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KGD - The Kewkky Thread! - Kirby's Wasteland: Dead Social
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A1lion835
Smash Champion
"Sage" Kewkky, I think it's unwise for you to go parading about like you have recently. I may be the only one, but I know that you went back in time to create JoWii's account and absorb the androids that Trunks destroyed in your future. 1200
Sage JoWii
Smash Champion
@T1mmy- Right?! It's terrible. It's so lame. I don't really care though.
Hey T1mmy, can we have a second and be real with each other.
How long have you played Brawl? What hi-mid to top level players do you play regularly? What was the last major tournament you went to? How often do you go to tournaments? Why do you try and undo what I try so hard to build?
I go in the Fox boards with my moderately decent Fox experience (Zzeton, Ozzz) , along with my experience maining both characters, and let them know what I have tried IRL, against actual Fox mains mid- to top-level, mid match in order to beat Foxes. I've played Foxes @ WHOBO spamming the tactics I preach in order to prove their effectiveness, regardless of whether I actually won solely dependant on those tactics. And you go in there with your frame data and comparisons trying to look at it from some theorycrafting standpoint like that's how a MU is played?
The problem with theorycrafting is that you can outline every situation, with all the possible situational options, but if the matchup is won by CGing someone to death, and how that person lands a CG, OR crouching until an approach, and coming out on top from that first approach, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER THEORY AND DATA. Sure you can let it be known, but it doesn't predicate the difficulty of a MU.
If Fox/Kirby is solely dependent on how Fox approaches a crouched Kirby in order to gain the lead, then it doesn't matter who wins in the air or what tilt beats what smash. All that matters is how is Fox going to approach a crouched Kirby, and with what, and how Kirby is going to respond to the approach. Sure, if Fox gets the lead, we Kirbies need to know what options we have to regain a lead; or if Kirby gets a lead, you reset and go back to 'how is Fox going to approach...'. But spamming data doesn't help anyone.
If Fox gets the lead, you better hope you striked and banned FD, and strike SD or you'll have to bank of a hard read to regain the lead if Fox camps. But if you know how to gain the lead from the first approach exchange, where Kirby has the upperhand due to his higher damageoutput per exchange, then Fox is ****ed worse than Kirby is.
If you seriously tthink you'll lose the first exchange then mindgame an inhale.
Hey T1mmy, can we have a second and be real with each other.
How long have you played Brawl? What hi-mid to top level players do you play regularly? What was the last major tournament you went to? How often do you go to tournaments? Why do you try and undo what I try so hard to build?
I go in the Fox boards with my moderately decent Fox experience (Zzeton, Ozzz) , along with my experience maining both characters, and let them know what I have tried IRL, against actual Fox mains mid- to top-level, mid match in order to beat Foxes. I've played Foxes @ WHOBO spamming the tactics I preach in order to prove their effectiveness, regardless of whether I actually won solely dependant on those tactics. And you go in there with your frame data and comparisons trying to look at it from some theorycrafting standpoint like that's how a MU is played?
The problem with theorycrafting is that you can outline every situation, with all the possible situational options, but if the matchup is won by CGing someone to death, and how that person lands a CG, OR crouching until an approach, and coming out on top from that first approach, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER THEORY AND DATA. Sure you can let it be known, but it doesn't predicate the difficulty of a MU.
If Fox/Kirby is solely dependent on how Fox approaches a crouched Kirby in order to gain the lead, then it doesn't matter who wins in the air or what tilt beats what smash. All that matters is how is Fox going to approach a crouched Kirby, and with what, and how Kirby is going to respond to the approach. Sure, if Fox gets the lead, we Kirbies need to know what options we have to regain a lead; or if Kirby gets a lead, you reset and go back to 'how is Fox going to approach...'. But spamming data doesn't help anyone.
If Fox gets the lead, you better hope you striked and banned FD, and strike SD or you'll have to bank of a hard read to regain the lead if Fox camps. But if you know how to gain the lead from the first approach exchange, where Kirby has the upperhand due to his higher damageoutput per exchange, then Fox is ****ed worse than Kirby is.
If you seriously tthink you'll lose the first exchange then mindgame an inhale.
~Shao~
Smash Ace
Twinkie, your sig is awezum
Johnny Deadshot
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Sup. I'm the new Kirby. I know how to play to win, and I've been playing this game since it came out.
I'll be around a bit while I read through stuff. Later.
I'll be around a bit while I read through stuff. Later.
MikeKirby
OTL Winrar
I remember seeing T!mMy's Melee Kirby videos over and over and over again. They were so much fun to see. If I remember correctly, T!mMy was one of the first to play Brawl when they were doing a pre-release showing somewhere in Cali. I think...
A1lion835
Smash Champion
The mods here sure take not posting a question in the Q/A thread pretty seriously.
t1mmy had no friends in Melee.
I first played Brawl in October 18 - 21, 2007. I couldn't start playing more regularly until the end of January 2008 when I got the Japanese release. I've been entering tournaments regularly since then, mostly along the length of the West Coast. I used to go to NorCal and SoCal at least once a month - quite a feat considering it's more than 1,000 miles round trip from here to San Fran and about double that to get to Los Angeles.
Aside from that, I go up to the Seattle area to play with Washington smashers (and sometimes West Canada). There are only a couple "hi-level" players I get to play with "regularly" and too many mid-level players to bother mentioning. I've pretty much played everyone good on the West Coast at this point and time, and even a good number of players from the East Coast. I could name-drop, but it's not necessary.
I actually loathe the run-of-the-mill theorycrafting because it usually boils down to pointless dribble. When writing detailed responses with forum posts, the best you can do is state facts and everything beyond that is personal opinions or playstyle. The truth of the matter is, in an actual match, you just do whatever works.
Here's what I do when I make posts:
I answer questions. I give advice. I state personal opinions. I just try to do my best.
Is this going to become a Fox vs Kirby discussion?
MK26
Smash Master
i also read it as street fighter at first
lool epic post combo
does it still count as a jv4 if he hit nana?
i see evvvverythingggg
Yes, yes it does.
MikeKirby
OTL Winrar
What DOES JV stand for...?
Been hearing it for years without knowing what it stood for. I know WHAT it is but, yeah...
Been hearing it for years without knowing what it stood for. I know WHAT it is but, yeah...
A1lion835
Smash Champion
Lord Viper
SS Rank
I just played a good amount of people that use Ice Climbers through the week finally. I have to say... I really don't like how you have to make sure they do a move for Kirby to attack, or make sure they defend a lot to make their shield smaller. It makes things frustrating to fight them because of the feared chain grabs. )= ★
MikeKirby
OTL Winrar
So guys, question, how many of you play with rumble on? Personally, I play worse with it off... I just gotta feel my characters steps and reaction. Gotta feel that 1-on-1 bond thing going. 
A lot of players don't like rumble on because it distracts them. Some players like it on because it's a tactile part of the game. I don't change the settings for rumble and just play with whatever the game is set to.
MK26
Smash Master
That's what I've heard, but recently i read somewhere that jv3x3 (aka the admin now known as MLG_JV) was the origin of the jv x-stock...
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
I honestly never notice it either way.So guys, question, how many of you play with rumble on? Personally, I play worse with it off... I just gotta feel my characters steps and reaction. Gotta feel that 1-on-1 bond thing going.
On a side note, in case you guys are interested, finally found an apartment and should hopefully move in Thursday if all goes well. So yeah, hopefully you guys should start seeing me around again starting next week.
Triple R
Smash Lord
I don't really mind rumble on or off for Brawl. It never really bothers me.
thrillagorilla
Smash Ace
WOOT! Glad to hear it.
MK26
Smash Master
[size=+3]COMPREHENSIVE KIRBY FRAME DATA COURTESY OF DANTARION[/size]
(the way frames are read by the game files means you have to interpret each of the frame numbers)
(the way frames are read by the game files means you have to interpret each of the frame numbers)
Sage JoWii
Smash Champion
>_> That chart of info is so foreign in context delivery that I've abandoned all hope of comprehension.
A1lion835
Smash Champion
Same. Beyond attempting to understand the logic behind "361 degrees," I do not understand the abbreviations or...really anything.
Sage JoWii
Smash Champion
-__- It literally hurts to not rage and troll this chart and MK26.
Someone (Probably our data gnome T1mmy) decipher that chart and make it worth the 0s and 1s it's made of.
Someone (Probably our data gnome T1mmy) decipher that chart and make it worth the 0s and 1s it's made of.
Triple R
Smash Lord
Yeah, my first glimpse at it was very overwhelming. I didn't bother to understand it. Seemed like too much work.
MK26
Smash Master
damn you psa-illiterate people
and fyi attacks with sngle 361 hit at at ~35 degree angle and are the only attacks in the game that can cause you to trip
and fyi attacks with sngle 361 hit at at ~35 degree angle and are the only attacks in the game that can cause you to trip
~Shao~
Smash Ace
Good **** fromunda
On a side note, I'm trying to get a job, hopefully at my university. Not that easy... wish me luck
On a side note, I'm trying to get a job, hopefully at my university. Not that easy... wish me luck
A1lion835
Smash Champion
@MK26: I still don't understand.
MikeKirby
OTL Winrar
If I had a nickel for every time I saw some PSA frame data I'd have $1.93.
MK26
Smash Master
@a1: angle 361 is psa shorthand for "it hits you at a 35 degree angle and can cause you to trip"
whats there not to get?
whats there not to get?
A1lion835
Smash Champion
There are lots of rows and columns with abbreviated headings and random values that I do not understand. My sleep-deprived brain dimly acknowledges that it should be comprehensible, and also that I have a Bio test to study for anyway and should not use time trying to figure anything out.
(Procrastination is my game though, so don't feel bad)
(Procrastination is my game though, so don't feel bad)
MK26
Smash Master
ah
i thought the only thing you didnt get was angle 361
i thought the only thing you didnt get was angle 361
The 'Sakurai Angle'. XD
I've already 'translated' most of that info for you guys. The stuff that's unintelligible is the stuff that's not very practical for gamers, but for people who like to analyze things it could be considered 'fun' data.
BKB (BaseKnockBack) is a good example of this. For instance, looking at "Attack 11, BKB 8" it shows that all instances of HitBoxes have... well, very little base knockback at any given percent.
I think the format is exceptionally well done.
I've already 'translated' most of that info for you guys. The stuff that's unintelligible is the stuff that's not very practical for gamers, but for people who like to analyze things it could be considered 'fun' data.
BKB (BaseKnockBack) is a good example of this. For instance, looking at "Attack 11, BKB 8" it shows that all instances of HitBoxes have... well, very little base knockback at any given percent.
I think the format is exceptionally well done.
A1lion835
Smash Champion
What? Where?
He's a troll, but he seems to know a lot about what he's talking about. Is the last sentence sarcastic or not...?t!MmY said:
...****, I don't know what to believe anymore.
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
It's not really short-hand if it involves 3 additional posts of explanation.
MK26
Smash Master
it doesnt require 3 additional posts of information if you understand it...