Falcon Moveset Discussion: summaries coming soon

teluoborg · Mar 25, 2009

Well everything has been said about this move I guess, just two trivial things to be noticed :
-Falcon's Utilt has so much range it outranges lucas Fsmash.
-mix it with the up-angled Ftilt (faster to come out, and hits most of the aerial approaches)

Man of Popsicle · Mar 25, 2009

Utilt>Other tilts.
It helps a lot, punishes spot dodgers, etc.

t3h n00b · Mar 25, 2009

teluoborg said:
Well everything has been said about this move I guess, just two trivial things to be noticed :
-Falcon's Utilt has so much range it outranges lucas Fsmash.
-mix it with the up-angled Ftilt (faster to come out, and hits most of the aerial approaches)

Like you said, we pretty much have everything for utilt, but your information was good. So, ftilt is actually the next move to discuss, I'll have it up in half an hour

Spoonbob · Mar 26, 2009

Ftilt...another sorely underused move on my end because I forget about it so much. I honestly know like nothing about it. But I do have a question: can a downward tilted ftilt (lolwut) cause a trip?

t3h n00b · Mar 26, 2009

Spoonbob said:
Ftilt...another sorely underused move on my end because I forget about it so much. I honestly know like nothing about it. But I do have a question: can a downward tilted ftilt (lolwut) cause a trip?

Yeah, ftilt is the current move to be discussed, the utilt discussion was great and I'll try and summarize what you guys said in the first post soon. I personally like ftilt in place of a jab when a bit too far away for it to hit, say after a retreating FF nair. As for whether it trips or not, I really don't remember but I'm pretty sure someone will know. If not, I'll test it next time I play. Also, I wasn't sure if the ftilt lock should be discussed here, like it is good to know that it exists, but would you guys prefer it was discussed here, or in its thread?

eRonin · Mar 26, 2009

I think I'm going to try to start using f-tilt as an approach, how does it fare against projectiles, can anyone tell me?
Well since it has its own thread, I think you can just discuss it there, but when it comes to summarising, you can add a bit of it into here... yeah =D

LuLLo · Mar 26, 2009

I really just use it when my jabs don't cover the range and I want my opponents to back off. Other than that, I don't use it, I think it's only good for refreshing other moves and keeping your game a little less stale. Not my favourite move.

Zeallyx · Mar 26, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
Ftilt:
Recommended usage: Limited/Mixed into ones jab game
Uses:
- spacing.
As Ftilt has quite some reach, and comes out quite fast (compared to falcons other moves) it is a good move to use when further away from your opponent.
- Punishing opponents who DI out of jabs.
- To rack up damage and keep your killing moves fresh.
Combo's including Ftilt:
- Ftilt lock (very situational, keep in the back of your head, but dont rely on it)
- Fist hit Nair>Ftilt (better options are present, recommended not to use)
- Flubbed Fair>opponent trips>Ftilt (better options are present, recommended not to use)
Other info: Ftilt is a good move to hit enemys further away, and to keep your Utilt (and other kill moves.) fresh. And unstale them, if needed, too.

/Ftilt

10/Ftilt's

Ville · Mar 26, 2009

I often do the Ftitl angled upward by accident and it sucks immensely vs. kirbys etc.

I'd always prefer a Dtilt/Utilt/jab to Ftilt.

RjPunch · Mar 26, 2009

ftilt is a good spacer that can create an opening

Darxmarth23 · Mar 26, 2009

F-tilt is flexible; versatile.

Again, walk.

illinialex24 · Mar 26, 2009

I don't like this move, I, however, really like D-tilt and U-tilt. Really just a shield poke but for some reason, unlike where I really like it as Falco, it just doesn't feel right on Falcon.

Face124 · Mar 26, 2009

Shouldn't we have an archive of previous ones? like, the previous moves, the pages the discussion was on, and good quotes that sum up the move well. Possibly we could make an accurate Falcon moves tier list after we've done them all.

F-tilt, Its a good 'get away' move, and I find its good you use while edge-guarding; good knock back (to get them off again) and fairly quick. I never work this into my jab game, I find its best at the sweetspot, at his feet. Its very quick when tilted down or up (IASA frames I think), but obviously, less range. Tilt locks are cool but very inapplicable.

Darxmarth23 · Mar 26, 2009

Its almost a situational move. It works well after a SHFFaerial.

When the situations apply it is a very versatile move. You have a lot of options on what to do after.

Skip2MaLoo · Mar 26, 2009

my least used move probably. i usually use it as a test move or counter move. like if my opponent is in lag after landing i use ftilt.

FAILchion- · Mar 26, 2009

Not much going for this move, 'cept ending a pseudo-combo or just for an extremely random hit, which can lead to a quick dash attack. I'd give it a 5/10.

t3h n00b · Mar 27, 2009

Spoonbob said:
Ftilt...another sorely underused move on my end because I forget about it so much. I honestly know like nothing about it. But I do have a question: can a downward tilted ftilt (lolwut) cause a trip?

I found this (finally)

mugwhump said:
CAPTAIN FALCON
*fair wimpy 0-38
uair 17-23
bair 3-7 wiener version 19-26
?dair 13-37
ftilt 26-31 upwards variation: 22-27
ds back part 3-7

It lists all of Falcon's moves that trip, not to say that the list is 100% accurate and they are the only moves that Falcon can trip his opponent with.

Face124 said:
Shouldn't we have an archive of previous ones? like, the previous moves, the pages the discussion was on, and good quotes that sum up the move well. Possibly we could make an accurate Falcon moves tier list after we've done them all.

I just finished the utilt summary, and I added a table of contents, not that it's really needed right now. The move tier list idea sounds interesting.

illinialex24 · Mar 27, 2009

Nice, because Falcon is a really good tech chaser. So if F-tilt trips, thats moderately useful.

Man of Popsicle · Mar 27, 2009

3x ftilt combo :0!

DarkKyanite · Mar 28, 2009

it's really easy to power shield falcon's ftilt ><
it's a really situational move sadly

Player-3 · Mar 28, 2009

Dtilt > ftilt is pretty lulzy

Tenki · Mar 28, 2009

I heard F-tilt starts/ends faster if you tilt it up/down ..?

Face124 · Mar 28, 2009

Tenki said:
I heard F-tilt starts/ends faster if you tilt it up/down ..?

I think it has IASA frames tilted up or down (Not entirely sure), but they definitely are quicker, hence the tilt lock.

SmashBrother2008 · Mar 28, 2009

The only problem with Ftilt is that it is hard to use in a hasty situation without accidentally doing Fsmash. You need to take your time with Ftilt.

Zeallyx · Mar 28, 2009

SmashBrother2008 said:
The only problem with Ftilt is that it is hard to use in a hasty situation without accidentally doing Fsmash. You need to take your time with Ftilt.

No not at all..
I NEVER accidentally Fsmash..

That is a noobish-ish thing to do :O

LuLLo · Mar 28, 2009

SmashBrother2008 said:
The only problem with Ftilt is that it is hard to use in a hasty situation without accidentally doing Fsmash. You need to take your time with Ftilt.

Friend of mine has the same problem(with Snake, which is an even bigger problem). I never do this.
I think that occurs when you're not at ease during the match. Sure there will be hasty situations, but if you've got your character fully under control and play relaxed, this shouldn't happen. I don't call it noobish or something, it's just the chemics that happen in your brain-fingers coordination that cause the fault.
Not saying that YOU don't have Falcon under control, I couldn't know.

illinialex24 · Mar 28, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
No not at all..
I NEVER accidentally Fsmash..

That is a noobish-ish thing to do :O

Exactly, you should never accidentally do moves you don't want to do. Never. The only excuse I can come up with is wavebouncing something without B-sticking it but even that is fairly shallow.

That should never be an excuse SmashBrother.

eRonin · Mar 28, 2009

Whenever I want to f-tilt, it's usually when I'm approaching with a walk, or right after I land, so I'm already holding the control stick in the right direction and there's never a chance of doing an f-smash.

Also, I don't quite remember, does direction stick forward + c-stick forward at the same time produce an f-tilt?
I know with d-stick up and c-stick up you get an u-tilt and same with d-tilt, but something is telling me d-stick forward and c-stick forward gives you a dash attack...

illinialex24 · Mar 28, 2009

eRonin said:
Whenever I want to f-tilt, it's usually when I'm approaching with a walk, or right after I land, so I'm already holding the control stick in the right direction and there's never a chance of doing an f-smash.

Also, I don't quite remember, does direction stick forward + c-stick forward at the same time produce an f-tilt?
I know with d-stick up and c-stick up you get an u-tilt and same with d-tilt, but something is telling me d-stick forward and c-stick forward gives you a dash attack...

Nah it doesn't. It requires a smash input already on the up and down before a C (obviously only works with tap off really) to produce a smash since you can't U-smash out of a hold up or d-smash out of a hold down.

However, you can Smash out of a walk.

teluoborg · Mar 30, 2009

I use Ftilt (angled up) on people who like to aerial approach at the height of falcon's head, mainly peach whose floaty-pseudo-wop game is a pain to hit with Utilt.

Else it can be easily replaced by a Dtilt, so it's nothing new if I say that Ftilt is a situational move D:

Mit · Mar 30, 2009

The only time I use it is when I can get it off after a couple jabs (which is not a combo I know).

Otherwise it usually only comes out by accident for whatever reason. Probably my least used move. Although I do use it as a kill move sometimes if my opponent gets up to like, near 200%.

thekingsdinner666 · Mar 30, 2009

I like to use this move after 1-hit Nairs or Uairs. I've actually spiked with it. On the edge, of course.

Red-Blue · Mar 31, 2009

This thread sucks until FAir. Habeeb my words.

Zeallyx · Mar 31, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
Ftilt:
Recommended usage: Limited/Mixed into ones jab game
Uses:
- spacing.
As Ftilt has quite some reach, and comes out quite fast (compared to falcons other moves) it is a good move to use when further away from your opponent.
- Punishing opponents who DI out of jabs.
- To rack up damage and keep your killing moves fresh.
Combo's including Ftilt:
- Ftilt lock (very situational, keep in the back of your head, but dont rely on it)
- Fist hit Nair>Ftilt (better options are present, recommended not to use)
- Flubbed Fair>opponent trips>Ftilt (better options are present, recommended not to use)
Other info: Ftilt is a good move to hit enemys further away, and to keep your Utilt (and other kill moves.) fresh. And unstale them, if needed, too.

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
/Ftilt

10/Ftilt's

So yeah..

Ftilt has been the subject of discussion for way too long.

Player-3 · Mar 31, 2009

Red-Blue said:
This thread sucks until FAir. Habeeb my words.

Or nair....

UzakiuzuG · Mar 31, 2009

Red-Blue said:
This thread sucks until FAir. Habeeb my words.

Or the stomp DAIR

LuLLo · Apr 1, 2009

I suggest we move on to the next move....d-tilt perhaps?

Zeallyx · Apr 1, 2009

I suggest we move on to Zair
/April1stjoke

talkingbeatles · Apr 1, 2009

LuLLo said:
I suggest we move on to the next move....d-tilt perhaps?

d-tilt has a range that will surprise a lot of people. It can also be "combo-ed" against people DIing incorrectly.

Having said that, it is unnecessarily slow.

Tenki · Apr 1, 2009

D-tilt can catch people if they DI upwards during jab cancels or such, I think.

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