Chaos is right, lets say MK does get banned.....people that don't play or don't like Diddy, Snake, Falco etc. (not me) will start saying that "Snake broken" or "Diddy's broken" blah blah blah.....and that "those characters will too many tournaments".
Just think about; and quit the ****ing whining about MK.
*thinks about* (it?)
Everyone that still wants MK banned believe me I was like "you guys" once. But certain people and their posts under the "Why MK should NOT be banned" thread CHANGED my mind. I main ROB, don't you think I want MK banned.
NO! Because, well because of multiple reasons. GO read the "Why MK should NOT be banned" thread.
Ah yes, I remember this.
Of course it's great for elite players. Elite players are the ones that matter. They have put their time and dedication into the game so they could become better. Probably one of the biggest chunks ADHD and Ally have put in, is their remarkable ability to beat MK. Obviously, that means that you have to put time and effort into beating him.
You're basically crying casual. Instead of learning how to beat wave dashing, l-canceling and the like, you cry and say it should be removed. Sakurai removed them from the game, dumbing it down. You cry about MK being too good, saying he should be removed.
He's an integral part of the game. You're not good enough to realize that.
NM changed my mind again. I believe that ^.
MK shouldn't be banned. As much as I don't like it it's true.
So the reason you're romping all over the boards posting this face melting jargon is that you were convinced by some random PT main who is barely involved in the tourney scene (as far as I can tell going to one tournament this year), sucks at this game (got last at said tournament), and likes to make ridiculous analogies.
COOL BEANS
Well, to be fair his post isn't completely atrocious like some of the ones in this debate... take yours for instance!!!
Anyways, let's take a looksie....
Elite players are the ones that matter.
This is simply incorrect. It is not reality. The elite are elite
because, when compared to other smashers, they are set apart from the vast majority by their superior skill at the game. By definition the elite are very few in number. If you take away the elite players what happens? Well.... not much. People still play. New players rise above the chaff and are deemed "elite".
Now what happens when everyone BUT the elite are removed? Well.... this is problematic....
THERE'S NO ONE LEFT TO PLAY THE GAME. The Brawl tournament community dies right then and there.
To summarize: strictly speaking the elite really
DON'T matter to the community. There will always BE elite due to most people's goal of "being the best"/"playing to win", but they aren't and never will be the cornerstone of this community.
....Maybe Maniclysane was trying to say something different with that statement.... but oh well! I'm not clairvoyant!
They have put their time and dedication into the game so they could become better. Probably one of the biggest chunks ADHD and Ally have put in, is their remarkable ability to beat MK. Obviously, that means that you have to put time and effort into beating him.
I'll break this down into three parts:
They [the elite] have put their time and dedication into the game so they could become better.
So
only the elite have put time and dedication into the game in order to become better? Once again perhaps his wording is off... but this statement is not only a stupid, simple minded assumption; it is also a slap in the face to everyone who HAS put hard work into getting better and HAS NOT joined the ranks of the "elite". It sounds like he's saying that anyone can become "elite" if they put an equal amount of work as the current elite have into it, which in turn means that everyone who is not among the elite is simply
lazy*. ....I'm sorry, but there isn't a universal linear relationship between "amount of work" and "ability to win a tournament".
*This statement is ADHD approved
Probably one of the biggest chunks ADHD and Ally have put in, is their remarkable ability to beat MK.
Hmmmmmm.... Let me re-phrase this so it's actually readable:
"Most likely ADHD and Ally have spent a large percentage of their time practicing the MK matchup, resulting in their ability to beat him."
my reaction: "no ****"
But really now,
LISTEN UP EVERY SINGLE NON-MK MAIN WHO IS NOT ADHD OR ALLY. YOU AREN'T BEATING TOP MK PLAYERS BECAUSE YOU AREN'T PUTTING ENOUGH TIME INTO THE MATCHUP. MAN UP DAMMIT.
Obviously, that means that you have to put time and effort into beating him.
Once again, the "you aren't beating MK because you are a lazy ***** who isn't trying hard enough". I love me some assumptions!
This also skirts on another topic briefly discussed in the "Why MK should NOT be banned" thread: the one of human potentiality. Maniclysane here states that to be (one of the few) elite, and thus be able to beat MK by his reasoning, all that is required is hard work. Nothing more! Anyone can do it if they try hard enough!!!!!!
Look, if I try hard enough will I EVER beat Usain Bolt in the 100 meter sprint?
HEEEEEEELL NO
Uhg, look I'm really not going to get into this. If you ascribe to the idea that "you can be the best at anything with enough effort*" then be warned: life has a way of crushing the reality of your human limitations into you
.
*(I will however point out how this falls apart when you realize there are many others aiming to be the best..... but there can be only one "best". Oops. [for a more modest example replace "best" with "elite" and "one" with "few"])
You're basically crying casual. Instead of learning how to beat wave dashing, l-canceling and the like, you cry and say it should be removed. Sakurai removed them from the game, dumbing it down. You cry about MK being too good, saying he should be removed.
Ok. I am REALLY TEMPTED to post that gif again. He's merely trying to sound good/convincing by hiding behind a fancy analogy..... which is bit of a pet-peeve of mine. Look, analogies are best used to
supplement a point in order to promote a more thorough understanding. Using an analogy AS YOUR POINT is NOT A GOOD IDEA (unless you wish to say nothing and make it sound convincing at the same time. Then it's great!!!!)
Anyways, let's translate: "Instead of learning how to beat wave dashing, l-canceling and the like, you cry and say it should be removed. Sakurai removed them from the game, dumbing it down. You cry about MK being too good, saying he should be removed."
remove the completely unrelated statement:
"Instead of learning how to beat wave dashing, l-canceling and the like, you cry and say it should be removed. You cry about MK being too good, saying he should be removed."
to:
"To cry about the melee advanced techs and ask for their removal is to cry about metaknight and ask for his removal."
Whoa there! Crying about the melee advanced techs and wanting them banned is pretty ridiculous right?? I mean, sure you'll have some off nutter every now and again saying such things.... but everyone can agree that he's either reaaaally stupid or is incredibly ignorant (and furthermore arrogant) right?? Because of this fact it's never been a major community issue!
Now let's compare this to the whole ban MK debacle..... oh...... wait a second. I'm seeing some stark differences here. Unlike the imaginary issue of people wanting to ban melee AT's the ban MK issue IS A REAL ISSUE. There have been THREE separate major threads regarding the issue... with the last thread alone clocking in at
7549 posts.. Add in the other major threads and the innumerable minor threads regarding the issue and you can conclude that this is
clearly a huge, pervasive, community-encompassing affair.
Whew... anyways so he's comparing the current controversy around metaknight to the non-existent controversy of wanting to ban melee ATs.... something which is undeniably silly.
......
ban melee ATs
undeniably silly
And there, we see the truth of this analogy. Look at it again:
"To cry about the melee advanced techs and ask for their removal is to cry about metaknight and ask for his removal."
This analogy doesn't
say anything! Its only purpose is to
make those who want MK banned look silly.
That's it. "Well gee, banning Melee ATs would be completely ridiculous! Laughable even! And lookie here.... doing such such a thing is analogous to
banning Metaknight!! Wow wanting to ban metaknight suuuuure is absurd! yerp derp".
tl;dr: all this analogy says is that wanting to ban MK is as laughably stupid as wanting to ban melee ATs. This is a mind-blowingly dense statement, as the two given situations are completely incomparable.
Ok! Done with that
. To continue with my post:
He's an integral part of the game. You're not good enough to realize that.
The last tournament I went I got dead last in.
LOL
So yeah. His post
sounds good and all, but once you get past the fluff (confusing sensationalist wording) its actual content is.... poorly thought out. At best it just doesn't say anything at all. I really get the impression that it's written by someone woefully inexperienced in the tournament scene (and whaddya know, I'm right!). In other words a classic case of "the less you know the less you realize you know nothing." Anyways the post is far and away nothing special enough to radically change your views on this huge community issue. Unless you're a bit of a dunce yourself.
.....
Oh wow I'm so sorry
(In all truthfulness I attribute this to mere ignorance on your part
. Of which there is nothing wrong with! Every human is ignorant in every subject to some degree... it's simply a result of us not being omniscient beings. Ignorance only becomes a problem when it is confronted and nothing is done about it.)
A few months ago I went to a tournament in San Diego while I was visiting my relatives (Everyone at Chula Vista were really awesome :D) and before the tournament started the only character I could use well at all was Metaknight. My spacing was off too, and I relied realllly heavily on dsmash, almost the whole time. Almost all of my kills were shuttle loop kills. Even while using MK I was hesitant to leave the stage.
A bit uncouth and off-topic, but I found this to be a bit ironic.
MK doesn't need to be banned. Stop whining like little *****es, I hate MK either more or just as much y'all, but I understand why he needs to stay un-banned.
You seem to be enjoying your newfound stance. ...You know I guess it makes sense that the reasons you give for not banning MK amount to "HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE BANNED WHINERS", when you consider the source of your view (the dissected post above).
...o wait did you really just say that
ALL pro-ban individuals are whiny little *****e-OH GOD NOT AGAIN
6Mizu said:
and quit the ****ing whining about MK.
And stop doing that ^ (in red)
Or YOU could stop
whining about people
discussing whining about MK. please? I don't think my face can take much more :[[[[
