MDL0 files from Non-Brawl games

ForOhFor Error · Apr 12, 2011

BTW, my new model import fixer is done!
It does everything the existing fixer programs (all 3 of them) do, except to all MDL0s in the input BRRES.
Also, it's all in one program.
Get it here:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=22640.0

sinistersnakesennin · Apr 13, 2011

ForOhFor Error said:
BTW, my new model import fixer is done!
It does everything the existing fixer programs (all 3 of them) do, except to all MDL0s in the input BRRES.
Also, it's all in one program.
Get it here:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=22640.0

What are the odds that I would need this YESTERDAY and you would post it TODAY.

Too ****ing great.

ForOhFor Error · Apr 13, 2011

XD
You're welcome.

RandomTBush · Apr 13, 2011

Added your BRRES/MDL0-related Python scripts to the front page. Worked like a charm for the things I tried out (extracting the model files from Dragon Ball's BIN files, hexing the ones from Mario Sports Mix, etc.).

ForOhFor Error · Apr 13, 2011

Thanks :D
It's also helpful for Okami models.

Judas · Apr 14, 2011

RandomTBush, have you watched your private messages? I had some questions for you, that are in relation with this topic.... I hope it doesn't disturb you...

Anyway, ForOhError, I tried your program, it is very useful! Thank you!

sinistersnakesennin · Apr 15, 2011

Any chance you could get it to figure out animations as well? Or is that a lost cause. Its keeping me from importing some NSMBW stuff (I want to use the original animations).

gabrielwoj · Apr 15, 2011

Judas said:
RandomTBush, have you watched your private messages? I had some questions for you, that are in relation with this topic.... I hope it doesn't disturb you...

Anyway, ForOhError, I tried your program, it is very useful! Thank you!

I also sent one for you too RTB...

ForOhFor Error · Apr 15, 2011

sinistersnakesennin said:
Any chance you could get it to figure out animations as well? Or is that a lost cause. Its keeping me from importing some NSMBW stuff (I want to use the original animations).

If someone could figure out how to manually hex them, and post steps on how to do it....

sinistersnakesennin · Apr 16, 2011

For those of you curious, I'm interested in importing these two stages.

I have everything for the first one and just need to import the animations and as for the 2nd one, I cant seem to find the models or textures anywhere. I'm starting to suspect that I have to find all the pieces separately and put it together myself.

mario6420072 · Apr 16, 2011

sinistersnakesennin said:
Any chance you could get it to figure out animations as well? Or is that a lost cause. Its keeping me from importing some NSMBW stuff (I want to use the original animations).

Maybe this is the thing that you need: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9531362&postcount=1343

a - Click on the Chr0 animation yo want to preview and yo will see four fields: FrameCount, Unknown1, Unknown2, Unknown3. Fill unknown1, 2 and 3 with 0 (although sometimes the field Unknown2 can be filled with 1 when you are working on animated stages for instance) and fill the FrameCount field with a high number (500 for example). Give a name to the animation (rename it as you want) and know go to the model (.mdl0), right click --> preview
b - See when the animation ends. You can look a bone that changes constantly, you can note this because when a animation ends this bone have almost all his parameters (X, Y, Z translation, etc) in yellow and reduce the FrameCount to the final frame number (in case of Blue Spiny Shell the end is frame 60).

This is a way to port Chr0 animations from another games

Mario & Sonic Guy · Apr 16, 2011

sinistersnakesennin said:
For those of you curious, I'm interested in importing these two stages.

I have everything for the first one and just need to import the animations and as for the 2nd one, I cant seem to find the models or textures anywhere. I'm starting to suspect that I have to find all the pieces separately and put it together myself.

The NSMB Wii levels are not actual models. They're actually tilesets (which is why it's easy to make custom levels for that game), but the sprites themselves do have models.

sinistersnakesennin · Apr 16, 2011

Mario_and_Sonic_Guy said:
The NSMB Wii levels are not actual models. They're actually tilesets (which is why it's easy to make custom levels for that game), but the sprites themselves do have models.

What about the background of the Bowser stage? That's definitely not a a sprite...

sinistersnakesennin · Apr 16, 2011

mario6420072 said:
Maybe this is the thing that you need: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9531362&postcount=1343

a - Click on the Chr0 animation yo want to preview and yo will see four fields: FrameCount, Unknown1, Unknown2, Unknown3. Fill unknown1, 2 and 3 with 0 (although sometimes the field Unknown2 can be filled with 1 when you are working on animated stages for instance) and fill the FrameCount field with a high number (500 for example). Give a name to the animation (rename it as you want) and know go to the model (.mdl0), right click --> preview
b - See when the animation ends. You can look a bone that changes constantly, you can note this because when a animation ends this bone have almost all his parameters (X, Y, Z translation, etc) in yellow and reduce the FrameCount to the final frame number (in case of Blue Spiny Shell the end is frame 60).

This is a way to port Chr0 animations from another games

I know about this method. I ported a bunch of Pokemon from Pokepark Wii over brawls Pokemon, animations and all. Its NSMBW's animations that are not cooperating. Also, none of the animations are named, and when you have multiple models in a brres, figuring out which animation belongs to which can be a tedious pain.

Mario & Sonic Guy · Apr 16, 2011

sinistersnakesennin said:
What about the background of the Bowser stage? That's definitely not a a sprite...

The backgrounds are actual models. It's only the levels themselves that aren't actual models.

Ronaldmcdonald · Apr 16, 2011

Okay so I have TMNT-SU, Windows 7, Dolphin and Process Memory Dumper. I can run the game. I extracted the .sav as well. If I ask task manager to perform a dump it says success but doesnt actually save it anywhere. Dolphin also doesnt show up when I try with Process Memory Dumper. Anyone know how I can extract the stuff?

RandomTBush · Apr 16, 2011

Ronaldmcdonald said:
Okay so I have TMNT-SU, Windows 7, Dolphin and Process Memory Dumper. I can run the game. I extracted the .sav as well. If I ask task manager to perform a dump it says success but doesnt actually save it anywhere. Dolphin also doesnt show up when I try with Process Memory Dumper. Anyone know how I can extract the stuff?

If you're using Windows 7, you can actually just open up the Task Manager, right-click on the program and dump the memory from there.

If that still doesn't work, just let me know what you need from the game and I'll send it to you -- I've got all of the characters and stages extracted.

Judas said:
RandomTBush, have you watched your private messages? I had some questions for you, that are in relation with this topic.... I hope it doesn't disturb you...

Anyway, ForOhError, I tried your program, it is very useful! Thank you!

gabrielwoj said:
I also sent one for you too RTB...

I should really get around to answering my PMs.

Ronaldmcdonald · Apr 16, 2011

RandomTBush said:
If you're using Windows 7, you can actually just open up the Task Manager, right-click on the program and dump the memory from there.

If that still doesn't work, just let me know what you need from the game and I'll send it to you -- I've got all of the characters and stages extracted.

I am using windows 7. When I do this it says it created a dump file (Dolphin.dmp) but when I search it doesnt come up. And I actually like to do it myself. Is there any way I can do this on my own as much as possible? Like can you send me your dolphin dump or something and tell me the basics to extracting and that shader fixing thing?

Judas · Apr 16, 2011

RandomTBush: Take your time to answer, answer when you have time, because my question probably needs a long answer, so I prefer that you answer later if you don't have time now, the only thing I wanted with this post was to make you aware that I sent you a PM, because some people don't control them so often. Anyway, New Super Mario bros Wii is a good game, I would be happy to see some of his things in Brawl.

RandomTBush · Apr 16, 2011

Yeah. I've gotten six people now asking about how to fix the models from Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. Sometime next month (for sure), I'll write a step-by-step tutorial on how to do so.

Ronaldmcdonald said:
I am using windows 7. When I do this it says it created a dump file (Dolphin.dmp) but when I search it doesnt come up. And I actually like to do it myself. Is there any way I can do this on my own as much as possible? Like can you send me your dolphin dump or something and tell me the basics to extracting and that shader fixing thing?

I think it might be in your C:\Users\*username*\Local Settings\Temp. I could be wrong, though -- do a search for it and see where the Dolphin.dmp file is located. As for the model corrections, I'll have to take a look at the models again, because I can't remember off the top of my head which specific values need to be fixed to make the models not transparent.

Ronaldmcdonald · Apr 16, 2011

RandomTBush said:
Yeah. I've gotten six people now asking about how to fix the models from Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. Sometime next month (for sure), I'll write a step-by-step tutorial on how to do so.

I think it might be in your C:\Users\*username*\Local Settings\Temp. I could be wrong, though -- do a search for it and see where the Dolphin.dmp file is located. As for the model corrections, I'll have to take a look at the models again, because I can't remember off the top of my head which specific values need to be fixed to make the models not transparent.

Exactly. When I check it isnt there. Would you be able to send me as much as possible but with as little work done on them as possible? I could use a challenge

RandomTBush · Apr 16, 2011

Ronaldmcdonald said:
Exactly. When I check it isnt there. Would you be able to send me as much as possible but with as little work done on them as possible? I could use a challenge

For characters? Or stages? Or both?

Ronaldmcdonald · Apr 16, 2011

RandomTBush said:
For characters? Or stages? Or both?

Just stages if you wouldnt mind please

RandomTBush · Apr 16, 2011

Ronaldmcdonald said:
Just stages if you wouldnt mind please

Alright. I haven't hexed any of them yet (except for the crocodile which goes with the Forest stage), and you should probably replace the textures with ones gotten from Dolphin's texture dumps because quite a lot of them have glitched-up squares in the top-left corner for some reason. Either way, check your Personal Messages -- it should be there shortly.

Also, the Manhattan stage is already a WIP from my brother and I, so pick anything else other than that to work on.

Ronaldmcdonald · Apr 16, 2011

RandomTBush said:
Alright. I haven't hexed any of them yet (except for the crocodile which goes with the Forest stage), and you should probably replace the textures with ones gotten from Dolphin's texture dumps because quite a lot of them have glitched-up squares in the top-left corner for some reason. Either way, check your Personal Messages -- it should be there shortly.

Also, the Manhattan stage is already a WIP from my brother and I, so pick anything else other than that to work on.

Alright thanks. Also great to hear that its being worked on. My favourite stage from the game hope you guys finish

RandomTBush · Apr 16, 2011

Ronaldmcdonald said:
Alright thanks. Also great to hear that its being worked on. My favourite stage from the game hope you guys finish

We're pretty much done. All we need to do is fix the lighting, and also fix the clouds animating in the background (so that the animation won't stop before it loops), and then it's ready for release.

Ronaldmcdonald · Apr 16, 2011

RandomTBush said:
We're pretty much done. All we need to do is fix the lighting, and also fix the clouds animating in the background (so that the animation won't stop before it loops), and then it's ready for release.

Really? What did you do for the electric fence, fan thing etc.? Just left it as nothing?

RandomTBush · Apr 16, 2011

Ronaldmcdonald said:
Really? What did you do for the electric fence, fan thing etc.? Just left it as nothing?

Because I can't add in the programming for those, they're left out from the stage. Everything else is there, though, and the stage is still quite playable without 'em.

Ronaldmcdonald · Apr 16, 2011

RandomTBush said:
Because I can't add in the programming for those, they're left out from the stage. Everything else is there, though, and the stage is still quite playable without 'em.

Oh wow looks awesome. Keep up the great work.
I tried to make Turtle Base. It's basically done but it needs whatever additional fixes that it should have. Looks kinda...strange without XD
Can you tell me how to fix the TMNT-SU models to look right in-game?

Mario & Sonic Guy · Apr 17, 2011

I do have a pretty curious question to ask, regarding Mario Sports Mix and TMNT: Smash-Up. When I looked at the primary post, the two game apparently have descriptions that are highly identical to each other...

RandomTBush said:
Mario Sports Mix
- (The models have an unknown compression and must be extracted from a memory dump. Also, the models need to have their polygon/material headers corrected manually. More on that later.)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Smash-Up
- (The models are *.PAC files, but they have an unknown compression and need to be extracted from a memory dump. Also, the models need to have their polygon/material headers corrected manually. More on that later.)

Now, I'm only guessing, but is it possible that Mario Sports Mix and TMNT: Smash-Up use the exact same compression method? I would hope not, seeing as the latter is also a PS2 title.

RandomTBush · Apr 17, 2011

Ronaldmcdonald said:
Can you tell me how to fix the TMNT-SU models to look right in-game?

If I recall correctly, you need to go to each Materials1 entry, and change the Unknown2 values to "0" instead of the stupidly-high values that they are already.

Ronaldmcdonald · Apr 17, 2011

RandomTBush said:
If I recall correctly, you need to go to each Materials1 entry, and change the Unknown2 values to "0" instead of the stupidly-high values that they are already.

Alright Ill try that. And not stupidly high stupidly low -1856145824 etc. XD

pikazz · Apr 17, 2011

RTB? when will the tutorial come how to insert models manually? like your TF2 and melees hats and sandwich? D:
I wanna try ;_;

RandomTBush · Apr 17, 2011

Ronaldmcdonald said:
Alright Ill try that. And not stupidly high stupidly low -1856145824 etc. XD

Ah, you know what I mean. XP

pikazz said:
RTB? when will the tutorial come how to insert models manually? like your TF2 and melees hats and sandwich? D:
I wanna try ;_;

It's honestly a lot harder than it seems. Either way, BlackJax96 over at the Kitty Corp is working on finishing up Kryal's DAE importer, so once that's done, making custom models will be easy to do.

pikazz · Apr 17, 2011

RandomTBush said:
It's honestly a lot harder than it seems. Either way, BlackJax96 over at the Kitty Corp is working on finishing up Kryal's DAE importer, so once that's done, making custom models will be easy to do.

"knowledge is power" you know D:
wanna try to do it manually before the DAE importer is complete, no matter how hard it is

ForOhFor Error · Apr 17, 2011

Speaking of that, go check out this thread again:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=17547.0
BlackJax96 has perfectly imported DAEs, but he needs help setting the MDL0 values (and finding out what to set them to).

TwilightGintoki · Apr 18, 2011

Im sorry if this makes me sound like an idiot or if this was told before but what is a DAE?

gabrielwoj · Apr 19, 2011

Hey guys, I don't know if this is Off-Topic...
But I recently found that Star Fox Assault (Yeah, gamecube) have Pac files, but I can't open them...
I want just to discover the type of models...
-It also uses "nut"/"mot"/"bin"/"fpc"/"efb"...

Thanks

GP&B · Apr 19, 2011

It's probably different even if it's the same extension. I know Phantasy Star Online Blue Burst (PC) uses pac files for a few different things but they're also not the same.

Mario & Sonic Guy · Apr 19, 2011

Yeah just because a file ends with .pac, doesn't mean that it behaves like Brawl's PAC files. For instance, TMNT: Smash-Up has PAC files, but they use an unknown compression method, instead of Brawl's LZ77 compression.

MDL0 files from Non-Brawl games

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