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The sole wielder of the Orange Light of Avarice, Larfleeze is quite possibly the greediest being in the DC Comicsverse. His ring’s power is unparalled. To put it in perspective: the Green Lantern ring used to be the most powerful weapon in the universe. Larfleeze’s has the capacity to hold power equal to 100,000 Green Lantern rings. And that’s not counting the fact that he carries the recharge lantern (which has the physical embodiment of Avarice itself trapped within) with him everywhere he goes, or that anyone he kills rises as an identical orange construct loyal only to Larfleeze. Is it any wonder that I chose him as my first 3v1 set?


As alluded to in the intro, every time Larfleeze KOs someone, a construct made from orange avarice will appear, flying from the direction they were KOed from. The construct has the person’s full moveset, plus two extra jumps, float, and glide. Aesthetically speaking, their outfits will be changed somewhat, displaying the symbol of the Orange Lanterns on their chest:


The constructs have HP equal to the percent of the person they spawned from when they were KOed. For example, if Larfleeze KOs someone at 100%, the resulting construct will have 100 HP. Never fight Larfleeze on Sudden Death. Also, if a construct KOs someone, a construct will still appear, even if the construct is of the same person (i.e. If a construct of Mario KOs Mario, another Mario construct will appear). Constructs do not take knockback, but will instantly dissipate into orange mist when their HP is brought to 0.

On a completely aesthetic note, Larfleeze’s shield is always orange and instead of shrinking, will audibly and visibly crack when weakened. Also, everything he makes with the ring has the Orange Lantern symbol on it somewhere.

WEIGHT: 6.5 Somewhat heavier than average, but not by much.

SIZE: 7 He is a wee bit taller than Ganondorf, but he crouches, bringing him to a lower height.

GROUND SPEED: 4 He hovers, cloaked in orange energy, just over the ground, not enough to dodge any traps or motion-sensor bombs or anything. He floats this way while he walks, too, unhurried right now. Why should he hurry? Whatever he’s after is in no danger of being taken…

DASH SPEED: 7 …but if it is likely to be taken, he float-dashes pretty quickly.

TRACTION: 9 He technically floats ever so slightly over the stage, as I mentioned, so his ability to trip is reduced quite a bit.

JUMPS: 10 He has five jumps, each of which involve him boosting himself upwards about half a Battlefield platform. Impressive, no? Thank the ring for that.

AIR SPEED: 10 Near perfect, along with his aerial maneuverability. The air is his playground with that ring.

FALL SPEED: 8 He doesn’t fall very quickly at all, thanks once again to the ring.

CROUCH: 8 He used to be a common thief, which explains this quick drop to the ground, as if he expects to be shot.

WALL JUMP: No.

WALL CLING:No.

GLIDE: Yes. He flies, Superman style, to the ground, straightening up as he reaches the ground.

FLOAT: Yes. Hovering in midair with the help of his ring, Larfleeze can stay up there for twice as long as Peach.

SPECIALS​

Neutral Special: My Corps! You can’t have them!

Larfleeze holds up his lantern from which an orange mist appears, yelling “Serve me, my Corps!” with slight startlag. This can be interrupted during the startlag. This mist then coalesces into one of three forms, depending on how long it’s been since it was last used. If Larfleeze hasn’t used it yet this match, the time from the beginning of the match will be used instead. Regardless of who is summoned, they have four jumps and take no knockback, like Larfleeze’s other constructs. And yes, if these guys KO someone, an orange construct will still appear.

If it’s been five seconds or less since it was last used, Larfleeze summons Glomulus.


Glomulus is gluttonous, but small, being about as tall as a Pikmin counting the head leaf stalk thing. All this little guy can do, aside from constantly muttering “MINEminemineMINE!” with manic glee, is attach himself to a foe and bite down once per second, dealing 3% and flinch. Glomulus can be knocked off at half normal grab difficulty. Fairly useless, unless Larfleeze takes advantage of that brief flinch or the time taken to shake off the little guy. Larfleeze can have five of these guys out at once, which helps make them more useful. Still, their measly 10 HP means they won’t be around for long.

Should the elapsed time be any time from 5 to 19 seconds, Gretti will be summoned instead.


Gretti, who’s about as tall as Peach, tends to fire thin beams of orange energy, dealing 10% and flinch. These beams are pretty quick, and he’ll fire one every time he sees a target. He has 20 HP, though, so he’ll fall fairly easily. That is, if he didn’t have his own shield identical to Larfleeze’s, which he’ll use if someone starts focusing on him. However, he’s kinda dumb with it and will hold it until it breaks if the attacker doesn’t go away. He takes the usual shieldbreak stun, giving the attacker an easy way to deplete his HP. Okay, maybe he is easy to deal with, especially since this is a 3v1. Larfleeze can have two of them out, however, increasing their usefulness.

If Larfleeze can hold off for the whole 20 seconds or longer, he summons this monstrosity:


The big one, not the lizard dude. Seriously, Blume is huge, the size of a Smart Bomb radius. Is it any wonder that when he bites down, the foe takes 30% damage with strong knockback? Unfortunately, he’s slow. Ganondorf walking outspeeds this guy. But he’s solid, so trying to go around him is very tricky. He’s big enough that the foe can’t dodge past him, so their best bet is to deplete his 50 HP.

Side Special: Get away from my things!

Larfleeze aims his ring as a faint orange outline of a wall appears in front of him. The wall is about the width of a Smoke Ball and is two Ganondorfs tall. Holding the input allows Larfleeze to direct where this wall goes with the control stick, but it won’t become solid until the input is released. If someone hits Larfleeze before he releases the input, the attack is interrupted and has no effect. If a foe is where the wall is when it forms, the foe will be pushed away, damageless.

The wall is completely solid and has a good 70 HP. It also can’t be dodged past and only Larfleeze or a construct can grab onto the top. Obviously, most characters can jump over this, but it’s still a difficult obstacle that gives Larfleeze plenty of warning when someone is coming for him from that direction. Larfleeze can only have one wall out at a time.

Up Special: Give me that!

Larfleeze, shouting the titular phrase, sends an orange tentacle with a claw at the end out of his ring. This tentacle homes in on the nearest ledge, item, or character and grabs onto it. From there, the effect depends on what was grabbed. If it was a ledge, this works like a typical tether recovery. If an item, the tentacle brings the item straight to Larfleeze. This can even grab items right out of a character’s hands; if a character holding an item is the closest grabbable thing, the item is the thing grabbed. And if it’s a character, Larfleeze pulls the character towards him and then footstools off of them. Not used for recovery much, but it’s not as if Larfleeze needs more recovery, right? That last effect can really mess up a character trying to recover in midair.

Down Special: Mine!

Larfleeze charges this move by holding the input, his ring sparking with orange energy as he does. He can charge this indefinitely, although he likely won’t need to. When the input is released, Larfleeze will release a burst of orange energy in the shape of the Orange Lantern symbol. The size starts at one BFP in diameter at no charge and adds a BFP for each second of charge.

So what does this do? All items (except the Smash Ball or Dragoon pieces), minions, Assist Trophies, Pokémon, or traps within the radius of or touching the symbol gains an orange glow and immediately become Larfleeze’s. All items will only work properly for Larfleeze or his constructs, with varying effects depending on what type of item (more on that in the spoiler). All minions, Assist characters, and non-playable Pokémon become aligned to Larfleeze, even attacking/affecting their previous master.

Spoiler

Explosive items work normally for Larfleeze or his constructs, but when anyone else gets close enough to pick it up, the item will explode. This includes Blast Boxes. The exception is the Bob-omb, which when hit by the orange glow will begin walking towards any foe it sees. It will not detonate until it either hits someone, gets hit by something, or walks off an edge. Healing items will hurt anyone consuming them that isn’t avarice-aligned for the amount that they would have been healed by. Transformation items, such as Mushrooms, Franklin Badges, or Metal Boxes simply won’t work for anyone that isn’t Larfleeze or his lackeys. Things like Timers or Lightning Bolts will only slow/shrink/whatever everyone that isn’t drawing on orange energy.

Obviously, this is a horrifying move against minion or trap characters. The loss of items isn’t a huge blow compared to what happens to squishy summoners and trapsters lacking in other options. The auto-detonations can really mess people up, though.


Jab: Try to take my things, will you?

Larfleeze swings his lantern in front of him for 5% damage and mild knockback. As if that wasn’t enough, if Larfleeze hits a construct or a wall with this, he’ll suck health from them equal to the damage that would have been done, with no knockback or flinch. This applies to the remaining Standards, as well as any Aerials involving the lantern as a weapon. Larfleeze just repeats the Jab with the repeated input. One consolation to this Jab is that the knockback is usually enough to knock foes away from the next Jab. Plus, this is a fairly slow Jab.

Yes, this is a strong jab from me. But it's a 3v1, I figure some rules can be bent, right?

Dash Attack: You will be mine!

Larfleeze swings the lantern once again, propelled by his momentum. This deals 7% damage but moderate knockback. Has enough endlag at the end to discourage careless use.

Forward Tilt: Keep away from my hoard!

Attaching the lantern to a chain of avarice energy, Larfleeze swings the lantern in front of him. This has no effect on a foe right next to him, but a foe about half a BFP in front of him will experience 9% damage and minor knockback. A quick move for attacking approachers.

Up Tilt: Thought you could sneak up on me, huh?

Using the same orange chain from the FTilt, Larfleeze flings the lantern straight up and smacks a foe directly above him. This obviously discourages aerial assaults, since this is as quick as the FTilt. Damage and knockback are exactly the same, too.

Down Tilt: I see you down there!

That orange chain makes yet another appearance as Larfleeze sweeps the ground on either side of him with the chained lantern. This only deals 5% and mild knockback. Kind of slow as well, for a tilt anyway.


Side Smash: You will suffer for taking what’s mine!

Larfleeze fires a thick stake of orange energy from his ring. If this hits a foe, it impales the foe and stays there for twice as long as it was charged for. The initial hit deals 10% damage with moderate knockback, with another 5% for each second the stake remains in the victim. Additionally, while the stake remains in the foe, the foe’s movement and knockback is halved, including attacks. A good option for racking damage, since they’re a lot harder to KO while the stake’s in them.

An added effect, however, is that if this hits a construct, this will heal them for 10 HP without slowing them.

Up Smash: I will destroy you for this!

Larfleeze forms a large orange fist about the size of a Bumper and propels it straight up, dealing a whopping 15-25% and heavy knockback. Larfleeze’s best KO option short of Blume. This will also heal a construct for 15-25 HP if it connects with said construct.

Down Smash: I have a right to protect my stuff!

Larfleeze points his ring at the ground in front of him, with orange mist forming on the ground on either side of him. The mist will cover a BFP in total at no charge, with three BFPs at full charge. When the input is released, the mist seeps into the ground. Half a second later, orange spikes will sprout from the ground very quickly, smashing foes upwards for 15% damage and moderate knockback. In addition, the spikes stick around afterwards for three times the charge time, dealing normal spike damage and knockback. More damage racking, yay!

Also, constructs aren’t healed by this, but neither are they affected; they can just walk right through the spikes.


Neutral Aerial: Get off of me!

Larfleeze releases a burst of orange energy all around him. This is very short-range, really only affecting foes right next to him, but it does a good 10% damage with moderate knockback. This will heal any constructs hit for 10 HP.

Front Aerial: Take that!

Larfleeze swings his lantern overhead, spiking a foe in front of him down to the ground. This deals 5% damage and is pretty slow. As previously noted, this attack will drain HP from a construct if hit.

Back Aerial: No you don’t!

Spinning with lantern in hand, Larfleeze smacks a foe behind him with the lantern, dealing 13% damage and moderate knockback. A strong attack that turns Larfleeze around, but the beginning is telegraphed and is slow besides. Plus, there’s quite a bit of endlag involved, so using this carelessly is easily punished. As usual, hitting a construct with this will drain HP.

Up Aerial: No one steals from me!

Larfleeze creates an orange platform above him, which then flies upwards at Mario’s dash speed. This does no damage, but can easily carry a foe above the blast zone if they’re high enough.

Down Aerial: Feel my power!

Pointing his ring downwards, Larfleeze fires a beam of orange energy straight down to the ground, slowing his fall until the attack ends. About the width of a Ray Gun shot, the beam will deal up to 10 flinching hits of 2% damage very quickly; to put in in perspective, the attack only lasts a fourth of a second. As usual, this will heal constructs hit. Moderate start and end lag, so not to be used carelessly.


Grab: There’s no escape from me!

In a fairly normal tether grab, Larfleeze extends an orange tendril about the size of ZSS’s whip, which snares a foe and brings them to Larfleeze, still bound. Mildly slow. Larfleeze can grab constructs with this, except for Glomulus, who’s too small, and Blume, who’s too big.

Pummel: Suffer, interloper!

Larfleeze makes orange energy flow through the tendril to the foe as long as he holds the input or until the foe gets free, dealing 3% damage per second. If he has a construct, he can drain health from the construct at the same rate; the constructs won’t bother trying to escape, so he can potentially drain quite a bit of health this way.

Forward Throw: Enough games!

Larfleeze throws the foe forward for a fairly boring throw, dealing 11% damage. If it’s a construct he’s snared, he just releases the construct in front of him. This deals no damage to the construct.

Back Throw: Feh, you’re not worth my time.

Larfleeze dumps the foe behind him in the worst throw ever, dealing a pathetic 2%. Similarly, constructs are simply positioned behind him and then released.

Up Throw: What is it you Earthers say? “Pull”?

Larfleeze uses the tendril to toss the foe straight up one BFP, then blasts the foe with orange power, dealing 7% damage and knocking the foe up and slightly forwards. Larfleeze will likely never KO with this throw; this is more useful for getting a foe up into the air. Constructs are tossed in the air as usual, but are healed by and take no knockback from the beam.

Down Throw: Haha! Suffer, intruder!

Using orange energy, Larfleeze sticks stakes through the foe’s feet, leaving them stuck there, unable to move, for two seconds. Foes can still attack and take no knockback from anything short of a Final Smash while stuck. This is a good option if there are constructs nearby: pin the foe and let the damage be racked. Larfleeze does the same to constructs, but the constructs aren’t pinned and are healed by 1 HP.



Power Levels 100,000%

Larfleeze puts the ring to his lantern, recharging it to a full 100,000%, and then unleashes a ton of orange power in an unavoidable blast that covers the screen. Initially, the beam will deal 20% flinchless damage to all foes, in addition to completely healing all constructs out. However, which constructs are out has an effect on the Smash, since at the end of the Smash, a Glomulus, Gretti, and Blume all come out of the lantern if there isn’t already at least one of each out. If a Glomulus is already out, an extra 5% damage and flinch are added to the blast; if a Gretti is out, an extra 10% and minor knockback are added; if a Blume, then an extra 25% and high knockback. This stacks, by the by, but has no effect on the healing of constructs. All in all, a sufficiently devastating Final Smash.


Larfleeze revolves around KOing foes at just the right moment. Since he gets an extra minion whenever he KOs someone, you might think that he’d just want to KO indiscriminately, and that might be okay to start with, since Larfleeze’s corps is small to start with and he could use all the help he can get. But he wants to have as much HP on the new constructs as possible, which means damage racking. Larfleeze has several options for that, however, including his own summoned minions, the Forward and Down Smashes, and his tilts and aerials. The Down Throw is also key here.

Overall, Larfleeze is a good camper, with his corps, walls, and ability to ruin other people’s traps and minions. That really is the key to Larfleeze’s successful camping: he doesn’t have to worry about what the foe’s up to on the other side, since one well-charged Down Special makes it his. The walls help play keepaway, giving Larfleeze the needed charge time for the Down Special or a Blume. Plus Larfleeze’s ability to summon spikes via Down Special, which gives him plenty of opportunity to blast the foe away with his few but effective antiair options. Heck, he can even heal himself using his minions, making it so that the few attacks that get through are healed off if not capitalized on quickly.

On the other hand, Larfleeze can gimp pretty darn well, what with his excellent recovery allowing him to get back to the stage from almost anywhere. His walls, if aimed well enough, can ruin a recovering foe from across the stage; alternatively, he can footstool off a foe with the Up Special and use the Down Aerial to mess them up further if necessary. Larfleeze is good in the air, and it shows. Engaging him in the air is probably a bad idea.

In short, Larfleeze has options. He can create a veritable fortress and let his corps do the dirty work for him, or he can hunt foes down and punish them for daring to steal from him. Or both, creating a fortress to rack damage and then emerging for the kill.


Up Taunt: Mine! It’ll all be MINE!
Basically just that: Larfleeze yells the above, grasping his lantern greedily.

Side Taunt: You want it? You can’t have it!

Dangling his lantern in front of him, Larfleeze yanks away the lantern as he shouts the titular phrase.

Down Taunt: Yum!

Larfleeze pulls out a piece of meat of some alien creature and eats it, burping afterwards. If you look closely, you’ll see flies around the meat, indicating the likely age of the stuff. Not that Larfleeze cares, mind you.

Idle Animations: Larfleeze clutches his lantern to his chest, crouching slightly as he does. He’ll occasionally stroke the lantern, muttering “Mine…” as he does.

On-screen Appearance: Larfleeze touches down from the sky, an orange aura around him.

Symbol: The aforementioned symbol of the Orange Lantern Corps. I don’t think I need to tell you the default color.

Upon Selection (Wiimote): A throaty, greedy chuckle from Larfleeze. “It’ll all be mine!”

Kirby Hat: Kirby gets Larfleeze’s fur and tusks, in addition to his Up Special.

Victory Pose: Mine.

Larfleeze cradles the weapons and armor of the losers and with obvious glee mutters “MINE.”

Loss Pose: NO!

“No! It was supposed to be mine! MINE! Give me it!” It’s unclear what exactly Larfleeze is referring to, but the tantrum is fairly pathetic.

Alternate Costumes: All the alternatives keep their orange, with only the black portions of the uniform changing to green, blue, red, white, or yellow.

Snake Codec:

Otacon: Snake, be extremely careful!
Snake: Of what, the pig?
Otacon: Larfleeze is no joke. That ring on his finger harnesses the power of avarice in the form of solid energy. That lantern he carries keeps it constantly charged. And those others with him? They’re the forms of people he’s killed, animated with avarice power and loyal to him. He literally has millions of people in there, so if he decides he wants you…
Snake: Got it. I’ll be careful. Any chance I could keep the ring, though?
Otacon: I’d advise against that.
Snake: Drat.

Trophy:
Larfleeze: Larfleeze is the sole wielder of the orange light of avarice. For every person he’s killed using that power, an orange energy duplicate of the person appears, loyal only to him and consumed with greed. A deadly enemy who takes what he wants, when he wants.

Power Levels 100,000%: When Larfleeze recharges his ring, look out! A great blast of orange energy covers the screen, completely healing his corps and possibly summoning more minions to augment his forces.

BKupa666 said:

ATHENA
Much to no one's surprise, Kat has cooked up an opening day set to greet us all. Athena's instant KO mechanics are not as incredibly deal-breaking as they may seem conceptually, since it's not an easy process to score said KO. In addition, at times, it seems more as though the lethal gas is a fear-mongering threat, meant to coerce foes into rashly using their shield, opening up opportunities for Athena to capitalize by stoning them. The dynamic set up with the spheres, and how Athena has methods for toying with foes in and outside them is another welcome inclusion. All that said, I'm sure I'm not the first, and won't be the last, to tell you that inputs like U-Throw are not the place to include massive, game-changing snakes, the same applying to the D-Air pits to hell. Though I feel the sphere usage and manipulation flows somewhat between each KO method, I can agree with FRoy that some of the attacks do so in a needlessly complicated manner, D-Smash most specifically. Hopefully my assessment that Athena is a base off of which better sets can be built doesn't come off as broken record drivel, because last contest is living proof that you have the ability to build these sets.

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Hmmmm. It seems as if my "A" Opening sets always provide me with some kind of lesson regarding things -not- to do in the future, and here that's making non-specials special....or at least introduce extreme gameplay elements within those moves. That said, the idea was a bit flawed from the beginning when I couldn't play off it that well with the other inputs and had to resort to the extremes witnessed. I guess having more focus on one better idea would be better for a future set. While it wasn't an ambitious project, I can't help but get stuck up on the reception of this one set and let it question what I've been doing as of now with my movesetting....

That said, some of complaints directed to Athena feel more like nitpicks. I don't even know how the set ranks up, but given I'm usually aware of how good a set of mine is while I'm doing it probably not that good.


[collapse="Larfleeze"]A very interesting character choice I couldn't help getting into the moment I saw it. Some very good emphasis on the character which instantly stands out from your previous sets, and highlighting all words to do with orange or Larfleeze directly is a first - along with having the attack titles be phrases this guy sounds like he'd say. Creating constructs from dead foes definitely sounds frightening, though I can't help but think even then he's still a bit underpowered for the kind of game mode he's supposed to be used in - heck, it sounds as if fighting him in 1v1 would be more convenient than 3v1! To be fair I'm only judging his stats however, and he does have some good aerial ability like Garble. Not to mention the fact that Larfleeze can take take take take everything from the enemy, their traps, items and whatever: this is one 3v1 boss who sounds as if he'd actually be fun to play with items on. No one person or their objects are safe from Larfleeze.

This came pretty close to being your best set for me, but the bland nature of most the standards sort of takes from what could have been a more frightening atmosphere for such a powerful villain, causing most of the set to just fizzle out after the Specials minus the construct interactions, which are actually pretty decent. And the more I realize that Larfleeze can do, the more I think that he's not that underpowered when how powerful he is generally depends on what he manages to take from the foe - perhaps you were going for that approach for balancing instead of already giving Larfleeze a lot, but...

This is a very interesting to imagine in various situations overall, if perhaps could have been better with a few more interesting attacks and interactions to go with what Larfleeze has...like further protection or empowerment of what's his, perhaps?[/collapse]

Arche Kraine

This is a very low-key remastering, but I guess that was the goal. The changes to her sidebar stats were humorous, and the new spells gave her a bit more depth than she had before.

The change to her spell charge mechanic seems like an improvement in discoverability, but not being able to air dodge or shield without blowing a charged spell seems like an overall nerf. I really think that another way to release a charged spell might be better. Perhaps double-tapping?

Her flight mode still seems to make her weaknesses and strengths more pronounced. She can't go very high at all and one hit can be fatal in the wrong spot. I think it might be better if she had truly free flight, but started descending until she got closer to the ground. That would solve the sudden change in rules when offstage and give her more if a rhythm to her fighting, instead of simply completely anihilating characters with no anti-air capacity and being destroyed in turn by characters with flexible projectiles or good air games like Luvia.

The spells themselves are hard to judge, as she is basically in-character magic syndrome, and mentally holding all her spells together for judging is difficult. You're smart enough to avoid lockdown or other things that would make her too strong though or let her avoid her key weakness, that weakness just still seems a bit too debilitating.

Larfleeze

I'm not a fan of movesets that function as 3v1 bosses exclusively, it feels more like an extra to me than a stand-alone moveset, but a fun extra nonetheless. I prefer it as an alternate mode, and as Katapultar points out, his mechanic might in fact be more balanced in one on one fights because he has less to take.

And you really hit the concept of greed off with the mechanic. The risk-reward of keeping opponents to torture longer so you can reap more rewards is a perfect use of greed as a playstyle concept. A player needs to balance the choice of immediate gratification and long-term greed and avoid letting his own greediness destroy him.

At least, that's what the concept is, but in practice it turned out to be mostly damage-racking, and didn't offer him really much as far as options went for how quickly to KO.

He's also pretty weak, he's light, has no method to mitigate combos from opponents and his attacks aren't terribly threatening. 3v1 bosses generally need some way to lockdown opponents or otherwise prevent them from rushing him down so fast that he can't react, and Larfleeze just has a smattering of pretty unimpressive melee attacks. He's a lantern for crying out loud, but he hits like a chump.

I love that he is stronger the more enemies be has though and the trade offs of greed the player has to consider, but they're never developed enough. And honestly, the way the set is now, I think he'd be legitimately playable in 1v1.

MYM13? IT'S MINE!

Larfleeze is a good start to your contest here WoMF, as it is clearly your best set so far and the first I would really call "good" in any normal caliber, not to sound rude: Azula was kinda bad and Doomsday was improvement. Calvin and Hobbes was...yeah.

Larfleeze starts out with a pretty neat mechanic in his ability to create constructs when the foe dies, with a great little twist that makes it quite cool, which is the fact that the constructs have exactly as much as HP as the foe's % when they died: Because of this, Larfleeze actually wants the foe to last a long time, as it creates a very powerful construct. In particular, it means heavier characters are at a disadvantage, as Larfleeze can beat on them and their large survival will simply allow Larfleeze to create a huge HP construct...and lighter characters are also at a disadvantage, as their being more easily KO'd means it's easier to get out more constructs! Larfleeze loves having it all.

And along with this comes a pretty solid playstyle, which forms primarily in the grabs and specials: Larfleeze's corps and taking a while is a good idea and the wall is especially fun, although it definitely could be developed more, given he's a Lanturn and all. The tilts and aerials are a tad generic in this context, although I do like how he can heal himself or constructs, and I feel like doing more there would be the key to making this set a true contender, especially since as a 3v1 set, Larfleeze is a bit weak early on, though I disagree with DM that it's because a 3v1 set /needs/ to trap at least one person(And he can sort of do this via D-Throw anyway).

Still, the moveset has some solid stuff, but I feel another thing that would really improve this set is discussing the possibilities of how the moves might flow and interact, most notably with the wall: One of my favorite things with this set is to summon Blume on one side and a wall on the other, creating a deadly and hard to escape situation for the foe due to their solidness and Larfleeze's ability to even keep the foe there for a bit via D-Throw, maybe throwing in a Glomulus or two to try and help out. The only way out for the foe is up...where your other KO move, Up Smash, lies. It's pretty neat. The ability to help from the wall or hide behind Blume and heal him is also pretty neat.

Larfleeze is a bit weak, though it is slightly made up by the snowball nature of his constructs: One construct makes it easier to KO other people who are damaged racked which creates more constructs and so on. I also disagree that Larfleeze works as a 1v1 set, mostly because while Larfleeze is a bit weak as a 3v1, Larfleeze is pretty obviously broken as a 1v1 set. Due to his mechanic + The ability to summon Blume + the wall at all.

Some stuff I would suggest: Expanding on move descriptions some, perhaps to describe some uses of the move behind just "quick attack", though don't push it if you can't think of anything, 3v1 bosses can be flashier and thus probably some more oomph from the standards and to keep the centerpiece of the set in mind, as Larfleeze could have one some other interesting things with the constructs: Perhaps a Special Pummel that allowed him to drain stuff other than health from the constructs?

All the same, Larfleeze is good, but only that: good. This still represents a great improvement for you though, WoMf. Keep commenting, making sets, learning, and you'll break through eventually.

In celebration of the long awaited release of Guild Wars 2, I give you...

The Thief​

From the darkened alleyways of Divinity's Reach to the merchant ships of Lion's Arch, thieves can be found all around Tyria, hiding in the shadows and waiting for the right moment to strike. And now that the dragon Zhaitan has risen from beneath waves and brought the sunken continent of Orr up with him, that moment appears to be getting closer with every passing second. This battle tournament is the perfect opportunity to make your name known and feared across the world. Do you fight for fortune or legacy? For others or for yourself? It is your decision to claim; you are the thief.

What is your story?



Stats:
Size: 7/10
Weight: 4/10
Jumping: 6/10
Falling speed: 5/10
Walk speed: 7/10
Run speed: 8/10
Power: 4/10




Unique Mechanics

Backstab - Thieves tend to avoid tackling combat head-on; a sneakier method is a often preferable choice. As such, they have perfected the art of attacking from behind. Whenever Thief attacks someone from behind, the amount of damage he deals is instantly doubled. Melee or ranged, moveset or item, it doesn't matter; as long as a hit from the Thief strikes the enemy from behind, double damage is applied. Area of effect attacks that engulf the entire character, like explosions, do not count unless the point of origin is clearly behind the opponent and the back half is fully enveloped before the front.

For simplicity's sake, all moves below will state the base damage of the attack from the front and any "Backstab damage" will be included separately afterward.

Better watch your back, or The Thief will do it for you!




"What are a thief's greatest weapons? One might say it is the concealable dagger. Another, the powerful sword. A third, the ranged pistol. These thieves all have one thing in common. They are stone-cold dead, rotting in some putrid gutter. Because they trusted too much in their handy tools, they found themselves in a situation they could not slash their way out of. Subterfuge, trickery, sleight of hand; THESE are a thief's greatest weapons. Always remember that with any plan, the single most important thing you must consider at all times is how you plan to get out of it with your head still intact."

Special Attacks:

Neutral Special: Dancing Dagger - With a quick flick of the wrist, a curved throwing dagger appears in The Thief's hand, the blade tightly held between two of his fingers. The blade is serrated and the handle ornately designed, so there is no mistaking this weapon. In one fluid motion, the Thief flicks his wrist outward. The dagger flies from his hand in a straight line, twirling quickly through the air like a pinwheel. After traveling several character lengths, the small knife arc around horizontally (all visual, with no change to the dagger's altitude) and flies back into the The Thief's waiting hand, ready to strike its next victim.

The Dancing Dagger is a very special item unique to the Thief. With one press of the Neutral Special button, Thief produces the dagger in his hand. From this point on, the dagger operates like any other item in terms of combat. Pressing the Neutral (or Arial) Standard button will have Thief throw the small knife straight ahead of them. The distance it travels is comparable to Link's boomerang. Connecting with an enemy will not stop or even slow the dagger down in it's path, so it is possible to hit multiple enemies, or one enemy more than once, effectively "dancing" between targets.

However, the Dancing Dagger can be interrupted and will fall to the ground if it collides with a solid wall or if it fails to return to The Thief's hand. While the returning arc will change to match the Thief's location if he moves after the initial throw, it is not guided back to his hand automatically. Additionally, if Thief gets hit as the dagger is supposed to return to his hand, it will fail to connect. If the Dancing Dagger falls off the edge of the stage, The Thief can call another in with Neutral Special. If it lands on the ground, however, it is free game and any other player can wield it and use it as The Thief does.

But don't despair! The Thief has one last trick up his sleeve. The Dancing Dagger holds a surprise that can be initiated by The Thief pressing the Neutral Special button a second time while the Dancing Dagger is on screen. The blade will drop off harmlessly and fall off the screen, while the handle bursts open into a blast of Blinding Powder! While the small cloud of dust does no damage, lasts half a second, and is only large enough to effect someone right next to the dagger, it will cause anyone hit by it to endure a stunned condition (as if struck by a Deku Nut), lasting nearly 3 seconds, leaving them open to attack. Anyone includes The Thief, however, so be careful you don't trigger it on yourself. This Blinding Powder attack can be used any time the Dancing Dagger is visible; in the air, on the ground, or even when it is being held. Once the Blinding Powder is over, another Dancing Dagger can be produced.

The Dancing Dagger deals 5% damage (10% Backstab), with low Knockback unless opponent damage is in the triple digits, allowing a better chance for the dagger to strike an opponent twice (leaving and returning). As stated, the Blinding Powder does no damage and offers no knockback. Since a character cannot be stunned in mid-air, getting hit with Blinding Powder in the air will cause the target to lose all forward momentum and fall straight downward.


Forward Special: Steal - Yeah, this is pretty much required if you are going to be a thief. Upon triggering the Steal maneuver, the shadows beneath The Thief's body will rise up and envelop him, turning his body into a dark silhouette. Then The Thief dashes forward at an impossible speed, leaving inky afterimages behind him as he moves. Within only a few frames, he travels about 1/3 the length of Final Destination, coming to a grinding halt with little additional momentum. The afterimages fade quickly and The Thief is able to move and attack again the second he stops moving, with virtually no delay.

Steal brings to mind the Fox Illusion in terms of look and feel, but with few other similarities. While preforming the move, The Thief has knockback immunity and will complete his quick move regardless of being hit. The attack produces virtually no knockback, although it does cause the opponent to flinch. It can be used in the air, but only once before landing again; however it does allow for additional recovery moves afterward. Once the move has been initiated, the thief will travel in the direction he is facing. But if control stick is held in the opposite direction at during the move, The Thief will flip 180 degrees when coming to a halt with no additional delay.

Of course, the move's main mechanic is the ability to actually steal from the opponent. If an enemy hit by Steal is holding an item, The Thief will simply snatch it out of their hands and claim it himself. Simple as that! This can be used regardless of how it is used; he can steal regular item weapons like beam swords, weapons in constant use like the hammer, or weapons that summon like the assist trophies prior to breaking open. If he steals from an enemy using a recovery item, the enemy immediately stops recovering health and Thief recovers the rest. If he steals from someone turned invincible from a star, The Thief steals the invincibility as well. He can even steal the Final Smash aura from someone who broke the Smash Ball! Basically, if an item giveth, the Thief can taketh away.

If The Thief attempts to steal from someone who is not holding an item, no problem! The Thief has no qualms about simply producing an environmental one. Upon attempting a steal on an unarmed opponent, he will get an item based on the enemy's "universe". For instance, stealing from Mario could produce a fire flower, while stealing from Pikachu could create a Pokeball. Characters with no associated items would produce a random Smash-specific item (like a fan). Some limitations apply on large recovery items like hearts or powerful items like hammers, but all other items are fair game, including character specific items (stealing vegetables from Peach).

Steal has one more additional factor: if Thief is holding an item while he Steals from an opponent, he will place the item he is holding in the enemy's hands. He can exchange items he doesn't have any use for (like an empty ray gun) or plant a potentially deadly item (such as a bomb-omb ready to explode). He can also accidentally gave an enemy a powerful item, so he has to be mindful of what he is holding. He cannot give away recovery health, invincibility or Final Smash aura like he steals it, though.

Steal deals just 3% damage (6% Backstab), with virtually no knockback whatsoever. Since he can come out of the move turned 180 degrees around, this allows him to keep enemies where he wants them so he can use his new weapons on them quickly. Steal cannot be used right after itself; if Steal is tried again within 3 seconds after being used, there will be a delay equal to the number of second left on that countdown while Thief is being consumed in shadow. After the 3 seconds are up, initiating the move will become instantaneous again.


Up Special: Shadowstep - Master of the shadows, The Thief knows the art of traveling in the darkness. The Thief will clasp his hand together and squat down low. Black shadowy smoke will begin to plume around him, enveloping his body. Then in a flash, The Thief will disappear into the darkness. Just as quickly as he was gone, he will reappear in another location. Popping out of thin shadow, The Thief will spin his daggers around in a circle, before landing crouched on the ground. His daggers will leave long shadowy slices in the air as they cut through the darkness.

Shadowstep is divided into two parts: the preparation and the actual Shadowstep. When the Thief uses Shadowstep, a small shadowy ball will appear above his head. This is the "preparation"; at this point, you control the shadow ball, moving it around the stage in any direction as long as the Special button is held. It acts as a marker, and can pass through any environment, including characters and solid ground. It cannot be interfered with or interrupted by any characters or attacks. Once the Special Button is released, The Thief will vanish from his current location and instantly reappear at the markers location with almost no delay of travel. This is the "actual Shadowstep". If the shadow is inside solid ground (or any other space The Thief could not conceivably occupy) when the Special button is released, the move will be cancelled.

The Thief can be dealt damage and knocked around while controlling the shadow, but will always preform the actual shadowstep regardless of interruption when the button is released. If The Thief is KO'd off screen before the button is released, the shadow cloud simply dissipates and the move is obviously canceled. Since there is small animation delay between releasing the Special button and The Thief fully vanishing, there is a small window where he can be KO'd between the preparation and when the actual Shadowstep is performed.

When used on the ground, the Thief will duck low the floor during preparation and jump a few a foot or so into the air to preform the actual Shadowstep. When he reappears, he will be in the air, even if it is only a foot off the ground. He will spin around attacking with his daggers in a circle around his body before landing. If used in the air, The Thief will hunch his body in a small area while preparing to Shadow step. When the button is released, he will twirl around, spinning the shadows like a cloak of mist before vanishing. While falling during preparation, The Thief's fall speed will be cut in half as long as he is hunched; if he is hit or otherwise disturbed during preparation and knocked out of his hunch, he will regain his usual fall speed.

Shadowstep only deals damage when The Thief reappears and attacks with his daggers, dealing 7% damage (14% Backstab) to anyone in the immediate vicinity. It has moderate knockback potential, can KO at 125% damage, and it can be used to Meteor Smash if The Thief appears right above an enemy.


Down Special: Cloak And Dagger - Disappearing in shadows is a handy trick, but true thieves can vanish right in plain sight. The Thief takes this to heart and can disappear right in front of his enemies' very eyes. With no fanfare to be seen, The Thief simply fades from sight, becoming indistinguishable from the environment around him. Only faint glimmers of movement can give him away, but careful planning can leave him completely unnoticeable until he strikes. The cloak will end when he attacks, but by then it is too late for his unsuspecting prey.

Since moving around undetected is vital to The Thief's success, his cloak has to be up to the task of keeping him hidden. When Cloak and Dagger is used, The Thief quickly fades into the background, becoming completely unnoticeable. There is no additional animations or shadowy indicators; he just fades into invisibility. This move can even be performed while he is moving, allowing him to slip into hiding without having to stop his current progression of actions. Once fully cloaked, every aspect of him is invisible; he leaves no shadows, no foot prints, no dust when jumping or running. Any items he holds turn invisible with him and any HUD indicators of his presence (like player name) vanish as well. It is as if he simply ceases to be.

While walking, crawling, jumping, falling, dodging, or just standing still, The Thief maintains this total invisibility. However, when he runs, dashes, taunts, or double-jumps, he will produce a slight glimmer of an outline around himself (similar to cloaking device or Clear Brawl). Performing a Down Special attack again while Cloaked will result in The Thief tossing a small dagger out in front of him gently. It only travels 10 feet from his body and deals just 1% damage, but it won't break the stealth and since the dagger will be visible, it can be a visual cue for the player of Thief's location.

The cloaking effect can be broken in three ways. Performing an attack as stated above (with the exception of the previously mentioned dagger toss), getting hit with an attack (whether you take damage or not), and spending 20 seconds cloaked without meeting either of the two previous conditions. Once the cloak has been broken, the move goes into a cooldown period where it cannot be used again. The cooldown period lasts for 7-15 seconds, depending on how close to enemies The Thief is; the more distance between him and his opponents, the faster the cooldown timer goes. His damage icon will be greyed out while Cloak And Dagger is in cooldown and will return to normal when he can cloak again.

Another notable exception when cloaked is using Shadowstep. The Thief will remain in stealth mode during preparation and will only break stealth when the actual Shadowstep happens. Even the shadow cloud marker will be cloaked, only visible by the faint shimmer of quick movement. Additionally, Caltops and Needle Trap can be also be used without breaking stealth mode.

Cloak And Dagger deals no damage by itself when The Thief moves in and out of stealth. His attacks are not strengthened or weakened when used while cloaked either. The Dagger Toss that can be used without breaking stealth deals 1% damage (2% Backstab) with very minimal knockback.




"What is small of blade is not small of potential. The dagger will provide you all the leverage you need when you are close to your target. What about when you are not close to your target, I hear you ask? Well, if someone knows they are your target before you have gotten close to them, I dare say that you have already failed."

Standard Attacks:

Neutral Attack: Double Strike, Wild Strike, Lotus Strike - The Thief produces two sharp daggers from within the depths of his sleeves and strikes twice, once with a stabbing motion and another with an upward slice. Then he performs a shoulder-level horizontal slash that spins the enemy around. Finally, he performs a powerful diagonal gash that scatters lotus leaves after it connects.

Double Strike deals 2% damage per hit (4% Backstab), Wild Strike deals 3% damage (6% Backstab), and Lotus Strike deals 5% Damage (10% Backstab) along with decent knockback strength. Since Wild Strike spins the enemy around 180 degrees, a full combo guarantees some portion of the damage be from behind. Lotus Strike can KO at 160% damage.


Dash Attack: Death Blossom - With The Thief already in full sprint, he digs his heals into the ground and leaps into the air above the enemy's head. The Thief will invert himself so he is upside down and head-to-head with the opponent as he passes over. He will slash outward with his daggers three times as he passes over. He will invert himself again before he lands so he is on his feet. He will also be flipped 180 degrees around to face the direction he came from. He will then deliver one last quick stabbing strike outward with the dagger.

Since the first half of the attack takes place overhead, the aerial portion of Death Blossom does not usually deal Backstab Damage. However, on uneven ground, it is possible for some of the attacks to hit and enemy on their backside. Death Blossom deals 2% damage (4% Backstab) for each of its 3 hits for a total of 6% damage (12% Backstab). The final dagger strike after landing deals 4% damage (8% Backstab) with decent knockback that can KO at 145% damage and is delivered quick enough to allow very little wiggle room to get out of the way after the overhead strikes.


Foward Attack: Heartseeker - The Thief steps forward and drives his dagger into the chest (or spine) of his opponent. He then yanks the blade out with an exaggerated swing to the side. While the attack technically hits twice, only the first deals damage. The other provides the significant knockback.

This attack is meant to seek out an enemy's weak points and capitalize on it. The damage it deals is increased when an opponent is weaker. Heartseeker deals 5%-9% Damage (10%-18% Backstab) depending on how much damage the target has accrued, with the brackets being 0-20%, 21-40%, 51-60%, 61-80%, and >81%. The knockback allows the attack to KO with 150% damage.


Up Attack: Flanking Strike - The Thief will grab his two daggers and slash upwards from different directions, crossing overhead in the middle. Each swing makes a sweeping arc that resembles a pair of scissors closing. Each dagger counts as its own hit and deals its own damage. Getting caught between the daggers like pincers means one would guarantee a hit for backstab damage.

Flanking Strike deals 3% damage for each dagger (6% Backstab). Getting caught in the middle of the two daggers would deal 9% damage. The knockback is not as strong as Heartseeker and will only KO at 175% damage.


Down Attack: Caltrops - The Thief will pull out a handful of tiny caltrops from his pocket. He will then proceed to scatter the sharp spikes in a character-wide area around his feet. The Thief will be unaffected and can walk among his own caltrops without a problem, but anyone else walking across it or landing on it will feel the pain. The caltrops will remain on the ground for 10 seconds or until someone steps on them.

Caltrops deal damage once someone walks across them or lands on them. There is no possibility of backstab damage (even if the opponent falls back-first on them). They deal out 10% damage and will knock enemies straight upward. Caltrops can KO at 160% damage. Caltrops will not break stealth if The Thief is cloaked when he uses it, however the caltrops will be immediately visible and are not cloaked as well.




"Not every battle is avoidable, in which case a short sword will be your closest ally. Most targets are smart enough to know that their lives are more valuable then their gold pouch, but the world is full of people who hold bravery above all other virtues. Of course, bravery is just another word for situational stupidity, but as you might guess, there is no arguing with these kinds of people."

Smash Attacks:

Forward Smash: Infiltrator's Strike - While charging the smash attack, The Thief hunches low and holds a short sword back, ready to slice. Then he suddenly vanishes in a puff of shadowy smoke. Instantaneously, he reappears five feet in front of his previous position, facing the opposite direction. He releases his sword for a strong horizontal swipe, swirling black shadows behind the blade.

Infiltrator's Strike deals 10-15% damage (20-30% Backstab) depending on how long the smash attack is charged and can KO at 120% damage from its knockback. The Thief will not return to his previous position after the attack.


Up Smash: Ambush - The Thief will slice the air above him with his sword, leaving a thin, red horizontal line above his head that will linger for several seconds. If an enemy comes in contact with this line, another thief will leap in from the far side of the screen at high speed and slice along the red line with his own sword before dropping off the other edge of the screen. The Ambush will occur quickly enough to hit whoever triggers the trap before they can leave the line's area.

Ambush deals 9% damage (18% Backstab) consistently. The length of time the line stays active above the Thief's head is 1-4 seconds, depending on how long the smash attack is charged. The move has moderate knockback and can KO at 135%. The "Other Thief" moves very quickly, too quickly to properly react to, but a lucky or carefully pre-planned hit could stop him before he reaches his destination.


Down Smash: Needle Trap - The Thief prepares a vicious needle trap as the smash attack is charged. Once released, the Thief quickly places it on the ground. It is hardly noticeable at first glance, just a small metal plate on the ground. If anyone but The Thief steps on it or lands on it, large needles will shoot straight up, dealing devastating piercing damage and smashing the enemy straight skyward. The Needle Trap will remain on the ground for 10 seconds or until someone steps on it.

Needle Traps deal damage once someone walks across them or lands on them. Like Caltrops, there is no possibility of backstab damage. Needle Trap does 13-17% Damage depending on how long the smash attack is charged (which also determines the size of the needles). It offers strong upward knockback and can KO at 130%. Needle Trap will not break stealth if The Thief is cloaked when he uses it, however the trap will be immediately visible and is not cloaked with The Thief.




"The air is no place for a thief; too many variables and not enough control. Always keep your distance when your feet are not firmly planted on solid ground. This is where ranged weaponry comes in handy, to keep unwanted altercations at bay. And it is hard to argue with the power of a firearm for just such an occasion."

Aerial Attacks:

Neutral Air: Vital Shot - The Thief will reach down and draw a pistol in each hand out of his side holsters. Holding one to each side of him, he will fire one small red-hot bullet from each. The bullet will travel straight ahead for 10 feet before descending to the ground in a downward arc. The Thief will then re-holster his pistols.

Vital Shot deals 5% damage (10% Backstab) and can KO at 200% damage. As with all pistol-related attacks, the bullets will fall to the ground if they do not hit in the air, so they can strike anyone on the ground below. Once the downward arc starts, the bullet loses speed and the amount of damage is lessened to 3% (6% Backstab).


Forward Air: Unload - The Thief will again draw both of his pistols out, but will this time flatten his body like a horizontal board, holding the guns out in front of him. He will then proceed to fire six small bullets (three from each gun) in front of him in rapid succession. The bullets will travel outward for 10 feet before falling to the ground. The Thief will then holster his pistols as he right himself again.

Unload deals 2% damage (4% Backstab) for every bullet, totaling 12% damage (24% Backstab) if they all make contact and can KO at 190% damage. when falling to the ground, the bullets will be reduces to just 1% damage (2% Backstab). If The Thief is hit in the middle of firing his guns, the move will be interrupted and he will stop firing shots.


Backward Air: Cluster Bomb - The Thief will draw one of his pistols with his right hand and swivel around in the air at his waist. He will proceed to fire one larger than normal shot behind him. It will travel straight ahead for 8 feet before exploding into 6 smaller pellets that will cascade outward for another 5 feet before raining to the ground. The Thief will put away his pistol and turn himself back around once he fires the initial shot.

Cluster Bomb has several section that deal different damage. If someone is struck by the Cluster Bomb itself before it splits apart, it will deal 7% Damage (14% Backstab) and the attack will end there. Once it bursts apart, the individual pellets will deal 3% damage each (6% Backstab). Because of the nature of the cluster and how its radius grows after it breaks apart, the chances of getting hit by all six pellets decreases as time goes on. Someone hit at the exact moment of explosion would catch all 6 pellets at once, totalling 18% damage (36% Backstab). As the pellets begin to lose momentum and fall, they will only deal 1% damage (2% Backstab). This move can KO at 175% damage if hit by the main bomb or explosion and 225% if hit by the mini-pellets.


Up Air: Black Powder - The Thief will draw one of his pistols from his holster with his left hand and fire it right above his head. The bullet will fly upward for 5 feet before it bursts open into a cloud of black smoke that expands and lasts for two seconds before dissipating. The Thief will calmly holster his gun again.

Black Powder also has different segments that deal different damage. Getting hit with the smoke bomb before it explodes deals 7% damage (14% Backstab) and once it bursts, getting hit by the smoke deals 4% damage, without possibility of backstab. Black Powder can KO at 210% damage


Down Air: Repeater - The Thief will pull out both of his pistols and do a split in mid-air with his legs. As he does, he will point both of his guns downward and fire them in three different positions. First with each gun at an angle close to his legs, then at a 45 degree angle in both directions, then with both guns straight down. Finally, he will lower his legs and re-holster his guns.

Repeater deals 5% damage (10% Backstab) for each shot. Meant to scatter areas, you can think of the shots going like a clock (if The Thief's legs are raised to 3 and 9), with the first shots being at 4 and 8, the second round being 5 and 7 and then two shots straight down at 6. It will happen quick enough so that not too much ground is gained by momentum after starting the attack and finally shooting straight down. This move can KO at 200% damage.




"Grab hold of your target; not just with your arms, but with fear as well. Always maintain control of the situation and let them know their fate is in your hands and on the tip of your dagger. And when you finally release them, make sure to leave them a reminder of why they shouldn't think about coming after you."

Grab Maneuvers:

Grab/Pummel: Scorpion Wire - The Thief darts his arm out and a wire with a spiked tip shoots out from his sleeve and attempts to hook into the opponents in front of him. If the spiked tip strikes the enemy, it will hook into them and The Thief will yank back on the wire, pulling him into The Thief's grip. The Thief will pull the enemy around and will grapple them from behind, holding a dagger to his throat.

Once The Thief has a hold of his opponent, he can attack his enemy by stabbing them in the back with a second dagger. He can drive the dagger into the opponent's spine a maximum of 4 times before the grip hold is broken. Each stab will deal out 3% damage without extra Backstab damage (since the attack always hits from behind). The wire itself is not as long as Link's Hookshot and cannot be used to ledge grab, but does deal an additional 3% damage (6% Backstab) upon striking.


Forward Throw: Trail of Daggers - The Thief releases his grip on his opponent before spinning around and delivering a powerful kick to their back, sending them flying away at a 45 degree angle. The Thief then flips back around and throws a series of 5 daggers at the enemy in mid air in rapid succession, delivering additional damage and knockback.

Trail of Daggers deals 5% damage from the initial kick (no Backstab damage since it will always strike from behind) followed by 5 throwing daggers for 2% damage (4% Backstab) each. With no interruptions, the move in total will deal 15% damage (25% Backstab), although getting all the knives to strike the back would be a feat of luck. If another character gets in the way of the daggers, they will receive the additional damage and knockback instead.


Backward Throw: Haste - The Thief pivots around on one foot 180 degrees, bringing his gripped enemy with him. Then he proceeds to quickly deliver three quick hits one after another; an upward slice with his dagger, followed by a slice across the back of the neck with the other dagger, finished with a knee to the spine. The final hit is what sends the enemy flying away.

Haste deals 5% damage for each hit, totaling 15% damage. There is no additional Backstab damage since all the hits are delivered from behind by default.


Up Throw: Devourer Venom - The Thief will run his dagger along the inside of his cloak and coat it with a bright green liquid. Then with a powerful upward strike, he will slash upward with the poisoned dagger. The strike will knock the enemy off the ground and toss them straight upward. The Devourer Venom is strong in paralysis, keeping the enemy lying horizontally stiff as a board facing upward for several seconds, after which the paralysis will break.

Devourer Venom deals 10% damage and keeps the enemy lying horizontally face-up through the majority of the throw. This does not typically gain a lot of distance unless at high damage percentages, but opens the enemy for an additional upward strike with an easily prone backside.


Down Throw: Thieves Guild - The Thief will slam the enemy to the ground face-down and hold them there, sitting on their back. From behind the Thief, wisps of shadow begin to bloom as additional hooded thieves appear out of nowhere and begin to beat the pinned enemy up dealing a flurry of blows. Then additional thieves will vanish into the shadows as quickly as they appeared. The Thief will then stand up and kick the enemy sharply in the ribs, which will then act to send them flying outward.

Thieves Guild deals 1% damage for every blow the additional thieves deliver for 12% total. The kick to the ribs will deal an additional 4% damage. Do to the nature of the attack, there is no opportunity for Backstab damage. The thieves can be beaten away in the middle of the attack by dealing 10% damage to each, but they deliver the series of strikes fairly quickly, leaving little room for interruption.




"Finally, when you are backed into a corner, when all other options have been thoroughly exhausted, and when you just need a plan to escape...never underestimate the value of chaos and panic that can be forcibly conjured from a hailstorm of daggers."

Final Smash

Dagger Storm - Once the Smash Ball has been obtained and the move initiated, a short cut-scene will take place where The Thief will flick back his cloak to reveal a massive collection of daggers. Then with a unbelievable speed, he will begin to throw them outward straight ahead, one after the other. The stream of daggers is a constant barrage, with no break in between each one. After he has unleashed 100 daggers, The Thief will throw one last final dagger that is larger than the rest. This powerful dagger will send anyone it hits flying.

Dagger Storm involves The Thief throwing 101 daggers quickly straight ahead of him. The daggers will go the full length of the stage and will pass through any enemies, walls or other obstacles in their path. They are small, but the first 100 make the enemy flinch and deal no knockback, so anyone caught in the stream will be stuck and receive the full brunt of the attack (unless they are falling through the stream). The final dagger is more powerful and knocks enemies away.

Each regular dagger deals 1% damage (2% Backstab) and the final dagger deals 5% damage (10% Backstab) and can KO at 150% damage. The Thief is invincible for the duration of the move and also has knockback immunity.




Other Unique Features

Dodging: When performing a forward dodge roll, The Thief will automatically come out of the roll facing the other direction, flipping 180 degrees.

Jumping: When jumping and double-jumping, The Thief will condense himself into as small an area as he can to avoid being hit. Hence, he will tuck his legs up against his chest during the first jump, then thrust them downward to get the boost for his second jump, after which he will tuck his legs up again and curl his arms around them like a ball while somersaulting in the air.




Playstyle:

The Thief has the potential to be a very powerful character, but requires a lot of strategy and planning to pull off. The Backstab mechanic allows him to deal out heavy damage while still being a fast and agile fighter; however, fighting head-on will severely limit the damage of The Thief's attacks since The Thief's moveset in purposely underpowered so as to balance the effectiveness of Backstab. This means that his speed and agility must be used offensively in order to set up a position where his attacks can be used to their full potential. Being in the right location is every bit as important as the attack itself.

However, where The Thief really becomes a major threat is when he is wielding a weapon. While his moveset is toned down in damage as mentioned previously, the damage dealt by weapons and items are left mostly unaltered and are still affected by the Backstab effect. A Thief behind you is dangerous, a Thief behind you with a weapon is downright devastating (a smash attack with a Home Run Bat to any enemy's back could deal up to 60% damage!). For any other character, having a major strategy that involves a random element like items (which can also just be turned off) would be a very bad idea.

But The Thief is special thanks to his Steal mechanic. Obviously being able to take an item away from an opponent quickly and easily is a useful skill, but even if items are turned off, The Thief can get his hands on a weapon with Steal's ability to generate an "environmental" item from an unarmed opponent. This ability to keep the Thief equipped with a source of extra damage is Steal's greatest boon. Steal's extra ability to plant an item goes hand-in-hand with his standard special, the Dancing Dagger.

Dancing Dagger serves two main purposes; one is two act as a ranged "boomerang" style attack, which offers a greater chance to strike from behind and earn Backstab damage. The second is to use the Blinding Powder to stun an enemy long enough to set up a strong attack from behind. This is where the usefulness of Dancing Dagger being an item over an attack comes in; Steal allows you to plant the Dancing Dagger in the enemy's hand, then almost immediately afterward release the Blinding Powder, putting The Thief in prime position to deliver a devastating attack.

As a recovery move, Shadowstep has great potential as long as you have the time to pull it off. His decreased fall speed helps to give you the wiggle room needed to cover great distances. However, it is less helpful in an emergency recovery situation (like being knocked downward at high speed), so you will need to keep a careful eye out for anyone who might try to set up such an attack. As an attack, it requires lots of patience and leeway, since The Thief is vulnerable and open to attack while you are controlling the shadow. Which is why it works well with Cloak and Dagger's invisibility, since it is one of the only attacks that does not immediately break the cloak upon being initiated.

Cloak and Dagger is important to The Thief's offense in that it gives him the opportunity to get behind his enemies undetected. While he has many other techniques for getting behind an opponent, most are for quick reactions. Cloak and Dagger allows you to set up more complex and planned out maneuvers. Cloaking also serves some important defensive tactics; since you can disappear from sight instantly and perform various movements without giving any sign of your position, you can sneakily escape from your enemies' clutches. The Dagger Toss feature can be used to misdirect your target's attention or lead them into a trap.

The Thief's Standard and Smash attacks include both attacks that attempt to deal damage from both front and behind, so as to get some Backstab damage every time, and stronger attacks that require you to plan out and position The Thief for maximum damage. The down-direction attacks set up traps that can be left on the ground for opponents to trigger. While they don't deal Backstab damage, they are stronger than most of The Thief's other attacks and can be used in conjunction with other moves (like using Scorpion Wire to drag an opponent across the trap to trigger it), as well as being able to be planted without breaking Cloak and Dagger. The Thief's aerial attacks are not meant for close combat and instead allows him to keep a distance with projectile pistol attacks, many of which cover large areas in one way or another. He can even create chaos below with discarded pellets raining down on fighters on the ground.

Scorpion Wire allows The Thief to bring his opponents to him and put them in a hold from behind. This means that if the enemy breaks free, they will still be facing with their back to The Thief, which he can easily capitalize on if the target isn't fast enough to flip around or get away. The Thief's throw are not exceptional for distance, but all of which tend to do a good amount of extra damage. Of note especially is the Up Throw, which can paralyze the unlucky fighter for a short bit, leaving their back exposed to a follow up attack.




Extras:

Logo: Guild Wars 2's "dragon-in-the-shape-of-a-number-two" logo.

Stage Entrance: An Asura Gate rises from the ground and when it finishes, the portal activates and The Thief rolls out and ends on one knee. Then he stands up straight and flips his hood up over his head as the Asura Gate shatters behind him.

Taunts:
1 - The Thief will pull out a coin purse from his cloak, toss is up in the air, then snatch it as it falls back down and stash it away again. He will make a quick "Heh." noise as he does.
2 - The Thief will make three small knives appear between his fingers, then juggle them in the air for a moment. This Taunt lasts for the longest time of the three and if The Thief is hit while performing it, the knives will scatter outward, dealing 1% damage (2% Backstab) to anyone it hits.
3 - The Thief will clasp his hands together and a shadowy image of Grenth (the God of Death) will appear behind him before slowly vanishing in the wind. The Thief will be able to move again once the shadow image forms and does not have to wait for it to vanish.

Alternate Costume:


Yes, it looks like you can be a female thief as well!



Stage: Lion's Arch


High above the Coastal pirate haven of Lion's Arch rest four derelict ships, suspended by a single line beneath. The four ships make up the playable platforms, while the wooden beam suspending them is simply background. Each ship is facing its aft at the screen and each ship is roughly 1/3 the length of Final Destination in size. There are thin bridges spanning each ship that can be walked on, but are easily broken and take a while to be reformed. The middle two boats both have an overhead sail that has been angled like a canopy and can be used as ground to fight on as well (it can jumped or dropped through as well).

The stage is also host to a dynamic event that can occur. The elder dragon Zhaitan make rise from the sea in the background on a jagged rock. When he extends his wings and roars, several undead skeleton warriors will jump onto the stage and begin to attack the players. They will leave after a while, but can also be beaten down and broken into bones and skulls, which can be tossed around like items (1% damage for bones, 3% damage for skulls). If all the undead are killed, Zhaitan will fly off into the air, only to return later and fly above the battle field. While you will only see his shadow as he passes by, the force of his passing will cause the boats to shake and tilt for a bit, while ripping off the two sails for the remainder of the match. If the undead escape, they will return later with explosives and destroy the left-most ship, removing it from the stage for the remainder of the match. Getting caught in the exploding ship will deal 25% damage and deliver hefty knockback.



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Whew! That one took a while. I've been looking forward to Guild Wars 2 for some time and I had the desire to do a "Thief" set, so this seemed like a natural match for the two. I'm sure a thief idea has been done before, but I hope there is enough originality for it to stand out. Feedback is appreciated as always!

[collapse="The Thief"]This is a huge improvement for you, Violenceman, and it's clear to anyone who's seen your previous sets (which are still good on their own). You've clearly taken the advice given to you with the Specials being first up instead of later, and my even the simplest of details overflow - there are times when this comes from certain attack details being repeated in the same move, but I'm still impressed by it. And even if they don't completely flow with the Specials yet (they still but), the standard attacks are look more impressive than ever before and are actually worth some attention. Dancing Dagger is an excellent attack for capitalizing on the backstab mechanic given it's boomerang-style nature: just the boomerang coming back from behind can inflict backstab damage from enemies wanting to protect their backs against you, which will be exposed if they're hit by the returning Dancing Dagger for you take advantage of! The boomerang nature of the Dancing Dagger also works surprisingly well with the invisibility because foes won't know -where- the Dagger will return to if Thief is invisible, and if you catch them off-guard simply backstab them. It's clear that you're very good at stringing together the Special attacks in clever ways. When I think about it too, even some of the stuff like the Smashes and the Aerials simply being ranged attacks work surprisingly well together for chaining together and luring foes into a trap. A different step for you via open-ended characterization compared to the likes of Ico/Yorda and Darkwing Duck, it's great to see you flourishing as of now, and that makes it all the more interesting to see what you'll do next, even though I've said that quite a few times now.[/collapse]

RIP Ashens August 8th 2012 - August 26th 2014



Dirty Bubble's post is still up.

Let this sink in.




2018 UPDATE: https://web.archive.org/web/20130117092937/http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=326189&page=4

THE MEMES LIVE.

[collapse="Ashens"]The main prospect of this set is hilarious even without having watched the videos, and it already looks as if the Ameno Effect is settling in on MYM13. I was pretty much laughing the whole time too (easily a top contender for Funniest Moveset). There's naturally a lot of crazy things going on in this set, and it didn't take long for me to realize it wasn't your average Flowy-Warlordian set as a lot of the moves felt independent. It felt a bit like a pseudo-joke-set, but that couldn't be helped when you were dealing with such an abstract subject. Not to say I stopped taking it seriously at all at any time of the set; being able to shift between two fighting zones is quite neato and provides some opportunities for all those toys you're putting on the stage, while the Grab Game further elaborates by letting you put one foe into the shelf. I did kinda lose track of certain things as I went by given how crazy the set is and the different rules to it, but it does try to have a sense of playstyle in the end, even if it's not the most convincing thing when there's a lot going on - undeniably a very fun and memorable experience however, and it was a pleasant surprise to see emphasis on the Final Smash and Extras of which couldn't be fitted into the main set.

It's also interesting to note how hard it was to pick out the Warlordian parts and the Davian parts, as the two styles mesh together pretty well for a good combination. This was also a funny character choice, as I thought the two of you were going to do a cartoon set or something. Maybe we'll get more of this kind of thing in the future?[/collapse]

Bubbleman.EXE

I like the playstyle here and the various options you have with the bubbles. One suggestion I have is to change around some of the inputs. D-Tilt could be done by double-tapping down on a bubble that Bubbleman is standing on, or rolling into a bubble that's next to Bubbleman. U-Air seems very odd as an attack input, it looks like it should be doable just by jumping into a bubble. As for the grab, I'd suggest making it so that doing N-Spec at point blank range traps the opponent in the bubble. This may leave you needing to fill some imputs with basic attacks, which is not bad. Sometimes a guy just needs to make a quick, simple attack. Particularly since there seems to be a lack of normal moves that actually do damage.


Athena

I like this moveset. The down throw is really funny when you think about some of the zanier members of Brawl's cast. It doesn't feel like D-Air should be an instant death move, even flavor-wise. Being a very high knockback move should suffice, and if a character survives, it could just mean that they managed to crawl out of the depths of the underworld. Pit himself has done just that in his career.


Cold Enchanter

You did a great job of giving the player different reasons for choosing who to inbed crystals in. It's almost like choosing your playstyle. I like it. I only have one sugguestion, I think there should be an attack that eats up crystals inbeded in Cold Enchanter for extra power. This can allow Cold Enchanter to shed off crystals and adapt to changing situations.

Thief

The thief is definitely a moveset with a lot of heart poured into it and deserved some respect for that. Your move descriptions are long enough to rival Katapultar, and though some of it is redundancy that could be smoothed out, a lot of it is careful care about animations and characterization that is really nice.

The backstab is a worthwhile mechanic, and you get some clever ideas in how to combine it with the invisibility and teleportation that the Thief has at his disposal. Many of his other moves seem to treat it as a bit of an afterthought though, and I think that a little more thought into how his moves flowed together with concepts like the turn around from the jab would make it a lot smoother. As it is, there is a bit of a disconnect between the tilts, the smashes which feel like guild wars 2 abilities out of place in brawl, and the aerials which are so focused on the pistols as opposed to never appearing elsewhere in the set.

The only other major complaint I have though is that blinding powder is far too powerful. 3 seconds of stun is utterly ridiculous; on a projectile as an area of effect blast with a half second duration it is truly broken. Still, a fun moveset though with a lot of care put into its creation.

Ashens

This is something that truly could only be created by the combined efforts of Warlord and David. A truly monumental monstrosity that encompasses almost every vice in Make Your Move in one nauseating package.

We begin by making a 3v1 only stamina boss fight with an incomprehensible control scheme in which you have to move both hands with only one control stick. I hesitate to even call this a moveset as it takes a page from AMENO-SAGIRI and makes it even worse, and takes it for granted that this kind of mutilation of brawl should be readily accepted as just as legitimate as an actual moveset.

Moving on we go through a litany of props with the tackiest effects yet including perhaps the worst one ever attempted to date, a flamethrower which behaves like no fire anywhere else in brawl and kills opponents if they somehow don't guess that they are supposed to crouch or roll the nonsensical six and a half times required to survive. It is a mechanic designed with the playstyle in mind of the worst kind, and the playstyle is what? To simply keep the opponents from getting on the ground so they can roll? And reuse concepts that have been around for ages and somehow turn a couch into a slip and slide playplace?

I won't pretend there is nothing clever in this set, like separating opponents to two different stages, although how it works for the players on the other stage during this time isn't remotely addressed. But creativity is a dime a dozen, especially for movesets that create their own rules like this. Ashens offends all the sense and sensibility of brawl simply on the hope that flawed arguments like "what else are you supposed to do for this character" and free acceptance of the ridiculous premises that it establishes in order to work at all. I just hope that neither of you actually took this seriously, and neither does the rest of MYM.

Thanks to all who commented on Garble

Ashens

The core way he's depicted here is certainly fitting, though at times I feel like it got too wrapped up in its own ideas.

For example, did we really need so much emphasis on OHKO mechanics? Yes, he melts the toys in the show. That doesn't mean he needs to melt his opponents in the same way. Even disregarding the difficulty for anyone to figure out to disable the effect (which makes it borderline useless considering you just have to tap down 6 times), it's a freaking boss with free flight and 100 traps everywhere, he has plenty of damage-racking and KOing tools as-is. Likewise with the couch/shelf transition. It's a really creative move and all, but did it have to be a true KO on opponents who are left behind? Especially when the pummel randomly takes one opponent to the other stage but magically doesn't do anything to the other players. What stops them from just making their way to the other stage from off-screen? Heck, even the final smash is a combination of these 2 things, only made nearly impossible to counter (open microwave, grab, close microwave, dead).

Making a giant death-trap of toys is fun and a good way to make him feel like a big over-the-top boss, especially when his hitboxes are so big that you don't have to constantly cross every trap ever just to do anything at all. At the very least it's nice to see a 1v3 boss that doesn't punish the enemy team for taking advantage of the fact that they're a team. However, I feel like the craziness could have been toned down a tad. Obviously the toys are going to be doing different things, but did he need special effects and move interactions on his standards? You even note at the start on the unscripted nature of his reviews, why does he have all of these scripted move effects?

On the bright side, I think the set is great from a character-appreciation perspective. Aside from my complaint on the interactions, the set feels like an Ashens review, and all of the pictures and video links and extras help to showcase what he's about to those who don't know about him. Overall, there's enough to like here to avoid death-by-HR, but I don't think I would put it on my Shelf of Interesting Movesets.

it's dat d'ere 3 hour moveset thing!

Mike Dawson

Oh no, not Make Your Move! The only way out is to make your move!

I think the animations really sell the set here, even the most basic attacks are made memorable just because of the sheer patheticness of the guy performing them. You get tons of bonus points, though, for actually managing to give Mike genuinely creative attacks and a legitimate coherent playstyle. The knife in particular is basically the right way to implement Jason's concept of giving the opponent a weapon, good work!

There are a few things I have to critique. First, his BThrow is really useless despite how hilarious it sounds. He performs his down special on the enemy...so he gives them free invisibility? Did you mean his side special? Second, while I'm sure you didn't mean this, the crouch's description makes it sound like an infinite stall. Finally, I don't see any point the drunkeness thing in the USmash. I'd say it was just a joke but it looks like there was supposed to be a link there, only I can't click the link because this is an image-set.

Hyper_Ridley said:

Mike Dawson

There are a few things I have to critique. First, his BThrow is really useless despite how hilarious it sounds. He performs his down special on the enemy...so he gives them free invisibility? Did you mean his side special? Second, while I'm sure you didn't mean this, the crouch's description makes it sound like an infinite stall. Finally, I don't see any point the drunkeness thing in the USmash. I'd say it was just a joke but it looks like there was supposed to be a link there, only I can't click the link because this is an image-set.

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Yeah, I originally had Ace Detective on the Down Special, and then moved it to Side Special without checking the rest of the set for references (this is why I should really start referring to moves by their names, rather than their inputs)

The invulnerability frames are on the D-tilt itself, not Mike's crouch. Sorry for the confusion.

And, yeah, the drunken-ness status effect is the same one I used in Linebeck, and there originally was a link there to the set. It was by Warlord's suggestion that I turn the set into a fuzzy jpeg.

Next chance I get, I'll go edit the set to correct these issues. Thanks a lot for pointing them out for me. It's much appreciated.

So I’m just gonna reply to the reviews for Larfleeze all at once, since they seem to share common themes.

So, first the weaker parts of my set. A common theme seems to be a mention that while my specials are solid and interesting, that the standards are bland. Not that I'm meaning to dismiss your opinions or anything, but I personally feel that Standards are meant to be fairly bland, MYM or not. Nonetheless, I do have to admit that, given that this is a 3v1 set, I probably could have done with more interesting and useful stuff there. On the other hoof, this is Larfleeze; he actually doesn’t have much imagination when it comes to his constructs, tending to attack with the lantern itself if he’s not letting his army fight for him. So in general, you’re all probably right when it comes to 3v1 sets in general, but in Larfleeze’s case, I think I’m justified in keeping things unimaginative for his basic moves.

So, the second point is the fact that Larfleeze is a little underpowered for a 3v1. Kat, I think, has gotten to the crux of the issue:

Katapultar said:

And the more I realize that Larfleeze can do, the more I think that he's not that underpowered when how powerful he is generally depends on what he manages to take from the foe - perhaps you were going for that approach for balancing instead of already giving Larfleeze a lot, but...

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That’s pretty much it in a nutshell: I figured that Larfleeze’s ability to take the power, skills, and weapons of the foes would be sufficient to give him the ability to take on three people at once. Evidently I was a little off; oh well, I’ll do better next time.

That said, I’m glad to hear that I’m improving and that I did an okay job with the mechanic. :D

Reviews will come once I can find time.

[collapse="Mike Dawson"]It'd be silly for me not to know where you were going with the organization in regards to this set made from a terrible game. I did hear in the chat that you had to know the game to understand this moveset, and I think I've seen enough of that ridiculous game to understand where you were coming from with most of the moves, save the counter grab which not only contradicts Dawson's disposition as a weak character but also uhhh, doesn't make him weak against grabs...despite being slow to pull off. But with that out of the way, this is actually a pretty interesting 3-hour set worth looking at if for one that wouldn't look like one if you didn't say so in the first place. This is partially because of the Junahu-esque creative attacks as HR mentioned, but also the Side Special which obviously takes precedence over all the other attacks not only due to being uhhh, his goal but also the fact that it feels like a a self-contained moveset in that one move. On the subject of playstyle, it's not easy to convince one's self that the rest of the moves fit in with the Side Special (though I suspect the Side Special releasing his shadow as Jack is supposed to work in tandem with his Down Special invisibility so foes will have no idea where he is if they actively try to avoid Jack from giving them the knife...interesting), but given the time put into the set and the independent nature of the attacks I think it was intentional on your part (especially given the playstyle section isn't very long or gets into a lot of detail) - you always know what you're doing with this stuff, anyway. With the set-up and all you've been given, it's difficult to deny the sense of craftsmanship put into this set even if it seems a little questionable at times (just like the choices made by the people who made the game!) and one that deserves a bit of applause.[/collapse]


[collapse="Kammy Koopa"]So you managed to get your bet set done? Good job. It's also surprising you managed to change your writing style to match the character's for the first part of the set. There are plenty of little magicy effects you'd expect from Magikoopa-type character scattered across the whole set which are pretty faithful to Brawl's, if at times a little too faithful in terms of effectiveness such as with the shrinking and pitfalling - Kammy is not a powerhouse however, and it'd obviously make sense for these effects to be powerful in the first place. These effects also prevent the set from getting weak past the Specials compared to your non Weird Rider and Appetizer sets, though they may be a little too diverse when the only thing they can interact with other than foes are the blocks (there were times when I actually thought you were going to incorporate minions or other magikoopas into the set based on the attack's names, and that would have actually worked pretty well). Not that what you can do with the yellow boxes is at all boring however, as rather than get too focused on it you simply let the effects of the other moves flow into them naturally such as with the shells (even the typical U-tilt and U-Smash energy bolt flow into her game when foes will try to jump over the blocks). Not to mention the grab works nicely in how it can be used with foes and blocks, the latter of which make up for some interesting combinations via giant and invisible. My only complaint is that the aerials don't seem very interesting nor completely feel like Kammy when you'd think she'd take that kind of moment to use magic from afar instead, though I can kind of see where you were coming from and it'd be hard to think of more random effects with what you've got without getting out of hand - none the less, it's a very simple and well-handled set coming from you (even if the ideas not being as intriguing as Weird Rider's prevent me from liking it as much as said set, but I still do), and even better when you consider this was a bet set (actually a good one!) and that you've got a bunch of other plans you need completed.[/collapse]

OMG (Old Man Geo), I'm actually making comments! Saints preserve us, tis the end of days.

Darth Meanie said:

Arche Kraine

This is a very low-key remastering, but I guess that was the goal. The changes to her sidebar stats were humorous, and the new spells gave her a bit more depth than she had before.

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Thanks for commenting Arche
I was going to perform a full rewrite, until I started reading and found it was actually better than the stuff I write nowadays. So I settled for making the few changes I felt were needed. I did give the Playstyle section an Archifying at least.

The change to her spell charge mechanic seems like an improvement in discoverability, but not being able to air dodge or shield without blowing a charged spell seems like an overall nerf. I really think that another way to release a charged spell might be better. Perhaps double-tapping?

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Considering she couldn't shield or airdodge at all originally, you can trust me when I say this is a massive buff for her.
I wanted to convey a sense of clumsiness with Arche, so having the player accidentally throw out a spell if they're pressured into shielding when they have a stored spell, seemed ideal.
And, no I'd never ever consider double tapping, for any purpose.

Her flight mode still seems to make her weaknesses and strengths more pronounced. She can't go very high at all and one hit can be fatal in the wrong spot. I think it might be better if she had truly free flight, but started descending until she got closer to the ground. That would solve the sudden change in rules when offstage and give her more if a rhythm to her fighting, instead of simply completely anihilating characters with no anti-air capacity and being destroyed in turn by characters with flexible projectiles or good air games like Luvia.

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She could originally fly at 4 stagebuilder units above the ground, infinitely. This is pretty bad, considering just how high up that is. Not too many characters can engage at such a height using just their normal jumps. I feel really sorry for Marth in particular. There was also the whole issue of having Arche fall helplessly every time she was hit by anything. I mean, she has a couple of extra frames of hitstun now which leads to some combos, but before she could be juggle combo'd by any foe with an up-air.

The original moveset seemed to be pretty deliberate in having Arche either steamroll the foe, or get killed in one quick sweep. I wanted to alleviate that by giving her better defenses, more options, and bringing her closer to the foe so they can actually hit her. But elements of that style should still be there, because otherwise the set would be crossing over into Remix territory

Your idea would solve a lot of issues, and it is in fact the system used in the Smash Clone "Tales of Vs", but it'd likely mess with the overall balance of her spells she has here. Plus that ascending/descending rhythm gets pretty annoying after a while.

WARRIOR RANKINGS​

So I saw that FRoy had his own rankings now and figured that since Warlord no longer has a monopoly, I might as well jump on the bandwagon. :D

My ranking system will be different though, because I feel like making it different. Sets are measured in a few different areas: Presentation, Flow, Imagination, and Balance. Presentation is how easy it was to read and follow, Flow measures how well the playstyle works, Imagination is for imaginative ideas (go figure), and Balance is whether it's overpowered (or underpowered, but that's much less likely). Each category gets 3 points: 3 points means that I can’t find anything wrong with it, 2 means it’s mostly good but there were problems with it, and 1 means I think it’s bad in that regard. I might give 0 points in a category if the set failed catastrophically in that regard. If I end up liking the overall set, an extra point is assigned to it, for a possible maximum of 13 points.
So without further ado:

GARBLE

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 13 (Coincidentally, this set was Post #13)
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14756470&postcount=13

SOMBRA

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 13
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15178095&postcount=583

COLD ENCHANTER

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14755860&postcount=6

THE THIEF

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14764263&postcount=46

KAMMY KOOPA

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14770080&postcount=57

FERALIGATR

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14798657&postcount=127

PHARAOH MAN

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14923366&postcount=259

SHEENA FUJIBAYASHI

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14928842&postcount=272

SAKUYA IZAYOI

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14931296&postcount=278

SOLDIER

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14937598&postcount=294

THE FLIM-FLAM BROTHERS

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14948141&postcount=311

MISTELTEINN

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 2
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15016486&postcount=454

HEADLESS HORSEMAN

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 2
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15016515&postcount=456

ROSE LALONDE

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15016742&postcount=457

LORD VOLDEMORT

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15085236&postcount=517

JOKER

Presentation: 3
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 12
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15171523&postcount=571

BUBBLEMAN

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 11
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14755696&postcount=2

ALAKAZAM

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 2
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 11
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14787943&postcount=103

CLAYTON

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 2
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 11
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14794649&postcount=121

STROMBOLI

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 11
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14794661&postcount=122

BRELOOM

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 11
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14818274&postcount=149

PORYGON-Z



Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 11
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14877912&postcount=220

CHRYSALIS

Presentation: 3
Flow: 2
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 11
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14953535&postcount=321

SHANG TSUNG

Presentation: 3
Flow: 2
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 11
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15004162&postcount=422

WILLY WONKA

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 10
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=14789117#post14789117

GATSTAF SHEPHERD

Presentation: 1
Flow: 3
Imagination: 2
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 10
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14805851&postcount=135

LIZARD

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 10
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14889465&postcount=237

ATHENA

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14755726&postcount=4

MAGNEMITE

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14771690&postcount=64

MADOLCHE MAJOLEINE

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 3
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14774122&postcount=77

YOUNG XEHANORT

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14778125&postcount=85

LUKE ATMEY

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14807660&postcount=140

PUTATA

Presentation: 2
Flow: 1
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14833815&postcount=180

KOALA KONG

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14853012&postcount=196

ZIGZAGOON

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14905431&postcount=248

TABITHA ORLEANS

Presentation: 1
Flow: 3
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14914998&postcount=254

BISHARP

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14915303&postcount=255

KAMELLA

Presentation: 3
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14930136&postcount=276

PYRO

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 2
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 1
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14981444&postcount=350

ENGINEER

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14937606&postcount=297

ARMANTLE

Presentation: 3
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14983052&postcount=355

NYX ASSASSIN

Presentation: 2
Flow: 3
Imagination: 3
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15045407&postcount=496

PRINCESS BUBBLEGUM

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 8
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14756811&postcount=14

BEASTMAN

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 8
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14761096&postcount=30

GRIMLOCK

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 3
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 8
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15045195&postcount=494

SAWTOOTH AND SQUAREWAVE

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14755705&postcount=3

FLASHMAN

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=326189

ASHENS

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14764913&postcount=48

DRILLMAN

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 1
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14776562&postcount=81

RANDY JOHNSON

Presentation: 1
Flow: 1
Imagination: 3
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14782883&postcount=91

LADY GAGA

Presentation: 3
Flow: 1
Imagination: 1
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14810843&postcount=142

ARSENAL PRIMID

Presentation: 2
Flow: 1
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14822301&postcount=152

WITCH

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 3
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14862189&postcount=208

H. N. ELLY

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14874333&postcount=219

STRONG BAD

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14892126&postcount=241

MR. DARK

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14907606&postcount=251

YOSHIKA

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 1
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14929974&postcount=275

GWYNDOLIN

Presentation: 3
Flow: 1
Imagination: 2
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.cjom/showpost.php?p=14933613&postcount=282

SCOUT

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14937596&postcount=292

HEAVY

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14937604&postcount=296

MEDIC

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 3
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14937609&postcount=298

SNIPER

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14937624&postcount=299

YUKIKI

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15013817&postcount=438

GEORGE WASHINGTON

Presentation: 2
Flow: 1
Imagination: 2
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 7
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15121152&postcount=557

MIKE DAWSON

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 6
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14766271&postcount=53

AQUAMAN

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 1
Balance: 2
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 6
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14777029&postcount=82

GHETSIS

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 6
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14778119&postcount=84

BIGFOOT

Presentation: 2
Flow: 2
Imagination: 1
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 6
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14799254&postcount=129

UKA UKA

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 2
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 5
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15013328&postcount=436

SOUNDWAVE SUPERIOR

Presentation: 1
Flow: 2
Imagination: 1
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 4
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14760025&postcount=21

CREEPER

Presentation: 1
Flow: 1
Imagination: 1
Balance: 1
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 4
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14945886&postcount=308

EMBER

Presentation: 2
Flow: 1
Imagination: 2
Balance: 0
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 4
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14955106&postcount=326

COOKING MAMA

Presentation: 0
Flow: 0
Imagination: 1
Balance: 0
Extra Point: 0
TOTAL: 1
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14822597&postcount=153

Responding to two things...

@ WoMF: The underpoweredness generally just came from the fact Larfleeze doesn't have enough moves useful in a 3v1 as opposed to a 1v1, so he seems very easy to gang up on and not get his constructs going, since the Down Throw only works for two seconds. Also, no grab resistance of any kind means two D3s are an instant win. While I get the blandness, you don't have to make the move particularly creative to make it not bland, but perhaps just show off some uses in the moveset.

@ Junahu: Cold Enchanter has no story. It's just a card I always like for it's art. So there isn't any established personality or story. Also, while not a reply to my own think, not all stall-than-falls have an established length, just like Garble's. Specifically, ZSS' stall than fall only stops when she hits the ground.

A wild Magnemite appeared!

I haven't read the set yet, but since I plan on making a Magneton set later in the contest, putting Magnemite there probs isn't necessary.

Contemptible Commentary

First off, I just want to point out that .5 weight is insanely light, and no amount of recovery can help Kammy with that weight. While not necessarily a bad thing, especially since Kammy get heal herself, I just figured I would point that out.

Also, I do quite enjoy the writing style of this set. The little Kammy-like description of it, along with the wonderfully worded headers, combines with the easy reading of the moves for an extremely soothing read.

Nitpick time! I highly recommend, when doing throws like this, making shield button + direction cause the "throw", as it is far too easy to accidentally smash while moving something for a throw and the poor people who use the Wiimote will feel sad if they wanted to use the move. To make this less of a paragraph fragment, I'll just go on about Kammy's playstyle here too, which is actually pretty fun, as Kammy summons 30 HP blocks around to create her own little stage, but combines it with the ability to inflict all manner of magical mayhem maliciously on the opposing malcontents. With the ability to shrink, enlargen, heal and make huge everything from her blocks to foes or herself, there's quite a lot to do, without there really being a direct one right answer.

Which brings me to the down tilt, a move I dislike immensely in the moveset. Pitfall traps being made in general already usually ends up bad, seeing as it is basically just stun, but here really hurts, as it is just too strong in combination with the throws and Up Special to be liked and sort of mitigates some of her options, as her best option for a lot of things is to place a pitfall trap, make two blocks, try to teleport and/or otherwise get them on the pitfall trap, then just F-Throw/B-Throw depending on direction, or just summon a block on their heads. Bonus points if she has a koopa shell added in.

Aside from this gaffe, though, it's pretty solid. The trade off between a tiny and huge foe is simple, as Kammy can more easily damage a huge foe and more easily KO a small foe, but a huge foe can also better take advantage of her small weight and a small foe can try to stall the time out. One nitpick, though, is that the Forward Smash/enlargening does not have a time set for it to expire, leading me to assume it either lasts as long as the shrinking or indefinitely/until you use the shrinking, which is pretty annoying.

The air game is quite nice, I feel, good movement, makes it almost hit and run feeling, despite not being one. One thing I wonder, though, is does the up aerial glide count as a normal glide, or not? If so, is there no glide attack, and she just can attack out of it? This move could use some clarification.

All the same, though, it's a good moveset. Something I really love, though not stated, is that you can play around with an invisible foe if you can grab them, since you presumably can move them around without them knowing exactly where they are. The invisibility is also neatly presented with the ability to just a grab on an visible block, F-Throw/B-Throw it and give your opponent a surprise KO move to the face. It's an inventive and fun use of invisibility. Nice set. Reminds me of Kamek, the Rool one, kinda.

Magnemighty

A Magnemite moveset when I already planned a Magneton moveset as part of a trainer moveset later? How interesting. Perhaps more amusingly, you actually had one of my ideas almost exactly, as I certainly thought the same use of Lock-On for that moveset, save the magnetism of items/repelling of foes...

The moveset itself has some neat minor tricks, mostly involving Lock-On, though it is a bit sparse in terms of flow and detail. One particular area this hurts it is the Up Throw: What does "stay in midair" mean? Are they repelled from the ground or do they float up? Do they take knockback? Will using a stall-then-fall allow them to fall to the ground or will they, like stall-then-falls sometimes do when knockback is involved, not move you? I feel like a bit of further explanation could be in order, maybe along with some explanation of it's uses.

Lock-On being so hard to dodge is also a bit annoying, although given the move's purpose, not entirely bad. I do wish slightly more had been done with the magnetism, though, something possibly coming from the Up Throw into a different move, perhaps as an opposite of Polarize, causing the foe to steadily rise into the air if they're magnetized? Would be really need, especially given Magnemite has some good mid-air spacers, and add a little more to the flow. I also think polarize completely immobilizing the opponent is a bit much, especially since they gain super armor for combo fodder. It may have been cooler to move Magnet Bomb to Down Smash, Polarize to a Special and allowed it to do more, perhaps making zones that attract/repel magnetized foes or being able to make multiple polarization zones that merely slow down the foe or something.

Random idea for Magnet Rise is that it could have also attracted/repelled characters, perhaps changed by pressing B during the flight or something, which could make it an interesting attack tool and hard to edgeguard recovery. Just a thought. Also, not a nitpick, but just something you might wanna edit, your post title calls it "Magnetite".

Swiper no swiping

The Thief is yet another moveset that I feel falls into the category of good but not truly great, continuing to prove that for some reason I am way more optimistic in MYM13.

Anyway, Thief has a cool little concept, based around simply dealing double damage with attacks by striking from behind. By giving the set a strong central starting point, strong moves can be built around it, a particular favorite of mine being the forward tilt. The Steal move is at tad tacky with it's generation of items, but at least vaguely acceptable, given how otherwise the move would be largely useless and, well, what is a thief without a steal move?

The stun time on the Neutral Special is unfortunately large, as otherwise, the move is extremely cool. For reference on how long the stun is, Warlock Punch takes 72 frames to initial, or roughly 1.1 seconds, so you are stunning the foe for roughly the time it takes to start 2 Warlock Punches plus 3/4ths of another. Similiarly, Up Throw's paralysis is mentioned as lasting several seconds, when judging from what the move sounds like, it should last two seconds at the most. To pile on some further complaints, the use of other thieves in the Down Throw and Up Smash is a tad odd, although I feel it is acceptable here given the Thief's actual character, but it is still odd.

Finally, I highly recommend using different measurements for length, as there is no easy way for somebody to imagine what a foot is in Brawl, nor an easy way to tell in the game itself. Two useful measurements are the "Battlefield platform" and the "Ganondorf". A Battlefield platform refers to the length of, well, a platform on Battlefield, which is easy to remember or look up. Three Battlefield platforms is also roughly the width of Battlefield itself, making it again, easy to imagine the size when described. A Ganondorf almost always refers to Ganondorf's tall height, which is almost exactly the length from the ground to the bottom platforms of Battlefield and easily thought of when imagining Ganondorf. In addition the two, when combined, makes it so that a person who owns Brawl can easily look up the distance just by going into Training Mode as Ganondorf. This will help your future movesetting, because as-is, I have no idea what "five feet" means. I'll mentally just put it at a Battlefield platform.

But enough with the bad things, let's discuss the good! Flowing playstyle, nice, many moves work together in the context of the playstyle and weave a fairly tight cloth, without really being a flowchart or anything, with a few outliers in this regard. I quite enjoy the way Shadowstep works, which makes it sort of interesting among teleportation recoveries, while I also enjoy how the invisibility works, as Thief uses it more to get in a single nice strike or generate some subtle fear in the foe rather than more traditional trap setting uses and the like. One of my favorite things in the moveset is the ability to go into invisibility and use the Forward Tilt w/ backstab for massive damage, as it both sounds like it would look awesome and is effective. If it wasn't obvious, I do quite like the Forward Tilt, with it's properties of getting stronger as the foe gets weaker and it's awesome backstab bonus.

Caltrops and the Needle Trap, while basic traps, are certainly very effective, and them being seen while invisible can even be used as a mindgame. After all, while you know where the Thief was when he set the traps, he might have just jumped away, especially if they were set far away...or perhaps that is just what he wants you to think and he's standing right there, testing your reaction. It's simple, but very Thief-y. I also enjoy the DAir's animation and the grab, by the way.

But to cut a long comment short, it's an awesome moveset, but multiple things bring it down, mostly a fair bit of number related gaffes, some of which severely hurt it's balance. Still, it is certainly a step up from your previous movesets, even Ico/Yorda. Your continued use of extras is also pleasing and the ability to play as the female thief is well enjoyed. On to the next movesets.

Instant Moveset in a Comment

First off, you instantly gain some love in this moveset simply for linking all of those Ashens videos. Very amusing stuff there, people.

While the fire at first seems really tacky, it's actually not that tacky when you consider the Smash universe and the nature of Ashens. He plays the role of the reviewer, with the Smash characters taking their actual roles, as trophies or, in SSB64's case, dolls. Ashens may not even be a trophy or a character of the same type as the Brawl character,s more like Master Hand's symbolicness, and in this context, Ashens' burning them to nothing makes sense.

I do think it seems actually a bit easy to get rid of the fire, though, between it's long time to come out, ease of getting rid of it even with the dog breath and all, though it will still at least push some damage through. The fact it isn't doused upon coming into contact with water also is quite odd, but eh. The game with the dual stages is actually quite interesting, probably the best thing in the set, though it's not always entirely taken advantage of. Though that's okay, since well, it'd be weird for that to be the focal point of the set. The POPstation is IMO one of the better moves in the set, as it's use as a solid platform is interesting, while retaining some good play with the pieces and it's good interaction with the water. And as an addendum to earlier, you can at least set them on fire with the grab, but eh...

As a whole, though, the moveset does feel a bit disjointed, as if it is scrambling for every possibility in the character's arsenel, which while not bad, leads to a bit of a lack of flow between the various types of play presented in the moveset, I feel. It's quite a good joint, though, as it's actually quite difficult to differentiate what was written by Warlord and what was dealt out by Dave, so you must have both been on the same wavelength. The extras are also quite a nice addition: Might MYM13 be the MYM where we see a revival of extras? Matchups are also much appreciated.

Overall, though, I can't really say it was a particularly amazing moveset, but I enjoyed it, so I think that it bodes well for a good Warlord contest to come and, with Bubblegum also around, a step up for Dave. We shall see, eh?

I'm tired, so I will read/comment Mike Dawson later. It's appropriate that he gets left out of a comment block the first time anyway...

Whoops. I'll go ahead and fix that title. XD As for the up throw, it basically treats their falling speed and movement speed as being 0, so they don't rise or fall. So a stall-then-fall might bring them down, it depends on the mechanics of stall-then-falls, but I'm guessing it won't work.

Not commenting on my own set, but a .5/10 is still within 1/10, making Kammy's weight somewhere between Jigglypuff and Squirtle, although I'm not sure if that was the intent.

Conren said:

Whoops. I'll go ahead and fix that title. XD As for the up throw, it basically treats their falling speed and movement speed as being 0, so they don't rise or fall. So a stall-then-fall might bring them down, it depends on the mechanics of stall-then-falls, but I'm guessing it won't work.

Not commenting on my own set, but a .5/10 is still within 1/10, making Kammy's weight somewhere between Jigglypuff and Squirtle, although I'm not sure if that was the intent.

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.5/10 is under 1/10 and Jigglypuff is the sole 1/10, so Kammy is lighter than Jigglypuff.

alright, i went back and made some slight alterations. She now has a weight of 1, which isn't too much better but actually allows a little staying power. Also, the time make huge lasts for 10 seconds, which not including was a mistake on my part, must have slipped my mind.

FrozenRoy said:

.5/10 is under 1/10 and Jigglypuff is the sole 1/10, so Kammy is lighter than Jigglypuff.

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Not exactly. Think of the rankings as being inclusive of the fractions of the number. For instance, Bowser represents the upper limit of the 10 weight ranking, so he's a perfect 10/10. Donkey Kong, the other 10/10, is more like a 9.25/10. That extra .25 being a part of the next number, making him a 10/10 inclusively. Jigglypuff, representing the lower limit of the 1 weight ranking, is more like a 0.1/10, that extra .1 being a part of the next number. So a 0.5/10 should be heavier than Jigglypuff.

Conren said:

Not exactly. Think of the rankings as being inclusive of the fractions of the number. For instance, Bowser represents the upper limit of the 10 weight ranking, so he's a perfect 10/10. Donkey Kong, the other 10/10, is more like a 9.25/10. That extra .25 being a part of the next number, making him a 10/10 inclusively. Jigglypuff, representing the lower limit of the 1 weight ranking, is more like a 0.1/10, that extra .1 being a part of the next number. So a 0.5/10 should be heavier than Jigglypuff.

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Yes, fractions are inclusive, but the most logical baseline for weight is 1, not 0.1. 0.1 is just as arbitrary as 1 as a number to start with, and 0 is obviously ridiculous as it has no weight, so 1, being the lowest whole number, seems to make the most sense to measure Jigglypuff as. It's all an approximation really and weight is actually measured in brawl on a completely different scale, but Jigglypuff as a 1 on a 1-10 scale is far more intuitive to most people.

Yeah, I agree. I was just trying to explain how .5/10 is still part of 1/10, and heavier than Jigglypuff. I think decimals should be avoided all together, and if someone wants to be more specific, they can assign an actual weight value.

... how is .5 heavier than Jigglypuff if 1 is Jigglypuff?

It's easier to explain with a visual aid. Here are the weight rankings and relative position of some of the characters, based on their real weight values:

10 - Bowser
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. - Donkey Kong
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9
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. - Snake
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. - King Dedede
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. - Charizard
8

Donkey Kong is a 10/10, but if you want to get more specific, he's around a 9.3/10. Snake, D3, and Charizard are all 9/10, but if you want to be more specific, they're around 8.1/10, 8.5/10, and 8.7/10, respectively. Again, if you want to be more specific.

Going further down:

2 - Kirby
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. - Squirtle and Mr. Game & Watch
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1
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. - Kammy
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. - Jigglypuff
0

Kammy was said to be a .5/10, which is just a more specific way of saying 1/10. It's not that .5/10 is higher than 1/10, it's just that Jiggs and Kammy both have values that are within 1/10, Kammy's just happens to be higher.

I meant for Kammy to be lighter than Jigglypuff

I'm a fan of your sets, so BubbleMan.EXE is right up my alley, especially when it's a trademark playground set. The set really shows off your faults as a moveset maker very apparently at times, though in the end it has a venerable niché it successfully fills out and is able to create enough depth in its small sandbox to make for good fun. Bad first, you have a lot of non-attack moves, and that isn't necessary. There should be a reason for this every time it happens. You also have a knack for over-complicating mechanics, the bubbles being a prime example, as the tiers are mostly pointless. Finally, you have so many concepts vying for attention that you're suffocating more than a few of them, this links in with using actual attacks as it would become far easier to make regular attacks if you weren't trying to flow into half-a-dozen different core focuses. All these nagging issues drag down the quality of the set. While that is a heap of negative feedback, the set does approach an often unacknowledged concept, vertical KOing, and gives an original spin on it, covering the air in bubbles that are open-ended enough that they're a threat from nearly any position. You create a chaotic environment and wait for an opening, similar to playing on a frenetic scrolling stage. If you had buckled down on something like the verticality of the set, with interesting attacks that work around being above or below the foe due to bubble platforms, that alone would've been a vast improvement, but as is, the flow is too thinly spread. It's a good set but could have potentially been great.

We come to Sawtooth and Squarewave. Sadly, this may be your last set. This is a crying shame, especially because this set shows the author has no lack of talent. It starts off with the ambitious concept of trying to incorporate rap into the game, and it has its fair share of hiccups. As was mentioned in another comment, there's no visual cue, but what could be added is an audio one, and that's fairly obvious and easy. That in mind, it flows in a janky way, moves haphazardly changing form on the fly to create a non-scripted playstyle, one that allows for plenty of deviation and doesn't lack a creative punch either, keeping the foes, on their toes. Most of all I love the wacky, nonsensical flow achieved on top their 'groove' that fits the characters perfectly, alongside the way you can construct your own mini moveset, allowing for player creativity without taking anything away from the characters themselves. Screw Rool and his Vlad, this set is the true movesetting version of a rap-off. The set works well on it own, but that isn't the point and it just being competent at all without the rapping is justified. Despite not knowing the characters due to falling behind on reading the comic, I can identify the series' humour and sensibilities by how the set plays. It could've elevated itself to greater heights if there was this festering genius about the way it specifically flows into certain combos, which in the end is simply coherent, but I'd still say this is a lovely swan song... and I sincrerely hope it isn't one.

Dive-bombing owls. One of the lesser known abilities of Death, in the form of Athena. Also kissing with tongues. It's a tacky set to be sure - I don't know if I agree on the notion that a god of death has to have alternate KO mechanics, that's leaning toward being pretentious. I actually far prefer the absolutism that comes across from use of these ideas, creating a playstyle that has no shades of grey at all, only wanting an emphatic victory and humiliation for opponents. Aside from plain dismissing the set because of the KO mechanics, the question is if these wonky concepts can be reined in for a satisfying playstyle... mostly, I'd say it works, though it could be a far smoother process to get there without the magic syndrome. You have a scythe, one of the best weapons imaginable for a set, but you resort to her using generic magic spells instead, on inputs that are designed to be close-range, or at least simpler moves. It seems very incovenient for her to not use the gigantic weapon in her hands when the time calls for it, the scythe is barely used at all and never in a way that makes it crucial to the playstyle. I'm also tiring of you so casually messing with shields on non-special inputs, when there's not a big reason to be shielding constantly and even if there was, then it becomes opt-in stun, versus - in this set specifically - instant death. That isn't every move summed up, yet the amount of magic-y filler, the general lack of focus and the way the set doesn't approach the character's signature weapon in a logical way makes it difficult for me to really approve.

Cold Enchanter's a good idea, in several different ways. For one, it's nice to see you return to the Yu-Gi-Oh card game series and two, create something entirely unique compared to your sets in general, as well as what you have gone for in the past in terms of card selection. This set is unabashedly straightforward to the point of making LL raise a brow, as you elect to either throw ammo crystals out on the stage or store them in yourself, nerfing your movement speed. Be that as it may, movement speed isn't an especially interesting statistic to nerf, but once you realise how focused around chasing Cold Enchanter is, you see why it's important. It's the textbook high-risk high-reward playstyle, eviscerated in its purest form, which is delightful. The moveset, beyond being functional and not mind-numbing, comes across as simple, distinctive and thematically pleasant, having nice, modern takes on rushdown by dealing with dodging, rolling and shields in ways that are at first found to be somewhat boring, but become exciting in the context of a chase growing more and more desperate. In that sense I like that you chose to make the nerfs permanent to add weight to that decision. As do all of your new sets, it avoids being flashy and is down-to-Earth with how it approaches its playstyle, while having just enough interesting content to maintain my interest, good job Roy.

I'm sorry Nick, but FlashMan.EXE is just bad, bordering on worse than that. The idea is satisfying in its coolness but the way it works is ham-fisted. Forget FFAs, it's annoying to imagine in the one-on-one environment it is intended for - the opponent losing all sight of the match is a cruel and strangely easy effect to drop on them, like a frustrating assist trophy or stage hazard given life. I admit I lost my enthusiasm reading the set once I saw the minions and / or traps on standards and smashes, the lack of a playstyle section only makes me more confident in saying this was an extremely rushed moveset. I hope you continue making sets at this pace, you just need to learn the logistics of how they work, then you'd understand why having no defensive attacks (close-range, non-literal counters) is so negative.

It's great to see another HR set and this one has been getting insane praise. Garble's a minion set, having two dragons at his beck and call. What's wrong to me is there's no real flow into the way the minions work, besides the use of their hitboxes... as more range. Your approach is the same as ever, coming up with great looking animations and making a set that is easily imagined in Smash, but considering where Make Your Move has gone recently on the minion playstyle, this one feels positively retro and not in a good way. There's no need to be unsmash, nor does it need to be excessively complex to be good, just look at Manfred Von Karma's use of Captain Falcon clones. The fleeing and building up for your summons is good. Flying back and defending yourself, then turning that momentum on its head to assault the foe is cool. The dragon body type is good fodder and you're fine using that stuff, I simply hoped there'd be more interesting flow to the set, especially given the character has a personality to use. The extras are a nice touch as well as the match-ups, perhaps this set's popularity will help to galvanise a widespread return. Then all shall be well.

Princess Bubblegum seems to be breaking down from your tropes, though I'm not completely sure. There's an interesting focus in experimenting on your hair and crafting a weapon on-the-fly, giving the set dynamic flow, allowing you some versatility against different opponents, a fitting characterisation. I would have liked this more if there was a focus on the natural elements of the hair changing - best way to describe this is looking at that jab attack, which simply hits any opponents stuck on your bubblegum. Just some simple comboing off the hair would've been nice, and working that into the quick melee attacks could've taken the set to the next level. And I'll throw in a token complaint about the grab game here, sucking up five inputs to give her a creative, but quite boring projectile trap. It stands out because there are many good, imaginative moves that do flow well into the playstyle. The aerials are rushed (though not too bad given they help keep the set grounded in reality), but the specials and smashes are some of your best work in terms of staying relevant and interesting. As a result, it doesn't all come together perfectly, but it's enjoyable enough that the flaws are easily forgiven and is wholly original.

The Skeleton Head genre has never had an entry as in-smash as BeastMan.EXE, it's a set that is about the subtlety in the execution over dazzling with the ways in which his claws are combined. Not to say there aren't a couple of wonderful ideas hidden, such as the moving platform claw of the up smash, creating a compact stage to fight in out of claws alone and having the more instinctive moveset when you've bared all. BeastMan getting mindless as his set-ups become intricate is a fantastic dynamic considering the generic character. As a player, it's very fun to imagine simply being able to place these claws wherever you like, as it makes the playstyle surprisingly open-ended, though the set never ruins its accessibility. That is where BeastMan sets itself apart from its peers in the genre, as its simplicity makes it all too easy to believe that these claw traps can be slaved over in the middle of an intense match. It's not the most exciting moveset, but delivers fully on its initial promise and fits the hunter archetype, avoiding the derivative nature of other garbage sets in the genre. The up smash sold me on the set not being remotely bland, the aerials are where I realised its true awesomeness.

Larfleeze starts with huge promise. I loved the characterisation built up by the mechanic and specials, his greed in wanting to control everything in the match, in simple terms, was a fantastic base for the set. I especially loved your approach to these moves, as they seemed distinctively WoMF-ish without any of the negatives - just the little touches like Wario Waft's mechanic altering what minions you summon and walling off segments of the stage to better manage the chaos. However, after the specials the moveset doesn't do anything interesting with what it built up, most inputs being too bland to have a rudimentary link to the playstyle. Individually they are uniform in being an attack in x direction that does x damage and knockback. It's just not interesting, especially when you have room to be super creative in a 3v1, and it's underwhelming after a really great foundation. Let me re-iterate in this comment block, you don't have to be unsmash, there are now more than ever examples of sets that are simple without being boring. If this is not a design choice but a fear of being too flashy or unbalanced, those fears should be abandoned. The balance in the specials was perfectly fine - if you made every move like the specials you'd have made a huge improvement.

Okay, now I see the appeal of your sets, Violenceman. Thief has a great charm to it, with brisk descriptions following flowery specials, which release pressure on the later inputs. The way backstab works essentially lays a blanket over the entire set, giving Thief an interesting psychological effect on matches if nothing else. This concept has been explored before, but it is executed smartly in this set, the whole playstyle shaped around it at its core and Thief has equipped a fair share of tools designed to fit this purpose. So your presentation has a nice brevity to it, though you go off the rails at times, such as in the back air, an odd place for a flashy trap when, by comparison, his smashes are standard fare. These sets also walk a fine line and I wouldn't expect you to have perfected the art of balancing every move between simplicity and simply useless, as some sadly lean more toward the latter. There is one too many generic slash, spacing throw and long-ranged projectile aerial, at spots there is too much focus on damage racking over getting the KO. Nevertheless, these problems don't kill the momentum of a good set. It's impressive the amount of foresight there is in this set when utilising death traps of design like stealing and teleporting, two concepts that have often been abused by veterans as much as newcomers.

We're touching on new ground thematically in Ashens, a 3v1 stage-specific bloody stamina boss. I feel it's justified that I had little to no patience in terms of overzealous creativity when you've already got that many prerequisites. Then when you have an alternate KO mechanic, mass goop, slip 'n' slide and a second specific stage, it's not that it lacks flow, it's that it lacks a real focus. If you view it purely from the enjoyment you get out of reading, it's obviously a lot better, as the ideas are opaquely clear and the set only continues to throw wood on the fire as it adds layer upon layer of traps, easy and powerful interactions, halfway minions, etcetera. Character-wise, the playstyle is just okay. Ashens is nearly sadistic, barely keeping away from the Sid archetype. I didn't like the flamethrower, but not because it doesn't use Brawl's fire [???]. There's no reason to destroy your own toys, it's not like you need the space when you can fill two stages. The smashes stood out as awkward when the previous toy creating moves did actually work as the inputs originally intended. The smashes just place stuff, so it's a second set of, obviously worse, specials. You pulled it back some using the Master Hand-ish standards. Plus, there are genuinely new ideas surrounding the separation of a team and though largely not taken advantage of, the alternate stage idea is an interesting one. Seriously, I have almost no clue how that works outside of another stage existing that is to the left of the main stage. The character is certainly there in the writing and in a vacuum is excellent, as you could play out an actual episode of Ashens in its entirety, impressive in of itself. And with those extras and match-ups, it's hard to fault the dedication. Thus I'm unhappy that I end up mostly ambivalent toward the set, but its problems may be due to it breaking in some altogether new or unexplored concepts, or various creative mixtures.

A set I was once making, Mike Dawson is a breath of fresh air because it allows me to put that plan to bed and has a purposefully dumbed down approach, which was likely why I couldn't finish my own version. It does not take itself seriously, nor does it fall into the trap of focusing too heavily on the ring toss (I heavily dislike focusing on generic stun). The specials are an enjoyably tacky end to the reading process because they, as expected, tie together the loose ends, like the item-stealing throw and all the stalling when you're waiting for Jack to come and end the match in your favour. I kind of wish that was talked about more, but that would go against the intentionally rushed tone and make Dawson seem far more competent than is deserved. Playstyle-wise, the set has Dawson play more of a wall to the foe than anything else, the mentioned wall-of-pain inducing recovery being big part of that, but also with plenty of moves designed to kill the foe's own momentum and drag the match through the mud. You play as an annoying character who, while never killing the game, becomes a huge bore to fight in a Negative Man like way, controlling the match through his own incompetence. This is where I felt the statistical downfalls of the character weighed down any negative impact of stalling. It could be less unsmash but I'll chalk that up for charm - the balance is cut finely between keeping Dawson from being a professional boxer and creating a fighting game character all the same. You handled this set perfectly, right down to saving it as a JPEG so the links no longer work and using my banner. If criticism is what you want, then the self-imposed nerfs on strange inputs are a bit much, plus the headband of invisibility is described in a confusing, at times contradictory manner. I was shocked at just how little filler there is and that many of the generic moves had some small purpose in the overarching playstyle. This set was a massively pleasant surprise and I hope you don't dismiss my approval as bias, though loving to hate the character certainly didn't hurt when you heavily played off of that in the playstyle.

How you like Kammy can largely be pre-determined by if you prefer Rool Kamek to Nate's. If you do then this set is a glorious throwback to a well-remembered set that didn't age horribly, but for me, I never liked Rool's Kamek, and this set is basically that except not completely insane. Of course, Rool Kamek had potential to be better – in my opinion, you only need look at Nate's version to see that. Problems exist here like the grab game, four status effects for throws and a painfully derivative moving grab. Fine, she has traps, but it's missing the point of straightforward pitfalls and koopa shells to forcefully move an opponent into their way. The way blocks work don't mesh well into a standard fight when it easily could and doesn't need to be this unsmash, all that you're doing is creating a closed in area of varying degrees. There is also way too much filler to be forgiveable – the jab and neutral air, the generic size-altering moves and impossibly bland invisibility on potentially everything for a special. Nothing is added to these long-established concepts in this set, it's largely going through the motions and trying to get rid of most inputs in any way possible. I can't sense any passion, especially sad on a character who had the potential to have an interesting moveset.

Magnemite is not bad, but it suffers from a lack of focus. The core concept is great and a fitting start for what should be a simple Pokémon set. Your failure is an equally simple one, you don't elaborate on inputs enough to justify their blandness. Spinning the opponent in place for a throw and stamping on them as an airborne magnet is interesting stuff, I just wish I knew what relevance it had to magnetism. This didn't need to be on the inputs themselves, it would fit in the playstyle section. As it stands, this filler creates too big of a hole in the playstyle to make it decent. Pokémon who are weak in the canon are notoriously difficult to make into a set, as the set has to find a way to make up for their weakness and in Magnemite, you actually found a way to do it with magnetism. As said, many of the animations are interesting... the moves they're in simply ended far too quickly to get an idea of why they exist, leaving the reader feeling lost. Still, a big improvement from you, and I hope you learn valuable lessons from what went wrong.

From this day hence, the word "Tacky" is hereby forbidden in all commentry... unless the moveset is about a Tack.

INSTA SMADY SV

Bubbleman is my favorite set posted so far, for actually having some interesting concepts and fully fleshing them out. Even if you still loathe traditional grabs, you still manage to fill out all the inputs for once and there’s nary any filler to be found. Obscuring the bubbles with foam, having more direct control over where they go with brilliant moves like that dash attack, and spinning the bubble around with the throws give this the execution and focus DM’s version lacked – the two sets are more similar than I expected, quite honestly. But where DM wants you to get rid of attacks without hitboxes, he wants you to put in an irrelevant to everything gimping game. Props to you for sticking it out the whole way.

ICE ENCHANTER

This is a basic case that some of the other more indie-esque sets in this block have come across (Kammy, Magnemite), IMO, of just generically interacting with a core mechanic too much and assuming it will flow because it is interacting with a mechanic. Cold Enchanter has too ill defined goals for me to really get behind it, as there’s too much that differs between offense with the many more Brawl-esque attacks and the more old fashioned MYM stage construction with the walls and spikes and such. Especially when recovery is yet another option for Cold Enchanter to invest his icicles in, it feels like he has to go all or nothing in a sort of toolbox-ish versatility moveset. It flows much better when played defensively as you decrease the foe’s movement and try to camp, as this also means you can more feasibly actually recover than if you went offensive. The offensive stuff is still there, but it’s just. . .There, floating in space, contributing to my label of this set as more generic Junahu brand versatility that is not versatile.

MY LIFE AS A TEENAGE DRAGON

Yeah. I don’t even follow what the playstyle is supposed to be for this one. Is it just supposed to be some really, really, really basic pressuring? There’s the kicking up dirt, the anti-grab grab, and the incompetent minions that have to be shepherded despite lasting an incredibly short amount of time, and there’s not really a whole lot else. What I mean by the minions, is the fact that you have to command them to attack rather than them automatically doing so, which also means they can’t do things like “cover your ending lag” if you have to actively command them. The Fat one has his initial hitbox at least and does not need further babysitting after being commanded the second time, so that’s less awkward, but the purple one doesn’t do anything at all when summoned, then just has to be commanded to attack a single time afterwards to boot. It just feels like a massive chore when Garble has to summon and re-summon them again and again because of their short duration, especially in the purple one's case. This wouldn't be an issue if the set wasn't so offensively based, where having to be interrupted all the time to go do that sort of thing is more painstaking. I would complain less about these numbers, but you’re very firm in your belief on these smaller numbers based off Spadefox’s status effects and your stance on most boss sets.

While complaining about the dragon summons, I also find it very tacky in this otherwise very by the book set meant for literal Brawl implantation that the fat one summons a lava pit under his ass. When we were talking about it before release, I assumed he just made a crater Garble had to fill. Here, it seems like the fat one just shits himself to make the lava. These two dragons very much form the very weak core reminiscent of MYM 7 Sho, and without them the set is very Brawl-esque and difficult to like. There is so much more you could do with them specifically, and I thought that the “King of the Hoard” bit could’ve been used in the actual moveset.

RUSHED FOR 13 OPENING

It’s a decent enough concept, putting your hair down on the stage/abusing it on your back as a constant grab hitbox, and there’s more than enough in it to manipulate it properly – it’s even a fairly interesting concept to boot. The main thing is there isn’t much in terms of specific pay-off in terms of what to do with the hair beyond increased recovery prowess, which doesn’t have much to do with how you actually – fight- the foe. That’s not to say it’s useless, far from it, but the horrible lack of throws and rushed as all hell self-aware aerials really were quite needed to make this moveset make more actual use of the hair and have it interact with the foe, not just itself.

HARDEST CHAR CHOICE EVER

This indeed seems like somewhat of a jokeish set until you reach the specials, specifically the Side Special, where the set shockingly takes itself somewhat seriously. The set seems to have a decent playstyle very surprisingly given the extremely joke-ish nature of the character. While you make it a bit too possible for him to win than I’d immediately like, I like that the only reason he’s remotely viable in any way is because of Jack – really emphasizes Dawson’s patheticness when he’s flailing about for so much of his set before reaching that input. It’s very impressive how deep you’ve gone into Dawson’s library to find potential props to use, and you still manage to include them and make them relevant despite their incredibly tacky nature. My main complaint would just be landing the ring toss sounds like it would be one of his main ways of getting KOs on people by throwing it on recovering foes – he would be landing it far too much for me to be comfortable with.

EASIER CHAR CHOICE THAN GENGAR

Kammy has some basic stuff, tackily building block cages (Unmentioned and inferred on my part, much like Twilt’s terrible Joshua set) due to how randomly the blocks disregard gravity, putting a koopa shell inside, buffing the blocks, then teleporting the foe inside the block cage before getting herself out. The one interesting deviation is the throws, which I give you some credit for, though I agree with Froy’s criticism of how it should be Z + a direction to do the throws instead of how it is now, rather a pet peeve of mine. Things that don’t have to do with the blocks come across as complete and utter filler, and several of the moves that even do interact with the blocks don’t really contribute that much and are just assumed to you to be relevant because they interact, in a very substandard stage creation sort of way.

PRE-EVO OF LEAST ORIGINAL POKEMON

Magnemite’s playstyle feels too automatic for my taste. He locks on, then all he has to do is fire projectiles without care for aiming them, as they’ll all be heading the foe’s way anyway. Locking on in and of itself, doesn’t seem that hard to do. Granted, foes will be trying to stay close to Magnemite to minimize this advantage, but you can magnetize the floor to keep them in place, which also means you don’t have to bother locking on to foes in the first place. It doesn’t help that despite this set seeming so flowcharty, there’s not all that much flow anyway. Most of the flow comes from standard projectiles, while the non-projectile moves contribute nothing much of anything to his game. Rule of thumb for flow – you can’t just throw in that something interacts with something that’s a main part of his game and assume it flows, it has to actually contribute to his end-goal and do something that another move doesn’t already do.

Darth Meanie said:

a flamethrower which behaves like no fire anywhere else in brawl

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Oh for ****’s sake.

I don’t care about the rest of your comment. You dislike bosses because they aren’t in Brawl and have stated this already on Larfleeze. Blah blah. This is the only part that gets me off. I don’t give a crap it doesn’t behave like it’s already in Brawl. In Brawl, it does damage and knockback, where even a bloody generic burning status effect that does poison damage would not be like fire “anywhere else in Brawl”. Yes, the flamethrower is an Insta KO Mechanic, but you didn’t complain about that (Which would be a perfectly fine complaint), no, you complained about it because it’s unlike anything else in Brawl!

The main thing you hated about Hammerhead was that the pitfall status effect doesn’t work as it does in Brawl. Guess what? Hardly anybody is designing movesets specifically to be implemented directly into the game. We’re simply designing them to be implementable into a game period that uses Smash Bros’ engine. Suggesting that each and every moveset co-exists in a game with overly specific rules and regulations that must be followed is nothing short of asinine, when a set like Hammerhead is more functional than most of your garbage movesets but is hand-waved simply because it doesn’t follow a trivial animation for Brawl.

Clearly every single one of these movesets is intended to co-exist in the same game. When I talk about “MYM Brawl”, I mean a specific selection of movesets chosen from MYM to feasibly function together while still adhering to MYM philosophies, not every MYM set ever made. But no, clearly, we are to make our movesets unique from the other 2000 movesets already posted, while simultaneously following a specific set of rules on specific objects from a game that none of us have control over.

Time for HR to activate his defense stance against the mighty master of warlords! No worries Junahu and Smash Daddy, I have read both of your comments/critique, and for Jun in particular I will be fixing-up some of the move descriptions soon. EDIT: Improved Midair Jump and Jab description, along with small tweaks to a few other attacks.

MasterWarlord said:

MY LIFE AS A TEENAGE DRAGON

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Now I want a Garble-themed spinoff of FiM with this name.

Yeah. I don’t even follow what the playstyle is supposed to be for this one. Is it just supposed to be some really, really, really basic pressuring? There’s the kicking up dirt, the anti-grab grab, and the incompetent minions that have to be shepherded despite lasting an incredibly short amount of time, and there’s not really a whole lot else. What I mean by the minions, is the fact that you have to command them to attack rather than them automatically doing so, which also means they can’t do things like “cover your ending lag” if you have to actively command them. The Fat one has his initial hitbox at least and does not need further babysitting after being commanded the second time, so that’s less awkward, but the purple one doesn’t do anything at all when summoned, then just has to be commanded to attack a single time afterwards to boot. It just feels like a massive chore when Garble has to summon and re-summon them again and again because of their short duration, especially in the purple one's case. This wouldn't be an issue if the set wasn't so offensively based, where having to be interrupted all the time to go do that sort of thing is more painstaking. I would complain less about these numbers, but you’re very firm in your belief on these smaller numbers based off Spadefox’s status effects and your stance on most boss sets.

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His playstyle, in the technical sense, is shifting between offense and defense depending on whether he has his summons/lava in play. And there's some tech-chasing and grabby stuff and stuff about having a good air game and not liking opponents above him and doing timing-based mixups with his dust-stun. Totally "basic".

As FRoy and I said in chat, the delay before they appear and the double-inputs are so Garble has a chance to actually get the foe into position while they show up, but there's even more to it than that. Putting the delay on their actual appearance means that I get to give Garble relatively quick summoning animations (so he's guaranteed to get them out without a lot of trouble) while still giving his opponent a chance to attack him while he's alone. Even without his summons he still has things like a 1-frame jab, a fast grab with good range that leads to powerful throws, his dust-stun, and his air game. And even if the fat dragon somehow dies instantly, he has a lava pit that lasts for 9 seconds. Heck, even if he doesn't get to do constant ZOMG DEATH pressure/combos, he has 2 moves for suicide KOs along with an air game that naturally lends itself to edge-guarding, he has plenty of ways to take care of himself without perpetually relying on the summons.

While complaining about the dragon summons, I also find it very tacky in this otherwise very by the book set meant for literal Brawl implantation that the fat one summons a lava pit under his ass. When we were talking about it before release, I assumed he just made a crater Garble had to fill. Here, it seems like the fat one just shits himself to make the lava. These two dragons very much form the very weak core reminiscent of MYM 7 Sho, and without them the set is very Brawl-esque and difficult to like. There is so much more you could do with them specifically, and I thought that the “King of the Hoard” bit could’ve been used in the actual moveset.

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The main reason for the fat one creating the lava pit is because I didn't want Garble's set-up to be any more complex than it currently is. Considering we're talking about a villain from a children's cartoon I don't see anything "tacky" about his sheer weight creating pits of lava. On that note, I'd love to hear how King of the Hoard could be implemented into the main set in a meaningful way, it's practically begging to be the final smash.

As for the "Brawl-esque" comment, that comes down to how much our movesetting philosophies have differed over the years. Don't you see, Warlord? Now that Rool's been reduced to a hobo in a box, I've ended up taking his place as your arch-nemesis. MWAHAHAHA.