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Glad to see MYM is still having argument over how in-smash or un-smash we "should" be and holding xat-style arguments in the thread and all that good stuff. Meanwhile, I spent my time without internet coming up with some PSABR movesets, as well as some updates for a certain teenage dragon moveset that I've already implemented. Check them out! Or just sit tight and wait for my 2nd moveset of MYM13 to be posted soon!

Assuming my computer doesn't spontaneously combust, I'll be in the chat tonight!

Note: This is the "plaintext" version of my Rose moveset. By which I mean not written in-character, but rather in my overly casual voice. Please give the "stylized" version a try. You can find it by clicking here.
For the record I'd like the stylized version to be the one on the moveset list

There will indeed be a playstyle section coming, I just have not gotten around to it yet due to writing this thing twice.

[collapse="Changelist"]To those of you who actually read the stylized version, you have my thanks. There's quite a few new things that you may not have picked up on/just plain didn't EXIST in it for whatever reason, which I have alleviated here.

• Playlist added whoo
• There is now a grounded version of the DTilt. Apparently I deleted that in the original.
• Up Special has been turned into the Final Smash, previous glide mechanic is now the Up Special. Damage taken while in flight, which heals in-between flight sessions.
• Re-balanced the Seer mechanic.
• Down Smash explored further, reduction of efficiency explained.
• FAir "grim" version buffed significantly.

Rose
I am probably the first person not to adore this particular moveset, though really I'm a bit surprised it's reception's been this good so far. I mean, the Up Special in the original, as you yourself have admitted too, literally served no purpose at all. The writing in the initial version is pretty hard to comprehend, especially towards the end, to the point I've reserved commenting it until now. Because I want to see a set for what it is, not bloody interpret. I will say though that the presentation of the original is a really nice tribute to the character, at the very least.

The concepts introduced gradually in the set are... decent, with thread based stage construction being the focus. Some of Kat's recent sets and Kammy have shown that generic stage construction is really growing stale... at the very least, Rose provides some twists on it. Namely creating slack thread that doesn't really function as proper stage construction and is far more easily flexible, which certainly has it's advantages. I find it very awkward how you dedicate an entire special to tethering it down, you could argue it's more intuitive but that move does literally nothing without string. Combining it with Neutral Special somehow probably would've been good for the set, as it only frees up another blood SPECIAL. Side Special also feels like it should've just been "oh she can roll in the air during her free flight" or something, given as the side effect of the move right now feels horribly... mediocre and irrelevant, though it also kind of invalidates any reason to actually roll.

No I'm not nearly done complaining about the bad in this set, sorry to say. The Luxkin mechanic really is awful, feeling like an awkward gimmick that tries to represent her future sense... but in all honesty it feels like in actual gameplay it'd get annoying. If the outcome really is ideal or one of the most ideal ones, the stupid light showing up indicates it as an obvious route for you to do, giving a foe an easy route to counter it and providing much frustration to the Rose player. There are times when it'll work out in your favor, but as is it actually hurts her playability. There's a large amount of filler in the set, with moves like UThrow that are relatively fancy animations that are good for the character, but don't contribute much. More importantly, moves like FThrow, Up Tilt, and Dair really just feel gimmicky to me, having some rather tacked on additional effects that make the former two more awkward to use and the Dair is just desperately trying to be creative. I figured I'll also mention Bair, which is really frustrating if you need to defend your back and you just have to retract string to do so.

For what it's worth, I at least appreciate all the set tries to do in regards to expressing the character. You gradually expand on her abilities, making the set twisty and more interesting as it goes along, at the end rewarding us with a shockingly awesome DSmash which singlehandedly saved the set from dislike for me, as well as some cool stuff like using thread as ziplines/projectile reflectors/tethers. I wish the set tried to utilize tethering itself to the foe a bit more, but it's an overdone concept anyway. Honestly I'm not joking when I say DSmash is probably the sole reason I find the set tolerable really, given that the move gives her a ton of versatility and is very fascinating in it's numerous potential functions... I only wish more of the set was like that, really. Aside from that, the set's clearly trying to exhibit the character and does so very well, but from the perspective of her gameplay it often ends up costing you.

ForwardArrow said:

Rose
I am probably the first person not to adore this particular moveset, though really I'm a bit surprised it's reception's been this good so far. I mean, the Up Special in the original, as you yourself have admitted too, literally served no purpose at all. The writing in the initial version is pretty hard to comprehend, especially towards the end, to the point I've reserved commenting it until now. Because I want to see a set for what it is, not bloody interpret. I will say though that the presentation of the original is a really nice tribute to the character, at the very least.

The concepts introduced gradually in the set are... decent, with thread based stage construction being the focus. Some of Kat's recent sets and Kammy have shown that generic stage construction is really growing stale... at the very least, Rose provides some twists on it. Namely creating slack thread that doesn't really function as proper stage construction and is far more easily flexible, which certainly has it's advantages. I find it very awkward how you dedicate an entire special to tethering it down, you could argue it's more intuitive but that move does literally nothing without string. Combining it with Neutral Special somehow probably would've been good for the set, as it only frees up another blood SPECIAL. Side Special also feels like it should've just been "oh she can roll in the air during her free flight" or something, given as the side effect of the move right now feels horribly... mediocre and irrelevant, though it also kind of invalidates any reason to actually roll.

No I'm not nearly done complaining about the bad in this set, sorry to say. The Luxkin mechanic really is awful, feeling like an awkward gimmick that tries to represent her future sense... but in all honesty it feels like in actual gameplay it'd get annoying. If the outcome really is ideal or one of the most ideal ones, the stupid light showing up indicates it as an obvious route for you to do, giving a foe an easy route to counter it and providing much frustration to the Rose player. There are times when it'll work out in your favor, but as is it actually hurts her playability. There's a large amount of filler in the set, with moves like UThrow that are relatively fancy animations that are good for the character, but don't contribute much. More importantly, moves like FThrow, Up Tilt, and Dair really just feel gimmicky to me, having some rather tacked on additional effects that make the former two more awkward to use and the Dair is just desperately trying to be creative. I figured I'll also mention Bair, which is really frustrating if you need to defend your back and you just have to retract string to do so.

For what it's worth, I at least appreciate all the set tries to do in regards to expressing the character. You gradually expand on her abilities, making the set twisty and more interesting as it goes along, at the end rewarding us with a shockingly awesome DSmash which singlehandedly saved the set from dislike for me, as well as some cool stuff like using thread as ziplines/projectile reflectors/tethers. I wish the set tried to utilize tethering itself to the foe a bit more, but it's an overdone concept anyway. Honestly I'm not joking when I say DSmash is probably the sole reason I find the set tolerable really, given that the move gives her a ton of versatility and is very fascinating in it's numerous potential functions... I only wish more of the set was like that, really. Aside from that, the set's clearly trying to exhibit the character and does so very well, but from the perspective of her gameplay it often ends up costing you.

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Since I presume I am this set's primary "supporter" due to my ranking of it, I felt like I should defend it.

First off, you liked Alice and she had two inputs that didn't work without her dolls in a similiar manner. It's a lot cleaner and easier to have multiple moves for it rather than stuffing it into a single ubermove, even if it does take away a move slot. Or so goes my thought on this for Rose, at least.

Secondly, I think you might have missed the part about Luxkin where he mentions that you can use ANY move with the Luxkin, and that the most fortuitous part is merely a suggestion and to a lesser extent, a way to give it a fancy animation. It is even lampshaded that since the enemy sees it too, that part of it isn't a part that matters. It's basically a power boost at a specific place, which offers multitudes of interesting possibilites: Does one follow it, but become more predictable in where they are? Does a foe try to camp Luxkin areas and possibly fall victim to Rose's other attacks or let her construct her stage? What about appearing in a nicely designed thread construction? There seem to be more possibilities here than you give it credit for, I feel.

DAir isn't really gimmicky, given that Rose has a defensive focus with the thread and the fact waiting can be quite beneficial to her with stuff like Luxkin, while the effect seems fine enough: Defensive meneaveur (God I can't spell that word), damage reduction, simple. Also, you don't have to retract string to do so: Pressing A twice causes her to use her standard, non-stringed if generic BAir, allowing you to defend your back fine. U-Tilt/F-Throw depends on the person, though I thought F-Throw was (COOL). U-Throw arguably has some relevance: It gets them in the air, gets Rose high in the air and can position the foe right in front of Rose. Remember how D-Smash's size and thus the danger it represents to Rose gets smaller the higher in the air she is...?

[collapse="Rose Lalonde"]Having read through both the stylized and plaintext version, Rose is an atmospherically invigorating set that puts character ahead of conceptual labor that the likes of FA expect from every veteran set. While I found the first parts of the stylized version to be quite astounding what with its MYM1 feel (seriously man, go read Socrates and the like), I actually enjoyed the plaintext version more if for being less claustrophobic and somewhat still keeping some of the original's tone (but with 200% more snark, obviously). I'll just say here that ever since you've become active this contest, I've come to admire you for your sense of writing style and actually envy it.

Given how I've been enticed by sets with great atmosphere in this contest such as Wonka and your Pharaoh Man, most would probably assume that this set would be on SV level for me, but....I have some issues with the presentation itself. It's true that Rose does have the atmosphere, but it feels distorted for whom the target audience is supposed to be, and the need to stay true to the original context does backfire - this manifests itself in the stylized version, as while that does justice to those who know the series from back to front like Froy, those who want to know what the attacks do straight and through can end up being lost on some of the moves such as the F-Smash (I still don't really understand it in the plaintext mostly because the actual object used as the tether is not mentioned, and one has to guess it's either the beam or the string based on the move ordering) and just what the heck the Seer of Light section is. There's also the vague description of the F-throw and how it only seems to damage you as well when all players' combined damage amounts to 140%, if I'm not mistaken.

You had this coming though, and as such promised the plaintext version and eventually delivered it, effectively being a different narration for the same set....but that's wherein another problem arises. Some of the moves just came off as having felt like a chore to write-up on your part, and it's obvious from the snarky tone that makes some of the moves more annoying to read through than they should be, a downside to an otherwise amusing tone - take this line from the Dash Attack, as an example "Sadly, there's really nothing to say about this attack. While it was fun to write in-character, explaining how to get the best momentum out of physically sliding into the opponent, it really just boils down to Rose coasting to the ground". I'm specifically complaining about this context of the set because of how the presentation of the set was handled and how it's not a trend with your previous sets what with Pharaoh Man and Heavy, meaning it's a one-off thing due to having essentially made the same set twice. I don't think the presentation was executed that well on that note, but could very easily have been if only the plaintext version had been released - Homestuck comes off to me as being more fantasy-based over internet-based, or at least this character does, so the plaintext is very fitting, if even more so than the stylish version.

Ignoring the presentation, the actual atmosphere provided by the attacks. I came to realize that placing basic attacks on one input, the thread gimmicks on another and then dark magic and so on was somewhat acceptable, at least from a gameplay point of view, but it feels very difficult for me to relate to due to having little motif and this character being absorbed in the fantasy world that is Homestuck. It does kind of come off as being crazy and irrelevant of me to include in the comment for the most part, but it's a problem I've had with every other Homestuck moveset save for Doc Scratch where it felt like a whole lot of randomness. It's probably helped by how the set and those others come off as being "I'm not going to tell you everything about this character, you come here and research yourself.", which probably can't be helped given the nature of the series but isn't very inviting. It almost even feels unfair to judge the set on that basis, but my enjoyment of the set is at stake here.

For all the ranting on my unnecessarily long and somewhat unjustified comment, I didn't quite enjoy Rose as much as I thought I would if because I thought some of the presentation was a little skewered and a bit too fan-ccentric to adhere to a normal audience, as ambitious as it was in that department. Some of it could have been done a little better, whereas the other half comes from my personal thought as what it means to enjoy a set. [/collapse]

Smady is one of the characters found within the Smashboards contest, Make Your Move, a movie loaded to the brim with Nintendo Villains. In the contest, Smady is a puppeteer, traveling around the thread in his caravan. He commands an awe-inspiring presence, the chat shaking upon him entering, as he flies into a blinding rages at random. He is incredibly greedy, actively going out of his way to obtain votes - which works well with his stagename of Smash Daddy, as he often plays up to the crowd to obtain more precious gold. He has an encounter with Wizzerd himself when Kupa and Kat, two street cons, bring the wooden boy to him. After Wizzerd becomes convinced it would make his "father" proud, he participates in Smady's puppet show, becoming an instant sensation. However, when he attempts to leave, Smady locks him in a cage, bragging about how much votes he will make from the little puppet. When he leaves, however, Wizzerd quickly escapes with a little help, leaving the fate of Smash Daddy unknown...


Weight: 9
Size: 9
Falling Speed: 9
Aerial Movement: 7
Traction: 4
Movement: 2
Jumps: 2

Idle Stance
Smady stands with his hands on his hips, rarely glancing from side to side.

Walk
Smady walks without taking his hands off his hips, his belly bouncing as he walks.

Run
Smady runs with gigantic strides of his legs, practically jumping to walk along. He pumps his arms in tandem with this.

Crouch
Smady kneels down to the ground as he strokes his neckbeard, as if inspecting something.

Dizzy
Smady places his hands on either side of his head as he staggers back and forth.

Sleep
Smady sleeps standing in the stereotypical Nintendo fashion - almost inhaling the tip of his neckbeard as he stares the first part of the snore, before exhaling and sending it blowing back away.


Down Special: Puppet Show

Smady motions to the top of the sky and then points down in a very swift motion, taking about the same time as Ganon's jab. Immediately after he finishes motioning, a puppet like one of the ones shown above (Slightly shorter than Mario) falls down from the top blast zone at Sonic’s dashing speed. It’s connected to it by proposals, and after being summoned will start dancing in place with the infamous Russian kicking dance. It will kick out to each side two times each, dealing 3% and knockback that KOs at 160%, then extend out all its’ limbs at once as it shouts “GAY!”, creating a hitbox all around itself that deals 5% and knockback that KOs at 180%. The puppet will continue to do this in an infinite loop, and Smady can have up to four out at a time. Inputting Down B with one out will replace the oldest one, it getting yanked back up off the top blast zone.

Attacking the puppets themselves doesn’t hurt them in the slightest or even interrupt their dance. They still take the knockback, but their proposals will cause them to swing back towards the foe with realistic physics (And back and forth a bit as they lose momentum), boosting the power of their kicks with momentum they pick up from the attack. The puppets are very light, but can never be killed by this. Smady himself can attack the puppets like this to turn them into more active hitboxes against the foe, with the more sensible option being that a swinging puppet will force another puppet to start swinging if it hits it - two swinging puppets meeting up will cause a large hitbox to take place, dealing 20% damage and high knockback if the foe is traped between them.

To defeat the puppet, you must attack the proposal connecting the puppet to the top blast zone. It has a paltry 15% stamina, so this is rather easy. Once the puppet’s proposal is cut, it will fall down lifelessly and must be tossed off the stage before Smady can throw another. It becomes a generic throwing item for foes if they pick it up, but if Smady picks up this puppet he will hold it by the cut proposals, animating it himself if he stands in idle (And visibly mouthing “Gay!” when the puppet extends out all limbs). Holding a puppet in this manner does not prevent Smady from using attacks like when most characters are holding items – he can use all but his grab, which enables him to drop/throw the puppet away. Several of his attacks in fact change if Smady’s holding a puppet, largely due to the hand that he uses to punch and what-not being the one he holds his puppet in.

If you don’t want to carry a puppet along with you but still want to get mileage out of a puppet when the foe is adamant about cutting them down, your unseen helpers at the top blast zone don’t have to lower the puppets all the way to the ground. If you input Down B when a puppet is already being lowered, it will stop being lowered and stay at the elevation it’s currently at. In addition, if you use the move in the air the puppet will be lowered to your current location rather than the ground. The puppets must be at least 3 Ganons from the ground at bare minimum.

Neutral Special: Appealing To The Crowd
Smady turns to the camera and takes several very deep bows, blowing kisses and yelling happily in british. This causes either votes or tomatoes to be thrown at Smady from the foreground. By default, tomatoes will be thrown at Smady for the next 20 seconds. The off-screen audience will throw tomatoes at Smady even if he moves from where he was originally standing. While these tomatoes can indeed hurt Smady, if a foe is adamantly chasing Smady and he's fleeing it's likely they'll be the ones getting by the tomatoes. The tomatoes deal 5% and flinching on contact, and one is thrown every 2 seconds,

Now, the longer puppets have been dancing since you've last used this move, the more gold votes will be sent your way. A puppet Smady is personally using while in idle counts for this. Having more puppets out dancing multiplies this. After a maximum of one puppet dancing for 45 seconds or 4 puppets for 11.25 seconds, this move will be maxxed, with Smady flashing gold somewhat like how Wario flashes with a maxxed fart. At max, the move produces 35 votes over 5 seconds.

These votes deal a mere 1% and no flinch to the enemy, but each and every vote heals Smady of 1% on contact. Unlike with the tomatoes, this requires Smady to stand still to reap the benefits rather than flee, as votes vanish on contact with the ground. Considering how many votes will be coming so quickly, foes will be quite frantic during this brief period to pressure you, making this an excellent time to capitalize on Smady's defensive melee moves.

Smady cannot use this move again until the audience stops throwing things at him. Also keep in mind that Smady will be able to collect votes even if he loses a stock - the puppets remain onstage even after he dies, allowing him to immediately come back and collect votes if needed, or collect them at a much later time.

Up Special: Smady Ban
Smady reaches behind his head to reach for his banhammer, before he swings it forwards. It's a respectable KO move, dealing 12% and knockback that kills at 95%. It's not the fastest KO move around, but it's not unusable by any stretch of the imagination.

This will destroy proposals if it comes into contact with them, necessary due to proposals being immune to the rest of Smady's attacks, and him likewise being immune to their attacks. If you want the bonuses of a puppet in your hands but the foe isn't knocking the puppets down, this is your go-to-move.

While in the air, Smady swings it upwards in a very Marth-esque motion - though he only recovers half the distance. As should be rather obvious, he keeps the same damage/cutting properties. However, even with his decent aerial movement, his falling speed ensures that he plops down like a rocket. Smady's recovery is hell, meaning that he'll want to stay onstage at all costs.

Side Special: Goldman Sachs
Smady takes out a sack, eyeing it with greed. With no votes (You can obtain them via Neutral Special), he simply attempts to grab foes with it - only grabbing their head if it's literally impossible to grab all of them. After this, he'll tie the opening of the bag shut with some proposal and force foes to escape it with average grab difficulty. Foes can take knockback inside of the bag, but not damage. Foes can still jump while inside of the bag to move about, but cannot attack or move normally.

If there are 10 or more votes in the bag, Smady will attempt to slap the bag of gold downwards for a KO move. With 10 votes, this does a token 8% and knockback that KOs at 150%. With 25, it deals 20% and knockback that KOs at 70%. This can go all the way up to 35, this being the cap, dealing 30% and knockback that kills at 55%.

The best part is this move is largely lagless regardless of how many votes are in the bag, making this a reward well worth the effort put in. Beware that every time you use the move, 4 votes slip out/get knocked out of the bag and there's no way to get those specific votes back.


Grab - Proposals
Smady attempts to grab the foe with a typically heavyweight grab. If successful, he will automatically tie up the foe, connecting four proposals to their limbs, holding the ends of them in his palm. This occurs before the foe can even attempt to grab escape at all.

Now, if the foe "grab-escapes", Smady will still be holding onto the proposal afterwards. This prevents the foe from moving more than a platform away from Smady. They can destroy the proposal, but this proposal has a bit more HP, 26 to be precise. If Smady or the foe deal knockback to each other, both will end up taking said knockback. If the foe is the one taking said knockback, though, Smady can cut the proposal on demand with his sword.

While Smady's throws deal knockback to the foe by default, they release them from the proposal. Holding the grab input while they're being thrown causes them to not take the knockback, only being moved a slight distance away - to make up for this, they take double the damage from the throw. In addition, inputting grab when you already have a foe tied to you in this way will cause Smady to yank on the foe's proposal, pulling them half a platform towards him and causing them to trip if on the ground. If he has a puppet, he will first throw that at the foe before he can yank on the proposal.

Spoiler

By pressing grab while holding an item, Smady will grab it and attach his proposals to it. While this hardly has any relevance in a 1v1, this can come in useful in a casual FFA setting, allowing Smady to be more of a threat, or be useful in specific match-ups against item-making foes.

Pummel - british Rage
This is not a traditional pummel state, rather being one that can be held out for 3 seconds by holding the button. Smady pulls the victim up to his level and begins yelling at them in british - if the foe attempts to escape during this time, Smady delivers a mighty slap that releases them automatically. This deals 18% damage and high knockback, being one of your best killers in this regard, the proposals will fly off of them regardless of if you hold the grab input or not. The foe has no chance to slip out in the middle of Smady's yelling, but will automatically slip out after the pummel ends. This motion allows you to potentially hold them in place longer - thereby keeping them from destroying your puppets early, allowing you to reap more of the crowd's reward.

Up Throw - Lasso
Smady throws the foe up, still holding the proposals, before spinning them around in circles above his head. This does no damage, hardly doing any damage - in fact, this throw isn't done yet...

The foe can button mash out of this, having to escape at 1.5x grab difficulty - which causes them to go flying in a random direction and take 4% damage, likely getting deattached from their proposals if Smady isn't holding the grab input. Now, Smady can throw them from this state by choosing a direction on the control stick - though he is only able to throw them in upwards or forward-angled directions. Throwing them deals 5% damage by default - with 2% damage for every second you were able to keep them grabbed without them mashing out. While the foe is incredibly likely to mash out and render your hard work useless, you can time this to throw them just before they escape - and their escape may be prolonged if a swinging puppet is around.

Side Throw - Twirl-Around
Smady grabs his opponent by their proposals and twirls them around himself 3 times before he throws them in the direction you picked, with 7% damage and good knockback - this move comes off as more useful when you consider that there may be puppets dancing near you, as this allows you to slam your foe into the puppet a few times for extra damage before releasing them - as well as forcing them to build the puppet's momentum for you.

Down Throw - Slamdown
Smady grabs the proposals and slams them down to the ground in front of himself, taking the foe with them - they smash down on the ground, taking 6% damage and laying down in prone. This is one of Smady's best ways of shoving them into prone easily, with the only prerequisite being that you put them into your grab. Take note that this is the only one of Smady's throws that doesn't boost damage if you're not releasing them from the proposals - as they're not taking knockback anyway, though you can still choose to release them from the proposals regardless.


Jab: Laughter
Smady throws up his hands in laughter for the initial hit, dealing 5% and weak vertical knockback. The second portion of the jab has raise up his hand high before slapping his knee, dealing 6% and downward knockback to send foes to the ground.

The first hit of the move will cause a puppet you're holding onto to get sent up into the air. If they're in the air to start with, the first hit can still be of some use as it sends the foe even higher up into the air, potentially putting them out of range from hitting you with their aerials. The second hit will send the object tied to the proposals to the ground if it was in the air. If the foe was in the middle of the aerial, they'll now be stuck in the landing lag of said aerial. There's plenty of leeway with when you can use the second part of the jab, so use it in a unpredictable manner to avoid getting hit by aerial enemies. Puppets/foes deal 4% and weak knockback as they are flung about by this move.

Do take note that this is one of Smady's only real anti-aerials, and that the puppet forms a hitbox primarily in front of him - meaning he's still vulnerable if a foe chooses to approach from behind...

Forward Tilt: Knock-a You Silly!
Smady delivers a mighty backhand in front of himself. This deals 8% and has a pretty good reach, potentially halting approaching foes.

With a puppet in-hand, this will cause the puppet to end up behind you, as Smady covers a wide arc with his backhand. The puppet will stay in this position if you enter idle, meaning this can be useful if you predict a foe's going to roll behind you to try and catch you off-guard. The puppet also has a bonus hitbox as it spins backwards for 6% and flinching. This can also be useful while dashing to hit foes chasing you, such as when the audience is throwing tomatoes at you.

Up Tilt: Lariat
Smady does his best Zangief impression as he extends out his arms to either side then starts spinning in place. This deals a nice little 7% damage and covers both sides of Smady, leaving only his head open to attack.

If this hits a puppet, it will cause it to begin spinning in place for the next 3 seconds - becoming a hitbox that deals multiple containing hits of 2% damage, as well as being hard to DI out of. It will also reflect all projectiles that are thrown at it. After the 3 seconds are up, the puppet will attack using the normal "GAY!" hitbox, before the cycle repeats. Smady can use this against a puppet multiple times to increase the time it spins (adding 3 seconds every time he hits it), though as it will swing away from you a bit when you use this, it will be difficult to make it become a constantly-spinning hitbox.

Using this on a puppet with proposals attached will cause them to spin around Smady with this hitbox for the duration of the attack, allowing Smady a way to reflect projectiles as a defense.

Down Tilt: Rolling on the Floor
Smady bursts out into laughter again and falls into prone. Smady has a unique prone stance - he lays on his back, laughing with his hands on his belly. Rather than his get-up rolls giving him invulnerability, these cause Smady to form a hitbox. Likewise, his "get-up attack" doubles as a dodge as Smady gets up. Essentially, Smady's prone is reversed from a normal character's.

Smady's "rolls" cause him to continue laughing as he rolls three quarters of a platform in the direction chosen. This will cause Smady to trip any foes he rolls past (He can still be attacked fine and dandy from behind), dealing 6% and if they were already in prone before he passed them cause them to get dragged with him to the end of where he intends to roll, dealing 10% to them in the process. This does not beat out enemy get-up attacks, but will beat out enemy attempts to roll up from prone.

Dash Attack: Charger
Smady reaches out with a grab hitbox as he runs forward - stopping with some bad end leg if he doesn't grab anybody. Should he succeed in grabbing someone, he will dash forward with them, holding them in front of himself to act as an attack sponge. After a second of this, Smady grabs the foe and takes an item they may be holding, kicking them away for 7% damage.


Down Smash: Spinning Punch
Smady cracks his knuckles, before he punches so fast that he spins himself around as he punches. This causes Smady to turn into a hitbox that deals 19-30% and knockback that kills at 155-95%. If Smady is carrying a puppet, he'll spin the puppet around himself for the move's duration, it turning into a hitbox that deals 8-14% and knockback that kills at 160-135%. If Smady is holding a puppet -and- a foe (He must grab the foe first for this to work), he will stop holding out one of his arms towards the end of the move, slamming the object that's being held into the other object. This will cause both objects to take 22-32% and knockback that kills at 105-65%, getting sent flying in opposite directions.

While an obvious killing move, this requires some set up - you'll need to not only grab the foe, but get a puppet as well. Even without the foe, this still has it's uses, as this becomes one of Smady's best ranged melee attack when he has a puppet attached.

Forward Smash: British Rampage
Smady spazzes out in place for the charging animation, making an incredibly loud noise. At the end of this, Smady begins releasing several wild punches in front of himself as he moves 3 Platforms forward at his dash speed, his neckbeard shaking back and forth as he madly screams in british all the while. Contact with a punch from Smady deals 10-19% damage and good knockback, launching foes horizontally away from him. This is one of your best tools for when a foe approaches you from the front, as you're an active hitbox and can't be knocked out by standard melee attacks. You can still be knocked out of this by projectiles, disjointed hitboxes and attacks to the back, however.

A more situational use for this, is using it while tethered to a foe - the foe is forced to move forward, lest they get hit by your rampage, potentially causing them to come into contact with a puppet or whatever you've laid out in their path.

When you use this with a puppet in hand, it becomes far more effective - as Smady's rapid punches keep the puppet in front of himself at all times as it moves up and down. The puppet deals 8-16% if it hits anyone, not only increasing this move's hitbox by a bit, but more importantly - acting as an attack sponge for Smash Daddy, making him less likely to be knocked out of this.

Up Smash: Smady Stomp
Smady begins to look gradually annoyed with the foe, before he jumps into the air, holding his arms behind his back. The distance in which you jump upwards is influenced by how long you charged, ranging from one Kirby upwards to a Ganondorf. During this time, you can move about in the air with Smady's aerial movement to choose where you land, obviously being more effective if you charge longer, for obvious reasons. Once he lands back on the ground, he lets out a booming yell of "QUIET!". There is a bit of end lag here, but not enough to make this in-viable.

Upon landing on the ground, the ground around Smady shakes thanks to his massive weight - a platform on either side of Smady, to be exact. If foes are within this range, they are stunned for half a second - while you don't have much time to capitalize, this is an excellent opportunity to get a grab in on them. No, you can't just spam this to stack stun on the foe, as they cannot be affected by this for 3 seconds after you use it once.

If foes are on the ground in prone when you use this, they take 5-11% damage and are immediately knocked upwards from it - possibly allowing you to capitalize on their newfound state if you can get out of your end lag quick enough, perhaps with a followup fsmash? More importantly, if you land on a foe in prone, they take 16-25% damage and high upwards knockback. This is one of your only attacks that launches them upwards - but it allows you to get them out of your (lack of) hair for a few moments, if you need to gather more votes especially.


Neutral Aerial: Stomach Jut
Smady faces the screen, and after some minor startup, swings out his right/left half out, which side swinging out depending on what direction you push the control stick in during the startup (it is chosen randomly otherwise). Getting hit by Smady deals 6% damage and horizantal knockback - attacking him will cause them to take the knockback of the attack they just hit him with, effectively allowing him a counter - which works well in close range.

Forward Aerial: PUSH!
Smady PUSHES the foe in the public's eye! He quickly shoves in front of himself, this is an incredibly fast maneuver that deals 4% damage and pushes the foe away with decent set knockback - allowing you to effectively space them with this move.

This is easily your best aerial to actually deal with midair foes - as it allows you to effectively push them away from proposals they might be attempting to cut, as well as possibly into a stray puppet if you want to boost their momentum a bit.

While you have a puppet in hand, the rough shove from Smady causes it to fly forwards in an actual hitbox - dealing 8% and good knockback, giving you a hitbox that deals knockback more than the typical set knockback. A foe attached to proposals is also forced to fly forwards, dealing the same damage if they meet a puppet or it's proposals - Smady can quickly cut the proposal to set them flying forwards.

Back Aerial: Spin Punch
Smady turns around as he punches. He turns in such a way that the arm he's punching with is the less practical to more immediately hit behind himself, causing his arm to be blocked off from hitting behind himself for a time due to his fat. This bair turns Smady around, and the laggy punch deals 11% and knockback that KOs at 90%.

If you have a puppet, this will cause it to get wrapped around yourself, the proposal spinning around Smady until the puppet is stuck against Smady's fat. This causes the puppet to be a hitbox on either side of you during this time, dealing 8% and knockback that KOs at 150%. Afterwards, during what would normally be ending lag, the puppet will spin back around to unwrap itself. At the end, the puppet will spin around rapidly in a blur, a constant hitbox that deals 10% and knockback that kills at 130% and reflecting projectiles. This lasts 2 seconds. This will cause the puppet to go out to the limits of the proposal of a platform. If you release the puppet via you sword, though, it will go flying forwards Battlefield's length.

Foes who are tied up in proposals cannot dodge this attack, getting grabbed when Smady attempts to wrap them around his fat in a grab hitbox. To stop this attack, foes must knock Smady out of it, which is thankfully for them fairly easy to do due to the laggy nature of it. If they are hit by it, they'll take 10% when they get wrapped around Smady before suffering the other consequences.

Down Aerial: Ground Pound
Smady's neckbeard and limbs flail upwards as he goes into a full free-fall, letting go of a puppet he might be swinging on, before falling downwards at Sonic's dash speed. His arse is a hitbox that deals 18% and spikes foes as powerfully as Dedede's Up Special. Standard HMA stall then fall.

The move is mainly notable for when you're carrying around a foe tied up in proposals, as it lets you effortlessly drag them to the ground or potentially a suicide KO if the stage has bottom blast zones. The foe will be strung up in the air above Smady, acting as a hitbox that deals 7% damage to anyone they hit during this - this can also apply to puppets, giving Smady some small defense above his head as he falls downwards.

Up Aerial: Cling
Smady reaches upwards in a grab hitbox - if he grabs a foe, he will hang on to their legs, combining his fall speed with their's, effectively making the two of you drop like a rock (also helping if you fastfall). Smady can break free at any time by pressing the A Button, while the foe must deal 10% to Smady. The one with the highest fall speed has the most influence over the pair's movement, which likely means Smady will have control unless he is fighting another heavyweight. As soon as you hit the ground, the two break free from each other. You can use this to drag foes away from puppets or back down to the ground, if needed - also serving as a suicide KO, if not one that's easy to break.

By grabbing on to a puppet, you can hold on to it for three seconds. Staying on any longer will cause it to break and fall off, cutting it's proposals. This allows you to stall a bit, if needed.

When obtaining the Smash Ball, Smady lets out a boisterous laugh as all the puppets onstage go up to the top blast zone, as Smady snaps all proposals connected to himself and steps into the background of the stage, pulling out a conductor's stick as he enters a new idle. You have 8 seconds to strategize your plan of attack - as you gain control of an arrow that has free-flight comparable to Super Sonic - only a bit slower to allow you more control, as everyone is locked into place. Pressing any input while in this state has a small square appear at the location of the arrow - you can plop down 12 squares in the following order - 4 blue, 4 pink and 4 red. None of these can overlap. If you don't place them all after 8 seconds, Smady faceplams and re-enters the foreground, you effectively wasting a final smash.

Once you place them all, Smady steps back into the foreground and begins using his stick as though he were a mad conductor, triggering a new idle. As soon as everyone is unlocked from place - 4 blue Nick puppets appear where the blue squares were placed, having the same stamina/swinging properties of your normal properties, the only difference being that you can't knock these (or any of the other puppets in Smady's final smash) down. The Nick puppets dance in a defined space - moving a platform forward with light kicks of 4%, before scooting backwards the platform backwards with their backside sticking outwards - their backsides are solid and deal dragging hits, dragging the foe to where they want them to go. You can use this to drag them into the attacks of other puppets - effective if you can push them into other farmgirls, as two backsides making contact deals 12% and good knockback to anyone trapped inside.

After 4 seconds, 4 FRoy puppets will appear, the Nick puppets remaining on-stage. These constantly kick on both sides of themselves - dealing 8% and high vertical knockback to anyone who comes in contact with them - possibly star KOing foes if they're high up enough, possibly by swinging them.

After another 4 seconds, your standard down special Bobby puppets appear. The puppets dance for 8 more seconds before being pulled back up to the upper blast zone in a hitbox - allowing Smady a fresh start with a new setup. During all of this, Smady is free to attack the puppets and cut them while the foe cannot. One of your most obvious strategies here should be to get some free healing - as your puppets rack up votes for you and are able to defend you thanks to their large numbers.


Smady's game, of course, revolves around his puppets. He's rather slow and rather laggy without them, so he needs to play dirty a bit in order to get his way. The puppets, of course, are the main part of your gameplan - they're quick to set up, easy to take down, and can be made into a more offensive purpose if needed. Right off the bat, you're going to want to have a puppet or two set up - not only to rack up some damage a bit, but to cover yourself as well. Smady'll most likely be playing defense at this stage in his game, able to bait an approach from foes. If you're not ready for an approach from foes for whatever reason, just get the crowd to throw tomatoes at you and run - the foe should be getting splattered with them while you make a quick getaway, just like an actor getting booed off the stage. Using ftilt during this time works wonders - just use that as you're dashing to make a sudden unexpected blockade at your back.

At some point during all of this, you should try to attach a proposal to the foe - your grab-game is useful for the sheer ways in which you can use it to stall the foe from meddling with your wonderful puppet show. Even not throwing them is the most obvious example of this, forcing them to stay put, making a lot of votes......FOR YOU! This also has the beneficial effect of releasing them at the end of it - leaving them with proposals attached. UThrow is an alternative way of stalling them out, especially if you prefer the idea of throwing them away to keeping them attached to a proposal, as you can aim it in most any direction. DThrow kickstarts your prone abuse game, while you can force foes to build puppet momentum with SThrow.

Let's talk about your tether. Your tether leads into an intricate prone abuse game, and forces the foe to stay subjected to your melees. Among your most obvious things here is your down tilt - by forcing yourself to enter prone, you can trip those who have gotten out of it, starting an offense against them. Your main goal while tethered, is to essentially drag them across the stage with you, then cut the proposals. Your USmash and FSmash are amongst the best tools for moving them with you, and you can seamlessly transition back to your vote/puppet game once again with these moves. Your standards and aerials, of course, help in pushing them about. Once you have them far enough away? Feel free to cut the proposals and DI back to the stage, or use your downwards aerial to push them down with you if you can't possibly make it back to the stage with your pitiful recovery. Back Aerial can also bring foes attempting to retreat closer to you, before they attempt to knock you away - given they're stuck on the proposal with you, this can spell out a demise as they knock themselves towards the blast zone - before you suicide downwards.

If the foe insists on cutting your puppets down, you can grab a puppet to begin a much more offensive game, as a good majority of your moves are made to be better when you have a puppet in hand. While you have to stand in idle with the puppet to build up to your down special, you'll have no problem getting that in thanks to how much defense and offense the puppet provides you. Use your ftilt to protect your backside, use jab to protect against assaults from the front - among your best tactics to use here is to start spinning your puppet around your body, as you can make your self impervious to projectiles before running forward. Hands-down, your best tactic for approaching is your british Rampage, as it allows you to sponge up attacks as you move forward as a giant hitbox - while spinning punch works better as a standalone attack thanks to the incredible range it provides - especially if you have a puppet and a foe at once, turning it into one of your best killers.

However you decide to play Smady, there's always a crescendo you need to build up to - appealing to the crowd. As you play, you should always attempt to keep your puppets alive through any means necessary to make sure you get as many votes as possible. When you finally have enough votes - all you need to do is press it. Foes will be frantic during this time, and you'll be locked in place, meaning you'll have to defend yourself to the best of your ability through clever use of melees and puppets, perhaps having a swinging or a spinning one nearby to keep yourself on the defense and keep the foes from approaching you. If the foe manages to knock you away, you are going to want to build space asap to keep you from losing the votes. You can kill the foe beforehand before healing up with the votes - allowing you to gain votes in peace. As the votes can build up between stocks, suicide even becomes a legitimate strategy, allowing you to collect votes upon your return - showing how greedy Smady is for them. Whatever it is, you gain a reward well worth the wait - your best killing move through the sack, though it will eventually drain over time and it can hurt you if you whiff it, it's the best possible reward, and the biggest addition to Smady's line of excellent killers.

That doesn't mean Smady doesn't have his weaknesses, though. Despite all his strengths, he still has a fatal weakness against aerial foes. His anti-airs are all extremely weak or have some sort of flaw to them, keeping them from being especially useful. It's practically required that the foe go into the air to cut down your puppets, meaning they'll very likely find the time to attack him from up there. Even ignoring all the aerial stuff, he has all the standard heavyweight weaknesses: he's slow, he has a lot of end lag - and let's face it: you get off the side of the stage? You ain't getting back on. But as a master showsman, Smady is equipped to deal with all obstacles. His main helper in Nintendo - the one that allows him to stay on the levels of magical fairy godmothers and snakelike sorcerers, is his sheer unpredictability. Smady can smoothly transition from phase to phase at the drop of the puppet. Smady is the fighter who keeps his foes on his toes, allowing him to keep control of the foe: like a puppet in a cage.

Extras​

ENTRANCE - SHOWBOATING
Smady enters the screen bowing and blowing kisses to the ground, a puppet tucked under his arm.

UP TAUNT - CONS-TAN-TIN-OPLE!
Smady announces the above syllables, turning his back to the camera and shaking his arse at it in a taunting fashion.

SIDE TAUNT - FACEPALM
Smady facepalms while muttering british gibberish, just like he does in one of his key scenes.

DOWN TAUNT - VOTEHUNGRY
Smady rummages through his sack, a gold number popping up above his head showing how many votes you have.

If you have less than ten votes, Smady pulls out a worthless metal ring from the sack and bites into it, loudly yelling "What's this!?", tossing it aside.

If you have 10-25, Smady pulls out a single gold vote, kissing it lovingly, before he places it back in the sack.

If you have 25-30, Smady happily grabs a handful of votes and throws it up in the air, catching them all in his sack before they fall back down to the ground. If you're interrupted here, the votes will be placed on the ground - his run animation changes when he runs over votes, kneeling down as he runs to pick them up and place them in his sack. This allows him to place them back in his sack easily - while you can seriously be hurt by this, if you can pull it off, it should be rage-inducing for the foe.

VICTORY POSE 1 - THE ONION
Smady takes a large bite of an onion he's holding - taking out half of it neatly, before tossing it aside, back at the losers.

VICTORY POSE 2 - SINISTER Smady
Smady has his sword - which has multiple food items impaled through it, and makes a throat-cutting motion with it to his foes, before he begins eating the food straight off of it.

VICTORY POSE 3 - CAGED
Smady grabs the last place loser by their neck and throws them into a cage, locking it and yelling in a booming voice - "THERE!"

And that, my friends, is why a bunch of thinly veiled insults does not make for a good jokeset.

Not a jokeset. A reskin. We must get our facts straight, Mr. Arrow.

0/0 points for the pictured corgi not appearing in the actual moveset.

lol jokesets don't real

LIZARD

Well, yeah... this isn't Curt Connors at all. (Sad)

Oh wait, it's a magic OC that actually has kind of a cool premise behind him being an expert magic scholar, and using his knowledge of spells to manipulate magic itself. Even better is that he's an OC in a thread in a similar vein towards The Deadliest Brawler .

Anywho, to sum up my feelings after so many others have talked about it: I feel as if the set suffers from doing too much. He can move-copying/manipulation, a stealth game combined with rubble creation and transformation, Golem minions he can alter, and the whole flying thing.

Picking like, even just 2 would be good enough fodder to work with without making every damn input a special move. For example, when I heard he mimicked moves and had a golem, I thought he could map inputs to said golem to make a truly custom minion somehow. Or, replaced his Nspec with another o he could do it wherever (Imagine being able to do like, DDD's Ftilt wherever). On top of all this, he then has a few broken traits like his weight being stupidly low (DK Down B could probably one shot him and doesn't give a crap about him hiding) meaning one mistake ever leads to an easy death, making it frustrating to play as him. And then, his weird aerials and side B that can be used while flying, making huge tornados and powerful wind boxes when you have no fear of not getting back to the stage yourself? There's his gameplay right there: get them off the edge and they're done.

All said and done though, I found the set enjoyable for the individual ideas, such as the differing Golems and the Dspec acting as a memory counter, but when it's all together it's just too much crammed into a set and becomes a bit of a mess with each move becoming a special to compete for space.

:/


GARBLE

Not much to add here from what others have said. The characterization is spot-on for a bully character, the Assists are interesting, simple and versatile enough to get a ton of mileage out of them when combined with his moveset, and his rather unique style of continuously pressuring foes into a corner to either brutally take them down off the edge for a suicide or just continue on until they cant recover off-stage (and even then he has Dair) is very fun to think about.

My only complaint is what I talked to you in-chat about (the unintuitive Nair cancel), so it's kind of a meh point. Great job on the extras by the way, it really helped flesh him out aesthetically for me (y).

(also, that grab clash mechanic should be universal lol)


BUBBLEMAN.EXE

While having a great playstyle, this Navi has a couple issues preventing me from -loving- the set. For one, jabs/aerials that can be directed or serve special purpose like the Bair (and although I generally don't enjoy grabby Uairs, his is kind of vital to recover with as he can treat a bubble like snake's cypher) are awkward to imagine, more so the aerials due to you wanting to leave the Control Stick open to move your character while performing an aerial rather than angling an attack you can just DI with. Secondly, the Dspec seems kinda useless when the bubbles can be plowed through by just about anything given the investment it takes on Bubbleman's part just to set it up, which also leads to a bit of a conceptual problem: Bubbleman will have to rely on the Bubble-wall to do much of anything. Even then, most characters should be able to hop over and interrupt him blowing up any amount or decent sized bubbles before he gets the chance to properly utilize them.

Don't get me wrong, I do like the set, it's just the #'s and some input awkwardness kinda works against his whole plan of attack when faced with any sort of aggression, leaving the cool parts kinda put aside in favor of Missile Spam.

Thank you for the kind words sir. I decided to change the NAir dodge input in the end.

Now then, as much as I like updating Garble, I think it's time for...

Grimlock is a Transformer, specifically an Autobot, and even more specifically a Dinobot. This means that rather than have a vehicle-themed alternate form, he turns into a robot dinosaur (in his case, a TRex). He's not the brightest guy around, but he's got tons of fighting ability. His primary weapons are an energy based sword and shield.

Grimlock’s most recent appearance is in the awesome game Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, in which he is playable in the main campaign as well as in multiplayer, as a member of the Titan class. He’s using his design from that game in Brawl…and he’s appearing as a 1v3 boss.


Movement Speed: Slow walk, average dash
Traction: Great
First jump: Low
Second jump: Grimlock uses jets in his feet to give himself an above-average midair jump.
Air control: Taking a page from the recent Transformers games, Grimlock surprisingly has high air control
Air speed: Unfortunately, he’s slow in the air
Fall Speed: And he falls quickly too
Size: 3x Ganondorf. His sword, similarly, is about 2.5x the size of Ike's.
Weight: 1.5x Bowser

No tricks here. These stats are all relative to standard playable characters. In fact, Grimlock can be harmed normally too. He can be grabbed, dealt set knockback, given status effects, and stunned like any 1v1 moveset.

RAGE METER​

Surrounding Grimlock’s HUD is a white circle that becomes red as it’s filled. Grimlock normally fills this meter by landing hits, filling 4% of the meter per hit. When it’s completely filled, Grimlock goes into standby for his final smash, which you’ve probably already figured out. While Grimlock isn’t as straight-up powerful as other 1v3 characters, his ability to use his final smash in normal gameplay surely makes up for that. On that note, if Grimlock happens to break a smash ball, he is automatically given 100% rage.

Grimlock can also fill the rage meter as a defensive technique. When he is combo’d for 3 individual attacks, every subsequent attack in that combo will give him 15% rage, and one of the perks of his final smash is that he can use it during hit-stun! It’s important that I said “attacks” and not “hits”; Fox using his DAir isn’t going to activate the effect. Grabs actually have their own 3-use counter so the enemy team can combo 3 throws together, but pummels and throws count towards the standard hit counter (lol Lucario). On the other hand, when Grimlock is KO’d he loses up to 30% of his rage meter.

SPECIALS​

Neutral Special: Dinobot Fury
Grimlock spreads his arms and lets out a war cry over .7 seconds, acquiring 15% rage at the end of the animation. This is really only going to be useful on the occasion you manage to get 1 or 2 of your opponents offstage and the third is stunned in some way. Having said that, it’s actually a good thing that this move isn’t more vital to Grimlock’s game-plan, since this is the move you’re losing when your final smash is ready. This allows you to hold on to the final smash for a moment if you’re currently in an advantageous situation, or you simply want to try KOing your opponents to unleash the attack on their next stock.

Side Special: Energon Shield

Grimlock summons a phalanx-style shield of orange energy in his left hand after .4 seconds. Grimlock is free to move about and attack normally after summoning his shield. It covers most of Grimlock’s front except for his feet and his head, and has 60 HP, turning red as it takes damage. While the shield absorbs all forms of attack (including grabs!), Grimlock holds it to his side during his dash and most attack animations.

If Grimlock performs this input with his shield out, he’ll perform a shield bash! This has a hitbox on frame 1 and above average end lag, and deals 12% with set horizontal knockback as far as ½ of Battlefield. The attack also retains the regular defensive properties of the shield, allowing it to out-prioritize literally everything, even transcendent hitboxes and aerial attacks. Grimlock can still perform a shield bash during his dash, though the animation will be modified accordingly.

Up Special: Hover
Grimlock uses his jets to essentially perform his midair jump before *gasp* HOVERING for 3 seconds. While hovering he can move left or right at a moderate speed and perform aerial standard attacks during it. You can’t cancel out of the hover but considering Grimlock has a disgustingly good stall-then-fall DAir you can just use that for emergencies.

Down Special: Whirlwind
The “signature move” of the Titan class! Grimlock’s shield disappears if he has it active, as he turns slightly towards the screen and grabs his sword with both hands. After .5 seconds, his torso starts to rapidly spin for 4 seconds, dealing 13% and KOing at 100% to those struck by him. While the move can hit the same target more than once, opponents are given a .3 second grace period before they can be damaged by it again.

It would be a good time to mention now that Grimlock is free to move about during the entire move, and he in fact moves slightly faster than his normal walking speed! Grimlock also has super-armor during the last .2 seconds of the startup period as well as during the first second of the actual attack, so you can’t just casually strike him out of this. While attacking, it’s also possible to angle the attack like those in-game tilts and stuff, making it even more difficult to evade the whirling death approaching you! The move has moderate end lag, but really, if Grimlock hasn’t either hit everyone away or retreated as it’s about to end to keep himself safe, he’s a bad Autobot. If that's STILL not enough for you, Grimlock after the super-armor wears off, Grimlock can cancel the move into any attack other than his specials or grab. If that's still not enough for you, why the heck are you using this move to begin with?

STANDARDS​

Jab: Omnislash
Grimlock horizontally slices with his sword at a 40 degree downwards angle. This deals 11% and KOs at 170%. While the attack does hit a good ways out from Grimlock’s body, it also can only hit that far out; only the sword itself has a hitbox, making it useless for close-range attacks. Still, the attack has below average startup lag and moderate lag, making it difficult for a ranged character to do much on the ground.

This is actually a 2-part jab, with the second part simply having Grimlock swing his sword the opposite direction for the same damage and knockback. What’s interesting about this is that you can hold backwards while inputting the second part and Grimlock’s torso will turn around as he attacks backwards! Unfortunately, the first hit cannot combo into the second, even if you perform it forwards, but do you really want a JAB to deal 18% at once?

Forward Tilt: Titan Kick
Grimlock performs a straight kick similar in appearance to Ganondorf’s FTilt. This deals 14% and purely horizontal knockback that not only KOs at 90%, but already has a base knockback of 1/3 of Battlefield. It has below average startup lag and above average end lag. Considering the sheer range of the kick, you can basically use this as a poking tool in spite of the end lag, and Grimlock’s height allows this attack to function as an anti-air!

Up Tilt: Orbital Slice
Grimlock swings his sword in a semi-circle above his head. This deals 14% and star KOs at 105% if you connect with his sword; it deals 10% and star KOs at 120% if you connect with his arm. Moderate lag on both ends, but with the amount of space you’re covering with this, do you REALLY think that will matter? The most notable downside of the move is that because it deals vertical knockback, it won’t actually increase the distance your opponent has to travel across the stage to reach you.

Down Tilt: Slash Sweep
Grimlock’s crouch is similar in appearance to Ganon’s, not that it matters since there’s no way he’d ever be capable of crouching under things. On the other hand, while crouching Grimlock is completely covered by his shield.

His DTilt is a sweep with his sword, dealing 12% and tripping anyone it hits. Grimlock holds the sword close to his body, giving it less range than you’d expect, though it’s still impressive. Moderate lag on both ends, but against shields it always pushes back the defender to the end of the sword and leaves them in a frame-neutral state. Use this attack liberally against ground-based characters, forcing them to jump if they ever want to get any closer. Then use your FTilt to launch them even further away!

Dash Attack: Clearing the Path
By default, Grimlock performs a shoulder barge across 1/5 of Battlefield, dealing 13% and KOing at 115%. Only Grimlock’s upper body has a hitbox, but his legs are invincible until the (moderate) end lag kicks in. On that note, the attack has below average startup lag.

If Grimlock has his shield active, he performs a different attack. This time he’ll quickly bring his shield to his front while skidding to a stop, completely stopping after traveling the same distance as the normal version of the move. His shield is the hitbox, dealing 12% and set horizontal knockback for ¼ of Battlefield. This has below average startup lag and no end lag, allowing Grimlock to use this move to transition from his dash to his walk. Grimlock’s legs are completely vulnerable for this variation of the move, a tradeoff for acquiring his powerful frontal defense.

SMASHES​

Forward Smash: Furious Slam
Grimlock swings his sword upwards before slamming it back down into the ground. This attack has moderate startup lag with a single hit of super armor, and it deals 14% while KOing horizontally at 90% during the first phase of the attack. As he swings it back down, the sword deals 14% and KOs horizontally at 80%. Grimlock’s entire arm is a part of the hitbox of this awesome attack, and after both swings are finished it only has moderate end lag.

Up Smash: Crush
With moderate startup lag, Grimlock swipes at the air with his left hand at a 30 degree upwards angle. If he catches someone, he transitions to his grab game, and this move does in fact have a grab hitbox. It also has moderate end lag and will deactivate Grimlock’s shield if he has it active.

The attack can’t be charged, but you do get a special effect for holding the Attack Button as Grimlocks grabs. If you do so and his hand makes contact with a drop-through platform, Grimlock take holds of the platform before quickly pulling his arm downwards, causing the platform to break apart into lots of intangible pieces. The platform will reappear after 15 seconds. Note that if you attempt this variation of the move, he will prioritize platforms over other characters, though he does have super armor and anti-grab armor as he breaks the platform. By using this attack, you can eliminate ways for your enemies to get around your shield and swarm you, and it also allows him to use his ridiculous throws against airborne opponents.

Down Smash: Boost Dash
Use the boost to get through! Grimlock gets into a sprint-ready position before boosting forwards (or backwards if you hold the opposite way!) using his jets. He quickly covers ¼ of Battlefield with no charge, and with a full charge he travels far enough to cover most of Final Destination! The dash itself has no hitbox except for right as it begins, creating a tremor slightly wider than Grimlock himself that deals 11% and trips anyone caught within it on the ground. The main thing the move grants is a quick (though crude and imprecise) movement option. The attack won’t stop at the edge of platforms, so be careful about charging it up too much.

Grimlock can perform his FTilt, Side Special, and Down Special during the dash, retaining its momentum as he does so. FTilt will come out if you press the attack button at all (even working in midair!), whereas Side Special will occur with any non-down special move input. Grimlock has 1 hit of super armor during the move’s moderate startup time, and while it has no end lag, you’d be crazy to spam it when you have limited options during it. Yes, Grimlock does hold his shield at his side during the move so you can’t just push enemies off the stage with it, and if you perform a shield bash during the dash it has a modified animation to reflect this (though with the same properties).

AERIALS​

Neutral Aerial: Sex Sword
I think that may qualify as the most innuendo-filled move name of all time. Grimlock stabs his sword at a 30 degree downwards angle and holds it in place for a moment, acting as a sex-kick attack. It deals 13% and KOs at 95% on the initial hit, then deals 10% and KOs at 150% for the lingering hit. Below average startup lag, moderate end lag.

Forward Aerial: Smashing Slice
Grimlock cleaves his sword downwards, covering a semi-circle in front of himself. It deals 13% with slightly-downwards knockback that KOs horizontally at 100%. However, if he hit a foe at the exact moment his sword his pointed straight ahead, it deals a spike! With this and his NAir, it’s not advised to be right in front of Grimlock when he’s in the air. Moderate lag on both ends, but it can be auto-canceled if Grimlock lands when the swing reaches the bottom half of its arc.

Back Aerial: Thruster Kick
Grimlocks kicks backwards with one foot and ignites the thrusters on it. His leg deals 11% and KOs at 120%, while the fire of the thrusters deals 15% and KOs at 85%. This has below average startup lag and above average end lag, but Grimlock keeps his shield held to his front during the move. There's not much to say about this attack, it lets Grimlock deal with anyone who manages to get behind him while maintaining his frontal defenses, quite the useful attack in a bind.

Up Aerial: Emergency Boost
Grimlock ignites not only his feet thrusters, but a pair of thrusters on his back as well, completely halting his aerial momentum for .4 seconds. This has below average startup lag and above average end lag, though the end lag can be canceled into any other aerial attack. Making contact with any of Grimlock’s jets during the attack deals 12% and spiking knockback, and Grimlock can slowly move left and right during it to mess you up; it deals a lot of shield stun and shield damage if he manages to catch you in it. Yes, this UAir is hitting below Grimlock. Considering his size, enemies aren’t going to be above him too often (if ever) when he’s in the air, so this gives him a way to attack downwards without having to spam his stall-then-fall DAir. The momentum-cancelling nature of the move also provides Grimlock with some extra survivability.

Down Aerial: Slam
Here’s that awesome move I mentioned back in his Up Special. Grimlock curls up and punches downwards with his left hand with enough force that it causes him to plummet to the earth at the same speed as Bowser Bomb. Like with Whirlwind, his shield is deactivated upon starting the move. Anyone who collides with Grimlock as he falls takes 16% and spiking knockback, but luckily for them they’re actually given immunity to the next hitbox that shows up. Upon hitting the ground, a mighty explosion of raw energy occurs around Grimlock, dealing 22% and star KOing at 60%! For the record, the explosion is .4x the size of a smart bomb’s.

If there is a silver lining for Grimlock’s opponents, it’s that he has above average startup lag as he quite literally stalls before falling, and the attack also has above average end lag as Grimlock recovers from the power of his own strike. Then again, it deals so much shield-stun that Grimlock still recovers in time to defend against most counter attacks…

THROWS​

Grab

By default, Grimlock’s grab is a simple one-handed swipe with his left hand, holding the enemy in the air like in the image. It has moderate speed and good range thanks to his size. However, if Grimlock has his shield in-play, his grab changes to a short-ranged stomp. This has the same speed as his normal throw but it even works on prone characters. Landing his normal grab leads to his standard throw-game, but landing the stomp grab has Grimlock pin the enemy under his foot, dealing 12% while being 5x harder to escape than a normal grab. Grimlock is free to perform his jab, tilts, and side-special (will occur with any direction + special move button) during this time, though he is forced to remain stationary.

Pummel: Grimlock headbutts his enemy, dealing 6% at a moderate speed.

Forward Throw: Rag Toss
Now would be a good time to say that Grimlock has super-armor and anti-grab armor while performing a throw. Grimlock’s FThrow is a rather basic hurling of his enemy forwards, dealing 14% and KOing at 90%. What’s notable about the throw is that it has a base knockback of ¼ of Battlefield, making it a great way to get an annoying enemy out of your face.

Back Throw: Titanic Slam
Grimlock jumps into the air with his foe before turning around and slamming them into the ground, dealing 16% and mostly vertical knockback that KOs at 80%. Besides the throw itself being quite good, he pitfalls anyone else he lands on. Still think Dedede’s BThrow is broken?

Up Throw: Execute
Grimlock lifts his enemy above his head and impales them with his sword, dealing 20%, before tossing them to the ground for an untechable knockdown. What makes this throw especially scary is that if his sword happens to strike any other enemies, it deals 20% to them as well along with vertical knockback that KOs at 65%.

Down Throw: Lockdown
Grimlock throws his foe to the ground for 12% before stomping down on them, pinning them down in the same way as when he performs his with-shield grab. This allows Grimlock to utilize this ability even when he doesn’t have his shield active, and since he can perform his side-special in this stance he can use this chance to acquire it! Note that the defensive bonuses he gets during throws go away once he has pinned his opponent.


Awww yeah, the moment you’ve been waiting for. After inputting the move, Grimlock stabs his sword into the ground and deactivates his shield as his body starts to undergo some rather painful-looking changes. After about 5 seconds of transforming (he's invincible the entire time), he comes out looking like this:


Once in Dino Form, Grimlock has the same basic stats, except for having an above average dash and being thrice the size of Bowser with a longer tail to boot. More importantly, Grimlock now has permanent super-armor, anti-grab armor, and complete immunity to status effects. He also gets a new mini-moveset, naturally. The transformation lasts for 12 seconds, use it wisely!

Dino Special: Flamethrower

Bowser’s neutral special but with twice the range, no diminishing effect, and Grimlock can walk around during it.

Dino Jab: Head Smash
Grimlock recreates Yoshi’s FSmash, dealing 14% and KOing at 90%.

Dino Tilt: Tail Smash
Grimlock whips his tail overheads, making this a good anti-air attack. By good I course mean it makes enemies afraid to jump. It deals 16% and KOs at 80%. Below average startup lag, moderate end lag.

Dino Dash Attack: Rampaging Smash
Grimlock roars as his dash animation becomes more enraged in appearance, dealing 15% and tripping anyone caught near his feet. This also resets any terraforming effects he travels over. There’s no startup time to the rampage, but it lasts for a full second and it doesn’t cancel if Grimlock dashes off the side of the stage, so this actually requires some slight planning to make use of it.

Dino Smash
Grimlock performs a hip-check, moving him forwards slightly while dealing 20% and KOing at 60%. This has moderate lag on both ends, but it deals a ton of shield damage, and will still some shield damage even if power-shielded.

Dino Aerial: Stomp Smash
Grimlock stomps downwards with both feet, dealing 25% and a spike twice as powerful as Ganondorf’s. If he touches the ground during the attack, it creates a DK down-special effect across the entire platform he’s on, dealing 12% and star KOing at 100%. Moderate startup lag, below average end lag.

Dino Grab: Eat, then Smash
Grimlock reaches towards the ground and bites, catching multiple enemies if possible in his jaws. This grab is 3x as strong as a normal one. Grimlock’s pummel is chewing for 5% at a moderate rate, then his throws are...well, take Yoshi's throws, make them actually threatening looking, and they all deal 13% and KO at 80%. Grimlock is the T-Rex Smash Bros deserves!

PLAYSTYLE​

The main thing that separates Grimlock from the other 1v3 sets out there is the fact that he actually has to try in order to win . In all seriousness though, Grimlock can be a bit tricky to play at first since he’s a melee-oriented boss without automatic defenses against the shenanigans a team can do. While his anti-combo rage will deter infinites, he’ still taking around 30% whenever the team lands a solid hit, and since he’s in mid-close range he will be in danger of being hit quite often. Grimlock’s long-term goal is simply to get to 100% rage so he can annihilate the enemy team in Dino Form, but it’s getting to that point where the meat of gameplay lies.

Summoning your shield should be your first priority whenever you have a free moment. Nearly impenetrable frontal defenses will help to stop a lot of the pressure a 3-man team can deliver, and it allows you to safely approach them too. One sneaky way to make room for this is a backwards DSmash, though you’ll have to ensure you don’t fly right off the stage during the process. Alternatively, you can simply try to land a few hits to ward your enemies away, or jump backwards while calling forth your shield. Once your shield is play, things become a lot smoother for you as you essentially have super-armor for the next 60% you take from the front, and while enemies can always try to get past you, you have your USmash to shut-down overhead platform routes while using your UAir to stop enemies passing beneath you when you jump.

The key to maintaining offensive momentum is, ironically, to hold your ground and shut-down enemy attempts to close-in. All of Grimlock’s tilts, his jab, and his NAir and FAir are safe at their max range, so if your opponents are at mid-range you should always be throwing some type of hitbox in their way. When they’re about to enter close range, stick to DTilt, shield bashes, and grabs/throws to reset the situation. Assuming you’re doing your job properly, you should be building up rage at a steady, if a bit slow, pace.

Against teams that are heavily keepaway-focused, Grimlock’s initial gameplan is a bit trickier, because the constant barrage of projectiles and summons will make it difficult to summon a shield. Stick to high ground whenever possible and look for openings to DSmash across the stage, summon your shield, and/or initiate a Whirlwind to plow through the enemy. “Divide and conquer” is the key here.

Once your rage is about to fill up, you’re final major decision is whether to use it immediately or to try and finish off your opponents’ current stocks then quickly take ‘em out again with the final smash. Grimlock has a naturally easy time finishing off targets thanks to low KO thresholds and stuff like Fair for respectable edge-guarding prowess. When you do transform, there’s no real strategy to scoring KOs with it; it’s a goddamn final smash after all. Heck, you might even try to save on to it in case you find yourself under heavy pressure from the enemy team, then use it to completely reverse the situation!

Capture the Flag
Even for a boss character, Grimlock is godlike in CTF matches simply because of the set-up period, allowing him to spam Dinobot Fury to have 100% rage before the fight even begins. Then it’s a simple matter of leading the offensive charge, transforming at the first sign of trouble, and laughing as he casually strolls in to the enemy base and takes the flag. The primary thing keeping him in check is the fact that CTF matches have team-attack enabled, so he runs the risk of KOing his team just as easily. Of course, this is a 3v1 character we’re talking about, if any stragglers on the enemy team try to grab his flag, he can pick them off without too much hassle. Even when his final smash runs out, there are 4-10 enemies for him to fight and quickly replenish his rage.

MATCHUPS​

Vs Meta Knight, Yoshi, Jigglypuff: Even
This is when Grimlock wishes his anti-infinite mechanic counted individual hits rather than whole moves; Mach Tornado and Yoshi DAir inflict disgusting amounts of damage without triggering rage while setting up a Rest from Jiggs. On the bright side, 2/3 of these characters must be in close-range to do anything (with Yoshi’s projectile being largely ineffective at long range), giving Grimlock more breathing room when it comes to acquiring his shield and keeping them at bay. This is further compounded by the light weight of the melee characters. It’s entirely possible that Jigglypuff might lose 2 of her stocks before Grimlock ever transforms. Still, when the enemy team does close-in successfully, Grimlock is in a lot of trouble thanks to MK’s speed and the sheer damage potential this team has. The fight largely depends on how much damage Grimlock manages to do before he’s cornered, with him standing a fair of chance of victory if he can take off a stock from each enemy before being forced to use his transformation just to bail out of a bad situation.

*At least 1 more matchup is on its way!*

EXTRAS​

Side Taunt: Grimlock clenches his left hand while growling.

Up Taunt: Grimlock claps sarcastically. This can be canceled into his USmash for ultimate platform-wrecking power!

Down Taunt: Grimlock makes a chuckling motion while saying “Me think you bad at this.”

Win vs Shotzo: Grimlock picks ups Shotzo and examines it, saying “So, what your robot form look like?”

Lose 1v1 vs Ashens: Ashens’s couch is seen in typical review-style as he holds a Grimlock action figure. Ashens yells, “So, you want to see a real flamethrower?” as he torches Grimlock.

-INCOMING CODEC PRESS SELECT-​

Snake: This robot is enormous. Is this a new type of Metal Gear?

Otacon: It’s not a Metal Gear, but it is quite powerful. This is none other than the legendary Grimlock of the Autobots!

Snake: Huh, I would never have guessed he was an Autobot with the raw anger he’s exuding.

Otacon: He may be one of the good guys, but experiments on him have altered his mind and left him in an almost primal state. That’s probably why he’s attacking you right now.

Snake: Well then it’s a good thing I have backup. Say, these Autobot things can transform into vehicles, right? What does this guy change into, a tank?

Otacon: …Let’s just say that you’ll be reminded of Shadow Moses Island when you see it…

-END TRANSMISSION-​

ver 1.01: Buffed Dino form to have a reliable anti-air option, tweaked rage meter gain, buffed the descriptions of several moves.
ver 1.02: Gave Whirldwind the ability to cancel into standard attacks, and gave DSmash a damaging hitbox, giving these moves more versatility. Also clarified the controls for Grimlock's DThrow/Alternate grab.
ver 1.03: General damage/knockback buff for many of Grimlock's regular form attacks, general speed buff to dino form's attacks

[collapse="Grimlock"]Grimlock doesn't feel nearly as passionate as Garble was (there's a noticeable lack of detail in the set among the character bio and attacks themselves), but is still a surprisingly refreshing read given his simplicity and subtle take on 3v1. For one, this is pretty much the first 3v1 1v3 set for a -protagonist- instead of an antagonist, and he's not all "in your face" about his status to the point where much like Larfleeze, he could very much be fought as a 1v1...in fact, the whole 1v3 thing feels more like a formality. Sure, he's got range and some power, but he's pretty laggy and such a huge target, and the Rage Meter won't save him from attacks that...aren't comboed together.

At the very least, Grimlock feels weak until one gets to the U-air or so where he takes a turn for the powerful, trying to revel in his boss status by pinning a foe down and striking with frighteningly powerful throws that make the rest of his moves look frail - it takes from some of the otherwise different take of a boss that I mentioned beforehand. Not to mention Grimlock has Super Amour when grabbing that isn't available on that much of a basis with the rest of his moves, giving him very little reason to use them when he has something so powerful. On that note, I do wonder whether Grimlock's rage meter builds up when foes are attacking him when he's holding a foe when they're essentially helping him get his Final Smash.

The Final Smash is where I feel you dropped the ball on this set, unfortunately. Not only does it behaves too much like the Final Smash of a typical character, but is also feels incredibly uninspired, effectively being Giga Bowser with a bit of Yoshi in his shallow attacking options. The Final Smash should have been the best part of the set what with being hyped at the start. At the very least, in terms of balance, Dino Grimlock's sheer lack of attacking options actually gives him several blind spots...to the point where I feel he's actually weaker than in his original form due to having absolutely no way of attacking above or below him where foes can simply wail on him until his time is up. This is easily fixed with a few tweaks, however.

Grimlock's a decent set, but is severely lacking in the passion that drives one to think outside the box in terms of originality as well as a lot of your usual writing style that can get people excited for simple attacks of which would make him a lot more entertaining, as that's a part of your sets that makes them great. In your defense however, Grimlock very much feels like a simple smash n bash character in a similar vain to his game appearance (or at least I expect it to be that type of game) who's using the 3v1 engine as a playground to give off the same feel one would get from that game (even though we do have SSE in Brawl) what with being so huge. I doubt few wouldn't understand the desire to implement their favorite characters into Brawl and keep them going how they would in their original game, something you praised Perches Poxtrot for in a comment last contest, and given how long you've spoken of this set a lot of stuff behind it seems justified on your behalf. [/collapse]

Ten targets, marked for death

MAGGOTS

MAGGOTS MAGGOTS MAGGOTS MAGGOTS MAGGOTS etc

The Soldier is yet another TF2 set, though it's better than the likes of Medic. It has a very inventive use of self-damage and CtF mode by using it primarily as a method of travel, taking advantage of huge stages. This also leads to a pretty good aerial game, which makes sense: Soldiers love the high ground. It also fits in to the Soldier's...unbalanced personality, let's say. This is all pretty slick when put into the context of Capture the Flag, as Soldier is a truly offensive CtF character who works without seeming broken in most aspects. The rockets are fairly well balanced and for the most part, interesting without being dumb. The style is fitting for the Soldier, a real madcap offensive dash with a lot of STUFF BLOWING UP.

On the other hand, it has a good deal of stuff I dislike. I don't like how the Liberty Launcher is handled: The fact that the mini-rockets let your allies get your buffs in them seems incredibly...not quite tacky, but not right, especially when a lot of missiles self-damage and the like. I would have preferred if the Soldier could use them for a smaller rocket jump or something. We'll have to agree to disagree on the Grab Smash as well: I feel like it's pretty broken and kinda dumb, though it does at least slot well into the Soldier's playstyle. Moves can sometimes feel a bit dull, but given the character choice's armaments I feel it is handled well enough that it never truly brings the set down. While not something I'd deduct points for, I'm kind of sad that the D-Throw doesn't have him rocket jump off the foe's face. On the flipside, that Final Smash is amazing. On par with Von Kaiser's. Medic is jealous, I'm sure.

Overall, Soldier is a very good set, and while I wouldn't say I love it, I very much enjoyed it, and I feel it is the best of the CtF by far, unless Sniper turns out really good when I get to it. First MYM13 Smash Daddy set: Successful.

Putata Potata

Putata is a pretty good set, methinks. Paint terraforming is handled carefully, deliberately and oddly uniquely I feel, with a large focus on differing angles and the like. Putata liking the air fits well with this, as he creates a little hip hop playground for himself. It also works well with his sawblade F-Tilt. Impressively, you manage to make a OHKO Super Scope-esque surprisingly balanced, because of the time and resources it takes to make it. The dog is what ties the set together, turning a light fitting playstyle into more cohesive, various creations and conctions combinable into one singular, deadly beastie. It's all looks really fun to play as, I think.

I don't like how the DSmash interaction with the dog went. The dog totem felt awkward and possibly overpowered: Something more awesome would be it causing a solid wall to be mounted/attached to the dog's back, making it harder to jump and get away, or perhaps even the ability to capsulize the dog for Putata or something. I also don't like D-Tilt: Pitfall traps in general are boring additions to sets with balance trickiness and I felt it was both boring and somewhat unbalanced here. I kinda wish Putata could stamp the foe while he grabbed them...

As a side note, I love the way he looks.

But yeah, good set. Whoo.

NO LIKE YOU

ME GRIMLOCK

That'll be funnier when you see my Rankings image.

Anyway, I was excited when I saw another HR set and elated when I saw the mechanic...but it all sorta fell down from there. The energy of the beginning rapidly evaporates to a sort of vapid boredom, moves described starting jubilantly and ending with a whimper of short comparison and nothing else to Brawl moves, a reverbating shrinking echo of waning. The core idea is very cool: Grimlock doesn't have a lot of the advantages normal 3v1 bosses have, but he instead builds up rage that lets him use a Final Smash, with Rage building better if you take advantage of the lack of, say, anti-grab armor to chain him, and the FS usable during hitstun. Cool.

The set then delves largely into a...really boring, no offense, moveset. It's not the lack of innovation or anything, it's the lack of anything else like cool descriptors or even just some added bits to spice it up, which is set alongside some moves that I don't entirely like(USmash being a grab hitbox is bad IMO). Dsmash doesn't feel at all like a DSmash, but instead a directional input. The grab game feels automatic, pinning down the foe and then either going to town or forcing the other foes to wait it out, and better than the rest of the moveset, as it KOs and damage racks all in one handily. Also, why can he not use Smashes when the foe is pinned, but the Jab, Tilts and SSpec? For that matter, why can he not use NSpec?

This leads to the low point of the set, the Final Smash. Normally that's not a low point, but here it's presented as the proverbial carrot on a stick early on, taunted for the reader via the mechanic and then yanked away to the end of the moveset, but that would be fine if it was something wonderful, but instead it is basically Giga Yoshi, without description that makes it enjoyable, each attack being short and mostly Brawl attacks but stronger. It's a boring end that makes the whole thing feel like you don't taste true power for the fruits of getting your rage. It's sad because I really like the concept, but it just...wasn't pulled off in a satisfactory way.

Which Old Witch?

Koric, eh? I feel like you've made something before this...Looking it up, you made Regulus in MYM12, which amused me because I liked Bomberman 64. You also made 4 MYM11 movesets. Cool.

Witch herself is actually more interesting than I expected entering the moveset. Comet and Meteor are interesting projectiles we don't see much of in MYM, providing some camping ability with what I felt was some depth, with mindgames from Comet and with Meteor providing close range camping. The standards are less interesting, but still hold promise: Up Tilt is somewhat cool and I like how the Jab can be followed up well. Up Smash, however, was something I was not expecting, as it essentially allows you tu turn your projectiles into a medley of attacks by stuffing them inside the tornado with proper timing since they are projectiles OR to strike projectiles herself, while functioning as a strong smash attack. The idea of combining this with Meteor is vicious and makes Witch surprisingly competent at close range, even without melee attacks. Down Smash is also interesting, serving as a sort of dangerous finisher or psuedo-counter.

One complaint about this set is it can be hard to read at times, as it feels like commas are missed and sentences sometimes hard to read. It's not TOO distracting, but a bit tough. Forward Throw is cute, but perhaps not the best choice for a move. Still, it did feel character-y at least. The numbers can be somewhat wonky at times as well, such as the SSpec lasting far too long at 12 seconds and the USpec going too far high. There were also a few times I felt that frame info wasn't the best choice or some moves expanded...but I found the frame data surprisingly refreshing for other moves.

Overall, I enjoyed this moveset more than I expected when I would read it. This pleases me. Good moveset, it just needs polish and maybe some writing help.

Clumsy Moveset Writer

You make it a point to call her Clumsy Assassin through the moveset as an interesting organizational test...then call her Sheena in the Jab. Now, you DO call her Sheena later, but it seems to follow a progression: Clumsy Assassin -> Resolute Assassin -> Sheena. So why is this Sheena mention out of place? Was it clumsiness or intentional?

I feel the idea of "Clumsy Assassin does stuff to the foe, takes advantage of opening" is somewhat flawed moveset-wise, because what can Sheena take advantage of with? The throws can somewhat do it, but only F-Throw really does anything worthwhile, because Clumsy Sheena has little use for attack freshness and the foe's staleness isn't that big for the moveset, the attack lag stuff is okay but kinda meh given her moveset...right, D-Throw can stack. So her entire moveset is spamming D-Throw so the foe can't dodge Corrine and the like? There's still so little to take advantage of aside from more curses...the moveset doesn't seem much fun to play, I think. It feels somewhere between a flowchart and focus, a bit too obvious and yet somehow not, and it feels like a lot of it would come down to boring gameplay of abusing Corrine and one or two seals alongside sapping dodging, since you get a WHOPPING 14 seconds to refresh it and it's stackable. She seems very much landslide-y, with matches seeming less to be close and more to landslide either for her if she can get the D-Tilt chain going or against her if not.

Overall, I vaguely appreciate the organizational attempt, but the moveset didn't do anything for me. On the plus side, Google Searching "Clumsy Assassin" for a Rankings pic was fun! And so I close the book on the Junaday sets. Rankings updated and a good deal of older ranked sets switched around, so look carefully.

May as well give some general responses to Grimlock's feedback before the REALLY negative ones show up and the thread devolves into argument central.

First off, I can definitely understand the set coming off as a boring read. I'll fully admit that some of the move descriptions could use some spicing up, but I was also going for a bit of the no-nonsense brawling that Grimlock is about in the writing itself. His character doesn't lend itself well to really distinct animations outside of the occasional I REALLY SMASH YOU move, and I didn't want the set to be nothing but sword impaling and earth-shattering stomps, so meh. Especially on the final smash, I was trying to play it for comedy that his moveset is just various ways of murdering you horribly.

Speaking of the final smash, I DO need to give him more anti-air stuff, thanks for the tip Kat. Other than that though, I'm not quite sure what everyone (or at least you 2 for now) were expecting from "transform into a robot TRex". It's not like he was going to have some insane new game mechanic considering it needs to be capable of dealing a lot of damage without worrying too much about what the situation is when he uses. The point of it being at the end is because, you know, it's a giant robot TRext. That's already kick-*** (d). If the problem is the Yoshi comparisons, well, that again was meant as a joke, seeing as Yoshi is essentially a cuddly Trex and needs Grimlock to whip him into shape.

On the inputs, DSmash and Down-Special were originally on each other's slots, but I swapped them because I wanted DSmash unusable in the air, and Down-Special usable in the air. USmash is a "grab" because it lets him perform his grab moves on airborne opponents, and it fits with him grabbing the platforms to destroy them. Though he totally should say "I'M GONNA WRECK IT!" when he does that.

Thanks to both of you for the feeback. I'll admit that I wasn't quite as into it with this set than I normally am, but hopefully I can give him some revisions to tune him up.

The problem may come from the unfortunate fact the humor didn't really become obvious enough to not fall flat. Or at least, I didn't notice it until you pointed it out.

FrozenRoy said:

Clumsy Moveset Writer

You make it a point to call her Clumsy Assassin through the moveset as an interesting organizational test...then call her Sheena in the Jab. Now, you DO call her Sheena later, but it seems to follow a progression: Clumsy Assassin -> Resolute Assassin -> Sheena. So why is this Sheena mention out of place? Was it clumsiness or intentional?

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That's an error on my part.

I feel the idea of "Clumsy Assassin does stuff to the foe, takes advantage of opening" is somewhat flawed moveset-wise, because what can Sheena take advantage of with?

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In most circles, you punish by racking damage or KOing. Get an advantage, hit the foe with something. With Sheena, you can take advantage of an opening, by adding more future openings to take advantage of, or more statuses to further open the foe up. Eventually, even Sheena's relatively clumsy pressuring will become a dominating force.
The key, and the whole conflict, is that Sheena is not the best equipped character for either pressuring or punishing. She's a poor assassin, because that's how she feels about herself.
(This is all stuff that probably should have been written in the moveset to begin with )

Clumsy Sheena has little use for attack freshness and the foe's staleness isn't that big for the moveset

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Freshness affects damage, which in turn affects priority. And that only needs to come into play for one or two exchanges before it turns a battle around. Plus it basically makes Sheena less likely to get KO'd, and even a little more resiliant in general.

...right, D-Throw can stack. So her entire moveset is spamming D-Throw so the foe can't dodge Corrine and the like?

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A good point, the throw should be a bit more powerful, but unstackable. Thanks.

There's still so little to take advantage of aside from more curses...the moveset doesn't seem much fun to play, I think.

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Depends on who plays really. I'm personally not big on building movesets up specifically for the most avid players. And nowadays I'm no longer a fan of building a moveset purely around the reader's interest. That does kind of put me in a bit of a bind, with movesets that have neither infinite tactical depth, nor the capacity to enthrall a reader.

The attacks all have just enough synergy to them that a layman can have fun playing with things, like seeing if they can get a Pyre seal and a Guardian to both hit the foe during a combo, or using a Serpent seal to drop a combo without letting the foe really get away, etc. These kinds of things do impact on how characters feel and matches play out. So ultimately I think I want my movesets to lay firm foundations on how to explore the characters they are about, in ways that the actual player can become easily aware of.

Overall, I vaguely appreciate the organizational attempt, but the moveset didn't do anything for me.

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Fair enough.

Davidreamcatcha said:

HALLOWEEN MAKE-UP DAY

While the 31st of October has come and gone with a good number of movesets come by, the showing seems far more disappointing than those of previous contests, and for good reason: many of us were unable to contribute whether due to time restrictions or that unfortunate hurricane. Rather than allowing sets that would only work on Halloween to gather dust until next year, I propose an alternative - make the tenth of November Halloween Make-up Day. This gives a way for those of us who had no way to post sets during this time a chance to engage in frightful fun, as well as allowing those who were unable to get one out a week to make up for it. I know I shall be posting a set that day - I implore everyone interested to do so as well.

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Apparently nobody had any makeup sets besides ProfPeanut.

Ah, yes. There was more backroom shuffling, and the date got pushed back to the 15th. You can go ahead and blame everyone in the leadership (plus me) for the lack of communication on this change.

6_6 sorry

FrozenRoy said:

The problem may come from the unfortunate fact the humor didn't really become obvious enough to not fall flat. Or at least, I didn't notice it until you pointed it out.

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It was definitely too subtle for its own good, I agree. My next set shouldn't have this problem at least

Kholdstare said:

Apparently nobody had any makeup sets besides ProfPeanut.

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Grimlock was posted for it in my timezone (sad).

Junahu said:

Ah, yes. There was more backroom shuffling, and the date got pushed back to the 15th. You can go ahead and blame everyone in the leadership (plus me) for the lack of communication on this change.

6_6 sorry

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Actually, we're pushing it back a tad further to the 18th. There was more work here than I believe we all expected.

I didn't know you guys adopted my procrastination policies.

MYMini Idea
Do You Like Green Eggs and Ham?

For those of you who somehow still don't know, Dr. Seuss was an absolute genius of the written word. Author of more than 40 children's books, chances are you've read one or two of them in your lifetime. The Cat in the Hat, Horton Hears a Who, The Sneeches (and other stories,) - all these books, though told in a way children can understand and appreciate, contain highly advanced thematic elements which you may discover on a reread, incredibly strict meter, and of course that lovable dialogue which made Seuss famous.

Of course, one portion of Seuss's genius stands out in the story of Green Eggs and Ham. When challenged by a colleague to write a story in 50 words or less, Seuss (quite possibly with a visible smirk) did not falter, and took him up on the bet, producing a cohesive story with an identifiable conflict, antagonist, denouement, and resolution, all within the 50 word limit.

[collapse="The 50 Words"]The 50 are: a, am, and, anywhere, are, be, boat, box, car, could, dark, do, eat, eggs, fox, goat, good, green, ham, here, house, I, if, in, let, like, may, me, mouse, not, on, or, rain, Sam, say, see, so, thank, that, the, them, there, they, train, tree, try, will, with, would, you.[/collapse]

Now... what if we apply this to MYM? How few unique words could be used to construct a complete moveset - all 23 or so inputs, playstyle summary, any extras you could care to mention - all the while maintaining the same level of creativity we've come to associate with the contest? I ask because I have no idea. For context, this contest's Koala Kong has 1937 unique words out of a total of 16747, compared to perhaps a simpler set, Mr. Dark, who still uses 495 unique words and 2065 altogether. How far can we shrink this number?

Let's find out. For this mini, write a moveset as you normally would, but try to keep the number of unique words to a BARE minimum. 200 seems attainable, 100 is a challenge, but if you REALLY want to push it, try to match the Doctor himself - 50 unique words. Can you do it? Is anyone going to TRY to do it? Who knows. Far below is the unique word counter I used for the above measurements, but let's establish some ground rules first.

1) Don't dumb down your ideas. Balance your creativity alongside the challenge of condensed language.
2) The idea is to make unique movesets, but resubmissions under the new constraints are also welcome.
3) If you stop having fun for any reason, stop making the set. Really, this should be the rule for making any moveset.

• If you'd like, include a list of the words used, and a word total. As this obviously requires a bit more work, I can't really hold everyone to it.
• Image setters are likely to have a bit more trouble with the final word count. Consider using text instead.
• EVERYTHING counts - move names, stuff like Up Throw, etc. You may have introductions/conclusions which don't count toward the final total, reflections and the like, but everything within must be part of your final total. Be smart about images.​

http://rainbow.arch.scriptmania.com/tools/word_counter.html​

A lie was once here.

I look forwards to it. I hope everything turns out ok Khold (hug).

EDIT: Don't feel like double-posting, so I'll say now that Grimlock has received his first revision, giving his final smash a way to hit things above him in addition to a few other tweaks.

Just a quick 24-hour set to try to get myself back in the groove

DERPY HOOVES

"I just don't know what went wrong!

Derpy Hooves, by far the most popular background pony from MLP:FiM. Making an appearance in the very first episode, she has since made several appearances in the background and managed a good minute of fame in Season 2. In general, Derpy is portrayed as clumsy and unintentionally destructive, but well-meaning and cheerful, as well as very obsessed with muffins. She is widely considered to be Ponyville’s mailmare, and although she may occasionally deliver the letters to the wrong address, she never gives up. She’s also commonly portrayed as the companion to Doctor Whooves for some reason.

STATS AND MECHANICS​

WEIGHT: 4 Derpy’s pretty light.
SIZE: 5 Derpy’s pretty average in this regard.
GROUND SPEED: 3 Not particularly fast…
DASH SPEED: 7 …except for when she's late for something.
TRACTION: 1 Oh my goodness, Derpy’s traction is horrible.
JUMPING ABILITY: 9 She makes up for it with five jumps akin to Pit’s, however.
AIR SPEED: 9 Derpy may be clumsy, but she knows her way around the air.
FALL SPEED: 3 Falls fairly slowly.
CROUCH: 4 Not a great crouch, but serviceable.
WALL JUMP: No.
WALL CLING: No.
GLIDE: Yes.
FLOAT: Yes.

BASIC ANIMATIONS​

Idle Stance: Derpy stands there with a grin, occasionally flapping her wings or making her eyes derp in a different direction.
On-screen Appearance: Derpy crash-lands from the sky, then shakes herself off with a goofy grin.
Walk: Derpy trots along with a happy smile, eyes closed.
Run: Whoops, the mail’s late! Derpy gallops with a panicked look on her face, wings outspread.
Swim: Derpy doesn’t swim too well, but she doggy-paddles as best she can.
Crouch: Derpy bends downward with a look of interest on her face. I wonder what she’s looking at?
Dizzy: Derpy’s eyes start going around and around in two different directions.
Sleep: Derpy sleeps standing up, head bent downward.
Item Grab: Derpy grabs the item with her hoof… somehow. Who knows how that works.
Dash Item Grab: Derpy grabs the item without even looking at it as she rushes by.
Item Hold: When holding still with an item, Derpy keeps the hoof she holds it with off the ground, occasionally staring at the item with a fascinated look.
Item Throw: Derpy tosses the item overhand in a careless motion.
Item Swing: Derpy swings the item around enthusiastically, swinging herself around with it.
Dash Item Swing: Derpy takes a swing, almost overbalancing but managing to catch herself at the last second.
Item Shoot: Derpy stands on two legs and fires the gun as if she was a soldier. Where’d she learn to shoot like that?

SPECIALS​

Neutral Special: Muffin!
Derpy grabs a muffin from nowhere and tosses it in her mouth with a blissful expression, healing 2% damage. Not very much, sure, but there’s only .5 seconds of startlag as she pulls out the muffin, so she can spam that and heal quite a bit if undisturbed. A simple move, but an essential one given that Derpy often damages herself.

Note that there’s a 1% chance that the muffin will accidentally bounce off of Derpy’s nose and fall on the ground, where it can be eaten by anyone just like any other food item.

Side Special: Derpy Delivery!
Derpy throws a letter one SBB forward. If it doesn’t hit anyone, it’ll float to the ground and vanish. If it does hit someone, it’ll stick to them like a Sticky Bomb (probably another application of whatever allows her to hold these things in the first place), and can be passed along in the same manner. It can also be knocked off with sufficient knockback; in general, if they’re traveling more than two SBBs, there’s about a 50% chance that the letter will visibly fall off and vanish.

So what does this letter do? Well, nothing in and of itself. But, if Side Special is used again and the letter is attached to anyone that wasn’t the original recipient, Derpy will assume that she delivered the letter to the wrong person and will corkscrew two SBBs straight towards the letter, dealing 4% damage and knockback KOing at 120% to anyone in her way as she tries to get the letter. If she contacts the person with the letter during her flight, she’ll confiscate the letter, so you can’t spam this back and forth for juggling.

This is a fairly good KO method, as well as a good way to enhance Derpy’s already-good recovery. It also does an effective job of turning foes against each other as they try to get the others to hold the letter.

But what happens if the original recipient has the letter? Well, Derpy throws another letter! She can have up to three letters out at a time, but only one letter to a person; if she tries to give someone more than one letter, it’ll just vanish uselessly.

The main downside to this move comes of the fact that she goes straight towards the letter; if she would run into any scenery during her flight, she’ll crash, halting her flight and dealing 10% damage to herself. Not as much of a problem on flat stages, but definitely not to be used carelessly on more complex stages.

Up Special: Thundercloud!
Derpy begins to bounce up and down on a thundercloud (2 SBBs long) that comes out of nowhere, at a rate of about a bounce every half-second.

The cloud can’t be directed, but will float upwards at about Ganondorf’s dash speed, going in a 30-degree angle in the direction Derpy was facing until it floats off-screen. As if Derpy needed more recovery. Getting off is as easy as moving in any direction; this does allow you to eat muffins while you’re on there, but you can’t use most of Derpy’s moveset without getting off the cloud.

Fairly useful, right? But there’s a big problem with it. First off, the cloud can be hit by attacks. It won’t dissipate, though, so you needn’t worry about that. However, every time the cloud takes a hit or Derpy bounces on it, there is a 1 in 3 chance that it will fire off lightning, dealing 5% damage and flinch to anyone within half an SBB of the cloud, including Derpy.

Obviously, this should be considered more of a last resort recovery-wise, unless you just want to make the cloud and get off it immediately so it can get in the opponent’s way. Note that trying to use this while there’s another cloud out doesn’t do anything, though, so you can’t spam this.

Down Special: Mail’s here!

Derpy takes out a mail bag and swings it in front of her. If it hits, it deals 5% damage and knockback to the tune of KOing at 150%. However, there is a 1 in 3 chance of the bag tearing and scattering about five envelopes on the ground within a 2 SBB diameter, which pretty much act like banana peels. Attempting to use this again while the envelopes are scattered will have Derpy swing the empty bag uselessly. But fortunately for her, she can pick up the letters and put them in the bag laglessly if she contacts them, giving her bag 1% damage for each letter, although the bag causes flinch, not knockback, until she’s collected all five again (or until the rest have been thrown offscreen). The bag won’t rip until it’s full, though, so that’s something.

The bag is an okay method of smacking a foe away, although having letters on the ground to make people vulnerable to Derpy’s attacks is usually better.

AERIAL ATTACKS​

Neutral Aerial: Whee, barrel roll! / Boing!
Derpy spins around in midair, dealing 5 hits of 2% damage and knocking foes away about half an SBB. Mostly a “get out of my face” sort of move.

When used on a cloud, however, this moves changes: Derpy’s next bounce will cause two Ganondorf-long lightning bolts to come out underneath the cloud at 240 and 300-degree angles, dealing 2% damage and spiking foes downward. This tends to make the cloud a lot more usable, since foes will have a harder time hitting the cloud and thus have difficulty trying to set it off.

Front Aerial: Clap your hooves!
Fairly self-explanatory: Derpy claps her front hooves excitedly three times in quick succession, dealing 2% with flinch the first two times and 3% with light downward knockback the third time. A quick move with little lag.

Back Aerial: I love breaking clouds!
Derpy kicks both her hind legs backwards in a quick strike, with a sweetspot right at the end of her hooves that deals 10% and KOs at 130% when it first comes out. After that, it only deals 4% and flinch.

Up Aerial: Flap flap flap!
Derpy flaps her wings very quickly, slowing her fall by about 10% and creating an updraft that damagelessly pushes foes directly above her up at Mario’s dash speed. A good way to gimp off the top of the screen.

Down Aerial: I’m Supermare!
In a variant of the old stall-then-fall, Derpy stalls briefly, then flies downward at about the speed of Sonic’s Down Aerial with her front hooves outstretched until she hits the ground (or goes offscreen, or is hit with something). Anyone she hits takes 4% damage and knockback that KOs at 150%. A hard-hitting move, but one only to be used above ground.

STANDARD ATTACKS​

Jab: The mail must be delivered!
Derpy lashes out with a letter in her hoof, dealing 1% damage and flinch. A very simple, spammable move, good for damage-racking. Not as good as a fan, though, but then again, what is?

There is a 1% chance that Derpy will accidentally give herself a paper cut, dealing the damage and flinch to herself instead.

Dash Attack: Whoopsie-daisy!
Derpy does a somersault for one SBB, dealing 3% damage and minor knockback. More for knocking people off their feet than anything else.

However, there is a 1 in 5 chance that Derpy will accidentally fall flat on her back when somersaulting, cutting the distance by half an SBB and leaving her open with decent endlag as she picks herself up. However, if someone contacts her as she falls, they’ll take more knockback than usual, such that they’ll be KOed at 150%. A double-edged move, given that if Derpy doesn’t hit during her failed somersaults, she’ll be wide open.

Forward Tilt: Need some space here!
Derpy turns around and bucks her back legs in a strike that deals 7% damage and knockback that KOs at around 180%. This is possessed of slight startlag and endlag as she gets in and out of position.

As with many of her moves (save for her aerials; she must be better in the air), Derpy might mess this attack up. In this case, it’s a 1 in 5 chance of tripping and falling flat on her stomach, limbs outspread. Contacting her during her fall will increase the damage to 11% but keep the knockback the same. This does leave her open, however, as she picks herself up, although the lag here is less than the lag on the Dash Attack.

Up Tilt: Loop-de-loop!
As noted, Derpy does a very quick loop-de-loop, popping foes about an SBB into the air and dealing 4% damage. Not a bad juggling tool, if it weren’t for that omnipresent chance of failure. There’s a 1 in 10 chance Derpy might end up crashing into the ground when she comes down, dealing 5% damage to herself. The damage and knockback to foes remains the same, though. Fortunately, she’s not left quite as open as with her other tilts, taking less time to recover.

Down Tilt: Poke!
Another self-evident move wherein Derpy pokes at the foe’s foot with a hoof, dealing 3% damage and flinch. Notable in that even Derpy can’t mess this one up, although the move is a bit slower than her other tilts.

SMASH ATTACKS​

Side Smash: Here, have a muffin!
Derpy decides to give the foe a muffin, throwing it straight forward 1 SBB ahead. Unfortunately, she threw it a little too hard; if it hits, it’ll deal 12-16% damage with knockback KOing at 130-120%. Oops. Once it hits the foe, the muffin will fall to the ground and can be eaten for 2% healing like any other muffin.

There’s about a 1 in 20 chance that Derpy will accidentally throw the muffin so hard that it hits the foe for the usual stuff, and then bounces back and hits Derpy for the same amount. Double oops.

Up Smash: Woo-hoo!
Derpy jumps in the air with forelimbs up while saying the titular phrase. This deals 16-22% damage to anyone contacting her, with knockback KOing at 110-100%. Easily one of Derpy’s best KO moves, but there’s also a 1 in 5 chance of her falling on her back as she comes down, leaving her open for a fair amount of time as she gets up.

Down Smash: I have a “destrussive poterror”!
Derpy sits down suddenly, dealing 15-21% with upward knockback KOing at 120-110%. At half charge, she’ll also cause a shockwave half an SBB to each side, and at full charge, she’ll also somehow create a full-fledged hole in the stage the size of the shockwave, extending all the way to the bottom of the stage. Naturally, Derpy will start falling, but with her aerial capabilities, getting to the ledge should be no problem. The hole will somehow vanish after five seconds. The hole makes a decent zoning tool, or you can try to spike foes into it from your cloud using the Neutral Aerial.

GRABGAME​

Grab and Pummel: Hug!
That’s right, Derpy grabs the foe by hugging them. It’d be sweet if this wasn’t a fighting game. It’s a short-range grab, but pretty quick.

Unfortunately for the foe, she tends to hug a little too hard: her pummel involves a squeeze which deals 2% damage a pop. Kind of slow, though.

Forward Throw: Are you okay?
Derpy abruptly releases the foe, at which point they fall to the ground and take 5% damage. Derpy looks briefly concerned as they fall; she hadn’t meant to drop them like that…

Back Throw: Hey, is that a muffin?!
Derpy thinks she sees a muffin ahead of her, launching herself forward 1 SBB and throwing the opponent behind her in her enthusiasm. This deals 7% damage and bounces the foe off the floor a little, although the knockback isn’t KOing anytime soon. A good spacing move.

Derpy looks a little crestfallen when it becomes clear there is no muffin to be had.

Up Throw: Let’s go flying!
Derpy flies up with the foe in her arms… oh wait, the foe just fell out after an SBB’s worth of travel. Oops. Oh well, it’s only 8% damage, not the end of the world.

Down Throw: Ack!
Derpy loses her balance and falls over on top of the foe, dealing 4% damage. Afterwards, she’ll get up and ask worriedly, “Are you okay?”

FINAL SMASH​

DERP!​

If Derpy is within three SBBs of a foe when she activates the Final Smash, she flies up off the top of the screen; she’s got some items to deliver! Only she seems to be having trouble carrying them, and the closest foe to her is getting the worst of it. First a flowerpot drops on them, dealing 5% damage and flinch. This tends to hold them still long enough for the anvil that immediately follows, which deals 10% and knockback KOing at 150%. After a couple of seconds, a wagon full of hay bales drops on the foe if he’s still onscreen (if not, a random foe becomes the new target), dealing 15% and knocking them into prone. And for the grand finale, a grand piano falls from the sky immediately after the wagon, dealing 20% and KOing at 100%.

Can I just say… ouch!

Afterwards, Derpy descends from the sky, looking sheepish.

PLAYSTYLE​

Okay, so I’m going to clear this up first: Derpy is not Pichu. For one thing, her attacks are generally more damaging than Pichu’s. For another, there’s only a chance of Derpy hurting herself. And finally, Derpy has an easy way to heal some of that damage off.

Okay, so with that over with, let’s get to the actual playstyle.

Well, Derpy doesn’t exactly have much of a playstyle. She’s all over the place. She can damage people pretty well with her quick attacks, and she has good KO moves. But a few stumbles here, a few counterattacks there, and she’s in bad shape. Plus she’s fairly light already, which doesn’t help. One of the better ways to play Derpy, then, is to hit, run, eat muffins if you have the time, lather, rinse, repeat.

In fact, no matter how you play Derpy, those muffins are the centerpiece. If you want to camp, the muffins are crucial for keeping yourself at low percentages. If you’re being proactive and attacking, the constant mistakes Derpy makes will necessitate withdrawing to eat muffins every now and then. The main problem is finding time to eat some muffins in the middle of a brawl, but Derpy’s speed and aerial prowess tend to help with that.

Something that’s definitely worth noting is that Derpy almost never messes up in the air. Not as much stuff to crash into up there, I guess. That also leads into another potential strategy: gimping. Derpy’s not the best at it, but her Up Aerial has definite potential for upward gimping, and her Neutral Aerial when on a cloud can really mess people up, especially if you’ve got a hole to spike them into from Down Smash.

In general, Derpy’s range isn’t that good, so a skilled foe with a decent projectile can make life difficult for her. At the same time, though, her aerial prowess makes it difficult to keep hitting her after the first time: hit her into the air and she has several different ways to get back to the stage and retaliate, whether it be flying, gliding, hovering, Side Special, or Up Special. Down Aerial is a good way to approach the ground from midair, and if you’re on a cloud, you can rain lightning down on them with Neutral Aerial (assuming you don’t shock yourself).

And therein lies the bulk of Derpy’s problems: her propensity for hurting herself or leaving herself open. While it makes her hard to predict, it also makes her hard to play. But hey, she’s fun to watch because of those selfsame tendencies, so if you’re looking for a fun character to play, Derpy could well be the pony for the job. And if you’re more competitive… well, mastering a character like Derpy will be all the more proof of your skill.

EXTRAS​

Up Taunt: Mmm, muffin!
Derpy briefly balances a muffin on her nose before she expertly lets it fall into her open mouth.

Side Taunt: Blowing Bubbles
Derpy takes out a bubble wand and blows a few small bubbles.

Down Taunt: I love being a Pegasus!
Derpy flaps her wings a couple of times with a grin, then folds them again.

Symbol: Derpy’s Cutie Mark, defaulting at blue.

Upon Selection (Wiimote): Derpy says, “Anything I can do to help?”

Kirby Hat: Kirby gets Derpy’s grey fur, her blond mane, and her Neutral Special. No doubt he’s thrilled.

Victory Pose 1: Oops! My bad!
Somehow Derpy has managed to break the floor of the winner’s screen with several large cracks. She hoves above the floor, looking sheepish and saying the titular phrase.

Victory Pose 2: Muuffffiinnss…
Derpy happily chows on a muffin.

Victory Pose 3: Bubbles
Derpy blows a bunch of bubbles, which reflect the image of her happy smile.

Loss Pose: I just don’t know what went wrong…
Derpy looks downcast as she mutters the titular phrase.

Alternate Costumes: Derpy can change her fur color from its normal grey to red, green, blue, lighter grey, and black.

Snake Codec:
Snake: What’s wrong with her eyes?
Otacon: What, no comment about how weird it is to be fighting a pony?
Snake: How is that any weirder than the pink puffballs?
Otacon: Point.
Otacon: My guess is, she was born with it. Probably genetic.
Snake: I wonder if she can see sneak attacks coming with those eyes…

Trophy:
Derpy Hooves: Derpy is a Pegasus pony from the land of Equestria. Her love of muffins is only surpassed by her clumsiness, although she’s actually an okay flyer, which she uses to her advantage as mailmare of Ponyville.
DERP!: Looks like Derpy has some deliveries to make! Uh-oh… she dropped them. Look out below!

Stage:
Cloudsdale

A medium-sized stage, Cloudsdale is a difficult stage to play on because of a general lack of edges. The only edges on the place are at the base of the building to the upper right and at the tops of both buildings. Characters with poor recovery will have trouble here. People can fight inside the building to the upper right between the pillars, but can only stand on top of the building on the lower left. Pegasi can be seen trotting or flying in the background.

The upper right building has a dark secret, however. If you become dizzy, asleep, or take shieldstun while in the building, a grim-looking Rainbow Dash will whisk you into the background, at which point the character’s voice will begin screaming in agony for a second. (Thankfully, the character can’t be seen once dragged into the background.) After another second passes, a vibrant rainbow can be seen in the sky… and the character loses a life. Good news, though: Rainbow Dash won’t appear while the rainbow remains in the sky, and the rainbow lasts for thirty seconds.

Fun fact: if Rainbow Dash is fighting on this stage, the Pegasus will be Spitfire instead.

MATCHUPS:

Vs Garble: Heavy Disadvantage

All those extra hitboxes are horrible for Derpy, given how much damage she's already doing to herself. She simply doesn't have the room to maneuver into her damaging moves when she's got extra dragons to be worrying about. Not to mention Garble's aerial ability messes up Derpy's non-self-damaging moves. There's not much to say here: Derpy is outclassed in every way.

Vs Rose Lalonde: Moderate Disadvantage

The thread is really what kills Derpy here, severely limiting her mobility and making it hard to land any KO moves. Up Smash does stand a chance of getting in a good hit here, however, or you could use Up Tilt to buy some time to destroy thread. Additionally, Derpy can camp somewhat effectively with her muffins even if surrounded by thread; while Rose can certainly interrupt, that may well leave her open to an attack from Derpy.

Of course, this all assumes that Derpy lets Rose set up. Herein lies Derpy's biggest chance: if she can keep Rose off-balance, she can keep her from creating the webs of thread that would doom our intrepid pegasus. However, Derpy's chances of messing up somehow will almost certainly give Rose an opening, and Derpy can't withdraw to eat muffins without letting Rose set up thread. Of course, without healing, Derpy will get smashed offstage soon enough, allowing for string setup.

Vs Shang Tsung: Heavy Disadvantage

Derpy has two humongous problems when facing Shang. First, he's fairly heavy. Derpy's KOing abilities aren't the best. Still, she could potentially survive this if it weren't for Hot Escape and Shang's many other quick ways to get across the screen. Derpy's chances of withdrawing to eat muffins are pretty low, and the damage that will be building up as a result alleviates Shang's own difficulty in KOing. Really, unless Shang messes up hugely, Derpy stands little chance against this master sorcerer.

Vs Lizard: Moderate Advantage

Lizard has a fairly big disadvantage here in that there's really not much he can copy from Derpy that won't hurt himself. Another problem he has is that countering any given move from Derpy won't really cripple her that badly. Lizard's gonna have to rely on golems if he's going to win this matchup. The major problem with this is that Derpy's pretty fast, so Lizard's going to have a hard time buying enough time to actually make a golem. If he does, though, Derpy's kind of in trouble. If she goes after Lizard, the golem gets her; if she attacks the golem, Lizard has time to begin making another golem. And if Lizard manages to make a golem explosive... well, that's not good for Derpy. But given Lizard's low weight and Derpy's speed, it's a pretty uphill battle for Lizard.

Vs Armantle: 50/50

Assuming Armantle's on his own, this is a fairly even matchup. Derpy has quite a bit of difficulty KOing Armantle, who's pretty darn solid, and Armantle's Overheat can really hurt Derpy in conjunction with her own derps. That being said, Derpy can fly over lava without a problem, and given how slow Armantle is, Derpy will have no problem at all withdrawing to eat muffins, especially if Armantle does something silly like shield himself. So if Derpy's patient enough, she can whittle Armantle down little by little until she's finally got the percentage to KO. On the other hoof, if she messes up or if Armantle lands an Up Smash, Armantle's powerful attacks will make short work of Derpy.

Vs BeastMan.Exe: Slight Disadvantage

Derpy has a fairly easy time keeping Beastman off-guard to start with, given his fall weight and her general speed. Once she messes up, though, Beastman actually has an opportunity to fight back. Detaching an arm or two is definitely good for Beastman here, given that that means Derpy has more stuff to maneuver around. Odds are, Beastman's not getting any vertical KOs with Up Smash given Derpy's aerial prowess, but he can definitely make her want to stay on the ground where she's more likely to stumble. Beastman doesn't have any spectacular advantages here, but I'd still give the nod to him. Still, Derpy might surprise me.

Vs Yukiki: Heavy Advantage

Derpy has the great advantage of being able to soar over pretty much anything Yukiki has. Snow? Whatever. Snowballs? Pfft, easily dodged. And in fact, that is basically Yukiki's game, so Derpy has very little problem avoiding it unless Yukiki can successfully predict when and where she's gonna touch down. In addition, Yukiki is really easy to KO, so Derpy doesn't even need to do that much to score a win. That said, Yukiki hits surprisingly hard for a space froggie, so Derpy still needs to be careful.

Vs Bigfoot: Slight Advantage

One thing's for sure: this will be a long battle.

Bigfoot relies on hitting and running, using his trees for quick retreats. However, the fact that it takes time to set up trees leaves Derpy plenty of opportunity to attack him and prevent him from setting up. The Mailbag is particularly useful here: can't make trees if you're slipping and falling. Not to mention the fact that if Bigfoot lets Derpy charge a Down Smash, his trees will be gone, falling down the hole she's created.

That being said, if Bigfoot does manage to set up (likely, considering that , he has healing, teleportation, and his own strength to help fend off Derpy. On the other hoof, Derpy can wreck Bigfoot's trees with relative ease, so it'd be easy to bait him into a trap of some sort. Overall, Derpy's got the advantage, but she'll still have to play carefully.

Vs Cooking Mama: Utter Domination

What is there to say? Derpy utterly obliterates Cooking Mama with her set's organization, color, and pictures. Cooking Mama has no chance against the most popular pegasus pony ponydom can present.

Well, guys, this is it, the final delay. 30th it is for the Illbleed and CastleVania movements. I'm not going to chastise the people responsible for this or other delays - it happens, lets just move on and get this thing finally posted. I myself am hardly free of the blame. We've all been very busy [this is not an off-season anymore, most are in school or work] so it's understandable. Saying that, this should be worth the wait.

ForwardArrow said:

A minor thing I do want to bring up though is that you have an attack that increases the shield damage after countering something... am I the only one who thinks that this would almost never come up?

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Late as all hell, but might as well clarify: the mechanic here is that he does shield damage without having your shield up, meaning it will already be damaged by that amount when you do bring it out.

I haven't read whatever set Joe's referring to, but I want to say that a) that is an awesome mechanic, and b)what happens if he brings the shield all the way to "broken" status before they ever actually shield?

Can't they just raise it and lower it quickly to get it to start regenerating?

shields regenerate automatically while you aren't shielding, so doing that would actually stunt regen lol

If it is brought to 0, shielding would bring up a shield with like 1 frame of HP left, IE it'd last 1/60th of a second and pretty much break instantly.

Edit: And it's Bisharp, HR.

JOE! said:

shields regenerate automatically while you aren't shielding, so doing that would actually stunt regen lol

If it is brought to 0, shielding would bring up a shield with like 1 frame of HP left, IE it'd last 1/60th of a second and pretty much break instantly.

Edit: And it's Bisharp, HR.

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I figured it didn't recharge from the attack since it seems kind of useless otherwise unless it's spammable?

It's part of his Fsmash which is like a medium between MK's Ftilt and Link's Fsmash, so it *could* be spammed, but the effect only kicks in if he counters with it.

Lord Voldemort
Oh boy, commenting again. . . it's been a while, hasn't it?

Reading through the set, I was at first impressed with how the specials seemed relatively subdued (though I do have to bring up Voldemort's inability to function in modes other than Stock; I understand why the Horcruxes work the way they do, but I feel some concession ought to be made, or some alternate function provided to allow Voldemort to exist in other modes), but this is almost immediately undone by the spectacle of the Smashes. These attacks definitely have some incredible visual appeal, but I remain somewhat skeptical of them. They certainly don't fulfill the normal role of Smashes in a moveset and I generally dislike non-Special attacks that you can't use twice. I'm also forced to question the idea that Voldemort would, in a combat situation, decide that his best move was creating a lake, as interesting as the interactions with his robe, Nagini and the Inferi may be.

In general, the set seems to have a problem with the way it treats inputs; though they're certainly the foundation of the playstyle, the Specials seem at times to be among the least special moves in the whole set. I do forgive that to a degree though, as the character you're working with lends himself well to a flashy moveset without a lot of physical attacks. I do enjoy the way Voldemort ultimately plays out; the baiting and manipulation that comes from the horcruxes, as well as the general zaniness from his long-range game makes him quite fascinating to imagine in action, and for the most part I believe the set stays true to the character; it seems to capture well the feeling of those few duels Voldemort took part in. The extent to which Voldemort manipulates the horcruxes here is a bit of a departure, and the biggest issue I have with the characterization. But they're still used interestingly, and I feel the set does benefit from their inclusion, so I'm not going to get too hung up on that. As one final complaint, I feel like Voldemort would benefit immensely from a non-boss mode (witty links to MYM6 edition need not apply).

Overall, I'd say my feelings are a bit mixed on this one but leaning positive. I think it might be better off with a few changes, but it's definitely an enjoyable read.

I'll get to Sniper, Headless Horseman, Nyx Assassin, Derpy Hooves and Trainer JOE! soon enough, but you can have these for now.


[collapse="The Soldier"]Finally having gotten through this set, Soldier is as straightforward as they come, having a large emphasis on selling the purpose of his straight-forward moves in an imaginary game mode. I'll admit I'm not a huge fan of Team Fortress 2 nor Capture the Flag movesets what with the latter sets feeling a bit more lockdown-ish than usual and having more privileges for the game mode than normal characters do, which Soldier capitalizes on a little (there are times where the extremes the set resorts to are a little hard to believe), but for me there's quite a lot to like about this set as others before have brought up. The presentation is marvelous enough to make me wonder why the other CTF sets didn't use Impact font (though I guess it fits Soldier more given he's kinda like a poster-boy for the series), and I don't need to tell you how awesome it'd feel to blow yourself back with a grenade in hand. My only nitpicks on the set would have to be at the somewhat large usage of props in the standards, especially the grabgame, as Solider is a character I feel would be perfectly willing to grab enemies physically and fight with his bare hands. There's also a bit of awkward logic-inconsistency with the pummel-KO and the Final Smash (as strange as it is to comment on that, though it's good for its in-game implications and various likable throwbacks). It's probably not something you care about too much, though.

On a final note, I will say that the playstyle section is amazingly well-written, and is incredibly successful at selling off the set, if for describing what Soldier is all about. [/collapse]


[collapse="Lord Voldermort"]Voldermort is not only a blast from the past what with being a MYM6 villain getting a new set, but also feels like it's taking a similar style from that timeline what with being so trapccentric. He has almost no reason to ever want to approach foes when all but one move provides a trap or projectile of some sort, so I can definitely see Voldermort being a character who absolutely cannot function up-close and is easily pressured by one character. It's balanced out by the trap spam and massive hitboxes, but in a somewhat unsettling way when they can be so powerful being a 3v1. How far you go with the special effects of the moves, especially with the aerials, is one of the things that gives this set a retro-flavor.

The set itself is constructed intriguingly. You take a concept, but instead of playing on it to high-hell like readers would expect, you then take another seemingly unrelated mechanic in what is a large showcase of Voldermort's endless slew of frightening powers, to which the fun never stops. There doesn't -seem- to be a whole lot of obvious flow or interactions as a result, though it makes the set easy to get through and keeps one guessing, very unique. At worst, I'd say that there doesn't seem to be a huge motif in the set unlike a lot of your others nor a crafty, inventive selling point that takes use of the smash engine that did it for me with Wonka, mostly hiding horcruxes inside traps of death which are strong because 3v1, though it'd be unfair to expect things that account to my tastes from all your sets.

Onto the presentation, that part of the set is handled incredibly well with how all the moves are introduced, their gimmicky properties befitting of the mysterious nature of the Harry Potter universe - even the idea of moves like the F-air and U-air changing properties has a nice motif to it. Add laying traps over a horcrux, as simple of a method as that may be, and it comes off as making a -lot- of sense for the previous universal context that was established. Voldermort never comes off as being a genius in the set, but rather destroying those in his way with traps and frightening power. Lastly, the lake had to be one of my favorite parts of the set, not only for adding a piece of scenery pretty much taken from the Harry Potter universe (it feels like something from a film setting), but also giving your minions a playground where they can be at home to wreak havoc. All the smashes feel like they add a new layer of darkness of which foes have to navigate to destroy horcruxes.

This was a set where, at first not everything made itself obvious, and I wasn't too sure about it, but upon thinking into it more was actually quite enjoyable and a solid like for me. The craft behind it it is deceptively clever.[/collapse]

What is a "Voldermort"?