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Official 'Item Standard Play' Thread (65k views. Not bad for a side project, huh? :P + Poll in OP)
- Thread starter Jack Kieser
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Psychoace
Smash Champion
ooor knee storming!! *falcon*
Ukemi
Smash Apprentice
Has there been any discussion of moving the status of certain stages from counterpick/whatever to banned/whatever? Are there any items or stages that when combined would make the game less "playable"?
DugFinn
Smash Apprentice
Quick update on the video from the last ISP tourney. The guy that has the videos on his modded Wii says that they are in some funky file type, so he's getting that program and hardware that lets you record the match directly to the computer as a avi. He's ordered it already, so it's just a matter of time now. Hopefully it won't take too much longer.
In other news, I've been getting a lot of interest in the ISP tourney for Whobo. This is going to be massive. Oh, pre-reg ends this weekend. So if you haven't pre-reg'ed go do it now!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=216278
In other news, I've been getting a lot of interest in the ISP tourney for Whobo. This is going to be massive. Oh, pre-reg ends this weekend. So if you haven't pre-reg'ed go do it now!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=216278
UltimateRazer
Smash Champion
I have a question. Which characters would be good for 2v2 ISP? :O
pure_awesome
Smash Lord
Lol double post.
pure_awesome
Smash Lord
Wario, Wario, Wario.
Great mobility means he can get to items faster and is harder to hit. 2v2 means his air release nonsense doesn't matter.
Game and Watch could probably do some Bucket combos, too.
Great mobility means he can get to items faster and is harder to hit. 2v2 means his air release nonsense doesn't matter.
Game and Watch could probably do some Bucket combos, too.
bobson
Smash Lord
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Jack Kieser
Smash Champion
Yeah, it is. I'm sorry we couldn't do it, but it WAS Easter Sunday... Almost no one was even IN the game room this morning, and the ones who were there weren't entering the tournament. M2K and Inui actually showed up for it, but there just weren't enough people for an actual tournament. Sorry, dude.
SkylerOcon
Tiny Dancer
Did ISP really get cancelled? I just came in here to look for results and now I find this out. Lame. At least M2K and Inui came.
If I had been able to go to WHOBO, I totally would've stayed for ISP.
If I had been able to go to WHOBO, I totally would've stayed for ISP.
Jack Kieser
Smash Champion
Well, the 1v1 did. 2v2 totally kicked ***, though; you should have seen it. We had a few round 1 issues with getting people to understand rules and such, but after that it was smooth sailing; I only wish I had my recording equipment set up on Friday.
Arturito_Burrito
Smash Master
I didn't like the whobo isp =\ I never got to counter pick smashballs they where just always on.
Jack Kieser
Smash Champion
Yeah, I'm sorry about that. We decided that it would be too much of a pain to try to explain counterpicking items to everyone (apparently, they had a hard time with that last tourney).
Arturito_Burrito
Smash Master
gah I was so looking forward too it! Next time use dugfins projector to have a giant copy of the rules on the wall
DugFinn
Smash Apprentice
All tournaments on Sunday were canceled, not just 1v1 ISP. Even Street Fighter. It was due to Easter Sunday and many people had Easter related stuff to do.
On Fri, ISP 2v2 was AMAZING! 30 teams signed up! So, 1v1 would have done wonderful if it had not been on Sunday. Lots of players wanted to sign up, but couldn't because they had to leave to catch flights or for Church stuff.
1v1 ISP got canceled because of Easter Sunday, NOT because of lack of interest.
Results!!!
2v2 ISP - 30 teams entered!
1: Inui and M2K
2: Butthole perfect
3: We abuse the homeless
4: Soul Cal *****
5: your speed does not amuse us
5: dallasfinals
7: saiyan approved
7: 5 letter s word
9: Slippery sausage
9: Furious burrito
9: Broken arrow
9: WTF Is M2k? (Male Platypus and Slaps)
13: PK Egg
13: LAIN GOT ROBBED!!!
13: Defatbi
13: PK arrow (pierre + seiya)
17: The Unstoppable Metaknights
17: We Buzzin'
17: Chaosplayed
17: Adament
17: Fogo Lets us hang out with him sometimes (furbs + mikeHaze)
17: Trollin' (Folsil + troopa)
17: Up the butt
17: Stellar heroes
25: 2d accupuncter
25: R.O.Y
25: Bork3n Arrowz (esca + hyrulian Royalty)
25: Seppuku
25: blank
25: Blood red magic
1v1 ISP -
We canceled all tournaments on Sunday. It was a hard decision, but many players told us that since it was Easter weekend, they would have to leave either Sat night or Sun morning. So, a full fledged tournament would have not been possible. I take full responsibility for the schedule and will make sure that NO tournaments gets put on Sunday next year. That said, the people that did sign up and did show up for the 1v1 ISP included M2K, Inui, Hylian, DSF, Lee Martin, Sethlon, Male Platypus, T-Rex, Mr. 3000 and more. Soooooo, it would've been freakin' amazing....
Conclusion: ISP has much potential!
Everything went kicka$$, but many players have yet to fully learn the ruleset, so, I'll take Arturito's brilliant idea and project the ruleset onto the wall at the next ISP tourney we host. But now that many players from around the US have been introduced to ISP, it's going to be an interesting ride to see what happens next...
Photos...
Whobo results thread in general: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=229419
On Fri, ISP 2v2 was AMAZING! 30 teams signed up! So, 1v1 would have done wonderful if it had not been on Sunday. Lots of players wanted to sign up, but couldn't because they had to leave to catch flights or for Church stuff.
1v1 ISP got canceled because of Easter Sunday, NOT because of lack of interest.
^^^ This is a smart man with a genius idea. It will be done at the next ISP tourney.
Results!!!
2v2 ISP - 30 teams entered!
1: Inui and M2K
2: Butthole perfect
3: We abuse the homeless
4: Soul Cal *****
5: your speed does not amuse us
5: dallasfinals
7: saiyan approved
7: 5 letter s word
9: Slippery sausage
9: Furious burrito
9: Broken arrow
9: WTF Is M2k? (Male Platypus and Slaps)
13: PK Egg
13: LAIN GOT ROBBED!!!
13: Defatbi
13: PK arrow (pierre + seiya)
17: The Unstoppable Metaknights
17: We Buzzin'
17: Chaosplayed
17: Adament
17: Fogo Lets us hang out with him sometimes (furbs + mikeHaze)
17: Trollin' (Folsil + troopa)
17: Up the butt
17: Stellar heroes
25: 2d accupuncter
25: R.O.Y
25: Bork3n Arrowz (esca + hyrulian Royalty)
25: Seppuku
25: blank
25: Blood red magic
1v1 ISP -
We canceled all tournaments on Sunday. It was a hard decision, but many players told us that since it was Easter weekend, they would have to leave either Sat night or Sun morning. So, a full fledged tournament would have not been possible. I take full responsibility for the schedule and will make sure that NO tournaments gets put on Sunday next year. That said, the people that did sign up and did show up for the 1v1 ISP included M2K, Inui, Hylian, DSF, Lee Martin, Sethlon, Male Platypus, T-Rex, Mr. 3000 and more. Soooooo, it would've been freakin' amazing....
Conclusion: ISP has much potential!
Everything went kicka$$, but many players have yet to fully learn the ruleset, so, I'll take Arturito's brilliant idea and project the ruleset onto the wall at the next ISP tourney we host. But now that many players from around the US have been introduced to ISP, it's going to be an interesting ride to see what happens next...
Photos...
Whobo results thread in general: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=229419
Trela
Smash Lord
I feel sorry for Lain. He had to team with ME for ISP lol I think we could've done better. Stipid DSF and Tyrant with your Warios! :O
=Trela=
Inui
Banned via Warnings
ISP Doubles was crazy fun. Mew2King and I never even lost a match. 
SamuraiPanda
Smash Hero
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Something to note: Japanese Brawl has items on in normal doubles.
Jack Kieser
Smash Champion
Personally, I think that WHOBO was plenty proof that, properly implemented, there is nothing epicly broken about items. In fact, they actually seem to make gameplay, dare I say... better. 
...and that was without CP's and with a modified item list, too!
...and that was without CP's and with a modified item list, too!
§leepy God
Smash Master
♫ I think that's better when it come's to item play. For example on Doubles you want Smash Balls on when you Counter Pick, you might have a character that own with their Final Smash, but might fry your teammate as well. My saying, Team Attack should be on because of some items that's allowed like Assist Trophies, Smash Balls, etc. ☼
xDD-Master
Smash Champion
I would suggest to ban Warp Stars. (At least Counterpick).
The dont have any risk and can kill at relativily low %s. (+Big Range).
I also want to say that I like to play only with food on low ^^
It's really cool and things like planking become useless ;D
Also Stages like Smashville and Yoshis Island get a little extra
I would like to have this standard ruleset but I know this will never be x)
The dont have any risk and can kill at relativily low %s. (+Big Range).
I also want to say that I like to play only with food on low ^^
It's really cool and things like planking become useless ;D
Also Stages like Smashville and Yoshis Island get a little extra
I would like to have this standard ruleset but I know this will never be x)
Neon304
Smash Apprentice
I really wish I knew about this sooner. It looks like quite a bit of time and thought has went into this, and after reading, I believe I'll use these rules for a new tournament circuit over at Smash Brawl Rankings. Thanks to everyone involved in making this thread, it really makes me smile =D
E.G.G.M.A.N.
Smash Journeyman
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Wait, all the items? Or just some?
lumber_of_the_beast
Smash Rookie
Forgive me if I'm dense, since I'm not seeing it anywhere - what's the item spawn rate for 1v1? Low?
SonicBlind
Smash Rookie
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Wow , I didn't even now they had competitive item matches , with different rules and all that. Awesome.
Nihongo-ookami
Smash Journeyman
Well, being that there are quite a few Items, I'd think to ban 2-3 of them.
Jack Kieser
Smash Champion
Yeah, it's low. I really need to make that easier to see.
Now there are. ^_^
That usually is what most people have to get used to the most; try it with Team Attack on (especially with the 1 use rule), and it gets a TON more strategic.
Do you mean in counterpicking? Strikes? Because we ban a lot more than 2-3 usually.
Nihongo-ookami
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, about striking/CPing and whatnot. I do think that 2-3 would be good.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Not at all. The reason it works is because hitlag is extended with timers, and there's no way you can SDI out in hitlag.
That and it's not just Captain Falcon, Ganondorf, Pikachu, and Zelda all immiediatly come to mind that can do that.
Jack Kieser
Smash Champion
Exactly. In the write-up for the Timer, we link to 4 separate Youtube videos all clearly demonstrating why it is impossible to use SDI to get out of various Lightning-stun hi-jinx. If there were a way, we'd have made note of it, but the game mechanics are just built that way, unfortunately.
Actually, due to timer, you can SDI the moves for so long, i garantee you wont land 2 knees in time vs me. You are completely wrong about your assumption. The more hitlag, the more time you can SDI out. SDI occurs during hitlag...
QCDI up and down to dodge and you guys are screwed. The problem seemed to be able to land more than 1 time the same move without being able to dodge the second. Well, i just showed you how. In hitlag, you can instantly teleport to any side and even faster with timer off due to QCDI being so powerfull then.
The only problem would be zelda.... her kicks cannot be SDI-ed.... at all. Weird uh? But such item should be on CP, because zelda is the only char who has lightning moves the do NOT allow SDI, which makes this mostly balanced.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
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Forgot about SDing up, down won't help much though. I also think that Ganondorf doesn't have that issue as well because of the momentum attached to his attack.
Yeah, it's called fake hitlag, Marth's tipper f-smash is another example. I truthfully don't know about pikachu's f-smash, regardless I can test.
Jack Kieser
Smash Champion
Akatsuki Knight
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Items Are For Pros
drunk3ng0ldfish
Smash Cadet
Green Shells should be banned.
I just spent the morning testing them. and Ganondorf, Falco, Fox, Wolf, Cpt Falcon, Peach, Sonic, Snake, Ike, Marth, DDD, Charizard, Sheik, Pikachu, Pit, ROB (and possibly Lucario and Wario, though i cannot get it for them) have infinite jumps with the green shell.
its not fair because once the characters listed above have a green shell they basically have inifinite recovery/stalling (except Snake and Ike, because they lose height)
either ban the green shells or ban the use of infinite jumps with them.
I just spent the morning testing them. and Ganondorf, Falco, Fox, Wolf, Cpt Falcon, Peach, Sonic, Snake, Ike, Marth, DDD, Charizard, Sheik, Pikachu, Pit, ROB (and possibly Lucario and Wario, though i cannot get it for them) have infinite jumps with the green shell.
its not fair because once the characters listed above have a green shell they basically have inifinite recovery/stalling (except Snake and Ike, because they lose height)
either ban the green shells or ban the use of infinite jumps with them.
bobson
Smash Lord
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This is already banned under stalling rules, like flying under the stage over and over.
The recovery aspect is minor considering the disadvantages of always holding an item and the tendency for Brawl characters to recover from anything that doesn't outright kill them anyway.
drunk3ng0ldfish
Smash Cadet
so it is fine to use the green shell to create an wall of aerials?