quit again, and would you look at that, you've won, best of three!

Yeah but thats not what I ment what would you think if the guy winning complains about something his opponent is doing and simply quits

I didn't mean it like that...... the point is playing...... and what if a guy against u just quits(in the middle of the match) don't u think that he deserves a dq or atleast a warning
I kinda get a little agitated when this happens

NovaSmash · Jan 20, 2011

\\$N@K3// said:
hmn just read gavs post..............
What do you guys think, that could be added, about rage quits.
This may sound silly, but I think there should be a rule concerning this.....
So lets just say your playing a guy in a turney....... your pwnin him and suddenly he just quits the game(refuses to play with his opponent or presses L+R+B+A) wut would u guys think the punishment would be?
imo he should just be dq from the the whole bracket(maybe a warining first)

um sorry i didnt rage quit one time, i reset after the match was over to save time, so u can go cry somewhere else, u didnt pwn anyone, i won more sets than u.

The real question is wat should u do when ur opponent has di that would be impossible to do on console.

tacos · Jan 20, 2011

NovaSmash said:
um sorry i didnt rage quit one time, i reset after the match was over to save time, so u can go cry somewhere else, u didnt pwn anyone, i won more sets than u.

The real question is wat should u do when ur opponent has di that would be impossible to do on console.

wha-
whats makes u think I was talking about you.......(which I wasn't)

Sempiternity · Jan 20, 2011

I don't follow. If he quits at any point during the match, he forfeits the match and you get the win. There's no need to DG or warn him since he's only hurting himself.

And why would the guy winning complain?

I understand you just wanna play, but if the other guy is hell-bent on restarting, then that's his problem, and there's nothing you can really do except give him the loss. Anybody who ragequits often is not fun to play with, so why would you want to prolong it?

Obviously, this would only apply during a tournament setting, because there's no sense in wasting time with unnecessary restarts. If the guy does this during friendlies, then he's just a d-bag who isn't fun to play with.

EDIT: RE: new posts: restarting at the very end to save time is okay, I guess, provided the match is actually over. Generally speaking, though, I would just let it finish. There's something satisfying about seeing that green ivy around the big 1.

ballin4life · Jan 20, 2011

Restarting should be an auto forfeit at any time during a tournament set. I don't care if the opponent is in the star KO animation and you are at the middle of Hyrule. Don't reset if it's a serious match.

Sempiternity · Jan 20, 2011

Yes, especially in a tournament setting. There's no reason to restart unless you're really pressed for time, in which there shouldn't even be a tournament in the first place.

tacos · Jan 20, 2011

Sempiternity said:
Yes, especially in a tournament setting. There's no reason to restart unless you're really pressed for time, in which there shouldn't even be a tournament in the first place.

ballin4life said:
Restarting should be an auto forfeit at any time during a tournament set. I don't care if the opponent is in the star KO animation and you are at the middle of Hyrule. Don't reset if it's a serious match.

This is stuff I wanted to hear....
btw I think you guys misunderstood me, ofcourse the guy ragequitting would get the loss, but what I ment to say was that.... lets say a guy does this multiple times during the turney(quits the match in mid game) imo I really think doing this should recieve a direct dq or a warning.

Sempiternity · Jan 20, 2011

Well I still say that if he keeps doing that, then by the logic that if he does it he loses, he won't last long in the tourney and will no longer be able to plague everybody with his ragequits.

NovaSmash · Jan 20, 2011

um Ive seen plenty of matches where someone has restarted after the match was over and these were REAL LIFE tournament matches. Also when I played mahie in a tournament he did the same thing.

asianaussie · Jan 20, 2011

It's just to save time...whatever, I'll put something in.

DMoogle · Jan 20, 2011

Yeah, restarting bugs me. I want my character to be clapped for, dammit!

King Funk · Jan 21, 2011

Who cares about restarting when the match is already over (aka character with no chance of coming back to the stage ; star KO on last stock)? It saves time. In fact, whether I win or lose, I always restart. Don't need to waste time on the dumb victory screen.

Doing it mid-game is indeed pretty bad but I still think it should only mean losing the round, not the whole set. It's not like you see it very often anyway.

ballin4life · Jan 21, 2011

I care. Because I've seen an instance where someone reset thinking that the had won when they really hadn't.

SuPeRbOoM · Jan 21, 2011

I'd call the win if they reset on me. Just saying.

King Funk · Jan 21, 2011

ballin4life said:
I care. Because I've seen an instance where someone reset thinking that the had won when they really hadn't.

In that case, then yes, they lose because it's not even guaranteed they won. (aka opponent hasn't used his double jump and recovery/star KO didn't happen yet)

dandan · Jan 21, 2011

i would never allow someone to reset when they win, if they lose, then reset as much as they want, but i do not want someone to tell me i had no chance to come back (even if i hadn't).

King Funk · Jan 21, 2011

You're just fishing for a win that way. I guess it's legit but when you're 100% sure you lost there's no way you'd be able to complain about the reset with a straight face.

Whatever though I'm fine with any rule. I just prefer to reset because it saves time and it affects less my concentration during the set.

ciaza · Jan 21, 2011

If makes you feel better Funk us Aussies reset nearly every match, at optimal times if possible, such as right when you hit a puff rest/falcon punch/mario upsmash/ w/e (assuming of course it's guaranteed to kill).

Funniest moment was when I tried to reset right when I was about to hit a Link UpB, but my hand slipped and I missed it but still reset. Needless to say it was an awkward moment and my opponent was a tad upset :D

JaimeHR · Jan 21, 2011

DMoogle said:
I want my character to be clapped for, dammit!

This. We need our character's ego to rise up to outer space by receiving the claps from our fallen enemies!

Ban reset pl0x xP

j/k

King Funk · Jan 21, 2011

When I was at BEAST (international Melee tournament in Sweden), I've seen a lot of mid match pauses due to various reasons and I've seen no one complain or try to get greedy with it. While all you guys may say you would complain if your opponent reseted in a match you were guaranteed to lose, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't irl. =)

ballin4life · Jan 21, 2011

ciaza said:
If makes you feel better Funk us Aussies reset nearly every match, at optimal times if possible, such as right when you hit a puff rest/falcon punch/mario upsmash/ w/e (assuming of course it's guaranteed to kill).

Funniest moment was when I tried to reset right when I was about to hit a Link UpB, but my hand slipped and I missed it but still reset. Needless to say it was an awkward moment and my opponent was a tad upset :D

This is exactly why it's a terrible idea to allow the winning player to reset, and what I was referring to with my last post.

Slippery slope.

Pink_Kirby · Jan 21, 2011

I saw this clip once where a jiggly (last stock, mid-low percent) landed a rest on a Ness (last stock, very high percent) on a cloud, and the cloud disappeared and the jiggly lost while ness was still in the star ko animation. That was obviously a friendly because it was on Yoshi's stage. I thought it was pretty hilarious.

IMO resetting is pretty pointless - it's only a few seconds saved anyways. In my book, resetting is equivalent to forfeiting - you haven't won until the game says you have, even if your opponent is in the star KO animation. Allowing the resetter to win is indeed a slippery slope towards abuses and arguments over technicalities.

EDIT: Found the video: 2:29 of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrsUCEL_WXU

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