GooeyBanana
Smash Lord
So...who has effectively worked dash cancel gentlemans into their Falcon game 
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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
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Jeapie
Smash Journeyman
Im currently hanging out with some smashers at Ace to spend the night here.
We just had a tournament here.
Results: 1 Amsah 2 Jeapie 3 Remen 4 Faab
I have to keep in touch with my fellow falcons =)
trying to upload vids soon on Northernsmash!
We just had a tournament here.
Results: 1 Amsah 2 Jeapie 3 Remen 4 Faab
I have to keep in touch with my fellow falcons =)
trying to upload vids soon on Northernsmash!
dash cancel? You mean. . . you have to leave the initial dash? That must suck.So...who has effectively worked dash cancel gentlemans into their Falcon game
New page: When do you guys use side b and how do you decide when to use it vs. grab or nair or etc. ???!
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
Sinji
Smash Master
I use side b during tech preferbly in the middle of the stage.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
@thenewguy all of falcons aerials can lead into knee with the appropriate di and %
Thanks for the advice.
GooeyBanana
Smash Lord
Tooooo much serious.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
you side b when it will lead to a knee or WoF.
or for tech chasing.
or for tech chasing.
hubble
Smash Ace
uthrow raptor uair just feels right
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Why uair when you can knee?
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
More damage to kill with the knee.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
What if they DI upair, no more knee.
hubble
Smash Ace
so uair again and punish the tech
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Falcon players got balls, we take that risk for the sake of sexy. 
and what Hubble said.
and what Hubble said.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Punish no tech with uair? wtf? lol. By that time hell be close to the ledge, knee damn it!!
hubble
Smash Ace
you misunderstood my post but theorycrafting is ****ing stupid so i dont care to elaborate
lets just roll a fat one next time we're at the same tournament instead
lets just roll a fat one next time we're at the same tournament instead
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Fine.. We'll do that. =P
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
late upair scoop off the ground -> fast upair -> knee.
hax does that **** all the time, its ****ing awesome.
hax does that **** all the time, its ****ing awesome.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
upair on no tech is master race
It is actually really easy, like Kage said. You just get used to it. See a green flash->****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3yEYLvTtQo
Yes, there are tons of moves, all of which we'd be willing to talk about. If you want to upload a video in the Video Critique Thread that'd be a great place to start.
But overall, yes, there's tons of options: uthrow->knee, dthrow->knee, uair->knee, nair->knee, knee->knee, ftilt->knee, bair->knee, dair->knee...
Are you starting to get the idea?
But more or less, I need a more precise question to help you
I rarely use sideb. I do it mostly out of feeling, like if someone has a habit of teching away, rather than in a combo.
Side b is really risky and a lot of people don't use it because of that, and would much rather JC grab or nair. Most of Falcon's options are interchangeable in any given situation, you just need to know what's the best option at the moment.
D
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i am the master of freaking low up-airs to punish missed techs
my thoughts though:
if you up-throw and jump at where their body lands at the right moment, you can react and do a knee if they don't tech and knee them as their body flops around
if you notice right away that they tech fast fall and chase
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metagame tactic:
most spacies know the silentspectre, where falcon up-throws, stands still and they think he isn't going to cover tech in place
but he does and they tech in place and get *****
so, if spacies know about that and you jump at them after up-throw they will 100% not miss tech/ tech in place unless they are a kookster
my thoughts though:
if you up-throw and jump at where their body lands at the right moment, you can react and do a knee if they don't tech and knee them as their body flops around
if you notice right away that they tech fast fall and chase
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metagame tactic:
most spacies know the silentspectre, where falcon up-throws, stands still and they think he isn't going to cover tech in place
but he does and they tech in place and get *****
so, if spacies know about that and you jump at them after up-throw they will 100% not miss tech/ tech in place unless they are a kookster
Dude, I dunno where you're from s2j, but my metagame is way different over here in new england.
I mean, just saying.
UNLESS! Unless you are talking about national bracket meta **** - but then you might as well be referring to specific players . . . .then again, why aren't you doing that in the first place???
Exactly how many people have you tested your theory on? It is a theory, it can be tested. . . so???
S2J, I'd like to here your input on my side b question. More specifically, if you have any success using it vs. space animal shffling. The timing (if it exists) would be fairly strict (~10 frames with l cancel into jump). If you don't use it in this way how else do you attempt to use it (if at all).
Anyone interested can feel free to address these ideas - the more input the better, basically.
I very generally feel like down air is better though they obviously shine in their own ways.
/end semi-rant
I mean, just saying.
UNLESS! Unless you are talking about national bracket meta **** - but then you might as well be referring to specific players . . . .then again, why aren't you doing that in the first place???
Exactly how many people have you tested your theory on? It is a theory, it can be tested. . . so???
S2J, I'd like to here your input on my side b question. More specifically, if you have any success using it vs. space animal shffling. The timing (if it exists) would be fairly strict (~10 frames with l cancel into jump). If you don't use it in this way how else do you attempt to use it (if at all).
Anyone interested can feel free to address these ideas - the more input the better, basically.
I very generally feel like down air is better though they obviously shine in their own ways.
/end semi-rant
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
S2Js in Cali.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
You said you didn't know where he was from, so I posted where he was from.
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Deleted member
Guest
i'm a conservative falcon main, low risk medium reward
i know when to go stupidly crazy though and go for off stage quadruple knees
so i don't like side-b ing outside of tech chases
i'm really not the right guy to ask although i will still occasionally side-b when the time is right
worthless answer loool
but side-bing a spacey randomly in neutral spots sound gawd awful
Walt
Smash Ace
I randomly side-b spacies in neutral spots and every time I do I'm like "why did I do that I'm so stupid". Actually I find in matches where I use side-b less the better I do, I usually only do it when I'm scared, it's guaranteed, or against marth.
Speaking of being scared: played terribly at Is This Tournament yesterday. Didn't get out of pools and I had closer games against SFAT than some random samus just because I know him. Oh well, gotta just get over that. Got 5th in teams with Mooninite though.
Speaking of being scared: played terribly at Is This Tournament yesterday. Didn't get out of pools and I had closer games against SFAT than some random samus just because I know him. Oh well, gotta just get over that. Got 5th in teams with Mooninite though.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
Buffer roll is the best option against good ppl.
jetfour
Smash Journeyman
Versus Falco you just gotta outspace him and not let him make you put up your shield in the first place.
If the Falco's not that good, just keep shielding until after he shines or messes up then stomp him.
If the Falco's not that good, just keep shielding until after he shines or messes up then stomp him.
GooeyBanana
Smash Lord
Did anyone else enjoy Hax's performance in WF against Jman at No Johns? May have been due to the resin, but I learned at least 3 new things from that set.
Mokumo
Smash Ace
resin hits are gross
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
They're meh, I like blowing resin into a sock, it looks cool.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
rofl resin hits are ****ing homeless stoner status
step it up dave
step it up dave
GooeyBanana
Smash Lord
I didn't mean resin hits, and plus I was drunk when I posted that >_< I think I've done like one resin hit my whole life honestly xD It's been a blunt kind of weekend tbh.
Anyways, drunk or not, I was mad impressed by Hax, as I always am =P I've officially switched to electric blue Falcon.
Anyways, drunk or not, I was mad impressed by Hax, as I always am =P I've officially switched to electric blue Falcon.
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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I thought you meant resin as in like ... your Falcon was rusty <_<
I guess I don't smoke so ... >_>
Can't decide what color Falcon to play ... Blood Falcon just seems less good compared to pink
I'll probably go with neutral from now on
I think the actual reason is Blood Falcon's feet are blue so I can't see his Nairs as well =____=
I guess I don't smoke so ... >_>
Can't decide what color Falcon to play ... Blood Falcon just seems less good compared to pink
I'll probably go with neutral from now on
I think the actual reason is Blood Falcon's feet are blue so I can't see his Nairs as well =____=
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Blood falcons feet look purple to me.
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Guest
Samus is a straight up knowledge matchup and is really easy once you figure out what to do, what is free, etc. i feel that the only reason falcons lose is not because they are worse but because they don't know the matchup
general gameplan is get underneath them and aerial them to death, samus in the air is abysmal
blocked samus d-smash = free knee
blocked up-b = full hop knee
get hit by up-b DI up really hard and fastfall and if there is a platform almost all Samuses will fall through it, only the few good samuses edgecancel plats to avoid punishment
up-throw early, hope they don't DI, up-air 8x
easy to pressure samus if you space well, be wary if they are good at crouch cancelling at early percents although you can sometimes bait out crouch cancel d-smash if you up-air and shield really quick
don't do silly approaches vs good samuses who will d-smash you at the edge and edgeguard you till you die
edgeguarding: grab edge, if they do not sweetspot grapple you get a free knee as they come up
you can jump at their bombs and mess them up really hard or knee right when the 2nd bomb explodes while they are bomb jumping
falcon wins 70-30 if ordinary samus
if abusive, ghey defensive samus then 60-40
ryankam10
Smash Journeyman
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