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| Tournament Results & Character Rankings 2009 |

~ Gheb ~

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~ TOURNAMENT RESULTS ~​


I will try to provide links to all tournament pages. Any help is appreciated, since I can't keep track of them all by myself. Some tournaments aren't announced on SWF but on AiB, so if you have links to these results or tournament announcements PLEASE POST THEM HERE. My aim is to provide a complete overview over the european Brawl tournament scene so I need help in case I miss something.

If you post tournament results please remember to do so in this thread too and put a link to the tournament page (if I missed it in the OP). When you post results in this thread please do it in this format:

~ Name of the tournament, date
~ Number of entrants, entry fee
~ Top Eight (Characters used)
~ Link to result thread


I need that information for the character rankings. Any input is highly appreciated.

January:

~ Bushido Impact 8 (02/01/France) ~
~ Aesis Double Smash Tournament (04/01/Italy) ~


February:

~ Brawl Ranbats 1 (15/02/England) ~
~ Torneo Smash Bros. Valencia II (28/02/Spain) ~


March:

~ Brawl Stage 1 (07/03/Belgium) ~
~ B[at]GO (21/03/The Netherlands) ~
~ Brawl Ranbats 2 (22/02/England) ~


April:

~ Smash Attack (03/04/Germany) ~
~ Tír Na Smash 2 (04/04/Ireland) ~
~ I Want My Money Back (08/04/Spain) ~
~ Smash In Any Case (10/04/Italy) ~
~ Bushido Impact 9 (11/04/France) ~
~ Brawl Ranbats 3 (19/04/England) ~
~ Geneva Brawl Garden (25/04/Swizerland) ~


May

~ Giobfest (02/05/Italy) ~
~ East Midlands Rankings (09/05/England) ~


July

~ Torneio Nacional Português (26/07/Portugal) ~


August

~ Super Lion 4 (07/08/France) ~
~ Cologne is Brawlin' (14/08/Germany) ~
~ RTB 3 (15/08/Swizerland) ~


September

~ Aesis Double Smash 2 (06/09/Italy) ~


October

~ SSBB Portugal National Tournament #2 (3/10/Portugal) ~
~ KellariSmash 3! (11/10/Finland) ~
~ NST III (31/10/Spain) ~


November

~ Bushido Impact 9 (15/11/France) ~
~ Geneva Brawl Garden 2 (28/11/Swizerland) ~


December

~ Chronicles (6/12/Italy) ~
~ Expogamer 2009 (12/12/Spain) ~
~ SmashNL Winter Tournament (19/12/Netherlands) ~
~ Bushido Impact 10 (20/12/France) ~
~ Smash Portugal National Tournament #3 (22/12/Portugal) ~
~ Tornero Albatera I (27/12/Spain) ~



~ Character Rankings ~

Here I will calculate a characters performance in the european Brawl tournament scene based on their results in each individual tournament. By placing at least top8 a character wins tournament points depending on his placing.

(ENTRY FEE * # of ENTRANTS) / BASE (I take 20) * MULTIPLIER = POINTS

MULTIPLIERS
10 - 1st
7 - 2nd
4 - 3rd/4th
1 - 5th/7th

Points are divided equally for multiple characters

PLEASE ONLY POST CHARACTERS THAT WERE NEEDED TO WIN AT LEAST ONE SET.
Everything else doesn't matter

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S Rank «Uber»:

#1 :metaknight: Meta Knight ~ (8 win, 9 second, 17 top4, 34 top8) ~ 2408
#2 :snake: Snake ~ (7 win, 7 second, 16 top4, 19 top8) ~ 2134.5
#3 :marth: Marth ~ (9 win, 7 second, 8 top4, 20 top8) ~ 2055
#4 :falco: Falco ~ (7 win, 7 second, 10 top4, 20 top8) ~ 2006


A Rank «Overused»:

#5 :wario: Wario ~ (4 win, 5 second, 7 top4, 3 top8) ~ 1902.25
#6 :diddy: Diddy Kong ~ (3 win, 1 second, 8 top4, 7 top8) ~ 1818.2
#7 :popo: Ice Climbers ~ (2 win, 1 second, 5 top8) ~ 1059
#8 :gw: Mr. Game & Watch ~ (3 win, 5 second, 5 top4, 7 top8) ~ 1030.3


B Rank «Standard»:

#9 :olimar: Captain Olimar ~ (3 win, 3 second, 4 top4, 8 top8) ~ 804
#10 :dedede: King Dedede ~ (5 win, 6 second, 6 top4, 10 top8) ~ 791
#11 :zerosuitsamus: Zero Suit Samus ~ (1 win, 3 second, 4 top4, 9 top8) ~ 748.4


C Rank «Borderline»:

#12 :peach: Peach ~ (4 second, 3 top4, 3 top8) ~ 396.25
#13 :shiek: Sheik ~ (1 win, 3 top4, 2 top8) ~ 374.95
#14 :pikachu2: Pikachu ~ (1 win, 3 second, 2 top4, 6 top8) ~ 265.6
#15 :samus2: Samus ~ (1 top4, 2 top8) ~ 224
#16 :wolf: Wolf ~ (1 win, 3 second, 7 top8) ~ 160
#17 :rob: R.O.B ~ (1 win, 1 second, 5 top4, 13 top8) ~ 149.05
#18 :toonlink: Toon Link ~ (1 second, 3 top4, 10 top8) ~ 147.65
#19 :dk2: Donkey Kong ~ (2 win, 1 second, 1 top4, 6 top8,) ~ 146
#20 :bowser2: Bowser ~ (5 top4) ~ 124
#21 :lucario: Lucario ~ (1 win, 1 second, 1 top4, 4 top8) ~ 120.7


D Rank «Underused»:

#22 :pt: Pokémon Trainer ~ (3 top4, 4 top8) ~ 96.8
#23 :kirby2: Kirby ~ (2 win, 1 second, 1 top8) ~ 87.1
#24 :ness2: Ness ~ (3 top8) ~ 80.25
#25 :falcon: Captain Falcon ~ (2 second, 3 top4, 4 top8) ~ 76.65
#26 :luigi2: Luigi ~ (1 top4, 5 top8) ~ 73.6
#27 :link2: Link ~ (1 win, 1 second, 2 top4, 4 top8) ~ 69.95
#30 :sonic: Sonic ~ (3 top4, 3 top8) ~ 69.3
#28 :yoshi2: Yoshi ~ (1 win, 1 second, 1 top4, 3 top8) ~ 69
#29 :mario2: Mario ~ (3 top8) ~ 66.8



E Rank «Never Used»:

#31 :ike: Ike ~ (2 second, 3 top8) ~ 45.1
#32 :zelda: Zelda ~ (1win, 1 top4, 2 top8) ~ 39.3
#33 :lucas: Lucas ~ (1 top 4, 2 top8) ~ 39.25
#34 :fox: Fox ~ (3 top8) ~ 26.4
#35 :pit: Pit ~ (3 top8) ~ 13
#36 :jigglypuff: Jigglypuff ~ (2 top8) ~ 3.5
#37: :ganondorf: Ganondorf ~ (1 top8) ~ 2.5

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Aiko

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Link to results: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=216317
Results on 2nd post, next tournament info on 1st post


Manchester Brawl Regional Rankings 1 [15/2/09]
Entrants: 20
Entry fee £2.50

Top 8

1. Makomako - Kirby/Zelda/GaW
2. Aiko - MK
3. Smudge - Dedede
4. Blinky - MK
5. Nillix - Rob
5. RyanGraubner - Pit
7. Kosmoco - Sonic
7. Zero - Pit


Manchester Brawl Regional Rankings 2 [22/3/]09]
Entrants: 24
Entry fee: £3

Top 8

1st Calzorz (Snake)
2nd Fuzzyness (Snake + Rob)
3rd Aiko (Metaknight)
4th Blinky (Metaknight)
5th Smudge (Dedede)
5th MalcolmX (DK)
7th Oniboy (Snake)
7th Yeniths (Sheik + Snake)
 

Blad01

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Me to Gheb said:
Yeah I wanted to do the same thing, but for the moment I think it's still too early, the euro brawl scene still has to grow in Europe... We should wait this Summer with TSL4, Kologn Is Brawlin' etc to make one imo.

Don't you think so ?
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But apparently you've already made one so, I'm gonna help you ;)

Everything is there concerning french tourneys : http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214095 .

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I think you should count the top 12 for the characters rankings (when there are more than 80 players by example), considering EU has less tourneys than US, and for more accuracy.

Also, you should count less points for characters used just for one or two matchs in the entire tourney (example : Kaos used MK only once, DDD in two sets, and G&W for the rest. I used DK only in 2 matches in the entire tourney...etc)

About the 'tournaments points', I think the gaps are too important. I would rather see something like :

1st : 10 pts
2nd : 8 pts (or 7?)
3d : 6 (or 5?)
4th : 4
5th : 3
6th - 8th : 2
/If there are more than 80 players\ 9th - 12th (that means the four 9th players) : 1

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Bushido Impact 8 :

105 entrants, 10€ entry fee (for singles)

(Characters are in order of frequence of use)
1) Kaos (G&W / DDD / MK)
2) Glutony (Wario)
3) Leon (Peach / Marth)
4) Gemini (Samus)
5) Achoral (Ness / Luigi)
5) King (Wolf / G&W / Falco)
7) Charby (ZSS)
7) Shugoo (Snake / Marth)
9) Blad01 (Falco / DK)
9) BJay (ROB / Marth)
9) Manko (Falco)
9) Glarion (Lucas / Sonic)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=220715

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Do you want 2008 tournaments too ? I mean not for the rankings, but for the tournaments listing.
 

Yeniths

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East Midland Rankings:

Entrants: 15
Entry fee: £2

1. Aiko (Metaknight)
2. Willz (Falco/Wario)
3. Yeniths (Sheik/Snake)
4. Blinky (Metaknight/Falco)
5. Dam (Captain Falcon/Lucas)
5. Calzorz (Fox)
7. Knuttz45 (Metaknight/Olimar)
7. Almas (ROB/Jiggz)
 

~ Gheb ~

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I think you should count the top 12 for the characters rankings (when there are more than 80 players by example), considering EU has less tourneys than US, and for more accuracy.
Top8 is more than enough, considering that I have to do all calculations. I might add 1 tournament point for 9th but I don't think there's need for this. Unless many people disagree or I find flaws in my system I probably won't change the calculations. Don't forget that it's a lot of work to keep this updated.

Also, you should count less points for characters used just for one or two matchs in the entire tourney (example : Kaos used MK only once, DDD in two sets, and G&W for the rest. I used DK only in 2 matches in the entire tourney...etc)
If a character is needed to win or progress in the tournament I have to take it into account. If the character isn't needed he shouldn't be mentioned in the results to avoid confusion. If he really used DDD in two sets I can't remove the points for him.

About the 'tournaments points', I think the gaps are too important. I would rather see something like :

1st : 10 pts
2nd : 8 pts (or 7?)
3d : 6 (or 5?)
4th : 4
5th : 3
6th - 8th : 2
/If there are more than 80 players\ 9th - 12th (that means the four 9th players) : 1
As I said, I'll think about adding a point for 9th places....taking the size of a tournament to dtermine this is actually a good idea. Other than that I tried to keep it as simple as possible. Updating this list isn't easy anyways so I try to keep things simple. 5 points for top3 seems reasonable. 8 points for second is very much in my opinion and little distincions between 3th and 6th are unessecarily complicated.

Of course these are just my first impression. If the rankings become inaccurate in the long run I will reconsider the system by which I calculate the rankings.

Bushido Impact 8 :
Do you want 2008 tournaments too ? I mean not for the rankings, but for the tournaments listing.
No. I will start with 2009.

in our ranking battles rob + snake has won like 3 times >_> so should we add those?
I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to...
Also I'd appreciate if you could sticky this.

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Top8 is more than enough, considering that I have to do all calculations. I might add 1 tournament point for 9th but I don't think there's need for this. Unless many people disagree or I find flaws in my system I probably won't change the calculations. Don't forget that it's a lot of work to keep this updated.
Well, in US Top 8 is more than enough. In EU, it isn't :s There are a lot less tournaments, and thus taking only top 8 into account would make the list lack of datas...
Also ideally you should take all the entrants's characters into account. But this is not humanly possible, since it would require a lot of work. I understand that in the US Ankoku takes only top 8 into account, but I don't see why we should not take into account top 12 here :/
(At least ? 8D).

But I understand it still recquires some time from you, and I thank you for doing that, but taking into account 4 more players by (big) tourneys should't take that much time ;)

If a character is needed to win or progress in the tournament I have to take it into account. If the character isn't needed he shouldn't be mentioned in the results to avoid confusion. If he really used DDD in two sets I can't remove the points for him.
I don't say you shouldn't take into account, just count less points for characters hardly used in the tourney / used for fun (DK for me by example. And that reminds me Ally's Falcon, only used once in finals against Anther's Sonic...).

As I said, I'll think about adding a point for 9th places....taking the size of a tournament to dtermine this is actually a good idea. Other than that I tried to keep it as simple as possible. Updating this list isn't easy anyways so I try to keep things simple. 5 points for top3 seems reasonable. 8 points for second is very much in my opinion and little distincions between 3th and 6th are unessecarily complicated.

Of course these are just my first impression. If the rankings become inaccurate in the long run I will reconsider the system by which I calculate the rankings.
Yeah I know some of my suggestions are pretty complicated, so I trust you on that. (But I still think more data like 8-12th places would be welcome ^^).

No. I will start with 2009.
Ok. 2008 would not be that interesting anyways :p
 

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Top 8 Chars used at my little tourney:

1: Gaki (Wolf/Marth)
2: Gregs (Falc0)
3: Boku (Kirby/Marth/DK)
4: Mr. r (Marth)
5: istudying (Snake/Ice Climbers/Diddy)
5: Skippo (Toon Link)
7: Kaak (Game and Watch)
7: ohletsdance (Falco)

18 people took part in this little tourney.
Entree fee was 5€
I myself think this is not really accurate, but yea these are the results :p.
 

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Blad, the fact that Europe has less and most importantly smaller tournaments doesn't mean the results become more relevant. It means there are less good players. The US should actually use the 9th place data instead of Europe, because they have more skilled players.

Blad, the fact that someone beat your DK, even if you used DK for fun, should be taken into account. You chose to use that character in a tournament. Ally agreed to use CF against Anther in the finals, if this would have been in pools I would have agreed on this, he used CF in the finals though.
 

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Blad, the fact that Europe has less and most importantly smaller tournaments doesn't mean the results become more relevant. It means there are less good players. The US should actually use the 9th place data instead of Europe, because they have more skilled players.
Quantity =/= Quality...

But I agree that some US tournaments have still very good players that place 9th...
(And overall more good players in the nation, but maybe not proportionally)
But I think it works the same way in Europe. Of course, not for 40 people tourneys, but for tourneys like BI (110+ players) or Smack, or TSL4 this summer, the 9th places should be taken into account.

Also, I don't think that these rankings have any links with the levels of the players anyways ? It is meant to show the popularity of characters or the best characters for competitive play ?
I've never really known, and showing both would be extremely hard...
And if you only take into account top 8 (It's a little better with top 12), you can end up just showing which characters the best players are using... I mean, if players like M2K used DDD, or even a lower tier character, they would still place high, and make the character go up in rankings... That would neither mean that the character is more popular nor that he's better than we think he is...

Blad, the fact that someone beat your DK, even if you used DK for fun, should be taken into account. You chose to use that character in a tournament. Ally agreed to use CF against Anther in the finals, if this would have been in pools I would have agreed on this, he used CF in the finals though.
Well, once again i've never said it shouldn't be taken into account, but not count as much as the main character used...
Ally used Falcon against Anther's Sonic (so it wasn't that serious :s), but Falcon got as much points as Snake ôO

(Also, I used DK twice, lost the first time, won the second time %) )
 

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Well, once again i've never said it shouldn't be taken into account, but not count as much as the main character used...
I agree. For that reason I only gave half points for the 3rd character (if used) but the mains and seconds still got all the point, since they are crucial for the progress in the tournament.
I slightly changed the points given for placings. They look like this now:

1st place = 10 Tournament points
Top 3 = 5 Tournament points
Top 5 = 2 Tournament points
Top 8 = 1 Tournament point

I won't give Tournament points for 9th places for the reasons Jumpman mentioned. Even in a tournament like Smack the competition wasn't too hard outside of the top7 so there's no point in rewarding top10 with points as well.

...

I updated the rankings now, with the new system used and it looks more accurate than the old one (G&W > D3 > MK seems right looking at their tourney accomplishment) so I'll leave it like that. Once we get more tournament data it'll become more and more accurate (with Snake and MK probably rising). I think there was an italian tournament in 2009 ... I need to look that up and a spanish tournament should be complete now too.

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edit: I'll leave top 8 only


I want my money back ( national spanish tournament)

Entrants: 56
Entry Fee: 5 euros

1: Marcbri (Falco)
2: Greward (Olimar/Yoshi/Jigglypuff)
3: Miquel (Pikachu)
4: Neji (Diddy)
5: Veyron (DDD)
5: El_Bardo (DDD/Metaknight)
7: Dash (Samus)
7: Raw! (Snake)

Grew used yoshi and jigglypuff in all pool matches. Bardo used MK only against Mikel.

oh, there was a tourney last month as well, I'll put it here:

Euroranbat 09: 1st round

1: Greward (Olimar)
2: Marcbri (Falco)
3: Veyron (DDD)
4: Miquel (Pikachu)
5:Shadow (Falco)
5: Talvi ( R.O.B./Falco)
7: Urulok (Metaknight)
7: Magus (Toon Link/Marth/IC)

entry fee: free event
entrants: around 80. ( note: this event was way easier than I want my money back. the first has less players but every good player from Spain, the second one there were about 65 randoms who where at the event cause it was free or to play other games and 15 ok players. so I want my money back should have more important)
 

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I agree. For that reason I only gave half points for the 3rd character (if used) but the mains and seconds still got all the point, since they are crucial for the progress in the tournament.
Ok, in the tourney i used olimar in brackets. Then I used yoshi and jigglypuff in pools. This means that yoshi will have the same tourney points than olimar, and jigglypuff half of them?
I think we shouldn't count second and third characters unless they have played with them most of the tourney...

Top 12 is ok, but i dont matter. Marc, top 32 is being crazy.

And what the hell are doing the olimar players in Europe? Olimar the second worst in tourneys? :urg:
 

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Grew used yoshi and jigglypuff in all pool matches. Bardo used MK only against Mikel.
Apparantly he lost against Mikel with MK? If that's the case I won't count points for MK.

Ok, in the tourney i used olimar in brackets. Then I used yoshi and jigglypuff in pools. This means that yoshi will have the same tourney points than olimar, and jigglypuff half of them?
Pool matches aren't crucial. If you used Olimar in brackets but nobody else all points will go to Olimar.

I think we shouldn't count second and third characters unless they have played with them most of the tourney...
You can't play "most" of a tourney with your second character. If you use him for "most" of the tourney he's already your first character ;)

And what the hell are doing the olimar players in Europe? Olimar the second worst in tourneys? :urg:
Not at all. Some characters like Lucario, Pokemon Trainer or Bowser are unranked and we don't have that many results so many placings will be innacurate.

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Apparantly he lost against Mikel with MK? If that's the case I won't count points for MK.
Right, bardo lost 0-2

I think you shouldnt count points for a character played 1 or 2 times in a tourneys, even if he won with it and it was in brackets. But if the player played with a character a lot of times, you should count it.
 

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Gheb didn't you add the other tournament results I posted? they are from 21/3/09. but there ain't post cause we Spanish announce tournaments in our own boards.

Also coming soon 25/3/09 euroranbat 2nd round. where all catalan players ( best region in Spain) will fight again ;P
 

~ Gheb ~

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I only count tournamet with entry fees. Sorry for that but I need it for the calculations. I just doesn't work without it for several reasons.

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Gheb, even if I was talking to Jumpman, you didn't answer about the goal of the tournament. This is crucial, since it would help knowing if you have to count top 12 or not.

I agree. For that reason I only gave half points for the 3rd character (if used) but the mains and seconds still got all the point, since they are crucial for the progress in the tournament.
Hum I find it strange that the 2nd one gets all points, even if he's "crucial" (even if it's hard to see : You can use a secondary an loose with it...).
It would be more simple and logical to count half points for 2nd, 3d, and every other character than main.
Or you could count all the points for main, then 50% for second, then 25% for third etc... But that would be coùmplicated :/

I slightly changed the points given for placings. They look like this now:

1st place = 10 Tournament points
Top 3 = 5 Tournament points
Top 5 = 2 Tournament points
Top 8 = 1 Tournament point

I won't give Tournament points for 9th places for the reasons Jumpman mentioned. Even in a tournament like Smack the competition wasn't too hard outside of the top7 so there's no point in rewarding top10 with points as well.
Well... At BI8 the top 12 was worth rewarding in my opinion :

BJay (Got 5th at Smack), myself, Manko (very good falco), and Glarion...

Apparantly he lost against Mikel with MK? If that's the case I won't count points for MK.



Pool matches aren't crucial. If you used Olimar in brackets but nobody else all points will go to Olimar.



You can't play "most" of a tourney with your second character. If you use him for "most" of the tourney he's already your first character ;)
:o ? We need to define more precise rules in that case, Gheb... You can't really change the rules that easily depending on the situations :p

Not at all. Some characters like Lucario, Pokemon Trainer or Bowser are unranked and we don't have that many results so many placings will be innacurate.

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Top 12 on big tourneys for more accuracy >_<
 

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Tnx for the pm!

Aesis Double Smash tournament (national Italian tournament 04 Jan 2009)

Number of entrants: 42 (not 100%sure) , 5 euros

1: Malva (Snake/Wario/Diddy)
2: Omega (Wario)
3: Alain (Olimar/TL/ROB)
4: BlueLink (Link)
5: Ryu (Zamus/Snake)
5: Foociand (Marth/DK)
7: Leo (Marth)
7: Rael (Peach)

Result thread http://www.ssbm.it/forum/index.php?showtopic=4362
and
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214643 for the vids (pretty old >_<)

Tomorow we'll have the results of our second brawl national tournament
 

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In I want my money back there were more than 8 good players, in fact there were really close matches even in the first matches of bracket.
I agree with Blad that some tourneys should have more people than the top 8 getting points.
 

~ Gheb ~

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Gheb, even if I was talking to Jumpman, you didn't answer about the goal of the tournament. This is crucial, since it would help knowing if you have to count top 12 or not.
No. Top8 is the highest. Period.

Hum I find it strange that the 2nd one gets all points, even if he's "crucial" (even if it's hard to see : You can use a secondary an loose with it...).
If he never wins with a second, that character won't count obviously. He has to win at least one crucial match/set with him. He gets all points though since it would've been impossible to get that far in the tournament without him.

It would be more simple and logical to count half points for 2nd, 3d, and every other character than main.
Not if he would've lost without that second. Even if he didn't use him that often: The main character would've placed lower as well, so the second has to get the full score.

Well... At BI8 the top 12 was worth rewarding in my opinion :

BJay (Got 5th at Smack), myself, Manko (very good falco), and Glarion...
No regional bias please :p

Seriously though, top12 is way too much. The top8 already get a **** load of points and it would be unrealistic for a top12 character in BI8 get more points than a top5 character in a smaller tournament

:o ? We need to define more precise rules in that case, Gheb... You can't really change the rules that easily depending on the situations :p
Why not? *shrugs*

Tnx for the pm!

Aesis Double Smash tournament (national Italian tournament 04 Jan 2009)

Number of entrants: 42 (not 100%sure) , 5 euros

1: Malva (Snake/Wario/Diddy)
2: Omega (Wario)
3: Alain (Olimar/TL/ROB)
4: BlueLink (Link)
5: Ryu (Zamus/Snake)
5: Foociand (Marth/DK)
7: Leo (Marth)
7: Rael (Peach)

Result thread http://www.ssbm.it/forum/index.php?showtopic=4362
and
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214643 for the vids (pretty old >_<)

Tomorow we'll have the results of our second brawl national tournament
Thanks for that. I'm also looking forward to the other results. Please post them too.

In I want my money back there were more than 8 good players, in fact there were really close matches even in the first matches of bracket.
I agree with Blad that some tourneys should have more people than the top 8 getting points.
Many tournaments have more than 8 good players. We can't use that as a guidline for rankings though. Bigger tournaments are already rewarded with a higher number of points so there's no point in adding points for top12 too.

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Oh I forget I used MK in one bracket match, but I don't think it was important, I 2 stocked Veyron with Falco and then he cped me delfino, so I switched to MK and won 2-0.
I don't think I needed MK to win but I post this here if you want to raise MK points lol xD

btw I forgot this tourney ( it was in another region)

28/2/09
entrants : 42
entry fee: 3 euros
1: El_Bardo ( King Dedede)
2: Kirzo (Lucario)
3: Robo_Luigi (Rob)
4: Manu (Diddy Kong)
5: Row12 (Toon Link)
5: Evle (Metaknight)
7: Forny (King Dedede)
7: Warking (Wolf/Falco/Metaknight)

of course this tourney was way easier than the national, since people like Evle and Row got 25th ( both made it to brackets 4th seeded) and neither Kirzo or Robo_Luigi made it to top 8 D=

edit: >_< I forgot the name lol.
this tourney was called torneo smash bros valencia II
 

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Thanks for the input, marcbri. Keep results from spanish tournaments coming, please...they seem to have decent turnouts and give a good impression of your scene.

I hope Blad will post the results from Bushido Impact 9 ... it was yesterday and big tourneys are the most important ones (~100 entrants and ~10€ tourney fee) and have the biggest impact on the rankings.

I'll probably change the calculations...I see a slight problem. If a secondary is used the first and second character will both get less points (prolly 1/2 though we'll see how it works out...I'm doing testings until we have a really good way to calculate this accurately)

Edit: Yay @ sticky!

Edit #2: So I asked Ankoku how he used to calculate the points for his rankings list. This is what he wrote:

"(ENTRY FEE * # of ENTRANTS) / BASE (I picked 20) * MULTIPLIER = POINTS

MULTIPLIERS
10 - 1st
7 - 2nd
4 - 3rd/4th
1 - 5th/7th

Points are divided equally for multiple characters"

I will use that formula.

PLEASE ONLY POST CHARACTERS THAT WERE NEEDED TO WIN SETS.
Everything else doesn't matter

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Smash in any case (second national Italian tournament 10 Apr 2009)

Number of entrants: 36 , 10 euros

1: Vincent (Marth)
2: Ryu (Zamus, Snake)
3: Omega (Wario, GW)
4: MCT (Bowser, Lucario)
5: BlueLink (Link)
5: Darkie (Toon Link)
7: Dax (GW)
7: Wolf (Pkmn trainer, Zamus)

Meta Knight NOT banned

vids coming soon :)
result thread http://www.ssbm.it/forum/index.php?showtopic=4803
 

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Wasn't Italy one of the first countries, who considered banning MK? It's kinda funny, since there seem to be no good MK players anyways^^
Either way, thanks for the results. Just keep them coming.

Due to Snake's #2 in that tourney he's now number one but MK will probably be first again, once Blad posts the complete results of Bushido Impact 9 and Wario will come close to both of them (afaik Wario won with MK getting 2nd and 3rd). That means that MK will probably be number 1 ... dunno if Wario or Snake will be number 2 though. I can't wait for the results...

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East Midlands Rankings - 17th April 2009

Entrants: 13
Price: £3

Brawl Results:
1. Calzorz (Snake/MK/DK)
2. Willz (Falcon/Wolf/Falco)
3. Yeniths (Sheik/Snake)
4. Kais (Falco)
5. Trio3 (Link/Toon Link)
5. Halo (Toon Link)
7. Phear (DK/Wolf)
7. Almas (ROB)
 

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[19/4/09] Northwest Rankings

1st Retroking (Marth)
2nd Makomako (ZSS)
3rd Oniboy (Snake)
4th Aiko (Metaknight)
5th CCPLZ (Lucario + Luigi + Toonlink)
5th Smudge (Dedede)
7th Jankai (Pikachu)
7th Ryuken! (Sonic)

Awards:
Most Improved - Jankai
Shock of the Day - Dooan
Best Comeback - Smudge
Booby Prize - Zod
 

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Directly from the French Thread :

04/11/2009 - Bushido Nibai Impact - 83 Players

SmashBoards : (soon)
All Is Brawl : http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=5081

1) Glutonny (Wario/Marth)
2) Kaos (G&W/MK/DDD)
3) Hope (Olimar / MK / Snake)
4) Bjay (Marth)
5) Leon (Peach / Marth)
5) Kill1 (Snake / MK)
7) King (Wolf / G&W)
7) Manko (Falco)
9) Zulu (Olimar)
9) Nishi (G&W)
9) Auron (Snake)
9) Glarion (Lucas / Sonic)

Also you should add the player's performance feature wisl has added to his melee thread :p
 

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Marth is way to popular in France ... *sigh*
Oh yeah, I'll think about adding player performance. Sounds like a decent idea.

[19/4/09] Northwest Rankings

1st Retroking (Marth)
2nd Makomako (ZSS)
3rd Oniboy (Snake)
4th Aiko (Metaknight)
5th CCPLZ (Lucario + Luigi + Toonlink)
5th Smudge (Dedede)
7th Jankai (Pikachu)
7th Ryuken! (Sonic)

Awards:
Most Improved - Jankai
Shock of the Day - Dooan
Best Comeback - Smudge
Booby Prize - Zod
I need the entry fee for this.

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@Gheb : Well... They are some good G&W, so we need Marth XD

Glutonny only used Marth once in the entire tourney though, against Kaos... But he won the match with him, so I guess that counts.

[EDIT : Samus is #8 for the moment... I've always said she was underrated :)]

[EDIT2 : About player's performances... We haven't had that much international brawl events in Europe, so that's not worth it for the moment :p]
 

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Dash from Spain and Gemini from France are really good Samus players, I guess that explains way she is so high since both of them have placed well in big tournaments.
 

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We'll have the full results of GBG, but a Yoshi (Zudenka) won it.

By the way, I think that the names "overused", "underused" don't really fit this ranking. In the US by example, there are a lot of sonic mains. But still, he is in "underused".... ôo
The names of these ranks should be told in the success of the characters in placing high in tournaments, and not told among persons who use them.

[EDIT : I used a translator for the last sentence, so sorry if it isn't correct XD]
 

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Geneva Brawl Garden, 25/04/09
3,2 € entry fee, 26 entrants.

1.
Zudenka (Yoshi)
2.
Hope (Snake / MK / Olimar ??)
3.
Manaknayda' (Luigi)
4.
Jox (Diddy Kong)
5:
Avant A (Snake)
5:
Ezgon (Falco)
7:
neXus (ROB)
7:
Hakayami (C. Falcon)
wtf @ 3,2€ entry fee. Is this a joke or a mistake?

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It's not a joke. As you may know, Swiss's money is not the € :p

[EDIT : Oh btw, BI8 was on 01/02, not 02/01 ;) (I was using the US date format in the post you read)]
 

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Very interesting compared to the US rankings, I need to start watching some Euro matches.

BTW gheb, I love your sig. soccer/football flops are ridiculous.
 

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Very interesting compared to the US rankings, I need to start watching some Euro matches.

BTW gheb, I love your sig. soccer/football flops are ridiculous.
By the way Gheb you should maybe add a link to Video Thread for each tourney ;) Or to a Playlist.

BI8 Playlist (20 vids) : http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=56D45B97B27D0FF0
BNI Day 1 Playlist (15 vids) : http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=A0DA38A96508E74F
BNI Day 2 Playlist (16 vids) : http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AA8525B2F611D977
 
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