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bro, I, like, don't even know how to leave a group. And if I did i'd be too lazy to do it. I like my blue name tho
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That is NOT a denial.I cut back on my trolling after I got warned by the URC the first time. Now that URC is disbanded there are no shackles holding me back . Where is Jebus when you need him?
I mean, my point is more that if you guys wanted things to appear professional...you don't let this dude talk to the public. I'd rather troll back, but I mean, I'm assuming people are gonna try and make a new "Rules to go by" for this game...don't let trolls be your spokesman.Just ignore him. I'm pretty sure he's the only one left in the room, lol.
The URC was a ****ty attempt to force a ruleset down people throats, and it did more damage than good, and it basically took the community part out of the community. Lose that (which you already have) and you have nothing. Especially TO's, who more than likely hated the rule set to begin with, and never had any REAL control over rule sets. You've contradicted yourself in everyway.The committee was made up entirely of tournament organizers, so 'removing power from tournament organizers' would essentially have been impossible, since the net effect would simply have gone to other tournament organizers.
I fully expect to see much of the Unity Ruleset to continue to be copied and pasted for a long time to come, because aside from stances on controversial issues, it provides a clear and well-put-together template for TOs to then make changes too.
The URC could not have disrupted things anymore than they already were: at least 30% of tournaments in the last year ran with the Unity Ruleset - before that you would be hard pressed to find even 10% of tournaments running the same ruleset.
So, yes, I will question your unquestionable statement that the URC was one of the "worst things in the history of the smash community", and this is coming from someone who both started the URC and also as part of the Senate moved to disband it.
Xyro's post can be answered by me in a couple of ways, and its not meant for him specifically:Hey folks, and anti-ban in particular (and mew2king, this means you especially). I was one of the biggest advocates and posters on that side of that aisle, and fairly strongly opposed to a unified ruleset since forever, but lets try and be sensible and respectful k?
Rather than bicker about past events lets please move on. There are significantly more pressing issues we need to address within our community. The "I told you so's" and conspiracy theories will do absolutely nothing for you or the communities benefit from this point forward. Nor will arguing about the affects of the sticky rule or how long it was implemented or 'power abuse' from an entity that no longer exists.
Issues that still need to be addressed (quoted from xyro)
1. People have been saturated with smash. They have been going to 37 HOBOs, 10-12 Phases , 10-11 Revolutions, 8-9 final smashes, 16 DMTs, 3 whobos and HUNDREDS of fests. All of these things have pretty much been happening every other week for the past 4 years(at one point, sunc was having fests/torunaments at his house EVERY WEEKEND for like 2-3 months). At one point tx was the most active state in the USA. People are sick of it.
2. People are tired of losing to the same people. GNES/RAZER/TRELA and some of DOJO. For the past 2.5-3 years these people have claimed top 3-4 in EVERY tournament(not whobo) they go to. So why do people want to travel when they know AT BEST they will get 5th(aka no money or very low money).
THOSE^ things are why the scene was dying.
Id also add things like the fact that tournaments take forever, or community outreach and advertisement to potential players outside the community is exceptionally poor, and probably a ton of other things.
Your former sticky rule and back room Illuminati nonsense says otherwise. Disband ALL of them, and THEN you'll have the essence of what a true community is. A handful of people force feeding people rules doesn't help, especially forcing something like this on casual players who hate the ruleset as much as anyone else.The point is that nobody was forced to use Unity. If I were to host a tournament right now, I doubt that a single URC member would go up to me, point a gun at my head, and say, "You run Unity right now or else you die."
I still had full control over my tournament, and even though there was a lot of incentive to use Unity, I still had the choice to ignore it and do whatever I wanted, and no Senator, Admin or URC member was going to stop me from wanting to run the tournament the way I wanted.
The only way that you can be forced to use Unity was if you made the choice to join the Unity Ruleset Committee, but you still had the option to be a tournament organizer and not be in the URC.
See above and yes they can. It wasn't misplaced anger either. Killing off smaller events due to a rule set which only got 30% use (thanks for ****ting on your own ruleset Zealot) should be telling you something important.Your first paragraph took exactly what I said and made it more confusing for people to read. The TOs will have to make a change or die out if people don't go, which is exactly what I said. If you choose to not go to the tournament because of that aspect, and it's actually hurting the TO from having a successful tournament, they will be forced to change it or die out/lose money/time. You just agreed with both of my points.
1. Recommended Rulesets [specifically under that name] do the same thing. Because it has a different name does not change.
2. It still was never forced, meaning the problem was in the minds of the TOs that felt pressured to using this ruleset or not get any attendees. But since they feel Unity is the cause of this, that is who the blame is on. Just my opinion. Also the anger should be towards the source, not what came out of it. You can't hate Unity for something it didn't control, and say that it caused its own unpopularity. Misplaced anger.
Spelt's trolling deserves its own MK tier.MegaRob is such a **** tier troll. No subtlety and little humor.
Spelt's a lot better.
Welcome back to Baseless Statements! I'm your host, Tony_The URC was a ****ty attempt to force a ruleset down people throats, and it did more damage than good, and it basically took the community part out of the community. Lose that (which you already have) and you have nothing. Especially TO's, who more than likely hated the rule set to begin with, and never had any REAL control over rule sets. You've contradicted yourself in everyway.
So you would rather insult than debate? Congrats on confirming the average intelligence of the Smash user base.Welcome back to Baseless Statements! I'm your host, Tony_
Speaking of, he started playing again and just beat kiraflax and did very well at a socal regional .Where is Jebus when you need him?
You respond well to challenges to the bull**** you spew. How about you cite sources instead of making random assertions.So you would rather insult than debate? Congrats on confirming the average intelligence of the Smash user base.
Here's my P1 impression.Speaking of, he started playing again and just beat kiraflax and did very well at a socal regional .
Did you bother to read all of the posts in this thread? There's not that many. It is misplaced anger because they did not make the sticky rule, they had to follow it. The decision to make this rule was in place as Unity was formed, and the decision to get rid of it was also not up to Unity. How are you going to hate them for something that wasn't in their control? They're not force feeding anything, they're following the rules that were already in place for them.Your former sticky rule and back room Illuminati nonsense says otherwise. Disband ALL of them, and THEN you'll have the essence of what a true community is. A handful of people force feeding people rules doesn't help, especially forcing something like this on casual players who hate the ruleset as much as anyone else.
See above and yes they can. It wasn't misplaced anger either. Killing off smaller events due to a rule set which only got 30% use (thanks for ****ting on your own ruleset Zealot) should be telling you something important.
what he saidgood riddance.
The sticky rule wasn't sanctioned by the senate, it was made by our MLG representative at the time. When he stepped down the Senate waited a while and then removed the sticky rule.I myself have a couple of charges that need to be answered by everyone:
Question 1: If Unity Ruleset sticky rule was officially sanctioned by the SWF Senate, then why didn't the Senate themselves answer the questions the community had about this rule?
The senate didn't have the option of vetoing the URC when it was made. The Senate did also not make the URC ruleset so it wouldn't make sense to ask them about something relating to the actual ruleset itself as opposed to the group as a whole.Question 2: If the URC was officially sanctioned by the SWF senate, then why, during the Unity Experimental Process, must one get approval from a URC member to make any alterations to the ruleset to still maintain sticky status?
That would be something to ask JV or AlphaZealot, but I was under the impression that members were selected not just let in if they ran one tournament with Unity.Question 3: If the URC was suppose to set the National standard ruleset, then why make the price of admission to this committee so low at running one tournament with the Unity Ruleset? That just stinks of fraud.
So now we are getting three different stories on the origins of the sticky rule, and each one points to a different group. One says that it is the URC, another, championed by AlphaZealot, says it was the SWF GM who made the call. Now you say that it was the MLG rep who resigned after the order was sent out? Now you tell me, the Senate, not wanting to disrespect the MLG Rep's(Who I suspect is AZ himself) last orders, kept that rule in place for 6 months after he resigned? Something stinks here and it is not the milk that I am drinking. If people know that a rule is wrong and bad for the community, it should be removed in all due haste instead of playing politics and making a community divided.The sticky rule wasn't sanctioned by the senate, it was made by our MLG representative at the time. When he stepped down the Senate waited a while and then removed the sticky rule.
I think that the fact that the Senate shut down the URC speaks for itself. They, the Senate, probably saw that the community was going to be divided over the Unity ruleset. The fact that Genesis and Apex 2013 was going to circumvent the MK ban, plus the emergence of the Japanese Metagame probably made them realize that having a National ruleset is detrimental to the community as a whole. This grand experiment could have been shut down at any time, but your buddy, AlphaZealot, couldn't stand the fact that his National Standard was going down the toilet.The senate didn't have the option of vetoing the URC when it was made. The Senate did also not make the URC ruleset so it wouldn't make sense to ask them about something relating to the actual ruleset itself as opposed to the group as a whole.
Weren't they both referring to JV? I think that's what he means lol.So now we are getting three different stories on the origins of the sticky rule, and each one points to a different group. One says that it is the URC, another, championed by AlphaZealot, says it was the SWF GM who made the call. Now you say that it was the MLG rep who resigned after the order was sent out? Now you tell me, the Senate, not wanting to disrespect the MLG Rep's(Who I suspect is AZ himself) last orders, kept that rule in place for 6 months after he resigned? Something stinks here and it is not the milk that I am drinking. If people know that a rule is wrong and bad for the community, it should be removed in all due haste instead of playing politics and making a community divided.
No, it doesn't, because your point was that there were multiple stories. There aren't, at least from the Senates perspective. Maybe someone from the URC, but they do not run Smashboards.Oh. It may be the same person, but the point remains...
It was an entire Senate decision. I have my own additional personal reasons for supporting the end of an 'experiment' I help start but I won't get into it. However, my point is once the GM implemented BBR-RC, it was an entity of Smashboards, and only the Senate could end it (or possibly our current temp-GM, who is not me).This grand experiment could have been shut down at any time, but your buddy, AlphaZealot, couldn't stand the fact that his National Standard was going down the toilet.
agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 100%URC sucked ****, you can't just say "MK is banned forever, if you don't like it SUCKS FOR U" and any ruleset they don't like they can't use
THEN force people to use their ruleset or they don't get stickied. Something like that would never stick around.
wish I woulda known that would happen before I gave my controller away to Nietono at apex though <_<
The "Senate Sponsored: SWF Suggestion Box" topic could probably have its OP updated to better show who it was they were giving the suggestions to. Although to answer the question about the Senate in its most basic form; it is simply upper level staff (which essentially breaks down to administrators & senators).Smash News maybe?
It was an entire Senate decision. I have my own additional personal reasons for supporting the end of an 'experiment' I help start but I won't get into it. However, my point is once the GM implemented BBR-RC, it was an entity of Smashboards, and only the Senate could end it (or possibly our current temp-GM, who is not me).
Words have meanings. Don't imply that you yourself moved to disban something and take credit for starting said something. It makes you lose all credibility relating to the topic at hand.AlphaZealot said:So, yes, I will question your unquestionable statement that the URC was one of the "worst things in the history of the smash community", and this is coming from someone who both started the URC and also as part of the Senate moved to disband it.