Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

GooeyBanana · Feb 23, 2010

Kage, trust me, I looked back at that video and thought the same thing. Mini hangover johns for my first time drinking? Focus issues xD All the videos I uploaded that day had an edgehog error like that pretty much. Like for example, the FoD match vs. Fox, first stock I got shined spiked because I was thinking ledge hop dair, ledge hop onto the stage bair, and ledge hop backwards to knee him(which was obviously the worst choice and yet I followed through with it.......) at the same time.

Next time, I'll make sure not to fail so hard and let Falcon down =(

Afro_Chris · Feb 23, 2010

_marth1_ said:
who invented dropzone?

wasnt it ss? or at least he was the first to put it in a combo video

Roneblaster · Feb 23, 2010

GooeyBanana said:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you Falcons get moments at like 2:47 and then just rage knowing what could've been? I swear I was pressing forward to just get up to bair an unsweetspotted upB, but instead I guess my hands had other things in mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lTelPhiJvo

For some reason, Falcon looked like an absolute pimp after that wavedash in place to pivot grab. Makes me go back to watch it again and again xD

psshhh, i cant believe this scrub beat me. Its ok ill get my redemption @ SMYM.

So when you guys coming down to Evansville?!?!? You better get to planning, it better be no later than 1 month after SMYM.

xbombr · Feb 23, 2010

Hellsinglover999 said:
well you cant knee on reaction the reason it would get them is because it covers multiple options and usually raptor boost leads to a free knee or some other aerial(icantspeell) except if they cc it

I know this. Kage said you'd have to predict the failed tech to get them with it and I said if you could predict the failed tech, then you're better off just kneeing them. They can't mess you up with DI if you just cut to the chase.

BigD!!! · Feb 23, 2010

i dunno what the specific definition of dropzone is

if its dthrow run off knee, then i dunno for sure who was first

if its just comboing into the run off knee, then i saw it a lot before ss's combo video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJMvy_W_riE&feature=related last stock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evb-V4--Bsk somewhere in there

ss definitely made its popularity rise though

otg · Feb 23, 2010

BigD!!! said:
if its just comboing into the run off knee, then i saw it a lot before ss's combo video

I was always under the impression that it was this. Dthrow is just a vehicle that allows you to combo offstage. Isai has been doing this for years.

Roneblaster · Feb 23, 2010

sacred combos are where its at.

Or Stomp Dropzones. Too bad good people will meteor cancel them, cause they look SOOOOOOOOOO AWESOMEEEEEEEEEE

thumbswayup · Feb 23, 2010

Man I want to pull off stomp in the middle of BF (they DI it slightly right so they go over the right platform), to waveland grab dropzone knee. I don't even know if it would work but it seems possible lol

Nakamaru · Feb 23, 2010

If you can grab them at the tip of the platform you should be able to pull it off. Instead of trying to just dair them on the ground, try and do a nipple spike through a platform. Since people always miss DI on dair, and nipple spikes give you much better platform chase options.

ETWIST51294 · Feb 23, 2010

Discuss

Mogwai · Feb 23, 2010

I'm 90% sure that pic is already somewhere else in this thread. And if it wasn't this thread, it's in some other thread I'm subscribed to.

Roneblaster · Feb 23, 2010

one of the greatest cos-play moments in history?

Mogwai · Feb 23, 2010

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/02/23/funny-pictures-cat-smart-kitties/

is it a good or a bad that when I saw that I thought of:

Captain Falcon grabbing that cat, slamming it into the ground and then running off the stage and electrically kneeing it?

Roneblaster · Feb 23, 2010

wowow, thats so perfect.

You cant dropzone a cat though, theyre too nimble, theyd smash DI in and tech, then **** your face.

GooeyBanana · Feb 23, 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHzYgKFSzCw

Now Reneblade, judging by this video, the cat went straight after falling off the ledge/bed AKA it SDI'd upwards and away HARD. You'd just simply miss the knee if you tried to drop zone, and then the cat would activate its catnip powers and gimp you with a dair, then recover and taunt AKA do the kitty cat dance.

Mogwai · Feb 23, 2010

tubes · Feb 23, 2010

Reneblade said:
sacred combos are where its at.

Or Stomp Dropzones. Too bad good people will meteor cancel them, cause they look SOOOOOOOOOO AWESOMEEEEEEEEEE

If they meteor it that's when you double jump through the Falco's charging up-B and ROBO-COP!

GooeyBanana · Feb 23, 2010

^Now would you rather see that while you're trying to respawn, or Zelda's taunt instead?

That's what I thought, no matter how annoying Zelda's taunt is, it does not even come close to the terrible...ness that is the kitty cat dance.

PEEF! · Feb 23, 2010

tubes said:
If they meteor it that's when you double jump through the Falco's charging up-B and ROBO-COP!

I recorded and commentated that.

My first moment in Melee, and perhaps the finest moment I will ever have.

MK, so at VGBootCamp, I met ICG and he was not even that crazy or dumb. He actually isn't even that bad, for Pichu at least. He didn't make it out of pools though. I got 9th. Shonic and M2K are both weirder that ICG.

I have an honest question. When I grab at the very edge, wtf to do? I almost never go for the dropzone because everyone DI's it. If they do DI away, what can I do? My Falcon edgeguards suck so I want to do something legit.

Dynamism? · Feb 23, 2010

dropzone a Uair instead? What character, % etc in particular? Or just like everyone???
If it's shiek, uthrow knee for funny love? LOL

Since when did Cats get so freakin good? :O

Roneblaster · Feb 23, 2010

the cat metagame recently advanced greatly, so dont feel bad for not noticing.

Spencer, scoop an upair instead of dropzoning.

PEEF! · Feb 23, 2010

Reneblade, watch your post count.

**** only happens once in a lifetime.

ETWIST51294 · Feb 23, 2010

I'm teaming wit ICG at a tourny we're both at. Real Talk.

Roneblaster · Feb 23, 2010

i posted 1000 in the SMYM thread, all other milestone posts will be here in the falcon boards.

The Irish Mafia · Feb 23, 2010

Etwists you guys got this

Dynamism? · Feb 23, 2010

Falcon is too fast and complicated to play if you're not already a decently smart player...

But people get from bad to really good faster with him than using anyone else.

He's just too good. :O

AnDaLe · Feb 24, 2010

Dynamism? said:
Falcon is too fast and complicated to play if you're not already a decently smart player...

But people get from bad to really good faster with him than using anyone else.

He's just too good. :O

I'll second this. He helps you dashdance mind game a lot and helps make you use ur resources wisely. and makes u think fast too =)

Animal · Feb 24, 2010

Cfalcon is a fisherman. Fox is ur feeshhh. bait that ish

Roneblaster · Feb 24, 2010

woah its been 12 hours since some1 posted in the thread...for shame.

SonuvaBeach · Feb 24, 2010

Tips on falcon's vs IC's?

Trail has put enough **** on my sheik that I think falcon is my best chance. He just poops on my marth as well as most peoples because he just sees the openings and gets grabs, so that's not really an option

Falcon is the only where I can have a set where I feel I can hang due to his knee and speed

ChivalRuse · Feb 24, 2010

Tr3mor: Quoting myself on this one.

ChivalRuse said:
Dairing them over and over again works wonders. Then just knee Nana when she's high enough and she'll die.

If they shield, knee their shields. Often you'll shield stab Popo, and even if you don't, you can follow up with raptor boosts, and that will usually hit them out of their attempted counterattack.

Roneblaster · Feb 24, 2010

which is easier said than done of course. If you hit both of their shields you have significantly different L-cancel timing. I think doing moves into peoples shields is the worse possible thing to do as falcon, ESPECIALLY characters whose whole game is focused almost entirely on grabs.

unless you hit the backs of their shields, thats almost always safe.

all that being said I have no idea what to actually do, i've played ic's like in like 10 matches total.

SuperMatt · Feb 24, 2010

i think the goal is just to get nana off the stage and try as best as possible to edge guard whilest being attacked by popo

then popo is just like fighting a bad version of marth or something

i kept typing poop instead of popo

tubes · Feb 24, 2010

Reneblade said:
which is easier said than done of course. If you hit both of their shields you have significantly different L-cancel timing. I think doing moves into peoples shields is the worse possible thing to do as falcon, ESPECIALLY characters whose whole game is focused almost entirely on grabs.

unless you hit the backs of their shields, thats almost always safe.

all that being said I have no idea what to actually do, i've played ic's like in like 10 matches total.

basically, hit them once, and once you do, don't let them regroup. Also keep grabs to a minimum.

BigD!!! · Feb 24, 2010

forward b is good but dont do too much of it. just jump around, be a careful player, then just throw a knee or stomp at him then run away again. dont try to keep pressure on once its on, just hit and run instead

i dunno trail is a thug vs falcon, it'll be tough

MdrnDayMercutio · Feb 24, 2010

Even though it's old I feel like I should link to that Set ChuDat and Azen had way back.

Deleted member · Feb 24, 2010

Don't forward b the back of their shield or you will eat 2 b-airs unless you are confident you will hit them

if you forward b the front of their shield you are sorta safe since IC's have horrible grab range if they block but some like to wavedash out of shield to down-smash.

KNEE is the best shield pressure if you do it correctly but it needs practice since kneeing two shields has a different timing. The knee will push them just out of grab range. Then you can knee again. Not recommended if you suck at this since you will get grabbed if you suck and then get *****

KirbyKaze · Feb 24, 2010

Tr3MoR said:
Tips on falcon's vs IC's?

Trail has put enough **** on my sheik that I think falcon is my best chance. He just poops on my marth as well as most peoples because he just sees the openings and gets grabs, so that's not really an option

Falcon is the only where I can have a set where I feel I can hang due to his knee and speed

Be gay. Really, really gay.

ChivalRuse · Feb 24, 2010

Reneblade said:
all that being said I have no idea what to actually do, i've played ic's like in like 10 matches total.

You're ahead of me. I've played 0 Falcon vs Ice Climbers matches (as Falcon).

But from the IC's' perspective, side-b and dair are really gay and getting your shield kneed is frustrating because there's almost no way to punish it; plus, one of the Eskimos gets shield stabbed about 1/3 of the time -> separated -> kneed one or two more times -> dead.

I do my best to combat SH knees and stomps with nairs and utilts, but in the end it's just rock paper scissors because raptor boost > IC's' nair and utilt.

Fsmash beats Falcon's aerials and raptor boost, but if you guess the timing wrong or react too late, you get punished severely. X_X

TheManaLord · Feb 24, 2010

ic's get ***** by hit and run.

you don't need to be good at combos or super teched out. it's so easy it's like a 2006 matchup that has just been frozen ever since.

run at them with knees and stomps and just keep kneeing.

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