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Gotem City Vigilante
Crouch canceling is a tough concept!
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"common knowledge" that a lot of people don't know
- Thread starter Lovage
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StretchNutz
Smash Journeyman
yeah it's tough insofar as it doesn't work if you properly retreat with the down-b, which is the best way to avoid punishment. get on my level.
mers
Smash Ace
StretchNutz
Smash Journeyman
I've been saying this for a long time and nobody believes me. but you'll see. you'll all see. oh yes.
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Gotem City Vigilante
So given you execute this with perfect spacing, you've given your opponent very little damage and forfeited valuable stage control. Lol, not sure if I wasn't to be on your level. It is a legit mixup when you know they can't cc though.
StretchNutz
Smash Journeyman
well you can do 8% and give up valuable stage control... or eat a knee to the face and lose a stock. it's like a nice little trade-off.
and you don't need perfect spacing, you can just go all the way across the stage at high speed.
and you don't need perfect spacing, you can just go all the way across the stage at high speed.
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I can't tell if stretchnutz is making a lot of jokes and trolling, or if he is actually dumb enough.
either way, this really isnt the thread for it IMO
either way, this really isnt the thread for it IMO
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Meh it's pretty easy to counter dair, fair or bair.. lol. You can hear him scream before he does his tornado, it's too predictable.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Lol I know, I was pointing out how that even with near perfect execution it's not that great if your opponent has time to react.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Well with that said.. a common knowledge that a lot of people may not know, you may have an easier time reacting to your opponent due to the sound of the character makes or seeing the animation.
Also, finding HOW to get good reaction time is pretty important too, which goes with how to maximize speed and efficiency. Knowing what to do in every situation is a must, if you don't know then you'll look like a scared little sheep. I say "you" in general.
Also, finding HOW to get good reaction time is pretty important too, which goes with how to maximize speed and efficiency. Knowing what to do in every situation is a must, if you don't know then you'll look like a scared little sheep. I say "you" in general.
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Gotem City Vigilante
I usually low-angled ftilt falcos' phantasm at the edge when I hear the "ping" sound.
crush
Smash Master
when falcon kills you upward with his dair the game says its a meteor smash ko
Lovage
Smash Hero
LOL reallly?
the more you know
the more you know
crush
Smash Master
also can someone use action replay to find out how many ice climbers you can put on randall at one time? im pretty sure there are codes to use like 8 pairs of ice climbers lol
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
^ Trolololol
Mokumo
Smash Ace
shield toggle like a pro:
hold L/R and A, and press Z over and over again
hold L/R and A, and press Z over and over again
l0telephone0l
Smash Cadet
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Or light shield with L and then click R over and over. You can even switch L and R so you light shield with R!! Hole lol holy smokes!
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Hole != Holy
Pi
Smash Hero
mind blown sticky plz
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
l0telephone0l
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Jeapie
Smash Journeyman
Holding C-stick to the left or right while taking an impact on your shield will cause your charackter to roll the moment you shield stun is over.
Faster then buffering your roll with the control stick.
Extremely helpfull for charackter with a quick roll like captain falcon or DK.
example: falcon vs falco.
Falco: short hop laser -> grab
Falcon: Shields the laser and rolls away just in time to not get grabbed.
Buffer roll may be have been too slow.
Faster then buffering your roll with the control stick.
Extremely helpfull for charackter with a quick roll like captain falcon or DK.
example: falcon vs falco.
Falco: short hop laser -> grab
Falcon: Shields the laser and rolls away just in time to not get grabbed.
Buffer roll may be have been too slow.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
lol u cant buffer rolls with the control stick
Jeapie
Smash Journeyman
I always thought tapping the control stick left or right a few times was called buffering rolles.
Anyway my mistake sir.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
na, thats literally just rolling. when you hold shield and c stick, roll gets inputted on every frame, or for all intents and purposes the next available frame, which is why its called a buffer.
Jeapie
Smash Journeyman
Dimitris
Smash Ace
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Ah **** thanks. I finally understand buffering. Never found a good explanation of it.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Edit: somebody posted in the falco boards that electric attacks give the person getting hit MORE hitstop than the person using the attack. Normally both character freeze for the same amount of time and then the attack continues and the opponent goes into damage KB and hitstun.
Crazy thing tho, if you are talking about a single roll, buffering is only faster if you are already shielding. If you are just standing its 1 frame faster to hit left/right on the control stick and shield at the same time. If you were standing and just hit R and C stick left/right the game would first make you shield, and then roll, which takes 1 extra frame.
And Dimitris-you are welcome
Crazy thing tho, if you are talking about a single roll, buffering is only faster if you are already shielding. If you are just standing its 1 frame faster to hit left/right on the control stick and shield at the same time. If you were standing and just hit R and C stick left/right the game would first make you shield, and then roll, which takes 1 extra frame.
And Dimitris-you are welcome
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
>hitstop
What the heck is that? >_> Do you mean hitstun?
What the heck is that? >_> Do you mean hitstun?
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Hitstop or Hitlag is when you hit somebodys hurtbox or shield with and active hitbox....the characters freeze their actions and the person being hit takes damage on the next frame after the hitboxes collided...and the person has the ability to Smash or Shield DI. So hitstop are the frames that you SDI, you have to account for that in your timing when u l cancel, its different when u do an empty attack vs when u collide with a hit/hurtbox/shield.
hitstun is after hitlag and its the stun that the attack has on the player being hit. Its damage based so thats why it has to happen after the damage calculating phase, and hitstop. Usually the more damage the more hitstun and the greater the knockback. There is a formula for it but I havent seen it yet. Strongbad has it tho and is working on a pretty cool hitstun/shield stun/knock back calculator.
hitstun is after hitlag and its the stun that the attack has on the player being hit. Its damage based so thats why it has to happen after the damage calculating phase, and hitstop. Usually the more damage the more hitstun and the greater the knockback. There is a formula for it but I havent seen it yet. Strongbad has it tho and is working on a pretty cool hitstun/shield stun/knock back calculator.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Okay. Yeah, I know what hitlag is, lol. I'm not used to seeing people refer to hitlag as hitstop.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
I think thats because in order to roll with the c stick, you must be shielding, and if you input C stick left right up down etc on the last frame of an attack or roll or something, it inputs c stick action on that next frame(same way all actions work in melee).and I guess since the shield wasnt already up smash attacks had priority or something over the shield action.
You can test this out my simply pausing the game during your standing animation. While the game is paused just press down R, and hold the C stick any direction. When u unpause you get that smash attack. Seems if u are a frame late...lol you get jump, roll, or step dodge.
cool **** bro, I didnt actually know that b4
You can test this out my simply pausing the game during your standing animation. While the game is paused just press down R, and hold the C stick any direction. When u unpause you get that smash attack. Seems if u are a frame late...lol you get jump, roll, or step dodge.
cool **** bro, I didnt actually know that b4
BunBun
Smash Master
AKA how to win with Marth
The Good Doctor
Smash Champion
That happens all the time to Chris, Drew....
It's dumb....because he hits with it...
Missing.no
Smash Rookie
Probably mentioned but Ness simultaneously has 2nd worst and best grab range (if you count yyg)
Also Jiggs and Pichu were accidentally mixed up in tier list but no one noticed
Btw just went through this entire thread, start to finish. So much fantastic and so much "omg jiggz eyes are open in reflection and magnification"
Also Jiggs and Pichu were accidentally mixed up in tier list but no one noticed
Btw just went through this entire thread, start to finish. So much fantastic and so much "omg jiggz eyes are open in reflection and magnification"
Lovage
Smash Hero
i just found out you can do marth's counter out of his pre-jump frames and stay on the ground like fox can when he JC shines
if you do it right and listen you can hear marth make the jumping sound but still stay grounded. you could use this if you wanted to use counter out of your initial dash (which is really long for marth) but still stay grounded (idk if there's situations where staying grounded matters lol)
i wouldn't be surprised if this works with a lot of characters but i'm too lazy to test them
if you do it right and listen you can hear marth make the jumping sound but still stay grounded. you could use this if you wanted to use counter out of your initial dash (which is really long for marth) but still stay grounded (idk if there's situations where staying grounded matters lol)
i wouldn't be surprised if this works with a lot of characters but i'm too lazy to test them
Jonas
Smash Champion
I use Counter OOS sometimes if my opponent likes to **** shields : D
Never thought of doing it out of dash. That's pretty interesting.
Never thought of doing it out of dash. That's pretty interesting.
stelzig
Smash Lord
Wow, that's also what i've been thinking... Until just now. That's good to know, lol.