Luigi gets invincibility frames during fireball?

LuigiKing · Jan 16, 2009

Alright so I was playing against SwastikaPyle's Falco the other day, and something quite strange happened and I can't figure it out. He shot a laser and it went right through me as I begun my fireball animation. I've heard weird rumors about stuff like this but no one ever had a vid, and luckily I play with a hacked wii so I could save the replay ^_^ Anyway guys, ideas as to what is going on here? I might break it down frame by frame and see what happens later, but who knows, this could be uber useful. So useful in fact that its so hard to do and situational it has never been recorded until now -_-

But really this could potentially be a pretty cool discovery for Luigi, we haven't had much new go on here for a while. Or it could be something totally groundbreaking. Or it could just be something stupid. I assure you there were no items or anything out of the ordinary going on here.

Heres the vid! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwI6nf89kQM

CR4SH · Jan 16, 2009

If this is as useful as it looks, luigi could be in for a boost.

Or it could be completely useless.

I vote for the former.

P.S. Might want to see what the falco boards know about this.

A2ZOMG · Jan 16, 2009

My observation:

I think the Falco shot a laser a bit too high, and Luigi ducked under it. His hat doesn't count at a hurtbox more likely. *shrug*

Mew2Queen · Jan 16, 2009

Thats sick he does a little side step into another dimension were the hit box does not follow. I saw something like this on the falco boards yesterday were falco does his up smash and pikachu did his side b move and when falco did his up smash pikachu flew directly under him when he reached the pinnaccle of his up smash and it was pretty sick.

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrl-_BEgDQk

video of falco dodge if interested ^^^^^

Vist · Jan 16, 2009

hmm.. can't really explain it. I'm guessing it either really is an invincibility frame or somehow there's a disjointed hitbox with his head at that point which was lower than the laser like a2zomg said

hippiedude92 · Jan 16, 2009

It almost looks like a sidestep lol o.0.

vKo · Jan 16, 2009

I think he did get the invincibility frames.
I just tested out shooting Luigi at that height and he gets damage for a headshot.

chic · Jan 16, 2009

this has also happened to me a few times, but not during a fireball. i think its interesting but i dont see much use for it

A2ZOMG · Jan 16, 2009

What you need to do to test this out is like...pick someone like Squirtle, who has a 1 frame Jab, and keep trying to Jab Luigi at different frames on training mode...or something silly like that.

Personally me I just think Luigi ducked right under the laser though lol.

Magus420 · Jan 16, 2009

Remember that the smash world is in 3 dimensions. If the hitbox of the laser is anything like it was in Melee, it's very narrow and travels down the middle. When Luigi did the fireball his head went more towards the background and 'behind' where the laser passed through. Falcon/Ganon's side-Bs did this in Melee and was even more noticeable.

It looks almost like the laser goes right through Ganon's head/chest there, but he's actually in front of it towards the foreground.

Delvro · Jan 16, 2009

If that's the case, then most attacks will still hit Luigi, since fists and swords aren't paper thin like Falco's laser and can reach into the background/foreground slightly, is that correct?

Still, I'm going to training mode to test tonight. =P

Eten · Jan 16, 2009

Yes, most attacks still connect. Only flat stuff like Pit's Arrows and Falco's blaster and stuff get dodged. And it's only higher up, about Luigi's head-height, if Pit directs his arrow low for example, you'll still get hit. You go in da backround for a quick moment is all!

I thought I already said this here a while ago, but you know it just doesn't have much use. Luigi will just rather conveniently dodge a few projectiles by chance when you fireball.

crewster · Jan 16, 2009

I remember once when I paused the game in the middle of a fireball luigi was green, I think he gets one frame of "light" (like the dodge/invincibility on ledge).

A2ZOMG · Jan 18, 2009

Magus420 said:
Remember that the smash world is in 3 dimensions.

Whoa seriously? Now I've heard everything!

I guess it makes sense. It's just I never noticed it for any practical purposes. Now the dodge frames on Ganon's Side-B make sense.

crewster · Jan 18, 2009

I'm actually very intrested in this. I'm going to upload some pictures from my SD card if I fugure out how to upload them into my pictures. Little help? It says invalid file when I try to upload.

WIGI · Jan 18, 2009

i dodged jiggs rollout yesterday with a fireball. o.0 not sure if i ahve the replay or not. but it was weird.

kigbariom · Jan 18, 2009

I think its the same deal with uploading video, you need a certain device to get the snapshots on your computer. I don't know though.

crewster · Jan 18, 2009

There is a SD slot in my com.

linkmaster71 · Jan 18, 2009

I don't think videos from the Wii can be converted to work on PC. You need a special program for Snapshots. I just don't think one has been made for videos.

prOAPC · Jan 18, 2009

those aren't invici frames, luigi just dodge the laser while attacking
same with this pic

crewster · Jan 18, 2009

But I was going to show you that a spot dodge makes you step into the background.

WIGI · Jan 18, 2009

i unno, a lazor and a tounge is one thing, but dodgeing an entire ROLLOUT?

i unno.

kigbariom · Jan 18, 2009

When Luigi is fully green, eyes closed and hands clasped is when he is invincible.

crewster · Jan 18, 2009

That makes sense.

zhao_guang · Jan 18, 2009

I think someone with enough skill could make some use of this, but I think it might be a bit too situational for huge boost in the metagame

Sick find though LuigiKing!

LuigiKing · Jan 18, 2009

prOAPC said:
those aren't invici frames, luigi just dodge the laser while attacking
same with this pic

Very helpful post APC. Does the stick still leave Lucas's lower half vulnerable though? I'm assuming it does, just thought I would check. This is still pretty interesting though, I didn't know that many moves worked like this. Its sort of like a semi spot dodge attached to an attack. Neet. Maybe we can make use of this somehow, it also makes me wonder if it works the same in the air...

And thanks zhao

MikeyRules112 · Jan 18, 2009

Wow.
Awesome find. Never knew about this. XD

KrazyCyclone · Jan 18, 2009

Wow that is Very interesting and this has happened to me before when i used luigi's fireball in mid air

A2ZOMG · Jan 19, 2009

crewster said:
But I was going to show you that a spot dodge makes you step into the background.

If that was the only factor behind spotdodges, you would still get hit by stuff like Mario's D-smash as his legs sweep into the background LOL.

Delta_0 · Jan 19, 2009

A2ZOMG said:
If that was the only factor behind spotdodges, you would still get hit by stuff like Mario's D-smash as his legs sweep into the background LOL.

His legs don't get inv. frames when he does it, though.

ALiAsVee · Jan 19, 2009

Delta_0 said:
His legs don't get inv. frames when he does it, though.

No, he means that just stepping into the background doing a spot dodge wouldn't realistically allow you to evade Mario's Dsmash, because he does a 360 sweep to attack, which would still hit you. The inv. frames from the spot dodge get this done in practice.

crewster · Jan 19, 2009

LK btw, your sig is awesome.

Wizard99 · Jan 22, 2009

ALiAsVee said:
No, he means that just stepping into the background doing a spot dodge wouldn't realistically allow you to evade Mario's Dsmash, because he does a 360 sweep to attack, which would still hit you. The inv. frames from the spot dodge get this done in practice.

This makes a lot of sense.

Legendary Pikachu · Jan 22, 2009

Well if it helps... I play regularly against nub pits and average ones and i commonly "dodge" the light arrows while fireballing. They didn't hit me... the arrows just kept going passed luigi. It goes past his chest area so its not like the head is lower (clearly ABOVE the arrow). It literally like passes through luigi upper-midsection (through his armpit?!). Maybe the sprite-box of luigi is SUPER-DISJOINTED/wierd during the fireball animation. Donut-sprite spotdodge???

PS. Luigi has kung fu skills anyways--who WOULD be skeptical about him dodging moves without even trying... lol

Sincerely,
Legendary Pikachu, LDPK, still a fledgeling smashboards'er

and a luigi secondary :D Green dude ftw!

prOAPC · Jan 27, 2009

LuigiKing said:
Very helpful post APC. Does the stick still leave Lucas's lower half vulnerable though? I'm assuming it does, just thought I would check. This is still pretty interesting though, I didn't know that many moves worked like this. Its sort of like a semi spot dodge attached to an attack. Neet. Maybe we can make use of this somehow, it also makes me wonder if it works the same in the air...

And thanks zhao

i haven't tested it with other attacks, but it should work with attacks with small hitboxes.
i'm sure you luigi's main will find an use of this fireball dodge, with Lucas, i do it quite often vs a happy grabber Yoshi

LuigiKing · Jan 27, 2009

While you're here APC, whats with you Lucas mains and omelets? srsly.

TechnoMonster · Jan 28, 2009

Looks like he crouched a little and it went through his hat, its possible that the hurtbox shifts significantly downward during the animation.

Delvro · Jan 28, 2009

Legendary Pikachu said:
Well if it helps... I play regularly against nub pits and average ones and i commonly "dodge" the light arrows while fireballing. They didn't hit me... the arrows just kept going passed luigi. It goes past his chest area so its not like the head is lower (clearly ABOVE the arrow). It literally like passes through luigi upper-midsection (through his armpit?!). Maybe the sprite-box of luigi is SUPER-DISJOINTED/wierd during the fireball animation. Donut-sprite spotdodge???

PS. Luigi has kung fu skills anyways--who WOULD be skeptical about him dodging moves without even trying... lol

Sincerely,
Legendary Pikachu, LDPK, still a fledgeling smashboards'er

and a luigi secondary :D Green dude ftw!

While this works if the Pit player shoots a straight arrow, it will NOT work if they curve the arrow down. It hit's Luigi's knees. Pretty neat WTF trick, though.

From what I can tell, it doesn't work against Falco's grounded laser, because Falco is too short.

More thorough testing on the way, but I'm not very hopeful =(

Cheesewulf · Jan 28, 2009

yeah, I can approve it
I just "dodged" Pit's arrow with a fireball a few minutes ago D:

my friend called me a cheater

KoSa! · Jan 29, 2009

LOL i loved the Gdorf video. This can prove to be useless, except in a projectile shootout, and even that falco shoots another laser in time for Luigi to do something.

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