Glitch - Super Secret B-Stick in Brawl

Jewdo · May 8, 2008

I don't know if anyone else has found this, but this made me laugh so hard when I discovered it five minutes ago.

Everyone remembers the B-Reversal, right? Of course you do*. Well, this makes use of the same late-input principle.
*if not, I won't tell anyone. ^ ^

- Super Secret B-Stick in Brawl
How to Perform: Press B to initiate a neutral B. Before the animation begins (immediately after pressing B), smash up, down, left, or right on the C-stick.
Effect: Character does NOT do their neutral B, but their Up, Down, or Side-B, depending on which direction you pressed on the C-stick.

I haven't detected any advantage at all to this, but I thought I'd share anyway.

*Edit: Testing has proven that there is absolutely no advantage to doing specials this way. No startup or post-attack lag is diminished, no canceling frames exist, and no new opportunities for directional specials opened up. You can B-reverse with the Super Secret B-stick with slightly later timing than that described above. Super Secret B-Reverse has no benefits either, but is still a good laugh.

everlasting yayuhzz · May 8, 2008

Mindgames?!?!

Mike_Echoes · May 8, 2008

Can u wavebounce doing this?

Juggalo · May 8, 2008

Mike_Echoes said:
Can u wavebounce doing this?

Somebody test this out and answer. o.o

Jewdo · May 8, 2008

Haha. I don't think it has any mindgames potential since the change occurs before the animation even starts. More testing is needed, of course, but I believe that it maintains all of the properties of a normally-performed B-move. It could probably be B-Reversed, Wave-bounced/Recoiled, etc, but doing any directional special with this method is so impractical, why would you? ^ ^

*Edit: testing confirms zero benefits to this technique. See top post for details.

Earthbound360 · May 8, 2008

Wow, this is hard to do, but cool.

Looks like now you can even press B first to do a special. the burref system in brawl has really improved.

TheManaLord · May 8, 2008

The buffer system in brawl sucks. Do you know what a buffer system is?

Fire! · May 8, 2008

Everything was slowed down to help with the

4 ways to play

This can be expected

Vyse · May 9, 2008

^So True^

10char

Vro · May 9, 2008

So you're saying the C-Stick will override button inputs if set to the same button...

Jewdo · May 9, 2008

Close, but not quite. The C-stick doesn't override button input, but acts as an alternate method of directional input. In short, C-stick directions can be used in place of joystick directions, but with much tighter timing. Still, it's highly impractical, unless you have an extremely modified controller or three thumbs.

JJ259 · May 9, 2008

Jewdo said:
Close, but not quite. The C-stick doesn't override button input, but acts as an alternate method of directional input. In short, C-stick directions can be used in place of joystick directions, but with much tighter timing. Still, it's highly impractical, unless you have an extremely modified controller or three thumbs.

Oh no! the three thumb'd people are finally taking their place as the masters of all videogames involving controllers. (they already took over guitar hero)

CorruptFate · May 9, 2008

It could be used to stop fast fall of peoples down b Pits comes to mind.

Aminar · May 9, 2008

Couldn't it be used to Do a forward B move while DIing back, or do retreating B moves?

sxiz · May 9, 2008

Non-fastfalling VBs is possible I guess.

Wind Owl · May 9, 2008

This would probably be pretty useful for Snake's bomb jump if you could get the timing down.

adumbrodeus · May 12, 2008

Sounds like this could allow you to wavebounce with default configuration, can this be tested?

giuocob · May 12, 2008

JJ259 said:
Oh no! the three thumb'd people are finally taking their place as the masters of all videogames involving controllers. (they already took over guitar hero)

Three thumbs wouldn't help at all with Guitar Hero...

Machiavelli.CF · May 19, 2008

its just like using (controll stick/b) its not used for anything!

Earthbound360 · May 19, 2008

LOLNOT!

Check out MY thread and my views on this

Taymond · May 21, 2008

You can already Recoil Special in the default config, adumbrodeus.

And Jewdo, are you sure this isn't just... doing directional specials with the C-Stick? You know you can do that, right? Just press B and the C-Stick in a direction and you get a directional special. There's probably a number of frames which the two inputs can be apart and still register, rather than just one frame, which is impractical in the extreme.

I don't see any marvel here. If this is as I described, then no, this does not present any easier way to Recoil Special without B-Sticking. The already existing way is just as good/fast, strictly speaking.

Dr Phil xX · May 21, 2008

i guess its not so super secret anymore eh?

Jewdo · May 21, 2008

Guess not. ^ ^

@Taymond - it probably is just late-input frames for C-stick+B specials. The time frame for inputting the Super Secret B-Stick is just a few frames (anywhere from 1-3; I'm not quite sure) after pressing B, and the effect is the same as pressing B and the C-stick simultaneously. Oh well. I had a good laugh at it, regardless of the cause. Also, you're right - there is no advantage to using this technique. I just saw a fairly stupid bug and thought I'd share it with the community.

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