fail logic. Ganon has no reliable way to get Falcon to approach, meaning Ganon has to approach Falcon. C what I did thar, cir?!?
Actually, that's not correct, I adressed that previously. He forces approach in the same way that Marth does, by having a move he can safely spam at a certain spacing. Falcon is either forced to retreat (in which case, Ganon just advances, rinse repeat, If he keeps retreating, at a certain point he has to go either over or under ganondorf, both of which are bad positions, because Ganondorf has two extremely powerful aerials, Dair and Uair. Falcon has no answer to either) or approach.
Of course Ganon has to get the spacing, but at greater distances neither has the advantage, and there's no vulnerability inherent in getting that spacing. To make the spacing closer, Falcon has to commit to an approach, and since he has no tools to make Ganondorf back off the only option he has is to back off himself, creating a progressively worse position.
First of all: Ganon doesn't "shine" anywhere. Besides Why should Ganons defense be better than Falcons?
Actually he does, he's got perhaps the most damaging true combo in the game (auto-canceled dair to upsmash), as well as many other high damage, high knockback options.
His problem is really that he doesn't have the tools to really take advantage of that.
As for his defense being better, higher priority, higher damage, better coverage, and the simple fact that Falcon's defense is pretty much useless in this match-up because of dtilt's safety against him.
Falcons uair beats most Ganons aerials as it is faster and has equal range. Nair stops Ganon from approaching
Most, doesn't beat out dair (which is important). Also it doesn't beat his ground game. Really the only time you'll see ganondorf in the air in a position where uair is useful is on the follow-up game. Hence Falcon's advantage in that department. Grounded, Ganon's defense game kills it and it's unsafe.
Nair doesn't outrange dtilt, that's all the approach ganondorf needs.
Ganons Recovery doesn't move further than Falcons...on the contrary. It'S also easier to gimp - especially on stages like FD...
It's slower in moving, but the attack at the end gives it a little boost, which makes them about equally bad.
Furthermore, with Ganon's much better dair, being gimped is gonna be a lot more of an issue for Falcon.
Same can be said about falcon, strawman
His point was that good ganon's will take advantage of Ganon's moves without lag instead of depending on the laggy ones, uair, bair, and Dair are all lagless from short-hop. First and last the major moves used by Ganondorf players. Regardless, we know that Falcon's follow-up game does win over Ganon's, but this match-up has no reason for a protracted aerial battle, and the fact that Ganondorf's ground game wins over both Falcon's ground and aerial means there's no reason for Ganondorf to leave the comfort of the ground except for follow-ups and gimping.
Not really. KOing Ganondorf is easier than KOing Falcon
Gimping Ganondorf is in general somewhat easier because of his larger frame and slower aerial drift. But with his higher weight, flat-out killing Ganondorf is a lot hard. Not to mention that Falcon can't safely throw out kill moves in this match. Actually, he can't safely throw out anything.
Ganondorf on the other hand, can poke with a kill move...
And for him every move is a kill move (minus jab), except flame choke which true combos into a kill move.
No Falcon's far more KO-able in this match-up.
I did see what you did
, and you're correct. Ganon doesn't have a reliable way to force Falcon to approach, but my point is that Falcon doesn't have as solid of defensive game, and Falcon is built for approaching. He has a n-air wall but that's about it, and n-air can be cut through with Ganon's u-air. Ganon is about getting inside and spacing, while punishing retaliation and landing.
Yeah he does... dtilt is safe in this match-up remember?
Think like a Marth (yeah, how ironic for Ganondorf...)
The whole idea is to force him to approach beyond that spacing and punish one of his (all punishable) approaches).
