Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

ChivalRuse · Mar 10, 2011

Eric says he sucks against Fox and Sheik, but is good against ICs. But he beats my Sheik and loses to my ICs.

My Fox just gives him the business. :smash:

DJ Nintendo · Mar 10, 2011

ETWIST51294 said:
WHO THEN?

Samus and Pikachu. I still play Bowser for friendlies and money matches though.

ChivalRuse · Mar 10, 2011

What happened to the Doc, man?

DJ Nintendo · Mar 10, 2011

I use Doc in tournament against Jiggs and once in a while against Samus if I feel like it. Although for Samus I usually go another character and maybe even Samus ditto. Playing IHSB in dittos at Pound 5 was fun.

Alukard · Mar 10, 2011

LMFAOOO at ur avatar scar ... now i know it will be funnier if i knew what it was about!?

Windrose · Mar 10, 2011

KirbyKaze said:
So long as you hit the soft Knee, the Uair is usually guaranteed. Fairly regardless of DI. Sometimes the jump timing differs with DI but yeah.

If they DI away, they can probably get out at like 70%+ (depends on character) but if you forgo the Uair in those cases then you can just grab the edge and work from there pretty effectively.

To literally do it, you just fall on them with the soft Knee in some way (usually from a FJ or SH, but you can run off and do it too) and then DJ Uair after passing through them. Not sure how to point out the situations where it works/doesn't work; it's usually fairly clear when it will work. Mostly good vs offstage recoveries that take time to work and with low defense.

Ty ty!

I've been trying to use it more but i find that I can't make it back to the stage sometimes. Am I supposed to DJ towards the stage or towards the opponent?

Is there any good way to practice this against a computer in training mode? xD

Da Shuffla · Mar 10, 2011

Alukard said:
LMFAOOO at ur avatar scar ... now i know it will be funnier if i knew what it was about!?

http://redlettermedia.com/

Episode 3, Part 1.

~ 7:30

Playing vs. Falco sucks.

If you grab him, kill him.

Walt · Mar 10, 2011

Windrose said:
I notice a lot of people get banned very often, repeatedly on smashboards.

PS: how do you do the soft knee-->uair gimp as falcon? And when do you know you can do it?

You can do it pretty much guaranteed anytime a spacie jumps to being level with the stage or a little above it or below it. So if they DJ and want to illusion you react to the DJ and just fly out there with a knee, you'll hit them during the illusion start up and you doublejump uair. If they up+b then obviously are just going to be floating for a couple seconds while they get knee > uair'd. Also they will normally DI in since they will be pressing side+b or aiming up+b towards the stage. So just react to the DJ and hit them.

Deleted member · Mar 11, 2011

im back

this time im going to be extremely careful not to get infracted

till i can get more than 2 infraction points

Divinokage · Mar 11, 2011

s2j said:
im back

this time im going to be extremely careful not to get infracted

till i can get more than 2 infraction points

Are you going to Genesis 2? I want to play you.

Shroomed · Mar 11, 2011

johnny's goin cuz he's 6 hours away by car and i will drive down and stab him if he doesn't

Divinokage · Mar 11, 2011

Shroomed said:
johnny's goin cuz he's 6 hours away by car and i will drive down and stab him if he doesn't

Good and then we can play again. =P

Scar · Mar 11, 2011

s2j said:
im back

this time im going to be extremely careful not to get infracted

till i can get more than 2 infraction points

ya srsly dude

stick around lol we like you here

Mokumo · Mar 11, 2011

Windrose said:
Ty ty!

I've been trying to use it more but i find that I can't make it back to the stage sometimes. Am I supposed to DJ towards the stage or towards the opponent?

Is there any good way to practice this against a computer in training mode? xD

yes. it's an easy combo after a knee that hits them off stage. usually if a double knee doesnt work and you only get the weak knee you can combo into the uair most of the time.

BigD!!! · Mar 11, 2011

one time i played kels and like 3 times in the match he DI'd my weak knee down and away, i couldnt land the uair without killing myself so i missed it, then he got back to the stage before me and did an easy edgeguard

that was like a year ago though and it hasnt happened to me since, maybe he was just feelin it that day

linkoninja · Mar 11, 2011

what do you guys think about Reverse-Knee edgeguard. It seems like only done for flashiness and it isn't really productive

Mokumo · Mar 11, 2011

it's very productive if you do it from a ledgehop and your opponent lands from their up B within range

Juggleguy · Mar 11, 2011

The reverse knee edgeguard is pretty useful, mainly because you can avoid getting punished if you miss/overextend by immediately double jump sweetspotting the ledge.

Brookman · Mar 11, 2011

LOVE the reverse knee edge guard. Who ever came up with that deserves a medal.

Walt · Mar 11, 2011

Reverse knee edgeguard is great. It's useful on all the top characters cept jiggs and peach. It is most realistic if they try to recover onto the stage. It is the second to last thing sheiks want when they are forced to up+b unto the stage, the last thing they want it stomp to reverse knee. And if you see fox/falco charging up+b and guess they are going on the stage, drop off edge > regrab > ledgehop invincible reverse knee is usually a stock. It is mostly used against sheik and in falcon dittos.

Brookman · Mar 11, 2011

It's definitely mostly used vs. fox and falco.
>__________>

vs. sheik/falcon you don't need to be invincible.

CaptainNanD0 · Mar 11, 2011

reverse knee is **** to edgeguard, you can knee from the ledge and still grab ledge... that's ****, i think it's a good way to hit the reverse

CorteX · Mar 11, 2011

Thanks for the input guys :D
I was able to try some of the stuff posted today and wavedashing out of it and following up with a gentleman or grab seemed to work some of the time

However, what' s up with this lightshielding? I honestly only use it against marth for edgehogging. So how exactly does this work? You basically lightshield and tilt your analog stick the way you want to go?
Also, why is tilting your shield so important in this matchup? Does it somehow affect the trajectory you go after your shield gets hit?

I need to step up my shielding game..

Divinokage · Mar 11, 2011

Ya no one DIs the reverse knee, I used it a lot for plenty of situations. Stomp to reverse knee close to the ledge is like the best option ever at 80-100, even if DI the guy is dead for sure.

ETWIST51294 · Mar 12, 2011

Guys...

...guys...

pivot gentleman = Swag Jabbin'

Aussierob123 · Mar 12, 2011

**** Falco, seriously. What a **** of a character ffs.

I just run out of ideas lol I don't think I'm good enough to beat a good Falco, need to be able to techchase death combo like a king.

Roneblaster · Mar 12, 2011

Falco is too gay. <3 johnny, welcome back.

Da Shuffla · Mar 12, 2011

CorteX said:
Thanks for the input guys :D
I was able to try some of the stuff posted today and wavedashing out of it and following up with a gentleman or grab seemed to work some of the time
However, what' s up with this lightshielding? I honestly only use it against marth for edgehogging. So how exactly does this work? You basically lightshield and tilt your analog stick the way you want to go?
Also, why is tilting your shield so important in this matchup? Does it somehow affect the trajectory you go after your shield gets hit?

I need to step up my shielding game..

People tilt their shield in order to defend a specific part of the body. Say you are on a platform below a Marth(make sure this never happens to you). You know he's going to try, say, and Utilt. It does no good to just put up your shield, even if it does, it won't be good for that long. Your head does not need to be covered, because Marth's sword isn't going to be near it. Many players in this situation would tilt their shield down to give their feet better defense.

tl;dr - Tilt the shield to get better defense for a certain area.

Spekkio Master of War · Mar 12, 2011

ya I need to start light shielding like a pro. And start WDing out of light shields like a pro

Walt · Mar 12, 2011

I'm really bad at WD OoS for some reason, but I love light shield. Light shield on platform during invincible respawn is SUPER good. Especially if you can shield drop it to dodge grabs.

GooeyBanana · Mar 12, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwi17ImItR4&feature=feedu

Ok, for some reason I have not been able to grasp this DI concept for awhile now, so I'll use this video as an example.

0:43, Darkrain gets ftilted after running into Sheik. I'm assuming he was going to jc grab him, but still, he DI'd that ftilt really well. I would guess that he's doing two things in one in this scenario, and that would be jc grabbing and DI'ing away since it won't really mess anything up, correct? Do people do this when their aerials are beat too? And how in the eff do people react so fast to jabs >_<? I swear, if I could DI Sheik's jabs and ftilts better, I would love that matchup like 10x more

SuperMatt · Mar 12, 2011

i must admit that was strange

he must have seen that he was going to be tilted so he held away, although idk why he wouldn't shield in that case

TemPesT- · Mar 12, 2011

perhaps he was trying to do some sort of dash dance...??

idk probably not tho, i think he was past the initial foxtrot dash animation anyways.

Mokumo · Mar 12, 2011

i think a big reason why is because he just got Ftilted like less than a second before then. if you notice, he didn't DI that away very well at all, but the platform/getup attack saved him. after getting hit by it already darkrain was already sort of conditioned to it enough to expect another one. getting ftilted again would be the first thing on my mind if I managed to escape from a ridiculously gay combo and go for a grab.

so i think because he was intuitively reacting to it, he was able to DI right away after he got hit by it.

Zoler · Mar 12, 2011

I always get ***** by reverse knee when I recover as sheik

ETWIST51294 · Mar 12, 2011

And we get touched and we die. Which would you rather have?

jugfingers · Mar 12, 2011

ETWIST51294 said:
And we get touched and we die. Which would you rather have?

haha, first thing I see when I come the falcon boards..

I remember back in the golden days of the ness boards back in 05-06 there was a cult of ness players(anyone who mained ness)

who believed that ness was the best character in the game, we believed in his potential as a tourney viable character due to the fact that he could shoot fire out of his mind...among other things.

our faith was not deterred by...

...".tournament results"...

Hax just beat one of the best, arguably the best sheik in the world

and falcon mains are still johning about matchups.

....ha!

Walt · Mar 12, 2011

Admittedly Amsah is REALLY bad at the Falcon match up. Like, he didn't CC anything and missed a lot of edgeguards. Also he was fighting Hax, who probably does the Sheik MU as Falcon better than anyone else in the world.

ETWIST51294 · Mar 12, 2011

I just said it because a Sheik is complaining about falcon. That's like falcons complaing about Peach or some ****. lol

My main training partner plays sheik and I'm pretty good at the mu and I find ****** the **** out of her at times fun.

harriettheguy · Mar 12, 2011

wavedash forward roll backwards

dash and roll backwards

roll--> roll

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