@OS... wat?
Person "has gone missing", so if some one says "there might be an abductor" and leaves it at that, then it doesn't mean anything. The wording implies abductor, something important to mention, and I was not the first person to point it out.
So basically this goes back to nich saying he got roleblocked, and everyone saying he now legit looks town. I misread his role, and thought that once a game he could see what the ratio of town/anti-town in the whole game was. I did not get that this ability only showed the ratio of people on the wagon, so therefore, when everyone was saying that nich looked clear, it didnt make any sense to me. In my false assumption, where nich's ability showed the total town/anti-town ratio, it didn't seem like anyone would want to role block that, and people saying he was clear was confusing the hell outta me.
So then FF was exclaiming that Nich was likely town, which based on my misunderstanding of things did not make any sense. Usually IRL, when FF says things that don't make sense he is scum. I thiought (again because of my misreading of Nich's role) that what FF was saying was dumb, and he concluded all of the things I did not like that he said with "aw no vig with balls in game that is sad".
So I had a knee jerk reaction, "wait, there were only two deaths, he should know there could be a vig and no sk/other indie killing role, another statement of FF's that seems bad... must attack".
And then my stupidity commenced. Upon realizing that I misread Nich's role, I realized everything I said was ********. So then here is my post saying how I am dumb
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12148755&postcount=1200
So my statement,
It will be interesting to see if adum was abducted or jan'd but we'll figure that out as days go by. The only way there is a vig and no sk is if Adum was Jan'd and not abducted, unless the mafia kill was blocked. But I will agree with the current info it seems unlikely there is a "vig with balls" in the game.
was basically to show that I understood FF's "no vig with balls" comment was correct. Both Frozen and I had perviously mentioned that there was probably an abductor, and I mention it again in this statement because it is relevant in terms of discussing the potential night events. So I left out some logical steps figuring that people could make them on their own, but allow me to explain more fully.
FF had said there was likely no "vig with balls". We are assuming that a NK was not blocked. Although it is possible that an NK was blocked, if we assume there was an nk that was blocked, then it is less likely that one would deduce that there is no "vig with balls" in the game. The "no vig with balls statement" is fine, and although does not require that no NK's were blocked, the statement functions better on the assumption that no NK's were blocked. So lets look at the possibilities.
Adum was killed by mafia and janitored. Vult's ability required a sacrifice to res GLG. Therefore there was only one NK, and thus no vig with balls (and no sk).
Adum was abducted, and vult was murdered (by mafia). Again, no vig with balls (and no sk)
Adum was killed by mafia and janitored, vult was murdered. This is the situation where I invisioned that Vult could have been vig killed. If Vult was vig killed, there is no sk (again still assuming no NK's were blocked). If Vult was sk killed, then there is no vig with balls. In a large set up as this, it is unlikely there is no SK, simply as an issue of numbers and balance. It is therefore more likely that the kill in this given scenario was an SK kill rather than a vig kill, therefore meaning it is likely that there is no vig with balls in this game.
Just a little side note, vig is probably FF's favorite role for what it can offer the game (though I know he personally is a fan of bullet proof roles because he is NK'd so often). This is why he would probably almost be sad that less than 3 people died. This almost makes me think he is town. However, I think he is scum, I will cover that more in my next post. For now I thoroughly explaining myself for fear of otherwise having OS twist my words around.
I Understand that there was possibly an NK block at night, and that this throws off the "no vig with balls math". FF made the comment, and I was concurring that it was likely accurate, although it is possible that there is a "vig with balls" and an SK and that there was a blocked NK. In order to offer any explanation to agree I needed to mention a potential abductor. Again, given the wording, "has gone missing", abductor seems most likely. That is why I asked if anyone had been in a game xivii mod'd and whether he had used the wording "has gone missing" for jan'd roles. If this was a one time jan effect, then it won't happen tomorrow, and we will know it is unlikely there is an abductor in this game (although it will not be confirmed on day 3 cause there could be role blocking shenanigans).
As for my promised list of stances, I will have it completed in a few hours.
