Secondary characters for a Falco main?

ruhtraeel · Jan 17, 2012

So I play mostly Falco, but I switch to an (overly)technical Fox against Falco, Doc, probably Jiggs and maybe Marth.

I also sometimes play Falcon against Ganon, and I have a pocket G&W.

Should I work on a Marth? Would it be a legit secondary? I used to play Marth Falco back when I was learning advanced techs, but I dropped Marth cause he seemed too boring (I even played Roy more as a secondary). I watch Ice and people play and when I watch Marths like him, the attacks they choose are obvious, but when I'm playing, it seems like I don't make the best attack choices and I sort of go autopilot, something that I didn't do while I was learning.

Is a Falco/Fox combination fine if I just play smarter? How is learning a Marth?

CK Momentum · Jan 17, 2012

I guess the thing you really want ot ask yourself is, why would you want to play a secondary? LIke, just playing it for the sake of it is really a losing proposition. If you think "wow my falco sucks hard vs. marth", consider picking up sheik, since most people consider sheik a better character in the matchup. Just arbitrarily learning a secondary for tournament purposes is like, (this is all my opinion so don't sweat it if you disagree), but for me, it's not putting my best foot forward. If I wanna beat someone badly, I'm always gonna go falco. We're like inseperable brothers.

Blistering Speed · Jan 17, 2012

Virtually all Falco's matchups at the top of the tiers i.e. Marth, Sheik, Puff, Peach, Ice Climbers and Fox (the bolded I don't agree with, but it's definitely viably arguable) are even matchups or close to it. So, while you don't need a secondary, there may be utility in picking someone who has a solid advantage vs some of these. Fox immediately comes to mind vs Puff, Peach and ICs, and Puff comes to mind for Marth, Sheik and Peach. Puff would also be useful here because of her inherent trait of being less technically demanding.

1337h4xx0r · Jan 17, 2012

The most important thing is for you to pick a secondary you have fun with. You would have to practice with it to maintain your tech skill with your secondary, and if you're not having fun, your growth with the character would be much slower.

ruhtraeel · Jan 17, 2012

Like I find Falco to be hard to play against a lot of people, like Marth, Puff, Doc, and floatier people. I can see why Fox is just a better character, but if I have some trouble with Falco, I dunno if switching to my generally mindless overly technical Fox would help.

This is why I am thinking of another secondary that would cover the stuff I have a hard time against as Falco, like Marth.

I go G&W vs IC's, but almost nobody plays IC's in my city

Puff just doesn't seem to be a great character IMO, and I think I would have to main her to do well.

Sheik is sort of taking the easy way out -_-, and I probably wouldn't have much fun playing her.

FrootLoop · Jan 20, 2012

falco doesn't need secondaries
if you find a matchup hard for falco, you probably don't know the matchup since he doesn't have any awful matchups
I don't think switching from falco would make any matchup so much easier that would merit taking time away from practicing falco and causing indecision during tournament sets.
No matter who you play, the better player will probably win, but the bird is the word.

Dr Peepee · Jan 21, 2012

Fox is always a great secondary because he can make the floaties easier to fight and I'm of the opinion that he can't be CP'd.

Marth is also a great secondary because this stagelist is awesome for him.

Deleted member · Jan 21, 2012

going to fox will only solve fringe match-ups that you're having problems with, and only with players of equal or less skill level than you.

IMO level up your falco more.

ruhtraeel · Jan 24, 2012

Umbreon said:
going to fox will only solve fringe match-ups that you're having problems with, and only with players of equal or less skill level than you.

IMO level up your falco more.

My point is that if I need to work ridiculously hard to get a bit better at matchup, when (for what matchups) would it be worth it to just pick a different character and save the effort to put into something else

FoxLisk · Jan 24, 2012

ruhtraeel said:
My point is that if I need to work ridiculously hard to get a bit better at matchup, when (for what matchups) would it be worth it to just pick a different character and save the effort to put into something else

his point is, none.

Avalancer · Feb 13, 2012

Pichu.

But srsly having secondaries makes your primaries bad :o

KirbyKaze · Feb 13, 2012

Green Falco is a good secondary to default Falco because it feels like you're playing a character that's like Falco but more stylish.

More serious answer: Falco as a character doesn't need a secondary to be competitive and in general you'll benefit more from leveling him up rather than switching because it builds character. And by "character" I mean character familiarity, a broader skillset, and probably a more adaptive mentality. Most people that switch characters off a top tier for competitive purposes, IMO, tend to have really set playstyles. When they encounter something their playstyle can't beat, rather than modify it or learn more, they switch characters so they can use a different rigid playstyle with their new character.

I feel this kind of thing stunts growth and leads to low player depth.

That said, if you want a secondary simply because you want to try something new then I recommend any of Fox, Marth, and Sheik. They're great against just about everything in the game and whatever they're not good against (ICs for Sheik, Sheik for Marth, etc) Falco can beat anyway because he's Falco. So yeah. Two of them have the added bonus of being playable with fewer button inputs.

Deleted member · Feb 13, 2012

Dr Peepee said:
Fox is always a great secondary because he can make the floaties easier to fight and I'm of the opinion that he can't be CP'd.

Marth on FD is worse for Fox than any of Falco's matches.

Niko45 · Feb 13, 2012

Depends what type of matchup you are struggling with as Falco. If you're struggling with Fox then Marth would be really good for example. If you're struggling with floaties then sheik or fox are great. You just have to make sure you can fight something like ICs or Jiggs with Falco before you use Marth or Sheik.

ruhtraeel · Feb 13, 2012

I have trouble against Marth (jesus christ this matchup is unbelievably hard for me), Jiggs, and Doc with Falco. Those are the cases where I switch to Fox. But Marth just seems like such a good character O_o

Deleted member · Feb 14, 2012

ruhtraeel said:
I have trouble against Marth (jesus christ this matchup is unbelievably hard for me), Jiggs, and Doc with Falco. Those are the cases where I switch to Fox. But Marth just seems like such a good character O_o

ban FD more.

bair better.

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profit.

Bones0 · Feb 16, 2012

KirbyKaze said:
Green Falco is a good secondary to default Falco because it feels like you're playing a character that's like Falco but more stylish.

More serious answer: Falco as a character doesn't need a secondary to be competitive and in general you'll benefit more from leveling him up rather than switching because it builds character. And by "character" I mean character familiarity, a broader skillset, and probably a more adaptive mentality. Most people that switch characters off a top tier for competitive purposes, IMO, tend to have really set playstyles. When they encounter something their playstyle can't beat, rather than modify it or learn more, they switch characters so they can use a different rigid playstyle with their new character.

I feel this kind of thing stunts growth and leads to low player depth.

That said, if you want a secondary simply because you want to try something new then I recommend any of Fox, Marth, and Sheik. They're great against just about everything in the game and whatever they're not good against (ICs for Sheik, Sheik for Marth, etc) Falco can beat anyway because he's Falco. So yeah. Two of them have the added bonus of being playable with fewer button inputs.

Why are you so good at articulating things?

That is basically why I try to play my secondaries vs. as many matchups as I do my Falco. Like I would like to be able to use my Marth to cp spacies to FD, but if I am practicing Marth and someone switches to Sheik I still just focus on that matchup because I know it can help my Marth improve in general.

KirbyKaze · Feb 17, 2012

Bones0 said:
Why are you so good at articulating things?

It's mostly magic.

Tee ay eye · Feb 20, 2012

KirbyKaze said:
Falco as a character doesn't need a secondary to be competitive and in general you'll benefit more from leveling him up rather than switching because it builds character. And by "character" I mean character familiarity, a broader skillset, and probably a more adaptive mentality. Most people that switch characters off a top tier for competitive purposes, IMO, tend to have really set playstyles. When they encounter something their playstyle can't beat, rather than modify it or learn more, they switch characters so they can use a different rigid playstyle with their new character.

I feel this kind of thing stunts growth and leads to low player depth.

one of my favorite posts ever

V · Feb 21, 2012

Dual spacies is probably the most solid main and secondary in the game.

BairJew · Feb 22, 2012

Puff seems legit. Not much technical skill needed. Just learn the matchups your struggling with, a few tricks, Practice your DI. Then get work done.

SSBM_or_GTFO · Feb 24, 2012

Use whoever you wish but Captain Falcon is mandatory. Captain Falcon must be a part of every ones character repertoire.

ruhtraeel · Feb 27, 2012

SSBM_or_GTFO said:
Use whoever you wish but Captain Falcon is mandatory. Captain Falcon must be a part of every ones character repertoire.

Falcon is pretty easy to use for people who play space animals

FoxLisk · Feb 28, 2012

ruhtraeel said:
Falcon is pretty easy to use for people who play space animals

that is so not true for me it's not even funny. my falcon is a complete disaster

King Funk · Feb 28, 2012

SSBM_or_GTFO said:
Use whoever you wish but Captain Falcon is mandatory. Captain Falcon must be a part of every ones character repertoire.

Don't know what I find sillier. Your post, your username or the combination of both.

unknown522 · Feb 29, 2012

Jiggs

Warhawk · Feb 29, 2012

unknown522 said:
Jiggs

I kinda agree with this. While most people say Fox and while the similarity is nice, picking up a character that's way different as a secondary can help free your play style from getting too set in one way and rigid. Maybe more as a secondary to practice and do friendlies with than use competitively, but I still think having to learn the different tools from trying different characters can help come up with new and different strategies with your main.

Strong Badam · Feb 29, 2012

Falco has no bad MUs, why pick up anyone else

Wizzrobe · Feb 29, 2012

You could just secondary fox since he has similiar moveset.

Although, it doesnt really matter who you secondary no matter what the character you play is.

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