Match-Up Discussion #33! Ganondorf

Steel · Oct 7, 2008

Ganondorf

Go ^_^

Shaya · Oct 7, 2008

Ganondorf = **** off with your dash attack.

70:30, bye bye.

Steel · Oct 7, 2008

80:20 imo shaya.

that's how ganon boards have it too

Shaya · Oct 7, 2008

Fine, but I still say **** off Ganon's dash attack ;_;

e__ · Oct 7, 2008

Ganon?

Lol.

80-20. I don't really have to explain this one.

Remzi · Oct 7, 2008

70:30

You have:

-Much more speed
-Better range
-Better stage control
-Better Recovery
-Better Gimping Ability

Gdorf:

-Can kill you at really early percents
-Flame choke can result in massive damage
-Some surprisingly quick attacks
-Overall good range, just not as good as marth's

Doomblaze · Oct 7, 2008

75:25, take your guys average.

If the ganon is good with flame choke, you will take surprisingly large amounts of damage, and if the ganon manages Dair you off the edge, it is hard to recover... (but of course, the chances that could happen are very small).

Ganon doesnt have very much in this match up at all
His This IS SPARTA kick has some halfway decent range, but thats what your dtilt and ftilt are for.
You beat him on the ground and in the air, and you can punish almost every single one of his moves with a shield dropped dancing blade.

You wont be seeing this matchup much in the first place because of the advantages marth has over ganon.

e__ · Oct 7, 2008

Lol, think before you post, e__.

It's something I should do

feardragon64 · Oct 7, 2008

75:25 just cause he's heavy and there's a crappy, but existing, chance you won't 3stock him because he has knockback >>

Browny · Oct 8, 2008

dont you guys think you are rushing through these matchups too fast? what is it now 3 a day or something, you havent really given the other character boards an opportunity to discuss it before youve moved on :/

Swordplay · Oct 8, 2008

Okay pierce.....

If you want to claim 9:1 here go ahead. I might agree. I'm thinking 80:20 or 85:15 myself......

feardragon64 · Oct 8, 2008

djbrowny said:
dont you guys think you are rushing through these matchups too fast? what is it now 3 a day or something, you havent really given the other character boards an opportunity to discuss it before youve moved on :/

They're not closed. We'd love for more input. But it's more efficient to get multiple threads up. Marth boards don't mind discussing multiple threads at once. For example, we're still getting posts in link thread, while pk thread is getting a few, and this one is open. =]

Mmac · Oct 8, 2008

I suggest playing someone like Zeonstar or Kosk first. they will make you think twice if you underestimate him. Trust me, Ganondorf isn't really that much of a cakewalk as you think it is...

Then again, you guys are Marth....

undyinglight · Oct 8, 2008

I main as Marth and secondary with Samus and Gannon. I am prety confined to just Marth and Samus in tournament, I know how tough it is to play Gannon. This one is 80:20 in favor of Marth. Gannon's recovery is so horrible, and thus can be edgeguarded very easily by Marth. Gannon has very little going for him in this match-up.

Sgt. Baker · Oct 8, 2008

I'm actually a Ganondorf main with Marth and Sheik as my secondaries.

I say 75:25 or 80:20 Marth still though. Although Ganon is the man with the almighty "Boot" he just has too many bad things for him. And Marth just has too many good things :chuckle:

But don't think Ganon is a pushover. Good Ganon users will abuse his surprise D-Tilt range and Neutral A and can Thunderstorm and Tech-Chase with Flame Choke very easily. I will also say that I've gotten a few over-confident, edgeguarding Marths though with a Ganoncide or two lol.

But still, I'll give Marth the advantage here.

Steel · Oct 8, 2008

You really need to be careful if he lands a side b on you.

Make sure you are unpredictable with it, if he predicts you he will either side b again or stomp on you for a possible kill. Though he may just side b > dtilt.

Pierce7d · Oct 8, 2008

Eh, I'll let the sideB tricksies push this to 80:20. I cosign on that. All in favor?

Hype · Oct 8, 2008

if he is side Bing you on stage like theres no tomorrow roll towards the edge. He wont want to Side B near the edge and risk killing himself.

This to watch out for.

- On norfair he can side B into the lava, kill you, and survive.
- On pirate ship he can side b from off stage on the left side, grab you with side B, pull you though the floor then have you hit the front on the ship, and then survive.
- just keep away from these levels completely.

80:20 it's Ganaondorf

Steel · Oct 8, 2008

Hype said:
if he is side Bing you on stage like theres no tomorrow roll towards the edge. He wont want to Side B near the edge and risk killing himself.

This to watch out for.

- On norfair he can side B into the lava, kill you, and survive.
- On pirate ship he can side b from off stage on the left side, grab you with side B, pull you though the floor then have you hit the front on the ship, and then survive.
- just keep away from these levels completely.

80:20 it's Ganaondorf

I just said to not be predictable with it >_> Keep doing that and he will punish.

Desire · Oct 8, 2008

60:40 jsut because Ganon hav THE sexiest spike.

Darxmarth23 · Nov 8, 2008

99.9 to 0.1

enough said

feardragon64 · Nov 8, 2008

Darxmarth23 said:
99.9 to 0.1

enough said

Thank you. That was a ridiculously useful bump. Game changing stuff right there. I'm so glad you refreshed a one month old topic to let us know that. Anything else you'd like to add?
...
*not in a good mood*

Edit: I mean I'm not in a good mood because this board has been spammed so much lately. I'm probably over-reacting to everything, but still, my point still holds. =\

Darxmarth23 · Nov 8, 2008

jeez. sorry! ain't in a good mood either.

∫unk · Nov 8, 2008

does marth's get up attack beat side b -> jab?

¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯ · Nov 8, 2008

feardragon64 said:
Thank you. That was a ridiculously useful bump. Game changing stuff right there. I'm so glad you refreshed a one month old topic to let us know that. Anything else you'd like to add?
...
*not in a good mood*

Edit: I mean I'm not in a good mood because this board has been spammed so much lately. I'm probably over-reacting to everything, but still, my point still holds. =\

These Boards are pissing me off with all this **** spam, god people, read the stickies or get out. And don't bump 2 month old threads that have already run their course.

Lukenessmonster · Apr 13, 2009

ive played an amazing ganon plenty of times. its definitely not 60-20. if you get a perfect marth vs a perfect ganon, itll be around 70-30

Remzi · Apr 13, 2009

Lukenessmonster said:
ive played an amazing ganon plenty of times. its definitely not 60-20. if you get a perfect marth vs a perfect ganon, itll be around 70-30

Personal experience doesn't tell us anything. Give us reasons why the ratio should change, or some video evidence or something. Just coming in saying that our matchup ratio is wrong isn't going to help anyone.

BacklashMarth · Apr 13, 2009

Lukenessmonster said:
ive played an amazing ganon plenty of times. its definitely not 60-20. if you get a perfect marth vs a perfect ganon, itll be around 70-30

If 60 + 20 = 100 now then something dramatic must have changed in the matchup to where ganon loses half of the 40% advantage he once had.

Punishment Divine · Apr 13, 2009

BacklashMarth said:
If 60 + 20 = 100 now then something dramatic must have changed in the matchup to where ganon loses half of the 40% advantage he once had.

Or a third party has arrived!

KRiMz0N · Apr 13, 2009

i agree with lukeness monster, it's absolutely not 60:20. that's impossible

illinialex24 · Apr 13, 2009

I like this matchup but its not insanely easy, but its definitely a good advantage.

Spade1 · Apr 13, 2009

Lukenessmonster said:
ive played an amazing ganon plenty of times. its definitely not 60-20. if you get a perfect marth vs a perfect ganon, itll be around 70-30

60% marth

20% ganon

20% ganon L+R+A+B Start.

Steel · Apr 13, 2009

Tone down the spam about his typo, keep it on topic.

I still think its 80:20, maybe 75:25.

Vitamin_x · Apr 13, 2009

75:25
Ganon can't approach.

Remzi · Apr 13, 2009

I'd agree with 75:25. Overall, Marth controls Gdorf so easily and limits his options to almost nothing. But Gdorf is insanely strong and can punish hard if you make a mistake. He also has a relatively easy time spiking Marth (at least compared to most characters) due to predictable recovery. His ftilt and dtilt are quick and strong, but lose out to Marth's sword in terms of priority. Flame choke can be swatted away, but makes for a good punisher and can be devastating if he predicts how you will get up. He also has a surprisingly strong platform abuse game, so if he gets you on one, expect to take some blows.

Again, if Marth spaces well and doesn't take any unnecessary risks, it's an easy win. But I don't think it is so bad that it warrants an 80:20, 75:25 seems a bit more accurate.

Kishin · Apr 13, 2009

Can Marth spike Ganon out of up+b? Or perhaps second jump D-air spike after up+b? Dolphin slash? Anything besides F-air?

Doomblaze · Apr 13, 2009

The timing is really hard, but ive spiked ganon out of his up-b before
granted, 4/5 times ive just eaten his up-b, but its possible

Kishin · Apr 13, 2009

Doomblaze said:
The timing is really hard, but ive spiked ganon out of his up-b before
granted, 4/5 times ive just eaten his up-b, but its possible

Hmmm, I think a video confirmation is needed. I've tried it a couple times but could never get it right. What are the specific percents for this and is there anything special you have to do for this?

I know this sounds like it should be in the Q&A thread but I thought it would benefit everyone more by posting it in this thread. If I was wrong to do so then I apologize.

illinialex24 · Apr 13, 2009

At higher percentages you can hit through it. He has almost no hitstun in it. Its percentage based I believe.

ZHMT · Apr 14, 2009

Just keep attacking Ganon and he cant do anything...

The only thing to notice is, dont up b because punishment can mean a stock if you miss.

Jab *****, fair *****, dtilt, and he dies offstage...I dont see any more need to discuss this matchup

Can Ganon even punish a shielded jab? I KNOW he cant punish a shielded dtilt. How fast is his forward b anyways?

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