I find Rockin's and Sinz's votes on Swords questionable and I want them to elaborate more on that, especially Sinz.
I already explained. I didn't like how he was bandwagoning Cacti, as well as not providing a defense for himself while at 3-4 votes on him at the time.
Chaco Rockin seems to be floundering Town.
I think everyone in the game noted suspicion of Chaco (specifically: KevinM, Cacti, Sinz, SwordsR, and The_Truth all either voted for or FOSed him). Chaco looked terrible. What he said made neither logical nor semantic sense and he more or less issued commands and remained (possibly purposefully) ambiguous. Rockin replaced in and retracted basically all of Chaco's opinions. Rockin double FOSed SwordsR and Sinz, pointing out that SwordsR likes to bandwagon, and basically a FOS-chainsaw defense (though not really scummy) of Macman by FOSing Sinz for FOSing Macman. I'm okay with that. I'm also okay to assume that, as Marshy has noted, Chaco is more timid as scum. I can see that pre-endgame situation in Newbie #1 when he flipped a proverbial shit. In #251 Rockin states that his FOS of Sinz is dying and his FOS of Swords is still living strong, and voted SwordsR. He also said he can't make heads or tails of my flavor discussion with Macman. Rockin, how do you feel about The_Truth, Mentosman, and Cacti, and why do you fail to understand a simple flavor discussion? Answer those two questions and you are golden.
In terms of the flavor, I really couldn't make heads or tails. the part you underlined in orange explains about the possible town, but then you mention Pheniox Wright as well as other people. I don't know too much about the others (I need to wiki them sometime), but I was sure that Pheniox Wright is Mafia. From the beginning flavors, it explains that all the criminals escaped from prison and are getting revenge from that same person responsible. This, like Macman, lead me to believe that our mafias are Pheniox wright and anyone else who is an attorny of some sort. This is why I wanted to see and make sure that you understood what Macman is saying.
As far as those people you listed, look further down, as Macman asked me to give him a list.
As for the scum/indy thing, yeah, it probably was a tad tilted towards scum. Think about it though. If there's an indy, there's likely to be like 2 scum. And if there is no indy, it's likely to be 3 scum. Of course, if Junglefever has tilted the odds slightly against the town, in which case it may be 3 scum 1 indy. It was just a guess that there's an indy in the game, i have no idea if there is.
We don't really know for certain how many scums we have or indie. The only thing we can do is guess. It's best to wait for tomorrow so as to see if we got an indie or not.
Rockin, ACE, Sinz hop off the swords wagon please if you can't give us better reasons. This is especially @ Sinz and Rockin. He's probably town or at least
not mafia.
Isn't the main point of town to get rid of all anti town members? >_>
Hey rockin, can you make a post telling us what you think of every player so far?
sure
Marshy - Marshy is acting like...Marshy. I havn't really seen anything scummy, other then the fact that his vote on Mentosman. I have nothing on him at the moment, however I want to believe he's town for the moment.
Macman - so far, townie in my book. Half (or quarter) of the time, his post have been nothing of value, but he has been contributing in terms of the discussion. I don't see anything scummy about him, which is why I don't really agree with the case Riddle has brought up against him.
Pierre the Scarecrow - Another town I like to consider. Although havn't been as active as others (or at least, as much as others want him to be), he does contribute to the thread and I also don't see anything scummy about him thus far.
XACE-K - Unknown. I don't see him post too much and I've seen little from him. I gotta see a bit more of him to see where he stands.
Sinz - Similar with Ace, but at the same time found him slightly scummy. He was using a case where Macman was obviously joking. I felt he was trying to desperatly put someone on the hot spot, but I guess I was looking at the quote at a wrong angle. I want to see him post a bit more.
Cacti - He's been acting a bit scummy in my eyes, though not as scummy as swords. Some of his post seem a bit scummy, but at the same time, they have some good intentions. Hmm.
SwordsRbroken - Before pierre asked me my opinion on him, I thought he was pretty scummy for what he did. Now? He seems to be at the fine line between townie and scum. I still want to believe he's scum, however his latest posts puts him in a more townish light. Even so, I'm not gonna accept 'sorry, I didn't mean it' so easily, so my eye is still on him at the moment.
Riddle - I thought riddle seemed town at first...but now that he's going after macman, I dunno anymore. I don't agree with his logic against Macman. All I see is him getting irritated by Macman's lax attitude or 'not contributing.'
Mentosman -He seems pretty town to me. I don't see anything scummy about him. This is why I want to know why marshy has a vote on him.
The_Truth - as others have said, he hasn't been contributing much as others. However, upon recent posts, he started to seem less scummy, but I really want him to post. Usually, I don't feel comfortable to lynch lurkers only cause they usually end up town. However, since Wiki and Hando did that in Megamafia (Wiki was indie, Hando was Maf), I'm a bit more willing to lynch lurkers.
Gheb_01 - Nothing on Gheb still. Seems a bit town for now. However, he seems to like asking a lot of questions. That's about the only thing I noticed.
KevinM - Unknown at the moment. I want to believe he's town, but he's jumping on one scummy bandwagon after another.
As a note, I'm pretty sure that the TBQH is a thing that is seen depending on which skin you are using. I'm on the default black one (not sure what it's called), and I see the tbqh in Macman's post.
OK, a lot has been post and I'm not sure if I can make heads or tails of all of this. It's all too much for my head right now, and I may miss things that some people said or not remember them.
Right now, about the current situation, I'm starting to think that Riddle is scum. At first, I thought he was scum as like other people said, he is trying to take the attention off
someone when he posted his case against macman. I really don't know who he's with, but here are the possiblities I think that there are:
1. He's with swords, and is trying to take the pressure off him. This is a possibility to me as in the post against me where he states that SwordR's and I's discussion is dumb, he states that we both have not been answering each other's questions fully. However, when he posts his case against me, there's only one post quoted against swords, which is one of the lesser of his bad statements. Before, it was obvious that he wasn't answering Gheb's questions well, but Riddle did not use it as an example, maybe to not cast any more suspicion onto Swords when he is already on shaky ground. However, I am not sure about this possibility as many people have already stated that SwordsR is not the play, so I'm not sure what the need for this would be. This is just a possibility that I'd like to keep in mind.
2. He's with Truth, which is one thought by most people. This one is could be possible, as a votes have been slowly piled onto him and Riddle could be getting nervous. However, I think that Truth could just be a confused newbie (no one point out the fact that I'm new too
). He's been taking things off other people's ways of finding scum, agreeing with people, and actively lurking. However, I think that he could still be scum, as I found in my epicmafia days that whenever I thought that there was a confused newbie, he was really scum.
3. This one is more obscure, but he's with Sinz (this is more of a me
fosing Sinz then thinking he's with Riddle). Sinz has been not contributing anything throughout the game and I think that he's been worse then people like Truth, as while Truth just lurks, Sinz lurks and makes it seem like that he's not. He posts big things when it's really just all him agreeing with people, and makes it look like that he is scumhunting with his post about his two theories. He is also fosing Macman which could lead to him to try to take down Macman with Riddle.
4. He's indy. This is the conclusion that I think has the highest percent chance of him being,
as the links that I can think of aren't very strong in my head.
So basically, I'd be fine with a Riddle lynch or a Swords lynch, Swords still being scum in my head because of his "answers" to Gheb, which are the exact same to the ones he gave before, and his OMGUS to Truth, where he jumps off me, a supposedly giant fos he has and has been building a case on, to bandwagon on Truth, which looks like the lynch that's happening today. This is why I'm keeping my vote on him.
All of my points before against Swords still stand, I'm just stating my points on Riddle in this post.
I'd like Rockin and Mentos to post about this.
Well, all I'm getting at the moment is that you feel that Riddle is scummy and every other three is a possible mafiat to him. If this is true, how come you're not so comfortable with a Truth and Sinz lynch (or just Truth, since you seem more confident then the other) along with a Riddle and Swords lynch.
That part I bolded...if those 'links' are those three suspects there, then why list them out in the first place?
Also, I don't like how Marshy and Gheb is giving some orders on who the vig (if we have one) should shoot. It's good that you give suggestions, but the vig should make the final call. IMO, I think the vig should avoid killing at night, so as to avoid confusing them for a sk.
Marshy, why did you vote for mentosman?
KevinM, anyone you find suspicious?
Marshy, what is your reason for voting Mentosman?
