MuBa
Smash Lord
Foot stool is fine. It adds a little bit of what exists as edgeguarding.
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COMPETITIVE Brawl+: Code Agenda
- Thread starter kupo15
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Dan_X
Smash Lord
I agree, foot stool is fine. 
ChronoPenguin
Smash Champion
Whats to hate about Footstooling I really do not understand, are you accidentally Footstooling someone on the ground?
lrn2space.
Or is it someone is footstooling you.
If Yoshi can get past footstooling...someone who can pretty much instantly die if he gets Footstooled, everyone should...except Link.
lrn2space.
Or is it someone is footstooling you.
If Yoshi can get past footstooling...someone who can pretty much instantly die if he gets Footstooled, everyone should...except Link.
Starscream
Smash Ace
We are losing a decent edge-guarding game by keeping it and gaining one by removing it. As Wind Owl said, you should have to space yourself properly to sweetspot the edges. You know, actually put in some effort to get back to the stage.
And what a stupid thing to say. I'm sure everyone here has gotten used to the sweetspot ledges, that doesn't make them good and it doesn't mean we like them.
With that said, I think we should leave P.Trainer's switch on death in. It's not a bad game mechanic like having no hitstun is, it's a unique character trait that adds a bit of strategy with using him. Maybe fatigue should go though.
And Orca, we have 256 lines of code total to use when booting the game. Keep in mind that Melee airdodge uses 87 lines. That's huge.
homsar
Smash Ace
I completely agree. Im mostly talking about removing footstool, edge mechanics, and other thigns like that. They are part of Brawls feel and should not be changed unless they seriously hinder competitive play (such as tripping did).
I propose that we work up a mission statement for the brawl+ project so that people who are just joining know what this project is about and why we are doing it.
homsar
Smash Ace
Brawl never had a melee like edge guarding system so you are not losing that system by keeping brawls. And by removing brawls you are not gaining a melee like system, your forcing brawl to be a game its not. Brawls characters and edges are designed around auto-sweet spotting and changing that could have major effects on the way it plays.
You have no evidence that they are bad. Just because it is a different system doesn't make it a bad system. And just because you don't like something doesn't give you the grounds to change it. That is why I asked everyone to take a step back and ask themselves if they want Brawl+ or Melee/Brawl 2.0. If the community wants Melee/Brawl 2.0 then thats the way we go but we need to reach a consensus before we just start changing every system in the game.
Also, calling something stupid isn't the way to win a debate.
EDIT: ****, I thought I was editing, not posting. Sorry for the double post.
wazgood
Smash Ace
since links upB sucks so hard we should just let him use it twice. also allow more DI on it cuz you cant change your direction in the middle of it.
J_RUM
Smash Rookie
Does anyone want to try to use these codes online with me?
Starscream
Smash Ace
Alright fair enough, but try not to assume that the games not for us because we don't like one specific feature of it or that we can't get used to it. We still all love Smash Bros I'm sure a lot of us would enjoy it more with the old edge game.
I and I think many others will agree that while Brawl never had a Smash Bros like edge system it lost a lot of edge-guarding depth by deciding to go with this simplified, hand holding system in the first place. See how I said Smash Bros? Because it's not a Melee mechanic, it's a Smash Bros mechanic. All Brawl did was take that away probably because Sakurai wanted to make yet another thing easier.
I like how you said it may have major effects but didn't state negative effects. I don't know if that was intentional or not but I agree, I think it could have some major effects, those being positive. People will actually have to put in effort to recover, space their recoveries so that they do grab the ledge instead of magnetizing so ridiculously. We don't have a code yet to test so we don't know if anyone's recovery is going to be ruined but I don't see anything inherently wrong with taking things that worked in previous Smash games and applying them to Brawl if it will add a competive edge to it. And if they don't work, we scrap it, it's the nature of experimenting.
SothE700k
Smash Lord
Yes, fatigue should go, but why switch the character? All PT does is sit there looking pretty (which is hard for him). Many people prefer just one of the pokemon (I personally am a Squirtle fan, hate the other two) and main them if they wish. And if for some reason they want to switch, then its in their power to do so. But dying then a forced switch is stupid in my eyes.
homsar
Smash Ace
The best thing to do in PT case is to make it so that if you select a starting pokemon and hold shield when starting the match then the player controls only that pokemon with no fatigue but people who like all three together still have PT the way he was originally made.
MBlaze
Smash Champion
You should put the names and taunts in replays as a wanted hack.
Revven
FrankerZ
There's actually already a code for that, but, it also allows players to be Giga Bowser, Warioman, and the Alloys all without freezing OR save corruption. I suppose we could ban Giga Bowser, Warioman, and the Alloys or just ask spunit to make it only work for PT. Do note that with this code you ALSO get no fatigue and no force switch, so, it's an all-in-one code.
Code:
Hold Shield for Giga & Company [spunit262]
046847C4 60000000
C268482C 00000003
3800003F 981400B8
2C1D0003 40A20008
3BA00004 00000000
C2684964 00000013
881400B8 2C00003F
40A20088 2C030010
40A20008 38600011
2C030026 40A20008
38600012 2C03001D
40A20008 3860001E
2C03001F 40A20008
38600020 2C030021
40A20008 38600022
2C03000C 40A20008
3860002C 2C030017
40A20008 3860002D
2C03000A 40A20008
3860002E 2C03000E
40A20008 3860002F
2C030000 40A20008
38600030 2C030006
40A20008 38600031
987400B8 00000000
Samus -> ZSS (Code gimp and code ungimp, also ONLY one that work online)
Ice Climbers -> Popo
R.O.B. -> Nana
Charizard -> Independant Charizard
Squirtle -> Independant Squirtle
Venasaur -> Independant Venasaur
Bowser -> Giga Bowser
Wario -> WarioMan
C. Falcon -> Red Alloy
Zelda -> Blue Alloy
Mario -> Yellow Alloy
Kirby -> Green AlloyStarscream
Smash Ace
Can you still manually switch with down+B?
kupo15
Smash Hero
Thanks leaf
And here are the character IDs:
And here are the character IDs:
Code:
Mario 00
DK 01
Link 02
Samus 03
Yoshi 04
Kirby 05
Fox 06
Pikachu 07
Luigi 08
Falcon 09
Ness 0A
Bowser 0B
Peach 0C
Zelda 0D
Sheik 0E
Clim 0F
Marth 11
G&W 12
Falco 13
Ganon 14
Wario 15
MK 16
Pit 17
ZSS 18
Olimar 19
Lucas 1A
Diddy 1B
Chariz 1D
Squirt 1E
Ivysaur 1F
Dedede 20
Lucario 21
Ike 22
ROB 23
Jiggs 25
Toony 29
Wolf 2C
Snake 2E
Sonic 2FRevven
FrankerZ
No, not if you pick Independent Charizard/Squirtle/Ivysaur. If you pick one to start out without pressing shield, I believe you'll still lack the no fatigue but, you can still switch between Pokemon.
homsar
Smash Ace
Then we should ask if its possible to make it so that no fatigue is only activated if shield is held.
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
Even without fatigue or forced switching, the Pokémon aren't really that good. The best one is probably Squirtle, but none of them are top tier or anything. The fatigue system is just absurd and has no reason to be in the game.
Jiangjunizzy
Smash Lord
the code for the fatigue system seems pretty long.. is there any word on increasing the code line limit? is it possible?
wazgood
Smash Ace
i think ive noticed a small glitch with the hitstun code: when i get hit by a low-trajectory attack into the ground, i can't tech. im guessing an easy way to fix this is to make teching have more priority than tumbling around in hitstun.
Starscream
Smash Ace
Will your Pokemon of choice switch on death if you don't pick any of them as independent? I'd test this myself but my Wii isn't currently hooked up.
homsar
Smash Ace
You are looking at the pokemon individually, but thats not how they are designed to play. Just like in actual competitive pokemon battling its the team thats good, not the pokemon by themselves. Each pokemon has its own role to play and then its supposed to switch off to the next. Squirtle is the pokemon who is supposed to rack up some damage and Charizard is supposed to be the finisher (I have no idea what they were thinking with Ivysaur). Since the pokemon are not good by themselves they implemented fatigue to try and force players to use PT to maximum potential.
But their are people who would rather just play as a single pokemon so thats why we need to make a code for them with no fatigue or forced switching.
Also, I know the individual code exists already guys, but its rather long due to being able to select giga, wario man, etc. We should shorten it up by removing them from it, give us more lines to play with.
kupo15
Smash Hero
Hitbox mod data
This give bowser all giga bowser's attack elements, damage and Knockback
Code:
Bowser Giga (Play as Giga Bowser out of Bowser) 90 lines
0B056400 0201E024
07640002 00530000
44200140 0B056432
02169024 096E1402
01690000 44200140
0B0B532D 00169027
11501C13 01690000
85A01000 0B0E6414
02169029 09500A0B
010E0000 44200140
0B0B640C 02169029
0F503213 01690000
85A01000 0B0C6137
02064028 0B641E13
00500000 85A01000
0B0A821E 0003C02C
0A3C0505 01690000
11B80000 0B175119
0016902C 183C0505
01690000 11B80000
0B023228 0209602F
03322804 00960000
44200140 0B023228
020BE02F 03322804
00BE0000 44200140
0B098C28 0204102F
0D821E04 005A0000
44200140 0B145017
0205A032 1A3C1E03
005A0000 79A00000
0B0F5A17 02046032
183C1E03 005A0000
79A00000 0B0C643C
0005A032 183C1E03
005A0000 79A00000
0B0A643C 0004A032
0C3C3C00 004A0000
44200140 0B0D5014
00169033 0F501403
01690000 79A00000
0B095014 00169033
0F501403 01690000
79A00000 0B0D5028
02169033 0F503213
01690000 85A01000
0B0C5028 02169033
0F503213 01690000
85A01000 0B0B5028
02169033 0F503213
01690000 85A01000
0B0F5319 02023033
11501903 00180000
79A00000 0B076423
02169033 11501903
00180000 79A00000
0B115D23 00055033
14503C02 00550000
44200140 0B036400
02050033 03640003
00500000 79A00000
0B021E3C 02014018
0A823C13 00500000
85A01000 0B144B2D
0004C119 174B2D00
004C0000 44200140
0B0B5046 00050117
0B504600 00500000
44200140 0B053250
0205A117 05325002
005A0000 44200140
0B033232 02046117
05325002 005A0000
44200140 0B021432
02054118 03323202
00460000 44200140
0B144B2D 0004C11A
174B2D00 004C0000
44200140 0B0B483C
0004C11B 12483C00
004C0000 44200140
0B0C6400 0000003C
145A000B 00000000
44200140 0B016400
0200003C 02640003
00000000 79A00000
0B086400 00169076
10640013 01690000
85A01000 0B0A6400
00169076 10640013
00820000 85A01000
Byte count ------> "2D0"
Code:
Possible Nerfs For Bowser Giga
Weak Skin (Almas) 9 lines
04001800 3F8CCCCD
04001804 3E0F5C29
C276967C 00000006
3C608000 60631800
8004C690 2C00000B
40820014 C0030000
EC210032 C0030004
EC21002A 3C6080AD
60000000 00000000
(side effect of Thick Skin) Damagetaken(1.11) + .14 = new damage taken
Smaus Charged shot on anyone 26% damage
Samus Charged shot on Thick skin(Bowser) 23% damage
Samus Charged shot on Weak Skin(Bowser Giga) 29% damage
Weak Shell (Almas) 7 lines
04001808 3F8CCCCD
C281D038 00000005
3FE08000 3BFF1808
801DF5AC 2C00000B
4082000C C2DF0000
EC360072 4E800020
60000000 00000000
Recieve 10% more knockback
both of them will make him super weak on defense, maybe we should apply one of them, for testings
** I repeat, this is Bowser with all Giga Bowser's hitbox properties, and their original values were preserved**
and with this I want to tell a good nerf to make Bowser Giga to make him more standar rather than broken, but this will make Bowser not be 100% giga bowser, but yet a 50% Giga Bowser and the other 50% bowser
example:
Giga Bowser Ftilt Values
Damage(hex)11 = 17(decimal)
KB Gain50 = 80 (decimal)
Base KB(hex)1C = 28 (decimal)
Launch Angle(hex)169 = 361(decimal)
Bowser Ftilt Values
Damage(hex)0B = 11(decimal)
KB Gain(hex)53 = 83 (decimal)
Base KB(hex)2D = 45 (decimal)
Launch Angle(hex)169 = 361 (decimal)
Both Giga Bowser's and Bowser's Knock Back New
new damage - 0E
new KB gain - 52
new Base KB - 25
NewLaunch Angle - 169I believe in Melee you, generally speaking, weren't able to tech in hitlag. It would always register as a failed attempt, unless you SDI'd into an object, then teched on the same frame as the collision (this was seen most frequently in Ledge Teching).
Quoted from Physics of Melee Thread (by Doraki):
"The tricky thing put in by the developpers is that pressing L during the hitlag of a move will prevent you from teching, except if it's the last frame of hitlag and you're bouncing on the next frame or if you're SDIing into the wall and pressing L on the same frame."
Quoted from Physics of Melee Thread (by Doraki):
"The tricky thing put in by the developpers is that pressing L during the hitlag of a move will prevent you from teching, except if it's the last frame of hitlag and you're bouncing on the next frame or if you're SDIing into the wall and pressing L on the same frame."
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
Oh, that Sakurai. Always thinking of the players' best interests.
WeirdoZ Inc.
Smash Apprentice
Some of you seem a little confused about the P. Trainer codes.
You can choose your starter Pokemon - No change
You can switch Pokemon - No change
No fatigue/stamina - Major Gripe
It doesn't cycle to the next Pokemon when you get KO'd - Minor gripe
Basically, you get Zelda and Sheik, but with 3 characters instead of 2. The trainer is more or less in tact. The only difference is that the fatigue is gone and it won't change automatically when you get KO'd. You can still play the same Trainer (minus auto-change) cycling through the Pokemon for each situation (and removing move degradation). Or you can concentrate on 1, or even 2 Pokemon.
Exactly like Zelda and Sheik. You can main one or the other, or you can use them in combination to suit certain situations. Or to a lesser extent; Samus and ZSS, but less finicky and not one way.
It's all about the options and improving the game, right?
Using those codes you get this:
You can choose your starter Pokemon - No change
You can switch Pokemon - No change
No fatigue/stamina - Major Gripe
It doesn't cycle to the next Pokemon when you get KO'd - Minor gripe
Basically, you get Zelda and Sheik, but with 3 characters instead of 2. The trainer is more or less in tact. The only difference is that the fatigue is gone and it won't change automatically when you get KO'd. You can still play the same Trainer (minus auto-change) cycling through the Pokemon for each situation (and removing move degradation). Or you can concentrate on 1, or even 2 Pokemon.
Exactly like Zelda and Sheik. You can main one or the other, or you can use them in combination to suit certain situations. Or to a lesser extent; Samus and ZSS, but less finicky and not one way.
It's all about the options and improving the game, right?
Starscream
Smash Ace
39 lines of code does seem like quite a bit though. However, it seems fine for use at this point in time.
WeirdoZ Inc.
Smash Apprentice
Yea, unfortunately it is pretty long. Hopefully there's a way to shorten it, or increase the maximum amount of lines for Ocarina codes. While I believe this code is a worthy addition to Brawl+, I can see it being quite expendable if more important codes get added/created.
Revven
FrankerZ
Not possible, the amount of codes is based off of the Wii's excess RAM when the game is loaded. Blame the limit on the Wii's RAM not the developers of Ocarina/Gecko OS/WiiRd.
wazgood
Smash Ace
or maybe its just that im not used to teching in brawl and im still timing it like it was in melee. **** the non squishy triggers.
kupo15
Smash Hero
The problem is, I use a nunchuck so no squishy triggers or anything to get in my way and its very difficult...maybe someone should make a list of all the moves that immediately throw you on the floor without DI...
MBlaze
Smash Champion
You think we should have a hack that removes the crap that makes the Z button act all gay sometimes? I'll give an example.
Say I just got done shielding or something, I go to grab but it gives me the shield, I press it several more times quickly so I don't lose the opportunity to grab the opponent and it keeps going in and out of shield. Those of you who have experienced this before know what I'm talking about and how annoying it is.
Feelings on this idea?
Say I just got done shielding or something, I go to grab but it gives me the shield, I press it several more times quickly so I don't lose the opportunity to grab the opponent and it keeps going in and out of shield. Those of you who have experienced this before know what I'm talking about and how annoying it is.
Feelings on this idea?
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
Z-button has been ******** since Melee. Just use R+A if you're going to grab out of an aerial or as you're getting up or something.
kupo15
Smash Hero
.485 is way too high. I am actually at .48
Wait. Are you telling me that without this code, you can tech during the tumble? I'm pretty sure you would air dodge
I disagree. It does add something. Its obvious that the best way to get out of combos is an Air dodge if your smart. Its also next to impossible to escape the tumble then air dodge faster than it is to air dodge from the tumble. So there are several occasions where this is beneficial.
When you go into the tumble near any platform or wall. These situations force teching instead of an Air dodge that autocancels when you land because the extra time it takes to wiggle and air dodge will cause you to miss a tech. Ulevo mentioned this several times and it was completely brushed off.
If you are getting juggled and the attacker is next to you, in vb or b+ without this code, you can spam AD until you escape usually. But with the code, the extra time to do that will cause you to get comboed further. You can decide to jump out instead but that can make things very risky. If you decide to jump you run the risk of getting hit out of it thus being put back into the tumble and will have a harder time returning because of now you have no jump and they are still on top of you. This doesn't happen without the code because you can simply Air dodge through people and it gives little to no reward to the attacker.
If you are hit in the air without a second jump, this code certainly makes a difference because not only can you not AD to break away if they are close, you can't even jump out which puts you at a very disadvantageous position. If they are on top of you, your only options are to attack or use specials. This is also a situation where FFing in the tumble might be a viable escape option. An up b might be a great way to escape, (marth) but if predicted, it could be easily air dodged thus your punished. This is the punishment for risking getting hit out of your second jump.
Not being able to AD in tumble is more than just wiggle out every time. It affects situations differently and can actually be used as a strategy to get players in these bad situations. Using smarts like this can actually warrant a decrease in hitstun so that escaping combos isn't just proper DI and a well timed air dodge. It adds depth by making you decide how you want to DI and how you want to react once in the tumble. Wrong decisions can put you back to square one where you have to find a new way to return to the stage which most likely will be harder.
I feel this adds a lot of excitement to the combo game where you don't have combos purely based on high hitstun and seeing what you can do only in the hitstun phase. It can open the possibility of lowering hitstun to where half of comboing is hitstun based, and half is mindgames and zoning which is lacking without this code. I immediately saw this while playing at gamers club. Oh and if it means anything, there several scrubs there and not one complained about this code and I fully explained it to them.
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He has been telling you great examples and reasons. You just chose not to listen and pretend he didn't say something good.
I've already stated how this code functions nothing like the MLC.
MLC adds no depth, tumble code does.
The best option is to l cancel, the best option isn't always to wiggle out
Tumble code affects situations differently, MLC stays the same all the time
If none of my above reasons were good enough for you (I think they were) then get this. No AD in tumble code fixes ganon's up B.
MuBa
Smash Lord
Okay we really need a code that will fix some of the ******** issues with the C-stick Aerials. There are times where I end up MOVING instead of doing an aerial when I use the **** C-stick.
I say we should alter the button mapping of the C-stick.
I say we should alter the button mapping of the C-stick.
MBlaze
Smash Champion
Oh yeah that, it makes you move to the direction you pressed the C-stick in, it's not that big of a deal. It usually never happens.
GameSystem
Smash Journeyman
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http://xat.com/BrawlPlus
This was on the opening post for the Brawl+ support thread except nobody ever reads the opening post. I was asked to repost it everywhere to have it get some attention. It can be used as a makeshift friendfinder if you are looking for brawl+ matches.
This was on the opening post for the Brawl+ support thread except nobody ever reads the opening post. I was asked to repost it everywhere to have it get some attention. It can be used as a makeshift friendfinder if you are looking for brawl+ matches.
homsar
Smash Ace
I laughed.Oh, that Sakurai. Always thinking of the players' best interests.
spunit262
Smash Journeyman
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Codes like that usaly have the values in the description. Y.S.'s color mod is an execption.
00 Normal
01 Red
02 Green
03 Blue
04 Extra costume (Pikachu lacks)
05 Extra costume (all Pokemon lack)
06 Overalls/Extra costume (if main costume is team color)
07 Overalls Red
08 Overalls Green
09 Overalls Blue
0A Extra Overalls
0B Extra Overalls
0C Emeraled