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Heartz♥

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See, this is where it pays to watch so many Saturday Morning Cartoons that the "Never give up" moral is drilled into your head. The first two proper sets I made didn't have mechanics, and while neither one exactly made top 50, I know I was proud of them. To me, it's more important that I feel like the character can work in Smash, and that the reader feels they work in Smash, more than any level of depth or complexity or anything. I want people to see themselves playing as this person/thing, and liking it.

Smash is not and never will be complicated - the key to its brilliance is its simplicity to get to grips with. Anyone who is deliberately complicated, even if the target of depth is reached, almost defies the order behind it. I'm not saying it's bad that people make complicated mechanics, of course not, but them being complicated doesn't make them good either - how they work in Smash is what should make them excel, not how the designer or viewer would want them to work.
Those are so freaking true facts. I think the main thing that take people hours of their leisure time is them trying to implement that special mechanic into the moves that they may involve in. I'm not saying you should take the easy route as far as making the set. Some people just like to be super different. But to go so far as to have mechanics that couldnt possibly fit in a real Smash, is pretty unnecassary, but that seems to be the key to have a popular moveset.

Most people might even skim through the movesets looking for that special mechanic, which I dont want, considering the time and effort I put on the entire thing. I am honestly trying my best not to have generic attacks, and that is all I really should be doing. I wont lie, it is pretty fun trying to do something new, but I dont want just THAT to be what my viewers are looking for.
 

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...Gah!

I told you all to IGNORE my rant! Not make a huge debate over it!!! No one listens to me. :p

Okay...first of all, mechanics are fine. Like Chris said, as long as you don't go overboard and the mechanic in questions fits relatively easily into Smash (like Lucario or PT), you're fine. Take my Fiona Belli set. The only special thing about her is the presence of Hewie, which gives her some cool unique attacks, as well as an extra bit of strategy. It's nothing complicated, but it's unique and fits well into smash.

Not to mention there are plenty of ways to make a good moveset without a gimmicky mechanic to back them up. *Cough Black Doom Cough*

I'll admit that Mia is going to have a special mechanic (her Djinn), but that's only because it's an integral part of her character, and it defines her from any other water mage. I made it as simple as I can and I don't expect it to majorly effect the way she plays. But my other sets won't have anything special. A truly good moveset maker can create a unique, simple mechanic that translates well into Smash without making your moveset overly-complicated.

And with the whole "Big 3" thing...just be mindful of the other contestants when voting. Try to think about the other MYMers and give them a chance.

I think we should end this debate now...it's making me uncomfortable and I think we're treading some dangerous waters.
 

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...Gah!

I told you all to IGNORE my rant! Not make a huge debate over it!!! No one listens to me. :p

Okay...first of all, mechanics are fine. Like Chris said, as long as you don't go overboard and the mechanic in questions fits relatively easily into Smash (like Lucario or PT), you're fine. Take my Fiona Belli set. The only special thing about her is the presence of Hewie, which gives her some cool unique attacks, as well as an extra bit of strategy. It's nothing complicated, but it's unique and fits well into smash.

Not to mention there are plenty of ways to make a good moveset without a gimmicky mechanic to back them up. *Cough Black Doom Cough*

I'll admit that Mia is going to have a special mechanic (her Djinn), but that's only because it's an integral part of her character, and it defines her from any other water mage. I made it as simple as I can and I don't expect it to majorly effect the way she plays. But my other sets won't have anything special. A truly good moveset maker can create a unique, simple mechanic that translates well into Smash without making your moveset overly-complicated.

And with the whole "Big 3" thing...just be mindful of the other contestants when voting. Try to think about the other MYMers and give them a chance.

I think we should end this debate now...it's making me uncomfortable and I think we're treading some dangerous waters.
...You're Mia has more than five Final Smashes >_>

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I fixed it.

AndThat may be true, but it's nothing complicated. Like I said, her mechanic is not overly-complex. I was talking about complicated stuff. I'm not imaginative enough to think of super[<->]out there stuff like Shellder's inability to move. :p
I do not think you wish to test this grammar Nazi. ♥
 

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...Okay... :ohwell:

*Is a Grammar Nazi too*

Anyway, Mia's almost done. I just have her two SSE bosses, trophies, and then the BBCode. She should be up tonight.
I'll be waiting. My first set should be done tomorrow night. My animated GIF maker is acting ******** again.
 

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You know what would be interesting? If movesets were submitted anonomously. Like, your username and stuff is disabled when you post in Make Your Move? I guess that's not reasonable, since it would involve re-coding of the boards... you could PM movesets to a lead reviewer that would be posted without usernames on the blog... just a thought.
 

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You know what would be interesting? If movesets were submitted anonomously. Like, your username and stuff is disabled when you post in Make Your Move? I guess that's not reasonable, since it would involve re-coding of the boards... you could PM movesets to a lead reviewer that would be posted without usernames on the blog... just a thought.
That would be cool actually, but then again, there are people that may have specific style to their moveset, and it may give it away.
 

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You know what would be interesting? If movesets were submitted anonomously. Like, your username and stuff is disabled when you post in Make Your Move? I guess that's not reasonable, since it would involve re-coding of the boards... you could PM movesets to a lead reviewer that would be posted without usernames on the blog... just a thought.
I'd feel pretty depressed if I made some amazing move set that just happened to be similar to the style of another MYMer, and then everyone thought it was that other person who made it instead of me.:ohwell:
 

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ZASALAMEL

"This is your end. I shall put you out of your misery."

***

*** BACKGROUND ***

Zasalamel is from the Soul Calibur series, making his first appearance in Soul Calibur 3. In this game, Zasalamel was the main character, being more heavily featured then even Nightmare or Siegfried. Zasalamel was the main antagonist, everyone encountering him at least twice and then fighting him as the final boss after he consumed Soul Edge and Soul Calibur.

Zasalamel is immortal, but considers this a curse rather then a benefit. All he seeks to do is to find something powerful enough to finish him off for good to find eternal rest. Zasalamel is perfectly fine with killing others to reach this goal, considering them lucky to be able to die.

*** Kafziel ***


Ah. . .Zasalamel's weapon of choice. He's had this death blade so long that he's even named the thing, referring to it as "Kafziel". It comes from the name Cassiel, an Angel of Death of Jewish lore appointed to take the lives of kings. In any case, the part Zasalamel kills the foe with is obviously the blade at the end of the long weapon. Why am I stating the obvious? Because while Zasalamel's blade is very long and disjointed, only the head of it actually does damage to anything. Hitting with the long rod that allows Zasalamel to reach out so far with the blade does nothing. This means that while Zasalamel can hit foes a ridiculous range away from him without projectiles, it also means that he's pretty screwed against foes who are right up against him in his face. Zasalamel will always want to keep his foe a good distance away from him, particularly against speedy characters such as Sonic or Pikachu. For Zasalamel's scythe attacks, the blade head is always the hitbox, and it is always disjointed.

*** STATS ***

Size: 8/10
Zasalamel is just as tall as Ganondorf. While his idle stance makes him seem a bit wider due to his blade head sticking out behind him, hitting the blade head won't count as hitting Zasalamel.

Weight: 8/10
Zasalamel is without a doubt one of the heavier characters due to his muscles and size, and that massive weapon weighs him down as well.

Walking Speed: 5/10
The walk is rather casual, but Zasalamel still isn't one to waste time.

Running Speed: 6.5/10
Pretty good for someone of Zasalamel's size.

Traction: 5/10
While Zasalamel is too mysterious to trip all that often, his size and his awkward weapon cause him to still manage to trip himself up sometimes.

Power: 6/10
Despite his large stature and massive weapon, Zasalamel isn't that amazingly powerful. While many of his attacks do average/above average knockback like a typical heavyweight, Zasalamel doesn't have the high knockback attacks that usually accompany these numerous above average/above average knockback attacks. KOing is a problem for Zasalamel.

Attack Speed: 6/10
To make up for Zasalamel's awkward trouble with KOs, he's above average in speed. This isn't anything amazing as Zasalamel still has the ocassional slightly laggy attack, but Zasalamel still has plenty of options for attacks that come out very quickly. Still, Zasalamel isn't an amazing damage racker, nor a good KOer. What DOES he have then?

Range: 9/10
Ah, so HERE is Zasalamel's big advantage. Zasalamel's blade reaches out to insane proportions, and he even has a projectile with infinite range like Falco's laser.

Priority: 9.5/10
With a long weapon comes disjointedness. This is the nature of the priority of nearly all of Zasalamel's attacks.

First Jump: 3/10
Zasalamel's height prevents him from gaining much ground.

Second Jump: 3/10
Despite using magic for this jump, it still doesn't take him very far at all.

Falling Speed: 7/10
Pretty bad. Typical heavyweight falling speed coupled with bad jumps and bad aerials gives Zasalamel a mediocre aerial game.

Recovery: 3.5/10
His recovery is a tether, coupled with bad jumps and fast falling speed. Horrible. The only thing he has going for him is the inability to be edgeguarded due to the nature of his tether.

Crouch: 4/10
Zasalamel doesn't get too much lower from his large height, making it rather useless, like Ganondorf's.

Crawl: No.
Hover: No.
Wall jump: No.
Wall cling: No.
Glide: No.

*** BASIC ACTIONS/ANIMATIONS***

Standard Pose:
Same as Soul Calibur. Zasalamel stands up right, his head facing the side, it being somewhat obscured from the camera by his hood. Zasalamel holds his blade diagonally with the handle end at the front and his blade behind him.

Idle Pose:
Zasalamel twirls his scythe about, bored.

Walking:
Zasalamel uses his scythe like a walking stick as he slowly comes forward.

Running:
Zasalamel picks up the pace a decent bit and rarely impales the handle end of hish scythe into the ground as a walking stick.

Dashing:
Zasalamel sprints, no longer using his scythe as a walking stick.

Crouching:
Basically the same as Ganondorf's, but Zasalamel holds his scythe at his side.

First Jump:
Zasalamel crouches down slightly before springing up.

Second Jump:
Zasalamel's body glows blue as he spins around briefly and rises up.

Shield:
Zasalamel holds his scythe in front of him in a defensive position as the standard bubble shield forms.

Sidestep:
Zasalamel literally sidesteps. Crazy, right?

Roll:
Zasalamel sidesteps into the background and takes a few paces while in the background, then comes out back onto the playing field. This is a simple means of dodging attacks in Soul Calibur.

Air Dodge:
Zasalamel puts his scythe in front of him vertically in a defensive position as he leans into the background.

Asleep:
Zasalamel impales the handle end of his scythe into the ground in front of him and leans forward on it, standing as he sleeps.

Dizzy:
Zasalamel's golden eye glows as he holds it in pain, staggering about.

***

*** MOVESET ***

*** SPECIALS ***

Neutral Special - Immortal Eye
Zasalamel's golden eye glows. It is said to contain his very soul. . .This has average start up lag with no ending lag. Once the actual move fires up, a burst of light occurs RIGHT IN FRONT of Zasalamel. This gives the move horrible range, a mere small character distance in front of Zasalamel. While this will go over short characters normally, you can angle the move downwards like Bowser's fire breath to hit them with it.

If you actually hit with the move, then the foe will be slowed down for 3 seconds like with the timer item. This obviously allows you to either set some stuff up with your other moves or get in an easy hit or two. However; if Zasalamel is hit during the starting lag of the attack, HE will be the victim of the attack, the spell backfiring due to Zasalmel not finishing his channeling.

This is an important defensive mechanism for Zasalamel, as it's one of the only move that can actually hit people directly in front of him. Still, once they're up there, the starting lag of this attack will prevent you from getting them out. You have to predict when they're going to come up to you and start up move early. If it goes off too early, it's not nearly as big of a deal, as there's no ending lag for the attack. This won't connect all that often, but it will give foes a harder time as they try to approach you.

Side Special - Loose Cog



Zasalamel opens a portal to his clock tower for above average starting lag, then out of it a gigantic cog the size of Bowser rolls out, the portal closing as soon as the cog comes out for brief ending lag. The gigantic cog is disjointed. Initially it rolls forward rather slowly and somewhat weak, Ganondorf's running speed with 10% damage and average knockback, but the longer it rolls the faster and stronger it becomes. After it's traveled the distance of half Final Destination, it will of doubled in power and speed. This can't really be used up close due to the starting lag and it not being worth said lag at close range anyway, but it's great at a distance. This encourages Zasalamel to keep the foe as far away as possible all the more.

Should the cog bump into a wall or a foe, it will burst into a bunch more smaller cogs. Most of these cogs will go into the background, but two cogs will actually stay on the battlefield as throwing items. Both cogs are the size of the larger and smaller wheels of Wario's broken bike, having the same properties as said wheels. At low percents you won't want to really use this, as you're essentially giving your foe free projectiles to send back at you. While this is too slow to really camp with, it out prioitizes all other projectiles, keeping enemies from forcing you to approach (Which would be a horrible idea, Zass has no reason to ever approach.).

Up Special - Mortal Fall
Zasalamel holds his scythe up above his head, only holding the very end of the long stick to make it reach up as high as possible. This makes the scythe reach up around double Zasalamel's height, providing for an excellent vertical tether recovery. . .But it only goes straight up, so that presents a problem. Couple this with average starting lag and this move is quite awkward to use for recovery.

If Zasalamel hits anyone with his blade head as he extends it upwards, including edge hoggers, he'll impale them on the blade and go straight down with them, generally for a suicide KO. This is worse then most suicide kills though, as Zasalamel doesn't lower his blade upon impaling someone on it, meaning that Zass will always die first, screwing him over if both players had only one stock left. Should Zasalamel land on the ground with the foe, he'll lower his scythe down and the game will act as if you grabbed the foe with your standard grab.

On the ground, Zasalamel will extend his scythe up in the same fashion, but will pull his scythe down instantly the moment he impales anyone on it and it will also count as a grab. This grounded version of the up B is much more practical then the aerial version, as it's disjointed and counts as a grab, making it excellent anti air. Zasalamel is far from an amazing aerial combatant, so rather then going up to fight aerial enemies, simply pull those mortals down to your level.

Down Special - Kafziel's Will
Zasalamel holds his scythe, Kafziel, out in front of him, then lets it go for it to levitate in place. Zasalamel extends out his arm and wiggles his fingers about as it glows blue, doing some sort of magic to control the scythe. There is average lag to begin controlling the scythe. You now play as Kafziel, able to do all of Zasalamel's moves that only involve his scythe while playing as it, besides your grab. Kafziel only has one jump and Zasalamel's walking speed.

To resume playing as Zasalamel, walk back into him while playing as the scythe. If Zasalamel is hit while channeling to control his weapon, the scythe will vanish and appear back in his hand. If the scythe takes 20 damage or falls off a ledge, it will shatter and Zasalamel won't get a new scythe for 20 seconds, leaving him unable to use his attacks involving his scythe (The vast majority of them).

The best way to make use of this move is gimping, as it's the only time when your foe will be unable to hit Zasalamel. Send your scythe out to gimp the foe while you stay on the stage in safety! If the scythe falls off the bottom of the screen, you'll still get a new one (Albeit with a good deal more ending lag), so you don't have to worry about it coming back to the stage. Still, Zasalamel's aerials aren't exactly prime gimping material, so Zasalamel is far from the best gimper, he can simply do it safely.

*** STANDARDS ***

Standard Attack - Handle Jab
Zasalamel simply swings the handle end of his weapon horizontally like his most attack in Soul Calibur. This has pathetic range and below average priority, but has nearly no lag whatsoever. This does mediocre knockback and a mere 5% damage. This jab exists solely as a defensive measure for Zasalamel, as it is one of his few methods of defending himself against a foe that gets into his face. Still, this will go right over short charcters like Pikachu due to Zasalamel's height, so you'll still want to keep foes at a distance if at all possible.

Dashing Attack - Immortal Flight
Zasalamel leaps into the air just barely above the ground as he runs, spinning in mid air twice while holding his scythe. Zasalamel's body and scythe is an average priority hitbox for this attack, doing 14% and above average upward knockback, like Ganon's dash attack. This has very little starting lag, but slight (Below average) ending lag. This attack also has a somewhat lengthy duration, an entire second. Zasalamel travels the distance of a Battlefield platform in this attack. This is very predictable and easily punishable, but is a decent potential KO move at higher percents out of Zasalamel's limited options. It can't be as carelessly uses as Ganon's dash, though. While this can hit foes as close to Zass as he desires, foes can easily get right up in the close range Zass is bad with if Zass whiffs this attack.

*** TILTS ***

Forward Tilt - Reeling in Death
This is a two part ftilt like Snake's. For the first hit, Zasalamel stabs his scythe down at the ground in front of him. The blade strikes down the distance of an entire Battlefield platform away from him. Being hit by this part of the attack does 10% and knocks the foe to the ground. This has average start up lag, but the range makes it fairly easy to throw out into a fight. This has brief ending lag if you choose to not use the next part of the combo, thankfully.

If you press A after finishing the first hit, Zasalamel will sweep his scythe back towards himself, bringing anybody he hit with the first part of the move right up against him with another 7% damage. This can hit foes up against Zasalamel due to the blade being a hitbox the whole time as he sweeps it up against him. This leaves the foe right in front of Zasalamel's face. . .Exactly where most of your moves can't hit them. You'll never want to use this part of the move against speedy characters, but against slow characters you could use this to combo by hitting them with a jab, it being faster then those of most slow characters.

Up Tilt - Rising Slash
Zasalamel leaps up, then slashes his scythe downwards in front of him. Zasalamel isn't holding the end of the handle of his scythe in this attack, so the blade head only reaches out half a Battlefield platform. Being hit by the blade head does 11% with average knockback. This has little start up or ending lag, but if you don't hit anyone with it Zasalamel's blade will be stuck in the ground at the end, increasing the ending lag to above average. You can use DI when Zasalamel briefly jumps up to go forwards or backwards, allowing you to both retreat and attack at the same time to create more of the distance between you and your foe you badly need.

Down Tilt - Classic Trap
Zasalamel holds the end of the handle of his scythe, then fully scoots the scythe out to make the head go out as far as possible. As long as you hold A, Zasalamel holds this pose. If a foe walks over the scythe head (Which reaches out the distance of a Battlefield platform from Zasalamel) while Zasalamel has it laying on the ground like this, Zasalamel will instantly let go of the end of the scythe's handle for the handle to spring up and smack the foe in the face, like when a character steps on the end of one of those gardening tools in a cartoon. Zasalamel's seen it all, he's more then famaliar with this. This does no knockback, merely making the foe fall backwards onto the ground after being hit, but does an excellent 18% damage. This has below average starting lag to get into the position, but to get out of it there is above average lag. This is best used for punishing your foes and should only be used when you know it's gonna hit, as it's very easy to punish.

*** SITUATIONALS ***

Ledge Attack - Sentenced to the Abyss
Zasalamel climbs up from the ledge quickly then does a sweeping slash towards the edge. This has slight starting lag and lasts a bit long for a ledge attack, half a second, but causes the foe to be given set knockback to be knocked off stage like Ganon's ledge attack along with 8%. The scythe sweep reaches out half a Battlefield platform away from Zasalamel.

Ledge Attack Over 100% - Timeless Struggle
Zasalamel slowly struggles up onto the ledge, but as he does so he rapidly stabs down the end of his scythe's handle down onto the ground in front of him. Three hits are done as Zasalamel climbs up, each doing mediocre knockback and 6%, the stabs down having tiny range right next to the edge and bad priority. This lasts three quarters of a second, making the duration a bit too uncomfortably long.

Rising Attack (Either Side) - Doubled Sided Weapon
Zasalamel gets up to his feet and does a quick slash in front of him, the blade of the scythe reaching out half a Battlefield platform in front of him and doing 8% with below average knockback. Zasalamel next butts the end of the handle of the scythe behind him, doing 6% and mediocre knockback but making the whole handle a hitbox, reaching out the same distance as the first part of the attack. This attack is quick and covers both side of Zasalamel, but if you're right in front of Zasalamel when he gets up you can easily punish this. This has no starting or ending lag but has a duration of half a second.

Tripped Attack - Shadow Rise
Zasalamel gets an annoyed expression, disgusted with how undignified he has become by tripping, giving very slight starting lag. Zasalamel then casts a quick spell, his hand glowing blue, which causes shadowy particles to appear under him and propel him up, him levitating in the air briefly. The shadow particles hits below Zasalamel and very slightly to either side of him, doing 8 multiple hits of 1% and flinching. This also has slight ending lag as Zasalamel falls to the ground, but it's not bad, and the duration of the attack is very short.

*** SMASHES ***

Forward Smash - Spinning Blade
Zasalamel turns his scythe horizontally, then starts spinning it about directly in front of him. Every third time he uses this move, Zasalamel says "Are you ready to die?!" like when he uses this move in Soul Calibur. This does 24-31 hits based off the charge, all doing 1% and flinching, the final hit doing average/above average knockback. The entire scythe spinning in front of Zass is disjointed in this attack.

This has very little starting or ending lag, but the duration of the move is a lengthy 2 seconds, meaning the foe can easily punish this by jumping over you to get behind you then smacking you, having more then enough time to do so. Still, the fact this comes out very fast and it actually hits right in front of you leaves this as one of your very limited defensive measure against people right up in your face. Still, this is rather easy to DI out of, so they could possibly only be hit by the first few hits then go behind you to punish. This is best used defensively or against walls.

In addition, this can also reflect projectiles. This is good if you're being massively camped against a foe, but a quick foe who can also camp can take advantage of the move's long duration to come up and punish you from behind.

Up Smash - Immortal Rise
Zasalamel lets go of his scythe, then extends out his arm and does motions with his fingers while said arm glows blue. This is the charging animation. As Zasalamel channels this magic, the scythe levitates up into the air as you charge the smash attack, able to go up to triple Zasalamel's height if you fully charge the attack. Upon releasing the charge, the scythe does a single slash that does 19% and above average knockback. the entire scythe being a disjointed hitbox. This is a good means of anti air, and while the actual scythe slash happens as soon as you release the charge, the scythe has to fall back down into Zasalamel's hand after it does the slash, meaning there's more ending lag the higher you make it go. Be careful when sending the scythe up high to chase people, as they could simply air dodge through it and come down to punish you with ease.

Down Smash - Raise Dead



A pile of bones and old clothes appear in front of Zasalamel as he turns to face the screen. Zasalamel extends out his arm and wiggles his fingers about as his arm glows blue to cast some sort of magic as he charges, various random parts of the mess of bones and clothes glowing blue as well as Zasalamel enchants them. Upon releasing the charge, the bones rise up to form a revenant and the clothes go up around the revenant. This has average start up lag. The revenant is average human size. This move does not instantly attack an enemy and works more like Snake's dsmash.

Once summoned, the revenant will stand in place, waiting for a target to come to it. Should anyone pass by the revanant, it will rather quickly do two slashes in succession with it's two blades. The first does flinching and 6% while the second does average knockback and 10%. These slashes have very bad ending lag. The Revenant will last for 20 seconds or until it's destroyed, shattering into a pile of bones. Most of the bones will fly into the background, but the skull remains as a weak throwing item like the wheels of Wario's bike. The Revenant has anywhere inbetween 15-35 stamina depending on the charge. Should Zasalamel try to form another Revenant while he already has one in play, the old one will instantly vanish.

If you leave your revenant to attack foes on your own, it's nearly useless, as people can destroy it or just as easily ignore it. How do you make use of your undead minion, then? By staying right up close to it. Have the revenant stay right in front of you to guard your vulnerable position while your scythe head reaches off far beyond it with your regulars attacks. This leaves you with no vulnerable points in your front, although it prevents you from leaving the revenant. Thankfully your attacks go through your revenant though, unlike Dedede and his minions, so you can make your foe come to you with your side B if your foe goes too far away without leaving your revenant's side.

*** AERIALS ***

Neutral Aerial - Meditate
Zasalamel turns to face the screen as his entire body glows blue. Zasalamel closes his normal eye and puts up his arms in a meditation pose, then meditates in midair for as long as you hold A (Maximum of 3 seconds). If you stay in the air for the full 3 seconds, Zasalamel's meditation will turn into a soul charge and the glowing aura around him will turn to green. Zasalamel goes into helpless after performing this attack, but has very little actual starting/ending lag.

If you do pull off the soul charge, the next attack you perform will do 2% more damage and more importantly have the ability to ignore shields, going right through them. This is only the very next attack though, and if you're hit the effect is lost.

If you have a revenant summoned, you can move it about with the control stick (It has Mario's running speed) while in this meditation pose. This allows you to multitask and is an easier way to set a revenant up in a new location then summoning a new one. The revenant must be standing still before it will do it's slashes at anyone who comes by.

Forward Aerial - Kafziel's Flight
Zasalamel holds the very end of the handle of his scythe with both hands and puts it over his shoulder as if it were a baseball bat for above average starting lag, then flings his scythe forwards. This will not be interrupted if Zasalamel lands on the ground while performing it. The scythe falls at Wario's floaty falling speed while going forward at Mario's running speed. Contact with the disjointed scythe does 14% and above average knockback. After traveling the distance of half Battlefield, the scythe will stop spinning and will start simply falling down to the ground like a rock.

After it falls to the ground, you can touch it to pick it up again, you unable to use any of your scythe based attacks until you do. If it falls off the edge though, you'll have to wait 20 seconds before a new will respawn in your hands, leaving you insanely vulneable. However; you can use your down special to control your scythe after you've thrown it, and if the scythe falls off the bottom of the screen while you're controlling it it respawns back in your hands instantly.

This is far too laggy to be used in most situations, but can potentially be used for gimping. Still, if you don't hit your mark with this attack, you're going to be punished either way. If you don't use down B, your arsenal is insanely limited for 20 seconds, and if you do use your down B then you run the risk of the foe getting back to the stage before your scythe respawns and punishing you with a big attack. Only use this when you know it will hit.

Back Aerial - Handle Barrier
Zasalamel holds the end of the handle of his scythe with both hands, then sticks it out directly horizontally behind him. The blade of the scythe is facing the background, meaning only the long handle of the move actually effects gameplay. This has nearly non existant starting or ending lag, but Zasalamel holds the scythe out in this position for an entire second, making it punishable none the less. The only hitbox on the move is when Zasalamel first jabs out the scythe, the opposite end of the handle being a weak low priority hitbox doing 8% and below average knockback.

What is the point of this horrendous move? While Zasalamel is holding his scythe out behind him, it's actually solid. It can't be jumped through and is treated like a platform. This means you can hold it out above someone to prevent them from going up to gimp them, or you could use it as a platform to help an ally to recover in a team battle. Due to how long this lasts this is very impractical to use yourself and should only be used when controlling Kafziel with your down special, as Zasalamel will oftentimes fall too far down during the second duration of this attack recover if he tries to gimp anyone personally.

Down Aerial - X Marks the Spot
Zasalamel slashes his scythe downwards diagonally with above average starting lag, then does the same motion but from an opposit diagonal angle. The second scythe slash follows the first up literally instantly, so the overall hitbox is essentially a disjointed X the size of Bowser below Zasalamel. Two slash marks in the shape of an X will appear where Zasalamel slashes for more dramatic effect. This is too laggy to use properly for the most part, and it doesn't even spike foes, simply doing 16% and above average knockback. This is among the laggiest aerials out there, and when coupled with Zasalamel's falling speed overall can rarely be used.

However, unlike most laggy aerials of this variety, this doesn't have horrible landing lag. Zasalamel will continue this move as if nothing happened if he lands on the ground before it finishes, but instead slashes an X into the ground. The hitbox is still present, but the range is only very small to either side of Zasalamel along with having it's priority massively lowered. However; the X that Zasalamel slashes into the grounded will stay. . .What use is it? Check out the uair.

Up Aerial - Curse of Reincarnation
Zasalamel lets go of his scythe for a brief moment, it glowing blue and levitating alongside him, then gets on his back in midair and quickly claps like Wario's uair, a shadow ball appearing between Zasalamel's palms for the hitbox. This has below average starting and ending lag for Zasalamel to put down and pick back up his scythe, but otherwise has the very similiar properties to Wario's uair, the most notable exception being lowered knockback (Damage stays the same, though). The shadow ball is rather small, keeping the range of this move small like Wario's uair. This is probably Zasalamel's best aerial, but Zasalamel's falling speed and the fact that there is both beginning lag and ending lag for the move prevents this from giving Zasalamel a remotely effective air game.

Anyway, if you have drawn an X in the ground with Zasalamel's dair, then the move is a good deal more complicated. Should you use the uair with an X created, then when you use the uair it will glow, and anyone within the radius of Bowser in it for a brief moment will get hit by the attack. This causes the X to vanish, it only being able to be used once.

Anybody hit by this attack will be cursed with Zasalamel's endless reincarnation. The next time they get KOd. . .They won't lose a stock! Muahahahahahahahah! How sinister! . . .Wait, what? You go through all this trouble to have to KILL THEM AGAIN?!?

Well, that's obviously not all it does. When the foe respawns on the platform, they'll of reincarnated as a younger version of themselves. This doesn't visually effect many characters, simply making Mario and Snake lose facial hair, for example. The actual effect on the battle is making the foe 30% lighter. This is best used on characters who are already horribly light. The characters Zasalamel hates most. This also serves as a good solution to Zasalamel's general problem of having a hard time KOing. This effect will last for the next 3 stocks on the enemy before they'll go back to their normal state. In a 3 stock match this would only be worth using on the very first stock, so try to use it as soon as you can if you intend on using it.

*** THROWS ***

Grab - Death's Embrace
Zasalamel reaches out with his scythe slowly, then pulls it up against himself swiftly, but lightly. The blade reaches out two thirds the distance of a Battlefield platform out, and anybody who gets swept in by it as Zasalamel pulls it back against himself will be grabbed. Once the foe is up against Zass, he holds them with one arm. This is rather laggy for a grab, but not as bad as the likes of Samus or Link.

Pummel - Head Lock
Zasalamel moves his arm holding the foe up around the victim's neck and squeezes hard. This does 4% but is very laggy for a pummel. Not horrendous, but it's still slower then even Bowser's.

Forward Throw - Blade Wheel
Zasalamel impales the foe on his scythe for 5%, then rapidly starts spinning around with the foe stuck on the scythe. After going very fast to form a wheel like graphic, the foe gets flung off the scythe forward with excellet knockback for a throw and another 6% damage. This is very long for a throw and leaves Zasalamel dizzy at the end due to having spun around so fast, but is the best KO option Zasalamel has. NEVER use this in a FFA, and in 1v1 only use this at high percents when you can recover from the dizzy state before your foe can punish you.

Back Throw - Kingu the Sly Lord
Zasalamel throws the victim to the ground for 5% damage, then impales his scythe blade into them for another 5%, saying "May you sleeep. . .". He then swings his scythe around to the opposite side he was facing, swinging it over his head before he does so. Once he releases the foe, they go flying off the scythe with good knockback for a throw and a final 4% damage. If you press A while Zasalamel is swinging the scythe to get it behind him, the foe will go flying off the scythe early in that direction. This is safer to use then the fthrow and you can throw the foe in any direction you please, but the actual knockback is less then the fthrow's. Whenever Zasalamel releases the foe, he finishes his sentence by shouting out "for eternity!". This lasts longer then most throws, be careful when using it in a FFA.

Up Throw - Carcass Hoist
Zasalamel impales the foe on his scythe head for 5%, then hoists his scythe up into the air. He then does a flinging motion with the scythe, sending them flying off the scythe for another 5% and below average (Even for a throw) upward knockback and above average hitstun. This throw can't compete with Zasalamel's others on it's own, but the thing is this throw can be used to chain grab. Use your up special to follow up the above average hitstun on the move to grab them right back out of throw and throw them up again. This works at around 0-40% and greatly helps Zasalamel in racking damage.

Down Throw - Marduk the Tempest
Zasalamel throws the foe to the ground for 4%, hops up on their back for another 4%. He reaches his hand down to lift the victim's head up, then puts his scythe down in front of the victim's face and smacks their head down into it. Zasalamel holds the foe's head down in the scythe, them taking 5 hits of 1% per second while in it, having to button mash to get out. This is very easy to escape, slightly easier then getting out of a grab. At early percents they'll get out nearly instantly, but at higher percents when it's harder to escape this can potentially rack up to 20% (After which it will end automatically). This isn't useful for damage racking at most times, but once they already have 60% or so, it's good for getting that last bit of damage you need to easily KO them. This lasts far too long to use in a FFA.

*** FINAL SMASH - HELLISH ABYSS ***



Zasalamel's blade turns into Irkalla, the blade used by him when he's in the form of Abyss. Zasalamel then curls up and starts spinning around like the first part of Ganondorf's up taunt, but much faster, and Irkalla levitates around him. A flash occurs over him, then he transforms and says "You who would stand against me. . .Prepare to die.". Abyss is still vulnerable in this transformation final smash, and it lasts 15 seconds. All of Abyss' scythe attacks have fire on them and go through shields with 2% more damage as if he used soul charge with his nair, and more importantly he has a new broken set of specials.

Neutral Special - Timestopper
Abyss' immortal golden eye glows. It is said to contain his very soul. . . Anyway, once Abyss' eye glows and you hold down B, the game starts "rewinding", everything happening in reverse as to what it did before. You can rewind up to 5 seconds depending on how long you hold B. However, you can't use this to simply rewind to avoid being hit, as the rewind will be interrupted if you get hit and you'll just take the damage and knockback from from the same attack again, in addition to what you already have. EVERYTHING rewinds. If you rewind a foe's recovery, they'll gain back their second jump and up B and simply recover again. This means you have to predict when you're going to be open, then rewind. You can't effectively rewind something after it's already happened, you have to rewind it to prevent it from happening in the first place.

This thankfully has nearly no start up lag, giving you plenty of lee way in rewinding just before the foe is about to hit you or get up too close. You can also prevent punishments that are right around the corner. Mash B like a madman when you know you're about to be hit in hopes of rewinding before the foe actually punishes you, as once you've been hit you can't prevent it.

There's no limit to how much you can rewind, and it will also rewind the final smash timer along with it, meaning this final smash has the potential to last much longer then it already does. To keep it from lasting forever though, the maximum you can hold the timer out for is 30 seconds, double the length of the final smash by default.

Side Special - Shadow Ball
Abyss starts charging up a shadow ball in his hand, bending over. He'll charge for as long as you hold B, and it only takes half as long to charge as Mewtwo's neutral special, yet is 1.5X larger and more powerful at max charge, as well as breaking through shields. It travels at the speed of Captain Falcon's running speed at max charge and never vanishes no matter how far it goes. The foe will HAVE to come up close to you or they'll be decimated by your long range options.

Up Special - The Past is the Present
Abyss vanishes in a patch of flames, then reappears where he was 5 seconds ago. Aside from the location of where he appears, this works just like Zelda' up special, there being flames to burn the foe for the same damage/knockback where he appears. In addition, the same flames will also appear when Abyss starts the teleporting. This greatly buffs up Abyss' recovery.

Down Special - Existence is Over
Abyss shouts out “It’s over!” as he leans back and does some sort of psychic like magic on you. This causes you to flinch no matter where you are (Assuming you're within half the length of Battlefield of Abyss) and take rapid hits, and this eats up shields alive. You take 50 hits over two seconds, each for 1% damage and flinching. To dodge the whole thing, you must shield until your shield’s about to break, then do a roll/sidestep, as if you just roll/sidestep then you won’t dodge the whole duration of the attack, and the only part that really matters is the final hit that kills you. Your character lets out a hurt noise for each and every one of the 50 hits, so this sounds very brutal, just like in Soul Calibur. This thankfully has predictable start up lag and punishable ending lag, but still. . .A chance to do 50%? Good lord.

Up Taunt - Hellish Soul
Abyss faces the camera and holds his scythe in front of himself, saying "Let the power of hellfire...sink into your soul.".

Side Taunt - Definition of Fear
Abyss extends out his hand not holding his scythe and says "Allow me to teach you the meaning of true fear.".

Down Taunt - Fragile Existence
Abyss chuckles, then says "This is absurd. I shall break you like a twig.".

*** OVERALL PLAYSTYLE***
The most basic idea of using Zasalamel is to fight at a range. While it is very automatic to constantly run up to a foe with nearly every character, Zasalamel requires a good deal more thought to use then that. Why so? Because Zasalamel has no reason whatsoever to ever approach the enemy. The further the distance between him and his enemy, the better.

So what do you do if you're not approaching? You want to try to predict your enemy's approaches and foil them with your long range moves. Zasalamel's amazing range allows him to hit foes before they get anywhere near close enough to hit him. This is by far Zasalamel's largest advantage.

Alright, now you've knocked the foe off the stage. What now? While you could try to gimp them, you have far better options. Setting up a skeleton to defend you should be your highest priority, and you'll want to skip by it for as long as you can. With your skeleton by your side you'll want to stay in that positon for the majority of the time, as it will cover up your most vulneable close range area from one side. Setting up a dtilt with a skeleton covering the distance between the scythe head and you is a fine defensive strategy. If you still have more time, setting up an X on the ground with your dair is also favorable if your foe is a light one and you're on the first stock. Another option would be to use your nair to charge up for an unblockable attack and to reposition your skeleton.

Alright, you're more then content when your foe is knocked off the stage. Everything you could possibly want set up is ready. Now you have time to gimp the foe! Zasalamel has no reason to ever go out personally to gimp his enemies when he can simply have his scythe do it with his down special, so go ahead and send it out, possibly with an fair if you're feeling daring, although the most practicle way to gimp would most probably be to use have the scythe use your bair.

Another key factor of Zasalamel is that he wants to keep his feet firmly planted on the ground for the most part, and generally will only use the more crazy properties of his aerials, particularly the dair/uair combo. When up in the air close against a foe, Zasalamel has essentially no options besides his uair, so you'll want to avoid that. Instead of going up in the air to combat an aerial foe, simply grab them out of the air with your up special or hit them with a nice usmash. The only time Zasalamel should actually be trying to hit foes up close with aerials should be when he's having his scythe do it.

Zasalamel is a decent damage racker, particularly with his excellent throw game. You'll want to try to grab a foe early on to chain grab them with uthrow to up special to get an easy 40%, and even after that Zasalamel's other throws are still fine damage racking options, most notably his dthrow. However; Zasalamel does have a problem with KOing. While Zasalamel has plenty of moves with average/above average knockback, they don't go over the line that really makes them kill moves. Not a single one. Against slower, heavier foes your best bet would probably be attempting to gimping them at earlier percentages, but against quick light ones who could easily get around your gimping game you'll want to hit them with a uair to make them lighter on your first stock. This will allow you to KO them as early as a standard power character due to their newfound lightweight status.

***​

*** EXTRAS ***​

*** Extra Animations ***​

Up Taunt - Last man on earth
Zasalamel holds his scythe above his head with both hands and says "There is no need for two of us on this earth!".

Side Taunt - Soul Requiem
Zasalamel beckons the foe to come to him with one hand, saying "Come, I shall hold a requiem for your soul.".

Down Taunt - Frail Mortals
Zasalamel folds his arms as his scythe levitates next to him, laughing "Ha ha ha... so frail.".

Entrance - Eager for Death
Zasalamel comes in from a portal like Ganondorf, but far more formally and casually then Ganondorf. He mumbles under his breath "Let's finish this quickly.", it barely being audible.

Win Pose 1 - Wasted Time
Zasalamel impales the end of his scythe handle into the ground, turning to face away from the camera, and says "This was a complete waste of time.".

Win Pose 2 - Mortal Limitations
Zasalamel turns to face the losers and does a sweeping motion with his arm to get their attention, saying "Do you now understand your limitations?".

Win Pose 3 - Immortal Superiority
Zasalamel's scythe levitates next to him as Zasalamel has his arms folded. Zasalamel says "What is it? Did you actually believe that we were equal?" then starts laughing.

Loss Pose - Seeking Death
Zasalamel looks horribly uninterested, rolling his normal eye and clapping as his scythe levitates next to him. Zasalamel ocasionally stops clapping to drum his fingers on his scythe next to him impatiently.

Wiimote Noise
"This is your end. I shall put you out of your misery."

ALTERNATE COSTUMES AND COLORS

Default Alternate Colors:
-Default
-Blood red robes (Red team)
-Dark green robes (Green team)
-Dark blue robes (Blue team)
-Black robes
-Golden robes, white skin

Zasalamel in Black


Zasalamel's attire from his Soul Calibur 4 ending after still being cursed with reincarnation, living on into modern times.

Alternate Colors:
-Default
-Red suit and tie (Red team)
-Blue suit, vest, and tie (Blue team)
-Dark green suit, vest, and tie, light green shirt (Green team)
-Purple suit, green vest, blue shirt, red tie
-Orange suit and tie, white skin

*** KIRBY HAT ***​

Kirby gains Zasalamel's white hood and his golden eye. Kirby can use Zasalamel's neutral special, Immortal Eye, in the exact same manner as Zasalamel. If you give Kirby a brown alt color and have him float in front of Zasalamel's head, Zasalamel will look very much like a bobble head figure.

*** SNAKE CODEC CONVERSATION ***​

Push Select

Snake: So just who is this guy? He looks like he's come right out of medieval times from a tale of souls and swords. . .
Mei Ling: Well. . .From what I've been researching, that would be because he IS right out of medieval times from a tale of souls and swords. . .
Snake: What's that suppossed to mean?!?
Mei Ling: Zasalamel has lived for over 400 years through a reincarnation spell. He's seen the rise and fall of civilizations first hand. . .He's got to be incredibly experienced.
Snake: Interesting, but no mastery of a mere scythe can hope to match modern technology.
Mei Ling: It's not just the scythe, Snake. How do you think he gained the reincarnation in the first place? He's incredibly skilled in magic and has control over the flow of time. He'll go back in time ever so slightly to know what you'll do before you do.
Snake: We'll just see, won't we? I'm not exactly inexperienced myself. . .

-End Transmission-

*** ASSIST TROPHY - TIRA ***​



Tira emerges from the assist trophy in a eerily happy mood, saying "I can't wait to see you in pieces!" as she plays with her blade as if it were a normal hula hoop. After playing around, Tira starts running after foes, having Captain Falcon's running speed and two average jumps. She can do a simple sliding kick dashing attack for 8% with below average knockback and a very quick slash from her blade that does 15% and average knockback. Tira is rather weak in this form, and unlike most assist trophies, is actully vulnerable, having 50 stamina. Tira won't get killed off on her own for a lengthy 60 seconds, so you'd be best off in finishing her yourself. However; after taking 25 damage, her bipolarity disorder kicks in, making her go from extremely happy to extremely pissed. Her attacks are even faster (Literally no lag AT ALL) in this state, and she gains the ability go grab foes (Working like a playable character's grab) by trapping them inside her blade weapon for you to finish them off.

*** STAGE - CLOCK TOWER ***​



Zasalamel's stage. It is a stone clock tower stated to be located at the corner of a quiet temple outside the edge of an unnamed town. The stage is placed on the top tier, with the glass clock and the inside mechanism serving as background. It is said Zasalamel visits this place ever since it was constructed since it's the only place which reminds him of the passage of time, having lost his sense of time over the course of his countless lives. He also uses the stage in the Tales of Souls mode as setup to trap those searching Soul Edge, attempting to strike them first with a falling gear before deciding to fight the player.

In Smash Bros, the stage looks the same as it did in Soul Calibur 3 for the most part, you fighting on the same spinning top tier gear of the clock tower. The spinning would realistically push you into the background, but due to the 2D nature of Smash Bros. this has no effect. However, there are several rats going about on the playing field area of the old abandoned clock tower.

Every once in a while, one of the rats will briefly come out from the background to cross the stage, and they pass a player they will trip them. There are only 3 rats on the stage, and they can be attacked and killed in a single hith when they pass, the trip having tiny priority.

More rarely one of the giant cogs from Zasalamel's side special (No portal appears) will become unattached from the background and roll across the stage. The cog functions just like the one in his side special. This cannot be prevented, but you'll see it slowly coming loose before it falls down onto the stage for good warning.

Stage Music:
-Time Marches On (Soul Calibur 3 Clock Tower Theme)
-Bravely Folk Song (Soul Blade Cervantes Theme)
-No Regrets (Soul Calibur 3 Pirate Raid Theme)
-Eternal Struggle (Soul Calibur 2 Pirate Alcove Theme)
-Sail Over the Storm (Soul Calibur 3 Indian Port Theme)
-Ordinary Pain (Soul Calibur 2 Money Pit - Top Tier Theme)
-Blind Loyalty (Soul Calibur 3 Secret Money Pit Theme)
-Chasing Downstream (Soul Calibur Water Labyrinth Theme)
-Worth Dying For (Soul Calibur City of Water Theme)
-Born from Chaos (Soul Calibur Theme of Astaroth and Lizardman)
-Raise thy Sword (Soul Calibur 2 Ostrheinsburg Chapel Theme)
-Forsaken Sanctuary (Soul Calibur 3 Forsaken Sanctuary Theme)
 

Tanookie

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*sends Sundance a leather harness on Dragon Apprec
*Whistles*

See, guys? THIS is what I mean by a set with no special mechanic that STILL rocks. Definitely your best moveset so far, Warlord, and it's my favorite of yours as well. It's so insanely true to character I can't stand it. I've always wanted to make an Amy moveset (I'm a lolita freak, shaddup), and this is inspiring me to do so. I think you made a typo, though, with the Kirby Hat. You claim he gains "Flow of Time" as his Neutral Special, but Z's neutral special is clearly listed as "Immortal Eye."

My only other quip is that the FS is amazingly broken. Like, insanely broken, even for a Final Smash. Otherwise, it's all crazy good. Excellent work.
 

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I'd feel pretty depressed if I made some amazing move set that just happened to be similar to the style of another MYMer, and then everyone thought it was that other person who made it instead of me.:ohwell:
Not knowing is half the fun, eh?

I am pretty sure there are lots of movesets that were posted that didn't have a special mechanic, we were just on the topic of those that did. As great as this moveset is, it still doesn't prove anything for the top movesets that did have mechanics.
 

Wizzerd

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Alright, it was just me thinking out loud. And I should post my next moveset in the next three days. I hope you find it tasty- I mean good.
Is that a hint? :O
*starts reading Zalasamel*
 

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Waluigi's comments being 80% of them only saying "the crotch chop taunt is awesome" pretty much broke me down, seeing how I put so much work and dedication into his set.
Dude, I was kidding about the crotch tap thing.

Some random guy in chat only mentioning the "Big 3" (I think it was Condog) when talking about good set maker broke me down even more.
Well, considering I just joined MYM, it would be only natural for me to recognise the 'Big 3', since they were the ones that won the last one, and had the majority in the top 6. I wasnt here for the voting, only the results, and my assumptions of skill were based of those results.
 

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Oh my, Waluigi is awesome. I especially love the stage and the Up Taunt.
Waluigi....

EPIC WI-......

Great job on the set, Spade. I particularly liked the inventive Up Smash, the relative balance of what, in Mario Kart Wii, is the definition of broken, and the epic Up Taunt the personality of the set.
You werent kidding, Spadefox. That is so great. And that crotch chop was freaking hilarious in the game.
Waluigi is pure awesome. Of particular note, I love his item-styled attacks, up taunt, and the, "You want the ball?" pose.
@waluigi: The BAir does not suck. in fact, waluigi is quite an awesome set with some really fun moves. & must I even mention the up taunt? I'm definitely voting for th- *is shot*
Awesome set Spade, I liked that up taunt and if he were in brawl would cause some imaginative snapshots. *shudders at thought*
Yay for Waluigi! It was great Spade, if a bit random; then again, that's why he's so great, I guess. I looooooooooove his Up Taunt, by the way. All of your extras were pretty much the best I've seen in a long while.

...No, I won't comment on the moves; you've gotten enough of that, I presume. I just felt like talking abou the exras, mostly because they're (usually) my favorite part of the moveset; if they're good, they always leave a good taste in my mouth.
Not you, Condog. It was not you...
 

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Wizzerd, that would've been a great idea if there wasn't what HR said. :(

I must agree with Tanookie, and all the others, a special mechanic can be good, as long as it fits Smash, ven if it's the most complicated thing you ever read, even harder than trying to read MW's Zasalamel moveset, your head upside-down, reading the moveset from the end to the start. As long as it could be in Smash, it's okay. But still, a moveset like Zasalamel is incredibely awesome, even without a mechanic.

Seriously Spade and K. Rool, I don't understand why when we already did half of the contest, it's okay to say for example" : This is awesome! + 1 vote! " but it's not okay to say it now, what's the matter. I can still understand the fact that contest is not finished and there's plenty other movesets coming but still, if we think it's worth a vote, we think it, and that is all.

Kibble, SSH : U is awesome! Your best work yet in my opinion. Same for you MW, with Zasalamel.

Birdon should be ready this weekend. But, one thing that I don't like about the moveset and that I should warn you of is : The presentation is ugly.

Complete Lurker post is complete.
 

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Spadefox, I'm sorry. For what it's worth, Waluigi is one of my favorite movesets so far, as it captured Waluigi's personality and had many unique attacks. So... I apologize.
 

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Seriously Spade and K. Rool, I don't understand why when we already did half of the contest, it's okay to say for example" : This is awesome! + 1 vote! " but it's not okay to say it now, what's the matter. I can still understand the fact that contest is not finished and there's plenty other movesets coming but still, if we think it's worth a vote, we think it, and that is all.
We had a little debate during MYM 4 about that very topic, and I can't be bothered going into it again.

Basically, try to avoid writing that.

I'll read Zasalamel tomorrow- I've been looking forward to him for a while.
 

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I like how something like Gluttony managed to get more reception that Zasalamel...

It's the best entry so far. Even if I did like Waluigi, it would beat that. Everything about Zass is awesome. The chaingrab, the new neutral special (glad you moved the old one to the final smash)... everything.

You guys need to spend less time bickering about who liked Waluigi's up taunt more than the actual set or whatever, and more time complimenting this.
 

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Zass was win. I'll give him a fuller read later without a doubt. Although, just out of curiosity, is that one of the movesets you're pressing to be your top contender, MW?
 

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By the way, Spadefox, I've only mentioned the taunt because it was one of the things that made me rofl when playing Strikers. Take note that I already stated that the moveset as a whole was great.

@SkylerOcon: I seriously do not see where people are arguing about who liked a taunt better...
 

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Seriously Spade and K. Rool, I don't understand why when we already did half of the contest, it's okay to say for example" : This is awesome! + 1 vote! " but it's not okay to say it now, what's the matter. I can still understand the fact that contest is not finished and there's plenty other movesets coming but still, if we think it's worth a vote, we think it, and that is all.
This was the reason why the Top 6 was made exclusively out of KRool, Kibble and MasterWarlord. That's why I say that.
I never was fond of the "OMG SO AWESOME +1 VOTE"-comments, and even when I adressed the matter when the MYM4 Top 50 were posted, it still goes on after only like 30 movesets have been posted. The contest is going for 1 WEEK. That's 7 days. In at least 3 months, 1 week means NOTHING. Now that we see the current works, the movesets following up will be their level or even better. It's dumb to say already in the first few sets "ZOMG SO AWESOME THIS WILL BE TOP 10 FOR SURE!". I hope you understand what I mean now.
Maybe I should go back to the MYM4 thread and find the one who started that whole +1-vote fad and strangle him a little.

@Zasalamel:
I haven't fully read him yet, but from what I've read so far, it was pretty dang awesome. I like how you used the scythe so far. As said, I'm not very far in as it's past 2:30 AM here, but I will comment more wordy on it as soon as I am done reading after getting some sleep.
 

Heartz♥

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Perhpas it would be wise for us to make a rule that states if you must comment on one's moveset, it has to be reasonable , constructive, etc or it is spam. Because any old noobish troll can come in here and say "Hey that is fakkin' awesome!11!1!!! NarutoXSasuke 4eva!!111!"
 

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To put my two cents in on the mechanics, I've never been that huge a fan of them. My only movesets that have used them so far are J2 and Gluttony, ignoring MYM 3.

. . .And Heartz, if you consider Lust's side special a "mechanic". . .Then essentially anything in MYM is too complicated for you. It's not all that fancy, really. Just a different amount of times it can be used on everyone. The only real thing that draws people to it is the list of movesets on it.

*Whistles*

See, guys? THIS is what I mean by a set with no special mechanic that STILL rocks. Definitely your best moveset so far, Warlord, and it's my favorite of yours as well. It's so insanely true to character I can't stand it. I've always wanted to make an Amy moveset (I'm a lolita freak, shaddup), and this is inspiring me to do so. I think you made a typo, though, with the Kirby Hat. You claim he gains "Flow of Time" as his Neutral Special, but Z's neutral special is clearly listed as "Immortal Eye."

My only other quip is that the FS is amazingly broken. Like, insanely broken, even for a Final Smash. Otherwise, it's all crazy good. Excellent work.
The goal with Zasalamel was to actually define his playstyle and make him flow rather then having all his individual moves really complicated and crazy. From what reception I've gotten and how I personally feel about the set, it seems it was the right direction. :bee:

Fixed the error on the Kirby hat. Flow of Time was originally the neutral special name, but it was changed to go with the title of my SM which stars him. I toned down the amount of time on the final smash upon your request, but not by too much. You've gotta keep in mind Abyss is still perfectly vulnerable to attacks.

As great as this moveset is, it still doesn't prove anything for the top movesets that did have mechanics.
Joker was 2nd in MYM 4 with no mechanic. Good day, madam.

*starts reading Zalasamel*
*Starts waiting for commentary*

Not you, Condog. It was not you...
I LOVED Waluigi and hated his up taunt. That is all.

even harder than trying to read MW's Zasalamel moveset
Zasalamel isn't that long or detailed and doesn't have that many extras, which somehow prevent people here from reading the actual moveset.

But still, a moveset like Zasalamel is incredibely awesome, even without a mechanic.
Same for you MW, with Zasalamel.
That's what I was aiming for.:p

I'll read Zasalamel tomorrow- I've been looking forward to him for a while.
I'll be looking forward to your reaction to him.:)

I like how something like Gluttony managed to get more reception that Zasalamel...
I know, right?

It's the best entry so far. Even if I did like Waluigi, it would beat that. Everything about Zass is awesome. The chaingrab, the new neutral special (glad you moved the old one to the final smash)... everything.

You guys need to spend less time bickering about who liked Waluigi's up taunt more than the actual set or whatever, and more time complimenting this.
This guy has a red name. Listen to him!

That was your best moveset yet, Warlord. The Down and Up Aerials were absolutely genious.
Heh. Glad you liked him! The dair and uair was one of the highlights of the set for me. Would you believe the uair was originally even crazier?

Zass was win. I'll give him a fuller read later without a doubt. Although, just out of curiosity, is that one of the movesets you're pressing to be your top contender, MW?
Please do. Your suspisicions are 100% correct, BKupa.
 

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Maybe it would be wiser for us to make a rule that states if you must comment on one's moveset, it has to be reasonable , constructive, etc or it is spam. Because any old noobish troll can come in here and say "Hey that is fakkin' awesome!11!1!!! NarutoXSasuke 4eva!!111!"
You have a point there. This is why I've been trying to give better commentary in MYM5, so the author of the set knows that I truly read it.
 

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@MasterWarLord: Touche, but take note I'm a noob that just joined. Good day to you, peasant.
♥

And I was more talking about the whole "reaction" thing with Lust's Side Special, not necessarily a mechanic. There has never been a move in Smash that was entirely different against certain characters, especially not of a certain sex. Naturally, a move against a male is the same against a female. This is Super Smash BROTHERS, gender has no effect here.

And if you think I am attacking your movesets, you are wrong. So put an end to any distaste you may have for my comments. And no, I am not arguing. Just a little input.
 

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*Starts waiting for commentary*
All right then. I really liked Zalasamel. I love how all of your attacks were original, even if nearly all of them used a scythe. I would have had generic slashes for each attack, but you thought of something original for everything. I'm thinking that he could be very broken, though. My favorite moveset of yours so far and perhaps one of the best in the thread so far. I would say I'm voting for it if that wasn't so taboo this early in the thread.
 

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It would be awesome to see Zass place high, especially with the large role he seems to be getting in your SM, MW.

Your comment about how a single weapon that can easily be made generic can have so many unique and original properties kind of made me happy. I can see that coming into great use in my next moveset.
 

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@Wizzerd: Well, by saying that, you're essentially saying what you're saying you won't say because people don't want you to say it. So it might have been easier to say what you would have said instead of saying what you did say just to avoid saying what people didn't want you to say.

Also... I'm lazy. Really, really lazy. I have Spring Break coming up, though, so if I can overcome my laziness, a couple things might happen:
1) I might go actually read the movesets that have been posted.
2) I might actually work on/finish a moveset (though I might be tabling Jenna for now)


I believe this is my first post in MYM5. I think some confetti and a pinata are in order.
 

Baloo

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Wow, Zass is pretty good.

No, let me rephrase that. Best so far? Up and Down Aerials are awesome, I love the way you combined them.

So, in other words, lolz this set is awesome its gonna win teh contest!1!!!!111 NarutoXSasuke4eva!!1!11!!!1
 

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Wow I loved Zasalamel. win. I think thats how to spell it. o.0 Any way Up air. I loved how it was simplistic yet soo good. I might take some inspiration for my marluxia set. ... It'll be much better than PPL's. (sorry good kind sir) Hey everyone hows my button looking
 

Heartz♥

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Wow, Zass is pretty good.

No, let me rephrase that. Best so far? Up and Down Aerials are awesome, I love the way you combined them.

So, in other words, lolz this set is awesome its gonna win teh contest!1!!!!111 NarutoXSasuke4eva!!1!11!!!1
Reported.

jkjkjk

It is a nice set. It didnt have to rely on gimmicks for it to be noted. I cant really say his attacks are too generic, considering the fact that he is using a scythe, and you can only be so original with one. Plus, there hasnt been a character in Smash (playable or not) that has used a scythe, so who are we to say what's generic with it being in Brawl? At least he would be staying true to his attacks in Soul Calibur.
 

Shake~

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A bit late but...

I must say, that is one gorgeous moveset, Shake. The use of pictures and colors makes it so fun to read. The pictures could have been a bit smaller, it took me a bit to load. lol. I hate to sound like a judge, but it was a bit hard to read without spacing and underlining. But the content is just fascinating. Not because I'm a PSO fan, just the fact that you did the character supreme justice for a game that hardly has any character development. ♥
Thanks for the compliments. I wanted to look different from the other movesets, but I'm sorry I caused it to take forever to load.

Whoa, Sil'fer is amazing.
Thanks.

Yeah! Phantsasy Star Online! Woot!

So anyways, the move set itself is actually pretty good. A lot of the bladed weapons were somewhat generic (though I liked how you implemented so many of the weapon types), but the non-weapon based moves were full of awesome, like the photon rod casting a foie spell afterwards. My favorite part of the move set, though, had to be the SSE Boss. God, that thing gave me so many headaches just on normal mode...
I gotta work on my bladed creativity I guess heh. Friggin Forward Smash was my worst. And trust me, if De Rol Le gave you headaches, Dark Falz's unavoidable Grants was hell.

And Sil'fer was great too. The set was pretty and interesting, and she looks very much like a Smash character (if that made any sense).
I'm glad I was able to accomplish the latter. Thank again for the reply.

@Warlord
Looks like a great set, and it doesn't seem like you took a lot of moves from the game either. Pretty creative I must say.
 

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Nice work on Zasalamel Warlord! Probably your best so far!

My only comment on the favoritism/mechanics discussion: That's why I usually try to ignore the competitive side of the thread until time to vote. I also save all the sets I like, forget who made them, on my computer and stick those into my voting list when it's time. Super Votes go to those I remember as being good and I reread to check if they're worthy. Then again, I super voted Moveset Preview Man because of the great justice.
 

Heartz♥

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Nice work on Zasalamel Warlord! Probably your best so far except Waluigi!

My only comment on the favoritism/mechanics discussion: That's why I usually try to ignore the competitive side of the thread until time to vote. I also save all the sets I like, forget who made them, on my computer and stick those into my voting list when it's time. Super Votes go to those I remember as being good and I reread to check if they're worthy. Then again, I super voted Moveset Preview Man because of the great justice.
...I thought Spade did Waluigi....

And yes, I agree with ignoring the competition.
 

Red Arremer

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Nice work on Zasalamel Warlord! Probably your best so far except Waluigi!
Wait... what?

This is it... I already had some thoughts about it, but now I'll consider stopping to submit movesets. Seriously. So that means good movesets have to be done by MW, Kibble or KRool... and noone else is able to. Fine. I can accept that. Then MW, Kibble and Rool shall post their sets without some nuisance stinging into their line of success.

I will think heavily about this. But this comment really was capping it now. Dunno. I'm impartial on my future in this thread now, tbh... Well... it's 5:30 AM, so I'll go to bed now. Maybe I'll think different after some sleep.
 

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Chapter 10 of Playing God is complete!

We're at the home stretch folks. Just one more chapter to go!
Whoa is that a Smash fanfic? That's freaking awesome.

@Spadefox: That is really discouraging for me. You were the one that kind of got me sucked into this contest. I'm sure if there wasn't a Xat, there would be plenty of people in this thread to comment on your movesets. Your Waluigi was superb and you know it. I cant say much, because I dont know what to expect from a moveset since I just got here.
 
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