mew2king, how do you beat peach?

Razor · Jan 19, 2009

I've heard the rumors and part of me does not believe it. apparently mew2king's sheik is a peach slayer. i definitely think it's in sheik's favor, but that's from a peach perspective. everytime i try using sheik against peach, i lose. m2k, i summon you!!!

I.B · Jan 19, 2009

needle abuse.

massive massive needle abuse.

you probably think i'm kidding too.

KirbyKaze · Jan 19, 2009

**** imadh when did you get so smart.

Banks · Jan 19, 2009

back air

Teczer0 · Jan 19, 2009

I asked m2k how to do this once.

He said push buttons. Whatever seems fun to push atm.

DtJ Jungle · Jan 19, 2009

^ this = win

Teczer0 · Jan 19, 2009

I have CG infinites on Rika =D

Dogysamich · Jan 20, 2009

I'm waitin for m2k to come up in here like

SPAM MOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAR.

DtJ Jungle · Jan 20, 2009

****...wow thats some serious ****

Teczer0 · Jan 20, 2009

DogySamich said:
I'm waitin for m2k to come up in here like

SPAM MOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAR.

Your avatars/sigs are sooooooo amazing

DtJ Jungle · Jan 20, 2009

and yoru commentary for TO4 was amazing.

Stratford · Jan 20, 2009

Yes that was like debate style commentary. Too good.

10nipahs

Mew2King · Jan 20, 2009

do stuff win

Strong Badam · Jan 20, 2009

ur dumb if ur using sheik if you hit down-b you transform into zelda and zelda completely ***** peach m2k back me up here

Teczer0 · Jan 20, 2009

Mew2King said:
do stuff win

Teczero said:
I asked m2k how to do this once.

He said push buttons. Whatever seems fun to push atm.

Looks like the same thing imo

DtJ Jungle · Jan 20, 2009

yes i just tried that and i won!

thanks m2k!

DRD · Jan 20, 2009

Why did I not realize that earlier

Metà · Jan 20, 2009

Sheik kills your Peach at leisure.

B-air, d-throw, needles, f-air, and u-air all **** Peach so hard it's not even funny. Camp needles and back-airs around platforms and you're good to go!

Razor · Jan 20, 2009

sigh. i was hoping for a serious post from mew2king. he gave great advice on how to beat captain falcon and how to do sheik dittos. what happened m2k?

Celph · Jan 20, 2009

yeah dude, it's not helpful at all when people are like "hey use sheik's good moves and you win." uh no ****, but when you're playing good peaches you actually need to know what you're doing.

DtJ Jungle · Jan 20, 2009

uh. well.

welcome to smashboards guiz.

Metà · Jan 20, 2009

Celph said:
yeah dude, it's not helpful at all when people are like "hey use sheik's good moves and you win." uh no ****, but when you're playing good peaches you actually need to know what you're doing.

Against actually good Peaches, you're going to need to be good. No one here can help you with that, you just have to learn from experience.

Don't get d-smashed/punish their d-smashes, camp ledges, pressure with jabs, and the aforementioned good moves. You just have to know the match-up and use your character to their fullest potential, while exploiting the other character's weaknesses.

Celph · Jan 20, 2009

Metà said:
You just have to know the match-up

What do you think he's asking?

ynnek123 · Jan 20, 2009

Celph said:
yeah dude, it's not helpful at all when people are like "hey use sheik's good moves and you win." uh no ****, but when you're playing good peaches you actually need to know what you're doing.

Did I read this wrong or did you just...

Give advice to m2k?

lol

soap · Jan 20, 2009

DogySamich said:
I'm waitin for m2k to come up in here like

SPAM MOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAR.

now im waiting for drephen to come in here and call m2k a noob.

banks had it right though, back air.... and grab. just focus on those two things and weave it into however u move around the stage.

Banks · Jan 20, 2009

short hop back air them over and over with the tip of your foot and watch them wonder wtf to do for a good five minutes. they'll eventually get around that homo stuff, but use some other homo methods like needle spam etc. if you have trouble it's probly cuz u get downsmashed alot i'm guessing? u can pressure sheilds with fair too but u have to space carefully and stuff. if you go for grabs and get spot dodged/dsmashed, stop going for it. and act more f@ggy and wait til they are more offensive, then try to sneak grabs in.

stay a leg's length away

KirbyKaze · Jan 20, 2009

When you D-throw Peach, if she DI behind you, I do U-tilt/Uair and keep her above me with more Uair.

If she DI away you can regrab to just under 30 I think. After that what you do is mostly whatever but I like simple Fair.

If she tries camping back with turnips, just charge a full set of needles and time them to hit her when she's plucked or thrown it.

To approach now I run at them and WD down about the distance of an F-tilt and a bit more at them and then wait for them to do something. Or I SH so when I land I'll be just over a Bair's distance away from them and then if they approach I Bair them through it and if they don't approach I land and then wait because I'm still at that distance. Or, alternatively, I double jump and waveland or something or jump away with needle charge or throw needles.

It is extremely advantageous to be behind Peach when she is in shield.

I'm finding the biggest problem with people vs Peach is that they try to be super fancy with needles and stuff when she's floating at them or they do the wrong things at the wrong time. They'll FJ onto a platform and needle and then platform drop and double jump into more needles when they Peach is approaching high in front of them with Fair rather then jumping above Peach and descending with Nair, or - for the more practical - SH Bairing at them. Or, for the even safer, just waiting for Peach to land and then running away or kicking at that point.

Don't be fancy... kick her when you're supposed to kick her, needle her if she's trying to camp you back or if it's convenient, and don't get stuck with no room to jump back and Fair. If you do get stuck, Up+B stall, do a perfect ledgedash and get your breathing room back.

soap · Jan 21, 2009

KirbyKaze said:
If she tries camping back with turnips, just charge a full set of needles and time them to hit her when she's plucked or thrown it.

this is a lil trick i look for on big stages like FD. stay far away and charge.

keep your eyes on her and when she pulls the turnip wait for the fulljump and rush under the turnip and u get a free fair.

if they r tricky and just float, u run under the fair and bair.

this really works

KirbyKaze · Jan 21, 2009

Nowadays I avoid Fair against Peach unless she's already airborne or I know I cannot under any circumstances be punished for it because of where I am in relation to her.

Except for FJ rising Fair that hits her when she comes in for dash attack or Nairs or something. That's ninja enough to be pro.

soap · Jan 21, 2009

KirbyKaze said:
Nowadays I avoid Fair against Peach unless she's already airborne or I know I cannot under any circumstances be punished for it because of where I am in relation to her.

Except for FJ rising Fair that hits her when she comes in for dash attack or Nairs or something. That's ninja enough to be pro.

i get alot of dthrow to double fair on peach usually..

i was talking about smacking her out the air after u snake under her turnips and she is lagging cuz she throws like a girl.

KirbyKaze · Jan 21, 2009

Wow misinterpretation by me ftl.

I always regrab until they hit 27 and then usually do something after.

If they go behind me I do up moves and try to keep her above me for as long as I can with mostly Uair. Eventually I have to Bair and set an edgeguard though.

I'm not entirely sure what to do if they decide not to DI (it never happens) but I think I can SHFFL Uair on it at low-medium and U-smash at medium-high so... yeah.

DtJ Jungle · Jan 21, 2009

like how sheik lags if she throws standing needles or rising needles?

hmm..girl throws ftw.

soap · Jan 21, 2009

junglefever6478 said:
like how sheik lags if she throws standing needles or rising needles?

hmm..girl throws ftw.

but she is also a ninja so she can needle cancel.

I wonder why peach cant fastfall turnip cancel? they gave her that gay float cancel thing...

DtJ Jungle · Jan 21, 2009

cuz she isnt a ninja

shes a princess...to dainty for all that fancy shmancy stuff.

KirbyKaze · Jan 21, 2009

soap said:
but she is also a ninja so she can needle cancel.

I wonder why peach cant fastfall turnip cancel? they gave her that gay float cancel thing...

She probably could if she could throw turnips when she was floating.

Kouryuu · Jan 21, 2009

Be patient, space your tilts, learn to needle camp, learn your grab game. DONE

Razor · Jan 21, 2009

okay, so here's another question. does sheik actually have an advantage over peach???

i really don't know. the only thing i feel that is broken about sheik in this match up is d-throw to slap. maybe the ftilt. i still feel as a peach you can play your normal game and not worry too much.

KirbyKaze · Jan 21, 2009

Razor said:
i still feel as a peach you can play your normal game and not worry too much.

Peach's normal game doesn't really change.

Having said that, Sheik's game is better than Peach's in this matchup. Therefore she has an advantage. I don't think it's a **** advantage, and most of the Peaches I've asked about it didn't think so either (Xif, Vwins, a few others) but Sheik's a better character and it shows. That's just how it is.

edit: All Peach has on you, basically, is a super ridiculous Fair, the super awesome turnip --> Fair approach game, a crazy close combat game at low percents, and devastatingly hot edgeguarding. Most of this involves her being really close, though, and at low percent. So if you can deny her those, you should be okay.

If you can raise her to that percent where your aerials knock her away too far to be CCed and outspace her Fair and punish her for using it, and manuever around her turnips and avoid being trapped by them and forced to take the super pressure Fair from hell to your shield / face you will be fine.

On that note, avoid close combat like the mother****ing plague. Peach will **** your **** up if you let her in. Do NOT let her in under any circumstances.

Drephen · Jan 21, 2009

m2k is a noob

Ryan-K · Jan 21, 2009

Drephen said:
m2k is a noob

But yeah, don't get ***** by cc garbage at low percents, just space well.

And learn how to crouch the first hit of the dsmash when you up b on stage so that way the second hit hits you in towards the stage instead of back out. The extra 12% is worth not dying.

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