The Akuma Jump

xDD-Master · May 12, 2012

Hey guys!
So when I was playing yesterday I accidently found a new AT, at least I never heard of it or saw it before!

So, here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_xWEe3Qr18

It explains everything, but if you got any questions feel free to ask!
You should start trying it with Snake, as he probably has the most visible effect compared to his other Jumps. And then going over to your own character(s).

I would love to see what other characters may get out of this, as I mostly tested stuff with Snake, but I'm sure some other characters might also get some interesting applications for it

If this already is known then I'm sry, but I never saw someone doing this before and I heard about it either o.o
And if its not known I have a theory why noone found it so far: Simply the fact that most characters dont get much of a difference anyway and the Snake not jumping much AND that this is a setting that just doesnt happen very frequently.

And btw. I just named it Akuma Jump as this is my mostly known nickname, and well, I found it, and didnt know how to call it lol
(I had other names before I finally found out how this technique actually really works)
Maybe we should call it Weird Jump? Stupid Jump? XD
Idk.

And also pls dont complain about the quality, thats all I can get

Greetz, Akuma!

E:

Snake as seen in the video (Best application of all characters probably)

For Falco its interesting!
He can directly jump from from BFs middle platform to high platform.
(Short Hop not high enough, FJ and DJ go TOO high to pressure good!
He can AJ-Dair/Bair to Jab/grab as a good pressure!

With Peach I always go into float ^^

With Luigi he gets a jump that goes DIRECTLY from BF platform to the other near to zero lag with dair! .___.

Samus can also get better from Platform to Platform now on BF! Use of AJ instead of SH.

MK gets a smaller jump than DJ. Seems handy. You can retreat pretty well with on a platform.

For Ice Climbers its interesting!
You can get that Nana will land EXACXTLY on the platform with her jump and popo stays below! New Desynch technique lol (Very risky and probably useless though :/)

Jigglypuff gets a jump that has a high nearly to that one of her last jump :O
She can now transfer BF platform in a VERY quick jump with the perfect distance!
I can see this being useful for Jiggs mains :o (Everything helps to make a ****ty character better!)
Could also help a bit at edgeguarding :>

ZSS gets a high thats put her directly on BFs highest platform from the side platforms!

For DDD you get at least a very cool Jump that lets you immediatelly Dair PERFECTLY! (You Auto Cancel RIGHT before he lands, with DJ / SH you are longer in the air and could easlily jump or something, with AJ there is no time inbetween the Dair and landing xD)

For other characters you seem to get nothing "special" (extremely low jump for example or see below)

I ONLY TESTED IF THEY CAN GET ON TO THE HIGHEST PLATFORM BETTER/QUICKER OR TO THE OTHER PLATFORM. BOTH STARTING FROM THE MIDDLE PLATFORM!

IMPORTANT: I DIDNT INCLUDE SPECIALS INTO MY TESTS! IT COULD BE THAT SPECIAL WILL AD SOME MOMENTUM SO THAT ITS ENOUGH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!!

I ALSO DIDNT TEST ANY LEDGE TRICKS!

Sunnysunny · May 12, 2012

I'm gonna rage so hard if he can float like peach with those aerials!
Well, i've never seen it before, but I could be wrong. Nice find. Looks like it could be pretty decent platform technology.

infiniteV115 · May 12, 2012

Great find, great video.

Seagull Joe · May 12, 2012

Holy ****! This AT could make

even BETTER.

Hmmm...I wonder if this could be useful with

's Dair and blaster.

I think you should rename this the "Ghost edge AT"

Life · May 12, 2012

Best way to spike someone? I think yes. Looks like the dair is naturally slow-fall too.

Sunnysunny · May 12, 2012

So question.
Because it seems like the Akuma jump messes up momentum, have you tested on lucario D-air? Just curious to see if it counter acts how it stops momentum. A falling d-air off platforms would be god like for him.

Teehee. Akuma jump. How awesome does it feel to name a technique? :D

Life · May 12, 2012

^The best part is the confusion that will result from Akuma not being in this game. (the character versus the player)

MEOW1337KITTEH · May 12, 2012

What happens with stall-then-fall moves like sonic's and gnw's dair? Or stall ones like fox's Shine and ROBs dair?

Life · May 12, 2012

^I'd assume they work the same way as if they were shorthopped (since this is basically just a really low SH). Don't have the time to go play with this myself though.

Flayl · May 12, 2012

So this is like the edge-cancelled jump but it does this mini floaty thing instead of a full jump. Weird. Nice find.

lordvaati · May 12, 2012

I'm curious how this works with glides or Peach.

infiniteV115 · May 12, 2012

This was pretty hard to do when I tested it out, but maybe I just suck :\

Oh well, it doesn't matter for the characters I play :D

Rickerdy-doo-da-day · May 12, 2012

lordvaati said:
I'm curious how this works with glides or Peach.

I am 99% sure Peach can't do this because the inputs are the same as setting up a Float. Don't have my Wii on me atm but considering the requirements, Peach shouldn't be able to do this - she should just go straight into a Float

Can't believe it never even crossed my mind to try out 'Floating' with other characters...a very nice find

XLR8TION · May 12, 2012

WTF?!

nice find lol.

DeLux · May 12, 2012

Probably should be in gameplay tactial imo

xDD-Master · May 12, 2012

First I think akuma jump is just an additional jump high. It always has the Full Hop Animation!!!

Now a List of stuff I tested with characters not in the vid.

I mostly test new BF platform options, if its just a high change and nothing special like a float!

For Falco its interesting!

He can directly jump from from BFs middle platform to high platform.
(Short Hop not high enough, FJ and DJ go TOO high to pressure good!
He can AJ-Dair/Bair to Jab/grab as a good pressure!

I will test Lucario and Peach now

E:

With Peach I always go into float ^^

For Lucario nothing speacial.

He can now jump from one platform to the other on Battlefield, with SH he cant reach it, with full jump he goes WAAAAAY high.
It doesnt mess up with dair or something.

E2: With Luigi he gets a jump that goes DIRECTLY from BF platform to the other near to zero lag with dair! .___.

Orion* · May 12, 2012

Seagull Man said:
Holy ****! This AT could make even BETTER.

Hmmm...I wonder if this could be useful with 's Dair and blaster.

I think you should rename this the "Ghost edge AT"

I don't see how it would benefit mk more than other characters. What's he gonna do that he can't already do ? dair or sl is about the bread/butter of it.

nothing to get your panties in a not over

nice find akuma

i never heard of this

Iridescent said:
Probably should be in gameplay tactial imo

does it really matter that much?

xDD-Master · May 12, 2012

Samus can also get better from Platform to Platform now on BF! Use of AJ instead of SH.

MK gets a smaller jump than DJ.

For Ike its pretty much the same as SH.

Fox is very similar to SH.

Kirby nothing special.

Bowser nothing.

Diddy nothing.

Sheik nothing.

Link nothing.

Pit nothing.

//E1:

For Ice Climbers its interesting!

You can get that Nana will land EXACXTLY on the platform with her jump and popo stays below! New Desynch technique lol (Very risky and probably useless though :/)

//E2:

Jigglypuff gets a jump that has a high nearly to that one of her last jump :O

She can now transfer BF platform in a VERY quick jump with the perfect distance!
I can see this being useful for Jiggs mains :o (Everything helps to make a ****ty character better!)
Could also help a bit at edgeguarding :>

Tesh · May 12, 2012

Hmm, pretty cool. It looks like maybe the game thinks you are still on the ground and allows you to start a shorthop while you are fast falling off the ledge. Interestingly enough, alot of platformers allow you to walk off of cliffs then ground jump.

If this theory is correct...
-would that mean you can still RAR (jump backwards) doing this?
-will MK and other multijump characters be able to platform cancel this jump?

xDD-Master · May 12, 2012

ZSS gets a high thats put her directly on BFs highest platform from the side platforms!

So I think I tested all the characters now...

So everyone that isnt listed: I either couldnt get it done for them or I just could find anything that gives them new options to cover with, beside a sligthy smaller SH or DJ.

PZ · May 12, 2012

Tesh said:
Hmm, pretty cool. It looks like maybe the game thinks you are still on the ground and allows you to start a shorthop while you are fast falling off the ledge. Interestingly enough, alot of platformers allow you to walk off of cliffs then ground jump.

If this theory is correct...
-would that mean you can still RAR (jump backwards) doing this?
-will MK and other multijump characters be able to platform cancel this jump?

Yes and you can wavebounce and b reversal too
Just like you said the game seems to treat it like a sh so why not platform cancel it?

O I just tried this with falcon and that has to be one of the safest bairs ive ever seen cuz you instantly grab edge right after dishing out the attack this AT is amazing ledge play!!!
Brings tears to my eye to see a similar version of melee falcon's short hop...

xDD-Master · May 12, 2012

You cant RAR it, because you cant turn around in the air.

At least I couldnt get any RAR action with this

Tesh · May 12, 2012

Well that explains why Snake gets the boost. Fair makes him lighter (just like Fox) so its just a low boosted short hop for him.

Ness has an AT that lets him slide off of platforms backwards, I guess he should be able to combine both.

xDD-Master · May 12, 2012

Tesh said:
Well that explains why Snake gets the boost. Fair makes him lighter (just like Fox) so its just a low boosted short hop for him.

Ness has an AT that lets him slide off of platforms backwards, I guess he should be able to combine both.

I'm gonna test this

E: OK how does this reversed thing work with Ness? I'm gonna test with Pits Up-B cancel.

E2: I think it doesnt work with Up-B cancels for some reasons, when I tested it I couldnt get anything special :/

But maybe thats just me, as the input has to be done pretty quick and its not easy at all. Timing + Execution :3

Gonna test other character know too.

Tesh · May 12, 2012

With Ness if you run to a ledge and PK fire right before you run off, it will cancel because the ground version can't become and air version the way most specials can. You can also spin the pk fire around so you are facing backwards as you slide off.

I just got it to work, but overall I guess Bair is too slow to really matter that I got it a few inches lower.

xDD-Master · May 12, 2012

So you get still get that lower jump after a side-b cancel?

I know that you can return b-reversed side-bs... I just couldnt get it with ness for some reasons (normally I can -.-) but with Pit I could, but immediat jump+dair just leads into a normal DJ with no special jump high or something...so I guessed you cant akuma jump after edge cancels... but maybe im inputting the jump too late, idk :s

Tesh · May 12, 2012

*shrug*

With Ness I guess its kind of cool that you can run off of a platform then SH Fair back towards it, since his double jump is so freaking high.

Seagull Joe · May 13, 2012

Too hard to do.

#HBC | Scary · May 13, 2012

Any differences for Zelda?

GimR · May 13, 2012

I just watched the video and I can think of a lot of applications

Nicholas1024 · May 13, 2012

Agreed, I could see this actually being used in tourney. Any chance we might get a metagame minute about some of these potential applications?

Supermodel From Paris · May 13, 2012

Funny thing, your character almost always makes a soudn when they do this correctly

Anyway I tried it with ZSS and it just looks like her SH performed at such a perfect angle and position that she lands on the top platform. If there's a difference it's very small.

Vkrm · May 13, 2012

Do it werk in projekt m's? sorry my anglish. I am Denmark. So many grammer problems. I am Denmark.

xDD-Master · May 13, 2012

Supermodel From Paris said:
Funny thing, your character almost always makes a soudn when they do this correctly

Full Hop Sound.

Supermodel From Paris said:
Anyway I tried it with ZSS and it just looks like her SH performed at such a perfect angle and position that she lands on the top platform. If there's a difference it's very small.

*FH
And yeah I already have this in the OP

I will probably make a video about what the characters get from it :D

Ralph Cecil · May 13, 2012

Would this be easier if you set a trigger button to jump so you don't have to claw or whatever? o-o

PEACE7 · May 13, 2012

Awesome find going to do some testing with Marth :D

Orion* · May 13, 2012

Seagull Man said:
Too hard to do.

just stick to cstick mashing wolf main :troll:

Ruinn · May 14, 2012

orion* said:
just stick to cstick mashing wolf main

oooooooooooooo seagull take that

TreK · May 14, 2012

I wish I had a wii to test this right now x)
Siiiiick discovery Akuma. You get a cookie.

Plus it sounds like it would be super easy to do for a stickjumper, which I am.

Zankoku · May 14, 2012

Moved to Gameplay and Tactical.

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