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CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Did he? If he did, whoops, oh well. At any rate, follow up with a footstool, This should make Snake 1 grab = death maybe possibly.
Raimundo
Smash Apprentice
ROFL, Gates shot you down CRASHiC.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
There is so much information in Vayseth's thread that it is pretty easy to miss a thing or too.
However, just finished playing with some friends, I think I may have found a way to use zoning on FD to turn Falco's camping game against him.
Below is FD
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If you can close him in here, you can mix up a game of low air camping and dthrow to ftilt to keep him pretty much at bay, since the only move he has to get through you here is his side b, but it is low enough prority that you can easily stop it. The only acccuarte way through is to double jump and side b, but that ends with him not being able to move and having quite a bit of landing lag, in which you can chase to set up this situation on the other side, or uptilt. His down b can cause problems if you aren't careful however, but with careful dodging, it should be a problem. You should be able to keep him within this zone, then, when the time is right, abuse the pummel release at ledge to foot stool to dair for a kill, as he respawns, attempt to set up this situation again,
However, just finished playing with some friends, I think I may have found a way to use zoning on FD to turn Falco's camping game against him.
Below is FD
________________DDD__F____
If you can close him in here, you can mix up a game of low air camping and dthrow to ftilt to keep him pretty much at bay, since the only move he has to get through you here is his side b, but it is low enough prority that you can easily stop it. The only acccuarte way through is to double jump and side b, but that ends with him not being able to move and having quite a bit of landing lag, in which you can chase to set up this situation on the other side, or uptilt. His down b can cause problems if you aren't careful however, but with careful dodging, it should be a problem. You should be able to keep him within this zone, then, when the time is right, abuse the pummel release at ledge to foot stool to dair for a kill, as he respawns, attempt to set up this situation again,
Jupz
Smash Master
Sounds like a good idea Crashic, although it can be quite hard to stop the IAP 100% of the time, and if falco gets within range he can Jab->grab us (his jab comes out in two frames 
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Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
It seems interesting...
So you're saying to build up enough damage with the low aircamping/down throw to forward tilt...then pummel release to footstool to down air?
Otherwise, the footstool to down air will just bring him back up. So you mean by building that damage?
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
No, if the Falco is smart (and lucky with our grab range) enough not to get grabbed and pushed off stage, you will eventually use dsmash or utilt for the kill. The pummel will make him go the same distance regardless, footstooling him will take away his second jump, or just grabbing the edge right away will keep him from getting back on, and when he goes for his Upb, his only vertical recovery move, Bair of Fair to stage spike for early gimp. However, this is not auto win, and will take a very alert game from you to be able to punish his every movement as he tries to reposition himself on the other side of the field.
Another note, do NOT go for gimp or go on the offense. Your goal is to keep him pinned and rack up damage, abusing dtilt, ftilt, bair, fthrow, bthrow, and inhale to your advantage. You should become a wall, not giving him any chance for escape or to rezone himself. When he is off stage, throw waddle dees to pressure him. He most always feel the pressure, but you must not give him opportunities to use side b safely above you and escape. He can only jump up high and side b, and as I said before, when that happens, be ready to punish big because of the lag he will receive.
Another note, do NOT go for gimp or go on the offense. Your goal is to keep him pinned and rack up damage, abusing dtilt, ftilt, bair, fthrow, bthrow, and inhale to your advantage. You should become a wall, not giving him any chance for escape or to rezone himself. When he is off stage, throw waddle dees to pressure him. He most always feel the pressure, but you must not give him opportunities to use side b safely above you and escape. He can only jump up high and side b, and as I said before, when that happens, be ready to punish big because of the lag he will receive.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Oh okay so down air is out of the question then? You said "dair" in the previous post.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Only Dair if you are spaced properly so they come in front of you for a fair combo. Once they get past 40, its not really a good idea to do such a thing. You're entire goal is to reduce the stage size for them, having you as a wall and the edge as the other wall, preventing them from camping until you are either able to get the Vayseth gimp or able to utilt or dsmash kill them.
anotherr thing that makes d3 even better against space animanlss?? that not cool man. baisicly a 0 to death shxt
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Crashic said it's a possible zero to death, but not guarenteed.
might work on falco and wolf wont work on fox mthough my friend you have to remember that your opponent could mash an airbreak
∫unk
Smash Master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTOzXQSE1GM
look at 2:40 ddd
can someone explain what happened? ddd does a back roll but then is facing the other way?!??
did he shield drop pivot shield grab in that small of a time after the back roll? if so that's way faster than i thought it was.
look at 2:40 ddd
can someone explain what happened? ddd does a back roll but then is facing the other way?!??
did he shield drop pivot shield grab in that small of a time after the back roll? if so that's way faster than i thought it was.
He was already facing the other way when he was blocking. He just did a turn around shield grab. Turning around is practically instant.
∫unk
Smash Master
okay so he just didn't put up his shield at the end of his roll and pivot shielded?
i didn't even know this was possible XD cause you usually don't back roll into the opponent
i didn't even know this was possible XD cause you usually don't back roll into the opponent
Yeah he just pivot shielded basically.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
He must have done both inputs to make it at the perfect frame.
∫unk
Smash Master
that is sexy as hell
good **** seibrik for beasting that game too
good **** seibrik for beasting that game too
yea that grab was weireddd but good shxt in that match to seibrik man it was close. chuddat is a beast
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Needs more discussion >.>
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFYJHNqJNDM
Co18 knows how to make the fall through glitch happen now, ya know, not that he told us.
Co18 knows how to make the fall through glitch happen now, ya know, not that he told us.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
But it was never determined exactly how it happens, at least, that's how I remember it happening.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
I know nothing of this. I only came to the D3 XX weeks ago(?)
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
I think we all noticed that in the video Gates. No need to be so obvious
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
I think it's right before the super armor frames.
Jupz
Smash Master
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
That was overrated and thought more useful than pivot grab. But when everyone calmed down they found out it just keeps Nado at bay. Nothing too serious.
SuSa
Banned via Administration
It's good for single hit attacks that you want to powershield and grab.... but not as useful as I was thinking.
T3h Albino
Smash Master
I too thought this would be very useful but was sadly mistaken =/
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
I'm glad everybody did that...if you know what I mean. I think you're the only one that doesn't.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Me doesnt get it. I is slow. =x
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
It's not really a joke though...Serin, you just weren't here long enough to see all the chaotic posts that arose in these boards, and that's when I had to step in and say that "Okay now everyone in this room needs to calm down." :embarrass
That quote is hardly ever a joke either...and most of the people just stopped posting here that were here way before.
That quote is hardly ever a joke either...and most of the people just stopped posting here that were here way before.
Jupz
Smash Master
<3 Beef :D
So is air planking with a mixture of Dairs, Bairs and Inhales viable with Dedede?
So is air planking with a mixture of Dairs, Bairs and Inhales viable with Dedede?
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Basically. Dair into Fairs/another Dair/Bair/Uair is such an amazing follow up.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Atmosk found some sort of instant pivot grab out of shield. This is good for us
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
CRASHiC did you not read the posts ABOVE your post? Because I mostly covered that topic.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Welp.
I suck at the internet.
I suck at the internet.