Like Anomandaris. Gonna look over some shizzle here and there but he has DEFINITELY got my seal of approval.
I want Orbo dead.
J, where is your head at? I'm starting to get a little worried about you for completely disregarding Zen/Orbo's play. Ran was being TownRan and Zen pushed for his lynch without much deliberation ._. that was just awful.
Holy crap, someone likes me, it must be early Christmas or something , but @ Bardull what do you like me
AS ?
Rake, where is your vote going now that it is not on Bardull.
Hi Bardull! Thanks for replacing in! Zen, I just can read him well. That's not a real reason but the reason I like Orbo/Zen is because I can't see the scummy intent behind that slot's posts. Orbo is trying to figure out who is scum and seems to be looking at things and analyzing material he has. What exactly do you find scummy about that slot moreso than they just are?
Well to be honest, until i saw all these juicy posts i was going to vote myself and drag on till i got an idea of everyones heads were at
I'll vote at the end of this reply wall, btw i will be referring to this with some later stuff as it is relevant
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I really like this post by Ori. o_o
Craaaaaaaaaaaaaap, gotta re-evaluate some thingies first.
Tbh i didn't like the post that much, but i didn't hate it either , felt like Ori was going defence when defence was needed, i think offence might have helped more.
A question for
Rake/Orbo/Vinyl/Bardull/Shotty. Who would like to tell me the difference between Ori's response to the pressure mounting on him or Ditzy's response to the pressure mounting on him? Tell me who you think is the more likely to flip scum out of these two people. If you must, give like a number figure. What makes them scummier over the other candidate?
I think this game needs a little...magic to spruce it up a bit since it is becoming a bit
dry.
The difference for me so far is Ori has more or less attempted to start to do something and has resorted to some FUD stuff, Deitz did some FUD stuff which i probably will go quote after this wall is done. In all honesty, they seem to have reacted in semi similar ways, i'll be trying to post some similarities i think i might be seeing.
Like can we just lynch scum(aka ori) so i don't have to worry about this thread while im working all weekend?
Now i know sort of how marshy feels
Well we could do that, or we could attempt to do something and get another mafia out and i dislike how orbo nonchalantly throws ori as his only scum lynch concern
also this is ****ing horrible. not gonna post because of typos? making excuses to lurk does NOT fly with me.
rage mode much ? If ori isn't going to post, oris not going to post, reasons be damned
because i hate things being inactive and i just want a flip to get things moving again. remind how that is salty?
picking apart post in a moment
Because if the flip is town we've managed to lynch all town so far, the only mafia kill has been from the other mafia, us townies don't have a great track record
@Rake - Would you still want to push for Orbo right now?
@J - What do you think of Orbo non-chalantly being cool with me and Rake when we have scum reads on him?
Odd thing is, i provided the initial push, seems to me as if my small pressure on orbos' slot has done something as J has flip flopped on it(i have this somewhere) and orbo himself is getting all post erratic.
I'm going to get started with this and going through a few of my thoughts based on my readings. I've decided to hang back a bit and read things that everyone else is posting and everyone has posted in the time I have been waiting so I got to see a few things happen that has changed some reads on some slots.
Saving my big change for the end. Makes me sad.
**1)
This feeling I get of Ditzy-Orbo connection keeps getting stronger by the way the two guys have been treating each other.
**2)
Ditzy has been hammer fishing for someone to quickly end the day with an Ori lynch and it reeks of self-perservation of his own slot in this game instead of actually trying to lynch scum.
**3)
This is the big difference between Ori's and Ditzy's response to pressure. Ori still tries to help town where Ditzy starts flailing and calling everyone else scum and acting Ori. Ori is more so acting rationally and still trying to help town even though he is being pressured
**4)
He says "for reasons Ditzy stated" which means he is just piggybacking and then says false things about Ori whereas he is explaining what Ditzy is doing. He even calls Ori out on self-preservation iirc where the real person who has been doing this ever since he name fell into the hat of possible lynches, is Ditzy.
Yet Orbo is holding a double-standard for his push on Ditzy-Ori and I am honestly baffled by this.
**5)
Orbo backs up Ditzy's hurried attitude of rushing the hammer but he was paranoid earlier....excuse me but what? I don't like this hammer fishing coming from Ditzy-Orbo.
**6)
Bottom line: I dislike it. Orbo is just trying to shrug off the attention that is being focused on his slot and I do not get why. He seems uneasy when people question his alignment which hasn't really been done and his reaction to said pressure looks grimy.
**7)
I have noticed a connection that I think is important to bring up at the current time.
I think Ditzy and Orbo are the Ice Mafia in this game. Look at the way the two have been reacting to each other during toDay. Orbo has this weird town-read on Ditzy and this back and forth at the same time that seems to look like very weak scum-distancing techniques and I find it really scummy. Orbo has become to look weirder and weirder with his instance that Ditzy is town but not backing it up with anything. They both continue to piggyback each other with each other's suspicions of Ori_Boat, but at the same time, it doesn't do much besides them just going "Lynch Ori already" and end the day phase. They don't even seem to really care about looking into each others slots at all anymore (More Ditzy than Orbo).
**8)
We can even go into the fact that Ditzy also continously followed Zen when he was in the game and piggybacked his reasoning as I have pointed out already. Zen's slot-Ditzy have had a connection this entire game and it is even clearer when shown through who both slots have tried pushing together. Zen's slot has only had these tiny little pushes at Ditzy whereas Ditzy has not even cared to look at that slot while remaining to call every other slot town.
**9)
And Ditzy has begun to become a hypocrite lately. Look at the way he calls me out for buddying Orbo, but lately Ditzy has been buddying Orbo out the wazoo, however, Ditzy also forgot to mention that he had been buddying Zen when he was in the game as well so he is falling into his own scum-tell there.
ToDay, Ditzy needs to go, he flips Ice Mafia, Orbo is next.
Vote: Ditzy
FoS: Orboknown
I'm sorry Orbo that is has to be this way, but I will free you from your scummy self. The towny group will miss you.
**10) This is insanely bad logic. When they stop being scum? So you think all of Bardull/Shotty/J/Rake/Ori are scum? Are you insane? The only one with a town-read on you that has clung to it is Orbo so Orbo is the only one town to you? Your reads are vapid and solely rely on how people view you. This proves my point of you not caring to develop your reads. Expound on them, build cases on people, make the effort to determine alignment.
*11)
The bolded bit is not even the reason for why I want to lynch you. You are strawmanning my argument. Orbo has been squirming, especially when pressed by Rake with a certain quote saying, "man why are you tunneling me so hard?" Rake and Bardull have presented reasonings for why they feel he is scum. Rake has even presented a case against him so there has been evidence against Orbo, have you read that case?
**12)
I specifically remember Rake saying he was holding off until he had actual evidence since he didn't want to make a push for no reason. I don't recall Bardull ever saying anything more than "I'm not sure about it".
Did you yourself not read either of those parts?
**13)
Another random note: My Orbo scum-read is purely relative to my scum-read on Ditzy. If Ditzy were to flip town, I don't think I'd have a scum-read on Orbo. If Ditzy were to flip Fire Mafia, I would also not really have a scum-read on Orbo.
**14)
Seems I didn't see this when I first read your post Rake but yes I do see you are a bit of a surprising character. I don't think I welcomed you to the game but hiya! =D
So far, I feel you are a pretty strong town read of mine. Can I get you to join me on a Ditzy-Lynch since you have a scum-read on him?
**15)
That's fine. It's probably for the best. I don't think either of us are on the same page about each other's arguments anymore.
This little excerpt of the Vote Count can show you who is actually behind the Ori wagon and giving its full steam-ahead/no other choice vibe. Its just Orbo-Ditzy pushing it together while the rest of us watch. Vinyl hopped on as a scape-goat and then the rest of us, however, are looking at Ditzy. Do not be fooled. Join me on the Ditzy wagon and let's lynch some scum!
=D
i am responding to the numbers i put in the posts
1)
Orbo and JD seem to be treating each other the same way you and orbo did before all the questions came and the new orbo slipped out. This to me doesn't mean anything significant yet, now that you are questioning Orbo's alliances i am starting to get a much better read on your slot, got to say if all the stuff that has been posted didn't change your opinion. I would have you as scum through and through. Most likely as orbos scum buddy, now that JD seems to be doing it is starting to effect the read i have going , but we shall see in time.
2) i agree with the hammer fishing thing, him and orbo seem to be quite content to lynch Ori A.S.A.P. The hammer lynch stuff ends here for me though, seems to me with JD's recent post war with J and his early attempts during pressure to find scum that he's attempting to be town and save his slot , at least somewhat, some of his other posts have me wondering, but again, my full JD read is still in progress
3) Have to say i disagree with this slightly on both sides, Ori's posts have been getting better, but i still see FUD in them and as for scum hunting , Ori seems to do it off and on , maybe as needed, something to consider.
JD's lash outs bother me, but they don't say full scum yet, they seem to be more tuned retorts to what he's being asked under the pressure now being re applied by J
4)
Have to say Jd's posts have been self preserving, but he has addressed whats coming at him cogently imo, not spouting FUD or Ate'ing and iirc he hasn't full out stated that lynching him would be the worst thing for town possible *as ori did*
Again agreed, the double standard confuses me, i think orbo and JD were pushing ori because everyone had ori down scum and they saw an opportunity, now that it has moved to JD, i'd like to see what orbo says about all of it.
5)
Exactly, town at first of keeping the hammer away, but switches to hammer when the moment seems right, has scummy all over it for Orbo more than JD imo. If orbo was so lynch paranoid he wouldn't even have voted or voted on himself to preserve town and yet he went for a possible hammer after that, not very town, even if ori scum
6)
Shifting attention is scumy imo, unless it's a shift that actually achieves something , which orbo's did not, he sort of did this with my original read of scum on him , which he requested my reads on , as me " having no evidence of him being scum " he didn't counter anything beyond that or provide any little tidbit quote examples of his pro town attitude, only after i post a wall of text for my read does he address it , even then shrugging it off as "stuff i had on zen's slot and not his posts" which to me doesn't matter, he replaced into zens slot, i thought zens slot was scum ipso facto ergo until orbo managed to convince me away from that his slot = scum.
7)
i agree with the Orbo stuff, he seems to be slipping into a scummier role after his hard pushes on ran as Bardull pointed out and now this one on ori. However i think orbos read on JD town is seperate from that, and he may even be trying to drag JD down with him as scum to save his real scum buddy, seems more likely to me that orbo is last of fire mafia trying to drag down townies to throw suspicion around him as town aligned.
8)
Not to be to unfair here , but if this connection ha been around all game, and people go back to strengthen reads, why has no one picked up on this till after my intial orbo stuff and Bardulls orbo stuff. Seems to me if this connection was so clear cut then it should have been seen. \But i do have to agree that the lack of pushing between them is more obvous now that orbos slot is receiving more scum attention, but i have to ask
/@everyone: does what J says here make sense , in terms of the fact that it was their , but only now it comes through, imo if it was there people should have seen it initially and questioned it, but no one did, is this because of an "clear town read " on orbos slot or did you just not see it that way ?
9)
This i agree with a lot , makes me really look at JD's posts again for my read (soon to be full at this rate) but for now i'll call JD's sen buddying as innocent town by JD on someone who everyone had down for town to that point.
10) If JD has me as scum, then i would love to hear why, so therefore @ JD, if am scum so far in your book, why ?
11) Indeed i di provide arguements, although i did also state i wouldn't point fingers at that junture, i am FOS on orbo right now, just due to most of his recent posts sounding more and more anit town imo/
12) Again, indeed i did, as for Bardull he said he wanted orbo dead, thats pretty clear cut.
I held off because things like whats happened today tend to happen when people kick pebbles and wouldn't you know it, i kick the orbo stone , the game gets more active and here we are. Just like to say thanks for all the quotes you guys : )
13) J , this makes me question your reads strength , you say you think theya re ice mafia scum buddys, but here you say your orbo read is dependant on JD. It's either one or the other. You state that either flip and you would still have a town / null read on orbo, but earlier you said they were scum buddies. So i will ask
@ J : is orbo mafia / town null or null scum for you now ?
14)
Woot, welcomed to the game ! Any who , i could get in on a lynch, but iirc i hadn't done a full JD read so in fairness i have to before i start throwing votes around.
15)
I personally dislike wagons as they tend to apart when you put pressure on them *cough orbo and to some extent JD*
So have fun with all that whoever wants to read it, to conclude, i can now do this
VOTE: Orboknown
And dat handles dat
