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It's completely different, because the game will not be better whether it has or doesn't have side-specials and down/upthrows. If you don't balance z-canceling, the game will be worse than if you did.
How can you say the game won't be better with side specials? They pretty obviously add competitive depth to the game and are, objectively, better.
More options doesn't necessarily mean better. It just means different.
I'm telling you the Smash 64 community doesn't know the first thing about designing a game, so don't go to them for advice on how to design one.
I'd love to know how you are defining "better" if you have come to that conclusion.
God are you thick.
More universally enjoyable.
Then why bother balancing it at all! You yourself have suggested drastically altering other elements of the game in the name of balance, but on this issue, you're as stubborn as a mule. And you call me thick.
So... You define "better" as something that is entirely subjective right after using it in an objective way ("the game will not be better whether it has or doesn't have side-specials and down/upthrows")
I support drastically altering things in the name of balance.
1. The goal of the game should be to provide enjoyment.
Why don't I know what I'm talking about? That's what I've been saying pretty much.
I think he was just saying all the people who don't know what they're talking about are hilarious.
NO. DON'T TAKE OUT DI.ghostbone said:
keep this in mind, thought i'd ninja this in here.King Funk said:
They actually are. Thanks for proving my point.
Your experience must be miniscule.
This is actually pretty much the case. Few characters in SSB64 actually have the ability to approach well, so in this case the character with a weaker approach is forced to defend.
If you read what I had said, I said that most of the time these throw combos from falcon and jigglypuff mostly lead to damage and not death.
The more you make things like brawl/melee, the less this becomes a Smash 64 2.0 and more like Brawl with lots of hitstun added to it.
That DI definition is applicable for both, so that's not what it is.
or just remap sideB special in fighter.pac to point to neutral b.
UltiMario's got it right.
I'll probably reduce it by a bit.
Givens.
Smash 64 players will *****. If they'll complain about removing SideBs or automatic Z-cancelling, they will ***** and moan to high heavens about this.
Legit.
Which one gets dropped? Banana peel is downB; do you lose the monkey flip or the pistol? I recommend dropping the monkey flip, because it only makes sense as a sideB.
I can't quite place it, but this seems iffy. Dunno what exactly it is...
This really does not fit as a neutral special due to its movement qualities. If you keep it, make it like a grab with solid range, not a big sliding move-and make it do very little in the air.
See Ganon, just that the move doesn't make sense without movement... Seriously, give him the blaster, and make it somewhat worthwhile.
Just like the others. From an aesthetic standpoint, it just doesn't make sense.
Ditch the whistle instead.
Aw come on, PK fire is so much better AND more useful. It could fit too.
Bad move, see above AND below.
/support
Two things: ew and no. Drill rush makes no sense as a neutral special. In smash 64, Tornado makes little sense, but at least is not explicitly directed in a certain direction. It's also a better move, and has a better design. I recommend just retooling tornado.
Let's hear it.
Does the move make sense as a normal B attack? How many of those have real movement? I count... uh... one in the whole game (pound). Furthermore, Fox's in 64, get @ me. People don't recover in smash 64. Maybe pikachu does, but that's a rarity. You just don't get hit.
So what?
THIS.
