Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

demodemo · Mar 9, 2009

a quick question

has there been any successful falcons who don't wavedash? waveland ok, but just like, don't wavedash? and if possible, are there videos?

I'm just curious because i have been playing and wavedashing feels really awkward to me on falcon, and it doesnt help that my R gets stuck periodically.

JonaDiaper · Mar 9, 2009

um no. there was only a link player that was good without wavedashing, other then him theres like no one. learn to apply it

DrewB008 · Mar 9, 2009

jiano barely wavedashes, but he wavelands a lot

i suggest that you be able to do it though, its much easier technically than things youll be trying to do later on and there are situations where it helps you out

soap · Mar 9, 2009

demodemo said:
a quick question

has there been any successful falcons who don't wavedash? waveland ok, but just like, don't wavedash? and if possible, are there videos?

I'm just curious because i have been playing and wavedashing feels really awkward to me on falcon, and it doesnt help that my R gets stuck periodically.

try L

wavedashing is good with falcon if u **** up your dashdance and want to reset

JonaDiaper · Mar 9, 2009

oh werd, definately, you dont wanna be stuck in the slow run, sticky walk w/e you wanna call it..

Hax · Mar 10, 2009

rofl drew that was a joke. falcon actually doesn't have any good matchups :laugh:

i'm just mean on the boards lol

wavedashing/landing is necessary at high levels of play btw; anyone who disagrees needs to ****ing money match me

Scar · Mar 10, 2009

yeah i agree w/ hax falcon has 1 even matchup (dittos) and the rest are bad

papermarkis · Mar 10, 2009

I wouldn't say they're all bad. Just a lot of them are either even or slightly in the other characters favor. Except Shiek and Falco. They put it up Falcon's butt indefinitely. I considered Fox pretty even before Darkrain Vs Cactuar. I think Cactuar's style just ***** the Falcon main mentality of being really aggressive and flashy. I also think he may have the advantage against Ganondorf. Ganondorf really only has an edgeguarding advantage in that match-up. Unless Kage has something to say about that?

JonaDiaper · Mar 10, 2009

i thought kage had a cool name because i thought it was pronounced cage, but apparently its kah gay lol

anyways yea falcon won a major tourney

Hax · Mar 10, 2009

falcon beats shannondorf and goes 55-45 vs other falcons. those are his only good matchups

Mogwai · Mar 10, 2009

yea, CF vs. M2 is especially bad. Falcon only has like, Any Throw or Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial combos, but due to M2's insane spacing, speed, and small body, it's pretty much impossible to ever land a grab or aerial.

NES n00b · Mar 10, 2009

Hey, if people believe Falcon doesn't have good matchups, it just makes me look better.

papermarkis · Mar 10, 2009

Mogwai said:
yea, CF vs. M2 is especially bad. Falcon only has like, Any Throw or Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial -> Any Aerial combos, but due to M2's insane spacing, speed, and small body, it's pretty much impossible to ever land a grab or aerial.

I know you're trying to be funny, but M2 has so many combos against fast fallers it's not a joke.

NES n00b · Mar 10, 2009

papermarkis said:
I know you're trying to be funny, but M2 has so many combos against fast fallers it's not a joke.

If mewtwo had a better way to approach, he would actually be decent against Falcon, but since he doesn't, he isn't.

If nairs are spaced perfectly and Falcon isn't played stupidly, there is not much mewtwo can do.

Scar · Mar 10, 2009

m2 ***** falcon

Divinokage · Mar 10, 2009

Ganon/Falcon?

Well Ganon can easily edgeguard a falcon, and also I do have good combos on falcon as well. For example at 30% I can do downair, grab in the air, downthrow or upthrow, jab, no tech, fair lol. And I can DI down Falcon's nair to avoid the 2nd hit, or DI away to avoid combos. Also I have to DI towards falcon at 60+ % to avoid upthrow, knee. I would rather get hit by the back air and DI away after.

Pretty much examples that I know to avoid falcon stuff but Falcon has running speed over me so if I don't space correctly for if I get baited like a noob then I can get *****... relatively the same the other way around. If I guess correctly then get ready to feel pain lol.

So I'll say just because falcon has the speed that falcon has the advantage. Falcon also has easy edgeguard against Ganon.

(Notice how I said "I" for myself, I am Ganon lol)

demodemo · Mar 10, 2009

Thanks for the response guys, I do waveland, like onto the stage and stuff (with L), but for some reason wavedashing with L feels really unnatural. i'll practice it..

kage, i'm just curious, i do uthrow > uthrow at 0 on my friends ganon frequently, and i'm wondering if that is a 100% unDIable combo?

also, are there any viable followups to a dthrow? I find that uthrow works better in every situation, usually leading to nairs edit: talking about cf vs ganon here btw

Hax · Mar 10, 2009

yo, does big d have smashboards?

Mogwai · Mar 10, 2009

na son, BigD's a scrub. Scar just talks to him on AIM about questions in here and the two of them give scrubby answers. That DrewB008 guy is the truth though, he knows what he's talking about. I dunno why I've never seen his name in tournies

. /sarcasm

demodemo · Mar 10, 2009

Hax said:
yo, does big d have smashboards?

would like to point out that this is the 1337th post in this thread

NES n00b · Mar 10, 2009

Hax said:
yo, does big d have smashboards?

You can own a smashboards? I need to get one of those.

Hax · Mar 10, 2009

lmao ****, i should've posted something so much better.

DrewB008 · Mar 11, 2009

bigd is a piece of ****

**** him

JonaDiaper · Mar 11, 2009

atleast he gives good advice

DrewB008 · Mar 11, 2009

ok now even i am confused

JonaDiaper · Mar 11, 2009

were talkin about some scrubby nubby dude

Mogwai · Mar 11, 2009

DrewB008 said:
bigd is a piece of ****

**** him

DrewB008, please be respectful of other forum members. Even pieces of **** deserve respect.

JonaDiaper said:
atleast he gives good advice

http://www.smashboards.com/member.php?u=1349

With ZERO posts, hmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????

DrewB008 said:
ok now even i am confused

lol

JonaDiaper · Mar 11, 2009

Mogwai said:
DrewB008, please be respectful of other forum members. Even pieces of **** deserve respect.

http://www.smashboards.com/member.php?u=1349

With ZERO posts, hmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????

lol your not nice son...

well hes obviously better then all of us since he joined in 01

Scar · Mar 11, 2009

JonaDiaper, Mogwai, and DrewB008:

Please refrain from spamming this thread or infractions will be given out. Thank you so much and please continue enjoying Smashboards while following the rules and Terms of Use.

DtJ Jungle · Mar 11, 2009

hi scar!

soo...falcon kick tech chasing..sweet yeah?

philbobjoe · Mar 11, 2009

Wow the last time BigD was on Smashboards was in 1969.

Divinokage · Mar 11, 2009

DI the upthrow of Falcon? I think it's possible.

JonaDiaper · Mar 11, 2009

Scar said:
JonaDiaper, Mogwai, and DrewB008:

Please refrain from spamming this thread or infractions will be given out. Thank you so much and please continue enjoying Smashboards while following the rules and Terms of Use.

ewwww i see you in that suit you wore and like being all serious and then walking away lololol

anyways falcon won a major tourney.. cool stuff

DrewB008 · Mar 11, 2009

scar do me a favor and find out bigd's password and tell me what it is

MdrnDayMercutio · Mar 11, 2009

I'm a sad little noob. What do I do to Spacies at low percents?

Divinokage · Mar 11, 2009

I would probably space Nair, to grab to techchase downair, forward B, knee lol.

DrewB008 · Mar 11, 2009

if you see an opportunity to get them off the edge, go for it

other than that, kage had it pretty good, just look for grabs and nair is a good way to get grabs

Divinokage · Mar 11, 2009

Nair to grab works wonders, indeed. Knee to grab too at 0%.

Mogwai · Mar 11, 2009

MdrnDayMercutio said:
I'm a sad little noob. What do I do to Spacies at low percents?

I think this video sums up what to do vs. Spacies at all percents:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H_x5P_7xzI

demodemo · Mar 11, 2009

oh ****, girls generation gee gee gee gee FAKSJ great, its in my head again

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