New Smash Bros for WiiU

OmegaXVII said:

you wanna brawl? I seem to brawl from time to time, but it's laggy depending who i'm facing :/

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Sure, just look at my Brawl FC in the corner.

hold up a sec, just gimme 5 minutes and i'll be ready to Brawl, hope you show some skills.

Yeah, you should consider use the Smash Emporium (or whatever it's called) that uses Google Map to show where various smashers live, and try to hook up with 'em if you don't want to play online. I've been thinking about doing that with a few people I've met at tournies/smashboards/AIB/other sites that are pretty good. I probably will do that sometime in the future, though.

Johnknight1 said:

Yeah, you should consider use the Smash Emporium (or whatever it's called) that uses Google Map to show where various smashers live, and try to hook up with 'em if you don't want to play online. I've been thinking about doing that with a few people I've met at tournies/smashboards/AIB/other sites that are pretty good. I probably will do that sometime in the future, though.

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Problem is I work and will be beginning my college classes this fall. Not to mention I have to drive out quite a bit just to get to most places. Online is the just the most opportune for me at the moment.

Yeah I got the same school Johns! XD I hate not getting A's like North Korea hates South Korea.

You'd be surprised how close some people would be though. Even if you're in the middle of Wyoming, there would probably be a player who lives close by. Plus the May through early December tourney circuit always has a ton of tournaments in many many different areas, with many different levels of competitive players-if that's what you're into.

Edit: They'll probably keep this thread and update it with the latest information. If they don't, they'll archive it and make a new general thread like they did with Brawl (they actually had quite a few [stickied] information threads, come to think of it).

Super Smash Bros. Fan said:

Group has been formed.

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Joined it

Super Smash Bros. Fan said:

Yeah I've been getting the feeling that we would be getting this eventually; I'm just not expecting this to occur. That said, it would be unbelievably awesome and I would buy it instantaneously.

However, I wouldn't have much of an expectation on it. I am only expecting these characters to be playable if it does happen:

Nintendo:
Mario
Link
Samus

Capcom:
Mega Man
Ryu
Chun-Li

Perhaps I could form a social discussion group to talk about this if allowed?

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How about Jill Valentine against Samus?

Super Smash Bros. Fan said:

For Phoenix Wright, we'll have to see. It more or less depends on how well he plays in Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3. Given that he's actually playable in that game, I would say if he gets high demands that he has a good shot in Nintendo Vs. Capcom.

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His games appeared in the DS. That makes it even more reasonable to add him.

Shortiecanbrawl said:

I'm down to play later tonight. Anyways, so what's going to happen to this thread once SSB4 is offically announced next E3?

Oh yeah, Marth and Geno are up on my blog. They'll probably be up until tomorrow at five due to the lack of progress today.

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I'll go ahead and add your FC. Just got finished wiping the floor with Omega.

Na you didn't, it was just to laggy, plus i'm kinda rusty, i've been playing too much MKWii lately.

OmegaXVII said:

Na you didn't, it was just to laggy, plus i'm kinda rusty, i've been playing too much MKWii lately.

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Excuses excuses...

Master Rapier said:

I got a topic I've been wanting to talk about. Should we keep the Level Editor and if so how can we improve it?

Or do you think Smash should have minigames (Homerun contest, break the targets, etc) or just stick with fighting?

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We should. One way to do this is to let us use our stages that we created online.

And yes, Smash should have minigames like those, which were a ton of fun.

Starphoenix said:

Mario
Link
Pikachu
Kirby
Samus
Captain Falcon - Use the Brawl version, it sounds much better.
Saki Amamiya
Marth - The Melee version or With Mila's Divine Protection should be used as his theme.
Donkey Kong
Zelda
Metaknight - Why use Luigi's theme? A better theme would be Meta-Knight's Revenge.
Peach - I think Princess Peach Castle would be much better.
Will - I don't agree with this choice. Doesn't really sound like someone people would enjoy playing with.
Mewtwo
Little Mac
Takamaru
Ness - The Melee theme would be a better theme.
Luigi
Fox
Captain. Olimar

Boss: Bowser - Awesome theme. What would be even better is if Itadaki Street DS version was used.
Boss: Ganondorf

Ryu
Zero You should use this theme.
Felyne I think a Monster Hunter would be a better and more likely choice, although I would be fine with this one.
Frank West
Megaman
Phoenix Wright Up in the air for me. This more or less depends on how Phoenix Wright plays out in Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3. If it makes me understand why people want him in, then I'll definitely accept this choice.
Dante
Brood Ryu
Hakan Crimson Viper will likely be chosen over him, but representing the upgrade isn't necessarily a bad thing to say the least.
Chun Li
Strider Hiryu
Morrigan
Leon Kennedy
Bass.EXE
Batsu
Amaterasu
Viewtiful Joe
Arthur
Chris Redfield
Zack and Wiki Kind of iffy on this one, but I'll accept it since his games was on the Wii.

Boss: Dr. Wily
Boss: M. Bison

Final Boss: Giygas

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I would very much enjoy a roster like this. Pretty much gets all the necessity in and would make fans of both sides happy. Only thing I would do is replace Will with Pit. Personally, I would put in Jin Saotome over Hakan, but Hakan is overall a better choice for obvious reason and Jin doesn't look likely to be playable again anyway.

Shortiecanbrawl said:

I'm down to play later tonight. Anyways, so what's going to happen to this thread once SSB4 is offically announced next E3?

Oh yeah, Marth and Geno are up on my blog. They'll probably be up until tomorrow at five due to the lack of progress today.

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I'm hoping it stays up as a general discussion thread in regards to this game. Would be a shame for it to go down like the original thread.

berserker01 said:

How about Jill Valentine against Samus?

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That could work and if the game was made, I would consider her the most likely RE rep due to being the most universal.

Shortiecanbrawl said:

I'm down to play later tonight. Anyways, so what's going to happen to this thread once SSB4 is offically announced next E3?

Oh yeah, Marth and Geno are up on my blog. They'll probably be up until tomorrow at five due to the lack of progress today.

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This thread will probably become a social thread, a general discussion for Smash 4, basically like it is now.

and I might check out your thread.

Starphoenix said:

Excuses excuses...

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Son, i'm going to sharpen my skills again, I won't lose again!

Day Twenty-Six is up!.

I point to the Level Editor as one of several examples where Brawl strayed too far from the core gameplay and just delved into trivial junk that the average player spent fifteen minutes screwing around with.

Level Editor, Coin Launcher. These are nice in theory, but go all out or not at all. Can anyone really say the Coin Launcher held actual entertainment value? Level Editor was so primitive it wasn't worth wasting the time. Cut them and spend Dev Time making more characters, stages, or fleshing out SSE so it's not a bland Kirby knock-off.

Masterpieces, and Chronicles. All of which is fine if we're playing some kind of holy relic to Nintendo. But we aren't, we're playing a crossover fighter to have Bowser smash the snot out of Kirby.

Dunno, someone asked for opinions. There it is.

I personally wouldn't mind such modes of entertainment, but when it comes to a certain point that development time will be wasted thus consumed on such things rather than gameplay basics or character development for that matter, then yes.

Otherwise I really don't care if such minor things like coin launcher get in, that's not what I'm really going to focus or even buy Smash for, for me it's more like focusing on gameplay mechanics, more characters development and of course online which should be a major priority.

It's such a shame how slow and Brawl has been for me, considering I've never played it before up until a few days ago, such a pity, it's something that definetly needs to improve for the better.

While I do think people spent plenty of time on the level editor, it does need major improvement.

I personally hated the Coin Launcher, it was boring and a waste of time to wait for 1 in about 500 trophies to appear in order to complete your collection. I hope they get rid of it or do major inprovements so it becomes easier to gain rare trophies.

Masterpieces, are useless, I already own the games or downloaded them before Brawl came out on the VC. It would be better to just have VC demos on the Shop Channel. Also why isn't Earthbound on the VC yet!

I did enjoy the Chronicle though. It was fun to fill and Smash is a series that is also there to celebrate Nintendo's LONG history. I think it deserves to stay.

Bowser's spoiled son joins the fray! Despite his young age the Koopa Prince packs quite a punch!

Bowser Jr has lots of moveset potential, thought sharing a few moves with his father. Bowser Jr's moveset is based of of him, and Shadow Mario is based off the graffiti
A special feature is his down taunt turns him into shadow mario, not Bv. While shadow mario, all his attacks splatter graffiti on the ground and on characters. If too much gets on the ground or you, you trip, and the goo washes off. Water attacks(Fludd, Water Gun) wash off graffiti.

Bowser Jr

Neutral A

A: Does a quick punch
AA: Does 2 quick punches
AAA: Does 2 quick punches, and then a kick
Dash: Do a lunge

Tilts

A>: Swipe with your claws
A^: Do an uppercut
Av: Kicks low

Smashes

A>: Do a powerful punch
A^: Do a powerful uppercut
Av: Launch a flame at your feet, bursting on contact

Specials

B: Flame Breath(Launch a fireball forward, bursting on contact, charge for more power)
B>: Koopa Shell(Toss a green koopa shell, not as powerful as the item)
B^: Clown Kart(Fly upward a short distance using the Clown Kart, leaves you vulnerable in midair)
Bv: Shell Shock(Spin around rapidly in your shell, like Bowser's recovery, but doesn't gain any height in midair, leaves you vulnerable in midair

Final Smash: Airship Attack(Go into the background and fire cannonballs at others for major knockback and damage for 30 seconds or 10 shots)

Shadow Mario

Neutral A

A: Does a quick punch
AA: Does 2 quick punches
AAA: Does 2 quick punches, and then a kick
Dash: Dive paintbrush first

Tilts

A>: Swipe forward with the paintbrush
A^: Sweep upward with the paintbrush
Av: Sweep from side to side with the paintbrush

Smashes

A>: Swing the paintbrush forward
A^: Jab upward using the paintbrush
Av: Blast a glob of graffiti at your feet

Specials

B: Graffiti Stream(Launch a constant stream of graffiti forward, reducing in range overtime)
B>: Graffiti Minion(Summon a graffiti creature, causing damage to all who touch it)
B^: Graffiti Spray(Shoot graffiti towards the ground, propelling yourself into the air, leaves you vulnerable in midair)
Bv: Gooey Trail(Spread graffiti all around you, making foes more likely to trip)

Final Smash: Splattered Screen(The entire screen is splattered with graffiti, and graffiti pihrana plants ingulf the stage. If you are using a wii u controller, only you can see everything, and no one else can for 15 seconds

Shadow Mario transformation?!

inb4oasisseesthis

Soul Calibur would be awesome for, like Cassandra or Nightmare for example even if they never do happen.

Isn't Veronica going to appear with Chris Redfield in the upcoming RE4 HD edition?

@Shortiecanbrawl: If you root for underdog third-party characters, then what do you think of Strider Hiryu? I think he would be pretty cool to play with.

Super Smash Bros. Fan said:

Pretty much gets all the necessity in and would make fans of both sides happy. Only thing I would do is replace Will with Pit. Personally, I would put in Jin Saotome over Hakan, but Hakan is overall a better choice for obvious reason and Jin doesn't look likely to be playable again anyway.

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I don't get why Metaknight ended up with Luigi's theme? That was a flub on my part.

Actually I had Pit replace Luigi since Pit made a better mirror for Arthur.

Hakan was chosen because he was supposed to be DK's mirror. In fact let me relist my characters with their mirror in mind:

Mario x Ryu
Link x Zero
Pikachu x Felyne
Kirby x Frank West (don't ask about the pairing...)
Samus x Megaman
Captain Falcon x Phoenix Wright
Saki Amamiya x Dante
Marth x Brood Ryu
Donkey Kong x Hakan
Zelda x Chun Li
Metaknight x Strider Hiryu
Peach x Morrigan
Will x Leon Kennedy
Mewtwo x Bass.EXE
Little Mac x Batsu
Takamaru x Amaterasu
Ness x Viewtiful Joe
Pit x Arthur
Fox x Chris Redfield
Captain. Olimar x Zack and Wiki

Bowser x Dr. Wily
Ganondorf x M. Bison

Final Boss NPC: Giygas

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Not about the music. These are the sources that would obviously be remixed ala MvC3.

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Masterpieces, are useless, I already own the games or downloaded them before Brawl came out on the VC. It would be better to just have VC demos on the Shop Channel. Also why isn't Earthbound on the VC yet!

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See this is what bothered me when it came to data consumption, it was really unnecessary to have it in Smash, I mean was it really worth having them taking up space? Not really, if anything I feel it could have been used and focused towards better gameplay mechanics and online for the most part, but then again that was Sakurai solo at work.

This time since Sakurai has his development firm Sora Ltd. Working for him I feel he'll be open to more ideas and maybe suggestions, hopefully his focus will be more towards the actual game rather than such gimmicks that really aren't neccesary and are time consuming for the most part.

@shortiecanbrawl: Yea, Cassandra would totally be awesome maybe play similar to Link? I imagine she would be fast as well.

The Nintendo sides are ok but the Capcom fanboy in me is eh on the Capcom side. Good music all around tho

hemightbegiant said:

The Nintendo sides are ok but the Capcom fanboy in me is eh on the Capcom side. Good music all around tho

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Well I tried to add some diversity in context to the Nintendo characters.

Starphoenix said:

Well I tried to add some diversity in context to the Nintendo characters.

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that's fair, altho you and I both know Captain Falcon and Viewtiful Joe are supposed to be paired together

I like both sides, but the only thing I would change is to replace Hakan with Mike Haggar from Final Fight.

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I like both sides, but the only thing I would change is to replace Hakan with MIKE HAGGAR from Final Fight.

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Also this. I love Hakan but Haggar deserves it more, I mean after the initial arcade port all FF sequels were on Nintendo consoles

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I like both sides, but the only thing I would change is to replace Hakan with Mike Haggar from Final Fight.

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I had considered that originally, but I wanted to keep too much copy/pasting from MvC3. So I went with Hakan, the only other option was Zangief, but I wanted a SF4 character.

Starphoenix said:

I don't get why Metaknight ended up with Luigi's theme? That was a flub on my part.

Actually I had Pit replace Luigi since Pit made a better mirror for Arthur.

Hakan was chosen because he was supposed to be DK's mirror. In fact let me relist my characters with their mirror in mind:

Mario x Ryu
Link x Zero
Pikachu x Felyne
Kirby x Frank West (don't ask about the pairing...)
Samus x Megaman
Captain Falcon x Phoenix Wright
Saki Amamiya x Dante
Marth x Brood Ryu
Donkey Kong x Hakan
Zelda x Chun Li
Metaknight x Strider Hiryu
Peach x Morrigan
Will x Leon Kennedy
Mewtwo x Bass.EXE
Little Mac x Batsu
Takamaru x Amaterasu
Ness x Viewtiful Joe
Pit x Arthur
Fox x Chris Redfield
Captain. Olimar x Zack and Wiki

Bowser x Dr. Wily
Ganondorf x M. Bison

Final Boss NPC: Giygas

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Not about the music. These are the sources that would obviously be remixed ala MvC3.

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Hey, that's a nice line-up you have there, Brood Ryu should so fight Marth.

M.Bison joining forces with Ganondorf would be too cool, both of the are already godly like and Giygas would be the totally invincible boss that both franchises fight, Dante or Frank West fighting Giygas would be so epic.

OmegaXVII said:

Hey, that's a nice line-up you have there, Brood Ryu should so fight Marth.

M.Bison joining forces with Ganondorf would be too cool, both of the are already godly like and Giygas would be the totally invincible boss that both franchises fight, Dante or Frank West fighting Giygas would be so epic.

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The only one's that I could end up changing are Zack and Wiki, Hakan and Dante.

Yes, Giygas would frighten even the hardest Capcom character... Definitely deserves to be the multi formed, all powerful final boss of whatever arcade mode they have.

But if this does come true, which would be awesome. Should it be like Street Fighter X Tekken with 2 games or just a MvC style game?

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But if this does come true, which would be awesome. Should it be like Street Fighter X Tekken with 2 games or just a MvC style game?

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Because I'm confident we will be hitting a roster in the upper 30's to mid 40's in this hypoethetical but very likely game, I'm sure it will be a 3v3. Which will be very interesting to see.

No it'd be more along the lines of Marvel Vs. Capcom and Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom.

I'd so main a Saki/Zero/Brood Ryu team.

Hmm... I'm guessing it would play or look similar to Street Fighter x Tekken?

I guess 2 on 2 like Tatsunoko, depending on the roster size I guess.

Just want to announce that I am officially kick starting the Victini campaign to have Victini as a playable character as a collaboration with Project Begnion to get both Black Knight and Victini as playable characters. This is the site for Project Unova. Currently there's nothing in their but I do plan on getting something up within a few days.

I don't mind if it's 2 on 2 or 3 on 3. I obviously prefer 3 on 3

Mario x Ryu
Peach x Chun-Li
Link x Strider Hiryu
Zelda x Morrigan
Donkey Kong x Hugo
Pikachu x Felyne
Kirby x Mega Man
Samus x Zero
Pit x Arthur
Ness x Phoenix Wright
Captain Falcon x Viewtiful Joe
Marth x Donovan
Fox x Amaterasu
Sami x Jill Valentine
Little Mac x Frank West
Ice Climbers x Zack & Wiki
Jill Dozer x Tron Bonne

Mid-Bosses
Luigi x Dan

Secret Mid-Bosses
Meta Knight x Q

Bosses
Bowser x Astaroth
Ganondorf x M. Bison

Secret Bosses
Mewtwo x Akuma

First draft done in five minutes. Am I doing it right?

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What I find most interesting isn't when there's a clear candidate for a franchise, but when there's different directions something could go.

Mario
Waluigi- The Dark Horse
Toad- The Veteran
Bowser Jr.- The New Kid
Paper Mario- The Spinoff

F-ZERO
Samurai Goroh- The Rival
Black Shadow- The Mastermind Villain

Pokemon
Victini- Possible New Gen
Zoroark- Possible New Gen
Mewtwo- Popular Villain-type
Genesect- New Villain-type

Fire Emblem
Black Knight- The Villain
Caeda- Most Major Support Character
Lyn- Only Female Lord