C-tap DI, new DI technique?

Ich Bin Awesome · May 7, 2008

I'm not sure if this is something new but I was practicing my DI against zelda's up smash (which i seem to be a magnet for) and I noticed I can survive much longer against this attack if I use normal DI to the side and continuously TAP the c-stick down. Here's the breakdown against zelda's up smash with no charge:

1. No DI = died at 110%
2. Side DI (the right in this case) = survived till 120%
3. Side DI + tapping c-stick down = survived till 140%

If it's new great, if not, well atleast more people now know. Also, if anyone else has any tips on living longer please share.....

note: I already know that not taking damage and avoiding attacks helps my chances of surviving, thanks

Azgner · May 7, 2008

Well, I have heard of it, i think it was in since melee. Very useful.

Popertop · May 7, 2008

do you know how it operates?
what makes it different from normal DI?

Ark098 · May 7, 2008

interesting. whats your c-stick set to?

Ich Bin Awesome · May 7, 2008

Popertop said:
do you know how it operates?
what makes it different from normal DI?

The difference I notice is that it allows you to pull yourself away from the attack a bit while it is in action (test it out if that doesn't make sense so you can see what I'm talking about)

Ark098 said:
interesting. whats your c-stick set to?

My c-stick is set to smash attacks

J4pu · May 7, 2008

What's the percent you die at when you DI down normally and air dodge?
since that is the current standard for DIing as far as i know

Popertop · May 8, 2008

Oh, Smash DI.

Crooked Crow · May 8, 2008

Yeah, using the c-stick gives you automatic-smash DI (ASDI).
In Melee, I thought DI-ing down against vertical attacks like Fox's u-smash didn't do anything =/ So you would have to go more to the side..
Is that different in Brawl?

Doval · May 8, 2008

ASDI is gone. This is Smash DI. It's not exactly common knowledge but it has been known for a while.

And no, it's not any different in Brawl - normal DI is still ineffective in the same or opposite direction of the attack. It always works at an angle, with the max change in angle occuring if the analog stick is perpendicular to the attack's knockback.

Pmac · May 12, 2008

Can anyone confirm if setting your C-Stick to specials interfere with the way the game reads DI from the C-Stick?

soloSHADOWROB · May 15, 2008

J4pu said:
What's the percent you die at when you DI down normally and air dodge?
since that is the current standard for DIing as far as i know

Explaining myself
you cant DI down but by pressing down on the c-stick while DIing you will survive much longer =]

massimo009 · Jun 8, 2008

just wondering because im having trouble finding a only DI post, what is DI and how do you do it?

Drab Emordnilap · Jun 8, 2008

DI is directional influence.

All it is is, when you get hit by an attack, you press a direction on the analog stick in order to move your momentum in a different direction.

ES Lite · Jun 8, 2008

thats interesting, does it work with all the other characters in brawl?

KratosAurion192 · Jun 8, 2008

Lite. said:
thats interesting, does it work with all the other characters in brawl?

Smash DI is universal. Though I'm not certain if one character can DI better than another in Brawl (I'm prety sure there is a difference)

Ark098 · Jun 8, 2008

do you have to smash perpendicular to your trajectory before you're sent flying? or does the influence kick in as you hit the analog stick during any point of your flight?

ES Lite · Jun 8, 2008

KratosAurion192 said:
Smash DI is universal. Though I'm not certain if one character can DI better than another in Brawl (I'm prety sure there is a difference)

I think it depends on the weight on some characters. In melee, link can live for a long time, as to jiggypuff can live until 90%. Maybe it works the same way in brawl.

KratosAurion192 · Jun 9, 2008

Lite. said:
I think it depends on the weight on some characters. In melee, link can live for a long time, as to jiggypuff can live until 90%. Maybe it works the same way in brawl.

It's either weight or just their natural DI. I'm not one to go that in depth with the game, but the tactical discussion board is bound to have your answer.

TwinTurbo · Jun 9, 2008

wow, ive been DIing opposite to the knockback for years...holy **** im stupid...and this smash DI is interesting...thanks! this will probably help me in the tournament im going to today...

Lord Aether · Jun 16, 2008

Yeah I've been doing that too, it's a habit I should snap out of lol

Skarmbliss · Jul 17, 2008

Just to let you know. Today i played a game against someone with an Uber DI. His Game @ Watch managed to suvive Snakes foward tilt move at 176% and took place at Final Destination. It was sick and I dont know how he did it.

4Serial · Jul 17, 2008

Probably because the snake was spamming f-tilts the whole match and brawl has that lame diminishing attacks system.

Deez. · Aug 13, 2008

WoW never knew that. so hit the joystick and the c-stick in same direction or... wat?

qmann28 · Aug 17, 2008

If I have my C-stick set to "Attack" rather than "Smash", will this still work?

NintenJoe · Aug 17, 2008

qmann28 said:
If I have my C-stick set to "Attack" rather than "Smash", will this still work?

why? and to answer your question, doubtful.

qmann28 · Aug 17, 2008

NintenJoe said:
why? and to answer your question, doubtful.

I've had my C-stick set to "Attack" for awhile just because I'm horrible at doing tilts.

Let me see if I have a handle on how this works. If you're sent flying upward, you do normal DI to the side and you tap the C-stick down right? Does that mean if you're sent flying to the right, you DI upwards and tap the C-stick left?

NintenJoe · Aug 17, 2008

qmann28 said:
I've had my C-stick set to "Attack" for awhile just because I'm horrible at doing tilts.

Let me see if I have a handle on how this works. If you're sent flying upward, you do normal DI to the side and you tap the C-stick down right? Does that mean if you're sent flying to the right, you DI upwards and tap the C-stick left?

Yes, that would be correct. To check and see if setting the C-Stick to attack changes this feature, do what Ich Bin did. Go into training mode against a Zelda and see what percentage you die at when she uses Usmash.

Finns7 · Aug 17, 2008

It was wierd one time when playing against zelda I got out of it.

qmann28 · Aug 17, 2008

Finns7 said:
It was wierd one time when playing against zelda I got out of it.

You got out of her usmash? Maybe you weren't all the way in during the first hit or something and you were able to DI out of it.

Finns7 · Aug 17, 2008

Yeah It was a while ago and I prob did not get in it fully. Idk I gotta test it out.

Deleted member · Aug 18, 2008

qmann28 said:
You got out of her usmash? Maybe you weren't all the way in during the first hit or something and you were able to DI out of it.

........you get out of it with smash DI......

smash di works during hit stun and only in hit stun im pretty sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NvNyH748zg

4Serial · Aug 18, 2008

you mean hit lag lol
there is no hit stun in brawl
hit lag is like... falcon's knee, zelda's f-air/b-air, marth's tippers, a lot of smash attacks, etc.
it's basically a few frames where you are hit in the attack and if you input DI while it happens, your DI is really strong

Deleted member · Aug 18, 2008

yea thats wat i meant lol

qmann28 · Aug 18, 2008

ArkiveZero said:
........you get out of it with smash DI......

smash di works during hit stun and only in hit stun im pretty sure

Okay, this is going to sound really noobish, but isn't smash DI what the OP was talking about with the C-stick? I thought you can only do that in the air.

NintenJoe · Aug 18, 2008

qmann28 said:
Okay, this is going to sound really noobish, but isn't smash DI what the OP was talking about with the C-stick? I thought you can only do that in the air.

Its not noobish, its a completely legitamate question. When you're Usmashed by Zelda, you will be in the air, therefore, able to smash DI out of the move.

qmann28 · Aug 19, 2008

Alright, I finally got around to testing this and unfortunately for me, setting the C-stick to attack makes you lose your smash DI.

On "Attack," I died at about 120%, which is the same as just normal DI.

But when I tested it with B-sticking, I died at about 125%. So I guess B-sticking is a little better than just normal DI.

4Serial · Aug 19, 2008

Holding your control stick in a direction = normal DI
Holding c-stick in a direction (set to smash attacks?) = automatic smash di (ASDI)
Slamming/hitting/quickly moving the control stick while you're in hitlag = smash DI

you do NOT have to be in the air in order to DI.
you can DI/ASDI/smash DI hits when you're grounded like if you get hit by Marth's f-smash.

CJTHeroofTime · Sep 6, 2008

qmann28 said:
Let me see if I have a handle on how this works. If you're sent flying upward, you do normal DI to the side and you tap the C-stick down right? Does that mean if you're sent flying to the right, you DI upwards and tap the C-stick left?

Wait, so you normal DI perpindicular to the knockback and smash DI against the knockback?

Yoshi Kirishima · Sep 30, 2008

Hmm some of this is unclear to me, but I know that in terms of ONLY the 'normal' DI, the best way to survive against a horizontal launcher attack is to hold diagonally upwards and towards the stage. (so, if u're being launched horizontally to the right, u hold diagonally left-up)

4Serial · Sep 30, 2008

That's one way, you can go completely up too + using c-stick to go into the stage helps
but brawl broke a rule that melee had with DI
you can DI with the control stick INTO the stage with the c-stick and the knockback on what hit you goes a little less.

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