Fox Discussion Thread

JigglyZelda003 · Jan 13, 2009

well fatties are combolicious though so they may be forced to take the 40+ sometimes.

Lightning93 · Jan 13, 2009

marsulas said:
Any player that isn't ******** in the DI department won't let you put more than 40 on them.

Maybe... but then how does that explain how I can get at least 47% each combo? And that's WITHOUT the follow up. Obviously everyone I play can't be DI ********.

And really it's not too hard, because even if the combo ends early I can still follow up 80% of the time because my opponent is so close.

Riku00 · Jan 18, 2009

if your someone who takes pride in landing combos i would recomend Fox to you.

NeverKnowsBest · Jan 19, 2009

I had a blast playing on Wi-Fi with Iblis and Rookie. I found out that the 3 of us all think VERY SIMILAR! We all usually started are matches off the same, Short Hop Lasers were thrown out or we always tried to start off some sexy PWG chains. Fox is too good. I think Rookie has some serious getting back to the stage skills. I was amazed at the angles he hit. Iblis wishes he was as sexy as me =(D.

Lightning93 · Jan 19, 2009

Lol I want in on that. Any chance all three of you guys will be on all at the same time again?

Fenrir VII · Jan 19, 2009

As do I... I'm available to play some nights...

Shintarru · Jan 19, 2009

I 3rd that lol I really need to play other good foxes to see how I compare.

KheldarVII · Jan 19, 2009

I could say lulz wifi and lulz wifi dittos to prove something but hey, why ruin anyone's fun.

JigglyZelda003 · Jan 19, 2009

Kheldy why not join in on the fun too? lol
i wanna play the other Foxs too, i've only play Light, Monkey, and Ibly.

Lightning93 · Jan 19, 2009

Wifi is our only means of interaction Fox community. I suggest we use it. I'm going to add all of you to my friends list, if you aren't already.

NeverKnowsBest · Jan 19, 2009

I basically added everyone who posted here. Look forward to playing you all. I'm on now.

KheldarVII · Jan 20, 2009

My Fox is garbage, don't play me.

NeverKnowsBest · Jan 20, 2009

KheldarVII said:
My Fox is garbage, don't play me.

No ways! You play me later today!

Sorry for not getting you the PS doc for your sig. My friend's screen name who has the doc is Kironus just tell him you know me.

Lightning93 · Jan 20, 2009

Well me and monkey took up the Fox challenge. And what resulted was EPIC. I am uploading the videos as I write this.

NinjaFoxX · Jan 20, 2009

sadly im 100% offline(i dont have a wii anyway) if only you guys lived in vegas-.-
we could only like chat on AIM or somthhing.

i do play with FzeroX sometimes though

Fenrir VII · Jan 20, 2009

OK I added the following people to my brawl friend list:

Monkey
Lightning
Iblis
Kheldar
Jiggly Zelda
ShinTarru
Rookie
Marsulas
NeverKnowsBest

If I added you and you ever want to play me, hit me up on AIM at tmeleeguy, ok?

A few things to note... I will not be using these as any sort of ranking system, or proving grounds for Fox... I don't really care how I stack up against anybody on wi-fi, so nobody should feel bad for playing me or something...
I would kinda appreciate the same courtesy...

I really dislike lag, but I'll try to play anybody.

I am hardly ever on... so good luck catching me, but when I am on, it'd be a lot of fun to play.

Conviction · Jan 20, 2009

I took the Fox challenge it was azaming results and I'm learning more things still. =D

Shintarru · Jan 20, 2009

Fox challenge??

JigglyZelda003 · Jan 20, 2009

Fenfen will fatten up on my lag cakes lol

Lightning93 · Jan 20, 2009

Lol did anyone check out the vids of me and monkey yet? I left em on the video archive for Neverknows to add.

JigglyZelda003 · Jan 20, 2009

let me go look at those

Dxkid · Jan 21, 2009

I just saw your matches Light and they were epic

ill like to brawl you one day or anyone here on the board

Lightning93 · Jan 21, 2009

Lol I wouldn't mind brawling anyone, I always have fun playing any dittos, no matter the outcome!

bribri123123 · Jan 22, 2009

Fox is one of my mains...

goldemblem · Jan 24, 2009

contribute to the thread don't post random stupid things >_>

Fox is pretty versatile and has an ability to combo, also he get's an Usmash to kill for sure around 100%

see? that is a contribution

Lightning93 · Jan 24, 2009

Unless of course you are posting common Fox knowledge that does not apply for all character matchups.

Fox has a heck of a time combo-ing Luigi due to his massive priority. Fox's versatility is taken away too, because he must stick to simple hit-and-run tactics that build damage at a slower rates. In fights against heavier characters such as DK, I've hit them around 120% with a fresh upsmash, and with proper DI they still won't die, plus the fact you usually have to chain into it instead of using it as your approach.

What people tend to overlook about Fox is his shine, sure you can't wavedash it now... but it's still a very reliable gimp move unique to Fox. It stalls him, giving easy recovery for Fox, and a hard time for the opponent. Plus, it is a unique move that can be used over and over again. Not many characters get as many chances to land an easy spike, except for Metaknight's Dair and ROB's Fair lol.

Of course this is all known in the macthup thread, which is more serious, but this is general Fox discussion and I think it's important to know whether a player mains Fox or not, and where we can possibly help improve their gameplay.

This is just a minor warning to prevent future flaming, I know I'm being a bit of a hypocrite, but instead of saying "why did you post and waste this space?" You might want to consider asking, "oh great you main Fox! How is your ability with him? Would you like some dittos, here are some threads designed to improve your gameplay!" Because seriously, isn't that what the Fox boards strive for?

MAH BOI!

Dxkid · Jan 24, 2009

I should have done that when I first came to the boards

Conviction · Jan 25, 2009

Fox's Jab?

I see Fox's jab can be used as a frametrapper (let me finish Zhamy

) I have been messing around and I noticed that most people can't react fast enough or it's a frametrap. Well we already know that Dair to Jab is a true combo. Nair isn't a true combo but works just as well...... Plus most moves don't come out faster than 4 frames so.... Jab(x2)>Shine is a good frametrap. I'm starting to think that the Jab can become a good part of his Metagame. Jabx2 is reconmended if you think they're to far away.

(As what I think are Frametraps)
Frame Trap Combos I have used:

SH Nair FF>Jab(x2)>Shine

SH Dair FF> Jab(x2)>Shine

Jab(x2)>Shine

Jab(x2)>Grab (should be known)

SH Dair FF>Jab(x2)>Grab>Dthrow>FH Fair

SH Dair FF>Jab(x2)>Grab>Fthrow

SH Nair FF>Jab(x2)>Grab>Dthrow>FH Fair

SH Nair FF>Jab(x2)>Grab>Fthrow

Jab(x2)>Dsmash (underrated)

All the Dsmash strings are the same as the jab>grab minus the grabs and throws

Tell me what you guys think and if any of things work for you or if some one could make sure my frame data skill (which are really questionable) is correct.

Zeton · Jan 25, 2009

xIblisx said:
I see Fox's jab can be used as a frametrapper (let me finish Zhamy ) I have been messing around and I noticed that most people can't react fast enough or it's a frametrap. Well we already know that Dair to Jab is a true combo. Nair isn't a true combo but works just as well...... Plus most moves don't come out faster than 4 frames so.... Jab(x2)>Shine is a good frametrap. I'm starting to think that the Jab can become a good part of his Metagame. Jabx2 is reconmended if you think they're to far away.

(As what I think are Frametraps)
Frame Trap Combos I have used:

SH Nair FF>Jab(x2)>Shine

SH Dair FF> Jab(x2)>Shine

Jab(x2)>Shine

Jab(x2)>Grab (should be known)

SH Dair FF>Jab(x2)>Grab>Dthrow>FH Fair

SH Dair FF>Jab(x2)>Grab>Fthrow

SH Nair FF>Jab(x2)>Grab>Dthrow>FH Fair

SH Nair FF>Jab(x2)>Grab>Fthrow

Jab(x2)>Dsmash (underrated)

All the Dsmash strings are the same as the jab>grab minus the grabs and throws

Tell me what you guys think and if any of things work for you or if some one could make sure my frame data skill (which are really questionable) is correct.

I've known about the frame trap combos for quite some time, these do work, but it really depends on how the opponent DIs and what character the player is using. One thing about fox I know though is that with his speed you can pretty much combo 1 attack to another. So where this info is pretty accurate there are many variations on what you can do before, after, or even between these combos.

(Ex: SH DAir>Jab(x2)>Ftilt or DTilt>SH Illusion Fox (pref. short Illus. so you can have a good placement on what you can do next depending on you spacing.) and after this you could probably pivot wave grab them because they will probably shield to defend themselves.

lol I Guess what I am trying say is fit fox with the right tech. for each character or situation.

Lightning93 · Jan 25, 2009

Yeah me and monkey noticed you can even crouch cancel your jab(x2) and lead it into another, then grab. I think it depends really on the player and character your fighting than it is combos, but honestly I am glad Iblis brought this up. I've noticed that after jabs my opponents seem to stall a bit.

Conviction · Jan 25, 2009

=D I'm happy to be of service Light. I'm here to help and learn.

Zhamy · Jan 25, 2009

let me finish Zhamy

Hahahaha. I love the jab; I seriously do. People will fall for the oddest frame traps, and if you do it correctly?
They guess right: Spacing resets.
They guess wrong: Eat damage.

crifer · Jan 29, 2009

yeah i really like jab...

a question that I ask myself:
So do fox and luigi cover all matchups well???
just curious bc samboner plays both and said something like that.
Discuss!

JigglyZelda003 · Jan 29, 2009

Fox and luigi? hmm idk

Zhamy · Jan 29, 2009

So do fox and luigi cover all matchups well???

Not well, but Luigi fares decently against Fox's **** matchups.

Lightning93 · Jan 29, 2009

I main Fox and second Toon Link, I should go check that out. I don't see why it wouldn't be good to discuss characters that complement Fox.

SnowballBob33 · Jan 29, 2009

I used to main TL for a while, but then switched to fox cuz i liked his speed and combos. Then i had sum bad or annoying matchups so I picked up wolf who is nice, for ppl like jiggz, kirby, mk, lucario, ness, lucas, zss, pika, shiek, yoshi, and sonic. most I have only played online though so idk.

JigglyZelda003 · Jan 29, 2009

i main whats listed in my Sig, so you can meddle arouns in there and see what works lol

Lightning93 · Jan 29, 2009

Hmm... I like the Peach... and the Shiek... but I also want to keep TL.

Fox Is Openly Deceptive · Jan 30, 2009

Hey guys. You don't know me. I ditched the Fox boards a while ago and went to the Toon Link boards because TL is my secondary.

Anyway I'm really into testing and figuring out anything new (half the reason why I left). I really like what this thread is trying to do and I just want to let you know it has my full suport.

I'll let you know if I figure out anything new for Fox thats worth reporting. So far I haven't found anything exept that you can get more horizontal recovery if your higher up and you cancel the Fox Illusion about half way. The reason for this is if you don't cancel the Fox Illusion, at the end of it Fox will fall straight down for a second or so before he can DI towards the stage. But if you cancel it, you get to DI straight away. I know, it's not much, I can only see this being helpfull if you jump out to kill someone and you need that little bit extra to get back on stage.

But as I said I'll let you know if I figure out anything new and usefull. (feel free to let me know if anything I say is known, that way I'll get closer to finding something that isn't known)

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