How to beat Meta Knight's Tornado

lordhelmet · Mar 20, 2011

Apologies about some of the quick text and choppy editing, I made this video really quickly.

Some of the information that I left out is in the description (I'll be updating it, too).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qevpmjj9QUQ

If you know anything that I don't, please bring it up :3

Lionman · Mar 20, 2011

good info using a good texture

Zeallyx · Mar 20, 2011

Good sftuff, man.

lordhelmet · Mar 20, 2011

Lionman said:
good info using a good texture

I forgot I went Pink Falcon those games

Make more plz

Lionman · Mar 20, 2011

lordhelmet said:
I forgot I went Pink Falcon those games

Make more plz

im going to start a machinima tomorrow

lot of falcon textures here

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?ByUserID=8042#Type=Character%aptain Falcon%

PZ · Mar 20, 2011

You forgot to mention falcon punch but thats even less reliable then the less reliables.

but willz got this!

mlorenzo · Mar 20, 2011

F-smash, nair, jab can also break up tornado; however, nair is not really reliable and jab can only break grounded tornado. Awesome stuff Lordy.

This new upb is going to help a lot.

BigLord · Mar 21, 2011

Excellent video man. I actually loved the editing too, nice job

I actually never try countering MK's Tornado, I just wait it out and then punish the ending lag. Guess that with this video things will change :D

NeoBatou · Mar 21, 2011

I was testing Captain Falcon's Utilt against Tornado and I saw what it can do, but I'm really used to just shielding and punishing the ending lag I don't get a chance to really try it out.

Lots of Mk players in Texas know how to nado me at the right time, I guess it's when they do it randomly is when I'll execute some of the tactics in your video.

We appreciate the help Lord Helmet. It'll definitely go to great use for me.

Hey Pyscho Ace, do you plan on going to the next Phase? Denti and I are hosting our new Fort Worth Revolution tournament this coming weekend and I really want to see you there man. It'll be nice to do some ditto's and to get some personal advice/tips from you.

Psychoace · Mar 21, 2011

Is slaps running the phases now? That would be more likely for me and my buddy to attend. This weekend is no bueno for us, it's his birthday and his girlfriend is throwing him a huge *** party. Other wise I would totally be there I miss talking to Denti lol.

lordhelmet · Mar 21, 2011

Of course MKs that really know how to abuse nado will make it very hard for you to punish.

With the "discovery" of me finding out Up-B beats it I was just like "I'm gonna make a ****in' video".

Lionman · Mar 21, 2011

lordhelmet said:
I forgot I went Pink Falcon those games

Make more plz

I remembered i did a victory theme for captain falcon kamen rider joker

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=17533

BigLord · Mar 21, 2011

I also "discovered" something else, lordhelmet. In brinstar and Castle Siege, if you sweetspot-knee the columns or the statues when there's a MK-Nado nearby, guess who goes flying due to the extended hitbox?

(plus, the columns in brinstar make for great edge-guarders if you use them this way)

Global Gaming · Mar 22, 2011

Willz Says:

Willz Combo

NO JOHNS N00B! GET *****!

BigLord · Mar 22, 2011

LORDHELMET WE NEED SOME WAY TO BEAT MK'S NEW INFINITE NOW! STAT!

we're screwed/tornadoed.

mlorenzo · Mar 23, 2011

sdi the hit.

Psychoace · Mar 23, 2011

That's the only real hope. Except if he reads it he can roll and catch up.

lordhelmet · Mar 23, 2011

All of the setups are easily avoided or teched. Only one I would worry about is uair -> footstool.

BigLord · Mar 23, 2011

What about the dtilt-lock? Is that avoidable?

*in desbelief*

NeoBatou · Mar 23, 2011

Psychoace said:
Is slaps running the phases now? That would be more likely for me and my buddy to attend. This weekend is no bueno for us, it's his birthday and his girlfriend is throwing him a huge *** party. Other wise I would totally be there I miss talking to Denti lol.

Slaps is still running the Phase tournaments, but I don't know of any details on the next one.

If this is a successful tournament (which it will be because it's attracting Denton, Fort Worth, Dallas, Euless, and other areas) we'll be doing it more often and it'll give you a chance to experience the next one.

Oh yes there will be Street Fighter and other old school games like Ape Escape and stuff, Im' bringing it as side entertainment. I can't just play brawl all day I'll get bored...plus I bought Dissidia 2 so I'll be super busy :D

Player-3 · Mar 23, 2011

you can sdi the dtilts and get out of it

still a good lock though

Zeallyx · Mar 24, 2011

What if you SDI towards MK..

BigLord · Mar 27, 2011

That would a valid escape, specially when you're near the ledge and he needs to roll towards you. Thanks.

(I'm not likely to encounter any MK using this, but thanks anyway lol)

CaptainFalcon9000 · Apr 16, 2011

i already destroy the face of meta knight players, but know that you discovered another way to best MK it will be worse for those cheap MK players.

A.K.A i´ve also discovered that with frame delay, you can sweetspot the knee on a enemy that moves towards you while you´re kneeing someone else at same time (and captain falcon final smash can take out 2 stocks from any oponent at same time on mushroomy kingdom)

BigLord · Apr 16, 2011

(What the hell is frame delay?)

One problem with your theory, man: you're not supposed to be able to hit an enemy and hit another at the same time... unless you're playing teams. Also, Captain Falcon's Final Smash is too good, no ATs required to use it

CaptainFalcon9000 · Apr 18, 2011

BigLord said:
(What the hell is frame delay?)

One problem with your theory, man: you're not supposed to be able to hit an enemy and hit another at the same time... unless you're playing teams. Also, Captain Falcon's Final Smash is too good, no ATs required to use it

oh, my bad it´s called "Freeze frame" also know as "impact stall" you can hit another guy that goes towards you with a sweetspotted knee if you´re already kneeing someone, the bromel is if that other enemy is really near you, it´s something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CHMuXNtOSE

yet that´s also called "active hitbox" and BTW there exist a term called "frame delay" http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Frame_delay

CaptainFalcon9000 · Apr 18, 2011

is there a way to neutralize his tornado in mid air? or you just need to run the **** out while MK is using his tornado in mid air?

PZ · Apr 18, 2011

The vid should be self explanatory and one the boards frame delay is called hitlag I think.

If the vid didnt answer ur question utilt and suprisingly falcon punch work wonders but does are the only two ik of. Sounds like you still nubbing in the game so any mk you face aint any good.

BigLord · Apr 18, 2011

9000, I don't think you understood me. I meant that abusing hitlag + knee works a LOT better when you consider brinstar's gooey columns, instead of, you know, another opponent.

Having another opponent to hit (easily) is pretty impossible in a 1v1

and we're still discussing 1v1s (duels), right?

lordhelmet · Apr 18, 2011

Guys, stop ****ing feeding him you're actually making me upset.

BigLord · Apr 18, 2011

Weren't you a newbie too at some point in your life, lordhelmet?

lordhelmet · Apr 18, 2011

I was an ignorant **** but I wasn't a bad troll.

Zeallyx · Apr 19, 2011

Lordhelmet was the cutest noob

ignorant to the bone<3

CaptainFalcon9000 · Apr 19, 2011

BigLord said:
9000, I don't think you understood me. I meant that abusing hitlag + knee works a LOT better when you consider brinstar's gooey columns, instead of, you know, another opponent.

Having another opponent to hit (easily) is pretty impossible in a 1v1 and we're still discussing 1v1s (duels), right?

oh i get it, still you don´t totally need to be kneeing someone else to do the freeze frame thing because it also works with some items that can be knee´d, one day i was having a 1vs1 with my friend david but he loves smashballs so we put them on, i sweetspoted the knee on the smashball at same time he jumped towards me and ended up being trapped in the extended hitbox.

BigLord · Apr 19, 2011

lordhelmet, don't hate on the guy, at least he's bringing more activity to this board, lol.

Yeah 9000, that (by coincidence) happened to me yesterday too, in a FFA. It's a known fact. But you misunderstood me again: brinstar's columns ALSO extend the hitbox. As do Castle Siege's statues, too.

In layman's terms: when you connect Falcon's knee/fair, the electrical special effects also extend the hitbox, and if you're lucky you may hit something else.

(the keyword here is -lucky-. You simply can't include that into the metagame because it's so damn hard to do on purpose)

In any case it's good to know that at least you're playing 1v1s now, hehe.

CaptainFalcon9000 · Apr 19, 2011

BigLord said:
lordhelmet, don't hate on the guy, at least he's bringing more activity to this board, lol.

Yeah 9000, that (by coincidence) happened to me yesterday too, in a FFA. It's a known fact. But you misunderstood me again: brinstar's columns ALSO extend the hitbox. As do Castle Siege's statues, too.

In layman's terms: when you connect Falcon's knee/fair, the electrical special effects also extend the hitbox, and if you're lucky you may hit something else.

(the keyword here is -lucky-. You simply can't include that into the metagame because it's so damn hard to do on purpose)

In any case it's good to know that at least you're playing 1v1s now, hehe.

haha, i wasn´t mean to include it to the metagame, i just wanted to point that out, and it´s kind of funny to think about it:

falco: ZOMG! SMASH BALL!!! *flies to it*

C.falcon: *sweetspot knee to the smashball*

falco: what dah...? *gets caught in hitbox* *lost a stock*

*3 seconds later*

C.falcon: COME ONE! BLUE FALCON!

falco: *lost another stock*

falco player: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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