tarheeljks
Smash Lord
shroomed got first. mostly went sheik against ss, though i think i saw a marth game
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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
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Walt
Smash Ace
Julian you were considering if you should switch mains to Falcon right? You totally should, but I support everyone playing superheros like Falcon and not dastardly nefarious villain birds like Falco.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Sheik!? Wow man everyone is deserting their glory...
tarheeljks
Smash Lord
hah, yeah definitely considering it. i like playing them both (for different reasons), but as i mentioned earlier i go through gaps where i don't play and falcon is less demanding technically, so it would be easier to deal with the layoffs. that said i'll likely continue to stick with falco in singles and falcon in teams
edit: and of course watching the likes of jeff and scar play live makes anyone want to main falcon lol
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
Jeffery mother****ig spectre.
Walt
Smash Ace
Yeah he's been going Sheik/Marth the last few tournaments but he said he's gonna go straight Doc next time so it isn't out of practice for Genesis. He did a $20MM as Doc with SFAT that Shroomed won, came down to last stock game 5. SFAT is a beast. Not recorded though.
linkoninja
Smash Journeyman
I still can't moonwalk 
I'm so ashamed
I'm so ashamed
Shroomed
Smash Master
I can't moonwalk either =(.
I can't either and I think it's the most useful thing in the world and my inability to do it is the only thing that makes Mango better than me.
Jeapie
Smash Journeyman
Moonwalking
is
usefull
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usefull
Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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That about sums it up for me.
I use it for edge-hogging, I like it better than the whole dash>roll>wavedash thing I see a lot of players doing. Other than that, I use it for Bairing, or reverse Uairs when I go offstage. I find it useful, but by no means absolutely necessary to have a good Falcon.
Admittedly, I originally decided to learn it because I, like many others, thought it looked cool.
Useful, but there are more important tactics to be learned first. If I was as dedicated to wavedash oos as I was to moonwalking, I might actually be semi-decent at this game.
Walt
Smash Ace
I can only sucky moonwalk to the right, sometimes the full one but not often. I think it has some uses, the moonwalk techchase grab is not only a really good way to bait a bad tech roll, but is sum hot **** in the process.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Moonwalking is easy. Most players just think of it in the wrong way. I prolly suck at it now (I dont play this game cuz I have no one to play with ) but it would only take me a couple of hours to be able to multimoonwalk both ways.
) but it would only take me a couple of hours to be able to multimoonwalk both ways.
Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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I'm sure you've already heard the whole "cut across, don't do a half circle" explanation, but I have another way of improving it that I have learned.
I do cut across, just below the middle, but there's something else to it. Let's say you are moonwalking to the right(facing left). It's important to have your control stick spend as little time as possible on the left side. So, when you do the dash animation, don't even hit the left side(i.e., you don't hear the control stick smacking against the left side of it's little. . .hole?). Then, immediately cut across, just below the center, and move the control stick into the right side. Like any tactic, this just requires a lot of practice. Just try it between stocks while you're playing people for practice.
I do cut across, just below the middle, but there's something else to it. Let's say you are moonwalking to the right(facing left). It's important to have your control stick spend as little time as possible on the left side. So, when you do the dash animation, don't even hit the left side(i.e., you don't hear the control stick smacking against the left side of it's little. . .hole?). Then, immediately cut across, just below the center, and move the control stick into the right side. Like any tactic, this just requires a lot of practice. Just try it between stocks while you're playing people for practice.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
I'm not gonna lie it took me like 4 months before I could moonwalk...
bertbusdriver
Smash Ace
i can only moonwalk left :\
username12345678
Smash Apprentice
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stabbedbyanipple
Smash Master
lol QFT
I mean it's just one of those things that's good to know but it's not needed to play well.
I actually do a half circle and can do it both ways fairly well
I guess I cut across a little bit out of instinct.
Winston
Smash Master
When does the moonwalk grab bait something more effectively than a dashdance grab?
REDfox1
Smash Journeyman
there's no such thing as a bad tech roll, therefore you can't bait it
if you know which way theyre going to tech, just knee them
however i'm assuming youre referring to that one video of nando moonwalking into a grab, which i would imagine worked only because it made him look like he was going to bair, it had nothing to do with baiting a tech roll
ive been able to moonwalk both ways ever since the moment i was told how to do it, and i do the full half circle cause its super easy
if you know which way theyre going to tech, just knee them
however i'm assuming youre referring to that one video of nando moonwalking into a grab, which i would imagine worked only because it made him look like he was going to bair, it had nothing to do with baiting a tech roll
ive been able to moonwalk both ways ever since the moment i was told how to do it, and i do the full half circle cause its super easy
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aerials never trade, so the 9% difference that determines ground prioritydoesn't matter.
essentially, if your hitbox overlaps with their hurtbox on a frame before their hitbox overlaps with your hurtbox, you win. if it happens on the same frame, you trade. the other instance should be obvious. most people get a feel for this through experience. i myself do so via experience & the hitboxes themselves.
hitbox dragging comes into play with retreating aerials which is why they're so good.
it's always funny to me when people talk about priority and aerials 
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Divinokage
Smash Legend
Aerials never trade? What!? That's nonsense.. tell that to Ganon's fist and Falcon's knee colliding lol. Or when like both Falcons nair hit each other they cancel each other out lol.
he misspoke, it's not that aerials never trade, it's that they never factor in priority. There are 3 cases for 2 aerials:
1. Player A's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player B's hurtbox at least 1 frame before Player B's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player A's hurtbox (Player A's aerial connects and "wins")
2. Player B's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player A's hurtbox at least 1 frame before Player A's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player B's hurtbox (Player B's aerial connects and "wins")
3. Player A's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player B's hurtbox on the same frame as Player B's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player A's hurtbox (The aerials "trade" and both players get hit)
There's never a case with aerials like when a Falco fsmash just eats through a jab (actual instance of priority coming into play). 100% of cases where people talk about 1 aerial outprioritizing another are instances of 1 aerial outspacing another or an aerial coming out significantly faster than another.
1. Player A's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player B's hurtbox at least 1 frame before Player B's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player A's hurtbox (Player A's aerial connects and "wins")
2. Player B's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player A's hurtbox at least 1 frame before Player A's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player B's hurtbox (Player B's aerial connects and "wins")
3. Player A's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player B's hurtbox on the same frame as Player B's aerial's hitbox overlaps with Player A's hurtbox (The aerials "trade" and both players get hit)
There's never a case with aerials like when a Falco fsmash just eats through a jab (actual instance of priority coming into play). 100% of cases where people talk about 1 aerial outprioritizing another are instances of 1 aerial outspacing another or an aerial coming out significantly faster than another.
Walt
Smash Ace
Aerials can't clank, but aerials definitely trade. I go for trades with knee all the time depending on percent.
StretchNutz
Smash Journeyman
GG7 quit, I'm going to be AZ's next shining star.galize
Walt
Smash Ace
Just watched some of the videos and damn you were ****** erybody. Although I think you did miss like 90% of the edgeguards you went for lol. Every time someone is coming back I was thinking "why he is standing there/doing that, he won't be able to hit them" and then you didn't hit them. But other than that you destroyed everyone HARD.
Aussierob123
Smash Champion
Why would you go for trades? Wouldn't you just go for straight up knees?lol.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
lol johnny, youre the worst best player at edgeguarding
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seriously, the day u learn to edgeguard is the day you go from a top 15 player in the world to top 5
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seriously, the day u learn to edgeguard is the day you go from a top 15 player in the world to top 5
or should I say
whose channel is it?