Collective of Bears
King of Hug Style
I love Wario here, because he basically shuts down all of Diddy's banana game between his aerial tendencies and the Bite. 60:40 Wario IMO.
Discuss.
Discuss.
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Wario's Week 7 Matchup: Diddy Kong
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ADHD
Smash Hero
Diddy limits wario to float where he wants, and that's why it's even. You can't just aircamp, because diddy doesn't feel like approaching. He also has two death combos on wario: The side b footstool thing on metaknight, and grab release > dair over the edge. You can trip combo into the grab release or naner lock. 55:45 in warios favor.
YagamiDark
Smash Journeyman
Diddys got a tough time killing Wario, but Wario gets kills pretty easy. I'd say ATM its like 55:45 Wario, but I think Wario users should learn to use bananas (Use Z to airdodge to catch bananas he throws midair, etc) and then maybe it could go to 60:40
Trust me.... I can use bananas really really well, but it doesn't prevent Diddys from using them better.
And ADHD is right. Although it's hard for them to do a lot of their banana game b/c we're airborne so much, they can really limit our movement with banana/peanut camping.
And ADHD is right. Although it's hard for them to do a lot of their banana game b/c we're airborne so much, they can really limit our movement with banana/peanut camping.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Just eat em. 8D
But yea, I agree. It's pretty even. ADHD has summarized it really well.
But yea, I agree. It's pretty even. ADHD has summarized it really well.
This matchup is perennially easier if you keep them to one banana. It also prevents them from nana locking into a spike.
Padô
Smash Lord
I LOVE playing against diddy's, eating bananas is circunstancial, eating bananas while diddy is glide tossing you isnt a good idea but eating'em while he pulls em out is an excelent choice.
Wario's will have a hard time KO'ing Diddy BUT Diddy will have the worst time ever because his aerials will be stale and we wont be staying on the ground too much.
The EG with bike angaint diddy is beautiful, and we can easily gimp him.
Btw Diddy can combo you if you get nanered and thats not nice and ITS GOING TO happen since nanerz got GODLY priority.
55:45 I might say or 60:40 Wario's Favor.
Wario's will have a hard time KO'ing Diddy BUT Diddy will have the worst time ever because his aerials will be stale and we wont be staying on the ground too much.
The EG with bike angaint diddy is beautiful, and we can easily gimp him.
Btw Diddy can combo you if you get nanered and thats not nice and ITS GOING TO happen since nanerz got GODLY priority.
55:45 I might say or 60:40 Wario's Favor.
Kit Cal-N
Smash Ace
Here is some super important information in this match-up:
While holding a banana, you can still d-tilt if you crawl!
AMAZING, I KNOW!
While holding a banana, you can still d-tilt if you crawl!
AMAZING, I KNOW!
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
omg! That makes this matchup easily 70:30 in Wario's favor. :o
solecalibur
Smash Master
When eatting them make sure Diddy isnt throwing a banana short there either
A . Setting up Banana Combo
Or
B. Lureing you to eat the Banana so they get a free shot on yeh
Your bike can run over the Banana no problem if they throw it at you in the correct postion I beilive they can
chimpact
Smash Lord
Fair off stage helps. And one minute farts off stage kill at like 80%. 60% if 1:30 farts I think.
And it is only 55-45 on neutrals. It is much worse on norfair, jungle japes, rainbow cruise, (Maybe brinstar).
And it is only 55-45 on neutrals. It is much worse on norfair, jungle japes, rainbow cruise, (Maybe brinstar).
I always called them "smart farts" 
I'm curious, does anybody ever intentionally leave the bike in the center of the stage to block bananas and increase the hitlag on Diddy's moves to make them easier to punish? Obviously you wouldn't do this at a higher percent in case you'll need it for recovery. It also means you can soon have access to wheels to interrupt Diddy's ground flow.
I haven't really tried it, but it seems alright in theory.
I'm curious, does anybody ever intentionally leave the bike in the center of the stage to block bananas and increase the hitlag on Diddy's moves to make them easier to punish? Obviously you wouldn't do this at a higher percent in case you'll need it for recovery. It also means you can soon have access to wheels to interrupt Diddy's ground flow.
I haven't really tried it, but it seems alright in theory.
The problem with it in this case as that bananas bounce on destructible objects, so they just give him more options/shenanigans to do.
Also, they're no longer smart farts, Wobbles, that's like... so 6 months ago.
Tiny Waft > Poot > Half Waft > Full Waft is what the cool kids use.
Also, they're no longer smart farts, Wobbles, that's like... so 6 months ago.
Tiny Waft > Poot > Half Waft > Full Waft is what the cool kids use.
Guess I'm living in the past then Do you have a catchy name for the nearly full waft?
Seems that if banans bounces it'll help force Diddy into the air where Wario has more advantage, but I lack experience in the matchup so I'll take your word for it. I don't want to be unnecessarily risky at Devastation this weekend after all.
By the way, I saw reference to an "instant wipeout" with the bike; I want to start using it to edgeguard more often, so that sounds kind of handy. Sorry I'm such an ignoramus, I only recently re-entered Brawl and I just abandoned my MK for pure Wariosity.
Do you have a catchy name for the nearly full waft?Seems that if banans bounces it'll help force Diddy into the air where Wario has more advantage, but I lack experience in the matchup so I'll take your word for it. I don't want to be unnecessarily risky at Devastation this weekend after all.
By the way, I saw reference to an "instant wipeout" with the bike; I want to start using it to edgeguard more often, so that sounds kind of handy. Sorry I'm such an ignoramus, I only recently re-entered Brawl and I just abandoned my MK for pure Wariosity.
The Sage of Shadow: Darklink
Smash Ace
yea and fortunately for wobbles
His Wario ***** harder than his MK imo
His Wario ***** harder than his MK imo
Padô
Smash Lord
I wonder why RedHalberd have been discussing Wario's matchup since we got 50:50 on mk....
Collective of Bears
King of Hug Style
Because he loves us too much ;]
The thing is that the bouncing banana will set Diddy up to use one of his best tools against us more, his fair. It safely outranges all our aerials.Guess I'm living in the past then
Seems that if banans bounces it'll help force Diddy into the air where Wario has more advantage, but I lack experience in the matchup so I'll take your word for it. I don't want to be unnecessarily risky at Devastation this weekend after all.
By the way, I saw reference to an "instant wipeout" with the bike; I want to start using it to edgeguard more often, so that sounds kind of handy. Sorry I'm such an ignoramus, I only recently re-entered Brawl and I just abandoned my MK for pure Wariosity.
The instant wipeout involves running off the edge and then immediately using Side-B in the opposite direction to crash it into the edge, causing you to wipeout and leaving it on stage right within pickup range (you land on your feet). This lets you grab it and quickly Cstick Dthrow or Upthrow it to pressure your opponent, making them easier to read and punish, if the bike doesn't already hit them or gimp them outright. It's most effective to use when you've hit them a good distance offstage as it gives you a lot of time to set it up, but you can use it at other times as well.
..............wobbles plays brawl? :0Guess I'm living in the past then
Seems that if banans bounces it'll help force Diddy into the air where Wario has more advantage, but I lack experience in the matchup so I'll take your word for it. I don't want to be unnecessarily risky at Devastation this weekend after all.
By the way, I saw reference to an "instant wipeout" with the bike; I want to start using it to edgeguard more often, so that sounds kind of handy. Sorry I'm such an ignoramus, I only recently re-entered Brawl and I just abandoned my MK for pure Wariosity.
I dont know much about this matchup...but cant wario win through some heavy air camping to avoid banana's?
I've seen thing slike sonics spring hit diddy's upb and make him do that falling thing, is there any way any of wario's attacks do that? I think un charged waft does it, but thats useless. Maybe the first hits of dair or nair?
Kit Cal-N
Smash Ace
Diddy's over-B can be grab gimped like Snake/Sonic/G&W after he uses his kick/hump attack.
Like, if he's recovering at ground level, stand at the edge. If he kicks, shield grab. If he latches on, grab after he attacks. Can't be done if he jumps off you.
Another SUPER IMPORTANT, NON-SITUATIONAL tip.
Like, if he's recovering at ground level, stand at the edge. If he kicks, shield grab. If he latches on, grab after he attacks. Can't be done if he jumps off you.
Another SUPER IMPORTANT, NON-SITUATIONAL tip.
Collective of Bears
King of Hug Style
Finishing tomorrow. Let's sum it up with numbers and we'll call it done.
55:45 to 60:40 Wario.
FattyFatFatso
Smash Apprentice
55:45 Wario. Having played both Le Thien and Gnes, it is proven that a smart Diddy can shut down (not limit) Wario's air game. However, learning to grab bananas mid thrown and avoiding be pushed into ground bananas makes the game much easier.
Le_THieN
Smash Lord
I discovered Fatso's kryptonite the other day, so I will be going Ganondorf and Luigi against Warios from now on.
Gnes
Smash Master
Ill be using Diddy...because im sexy, and my Camping tent is made of a rainbows.
Fliphopper
Smash Lord
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Diddy vs Wario. 50:50.. Nuff said.
FattyFatFatso
Smash Apprentice
Luckily for me the only character Le Thien is partially good with is Diddy. All his other characters are trash.
omegablackmage
Certified Lion Rider
how do people feel about eating the bananas as soon as they are thrown. Most diddy players will throw a banana to start the match, so i usually run over, full jump up and intercept it. At this point they can either toss another banana or go to hit you. If they hit you, thats fine, you take 10 damage or w/e, but now they have no bananas on the stage.
W/o bananas wario absolutely dominates diddy, making it very hard for them to do anything other than pot shot damage with dash attacks and the like. Keep on top of them at all times, because diddy's fail under pressure. When you see them go to toss another banana grab and throw if theres a platform in the way or just fsmash, then turn around and immediately eat the banana.
I think effectively keep NO bananas on the stage is better than grabbing them and trying to fight fire with fire. If you get one throw off thats fine, but in reality, diddy will find a way to get the bananas back in his control, and diddy with too many bananas just turns into a complete camp fest, usually with you losing.
How do you guys feel about that?
W/o bananas wario absolutely dominates diddy, making it very hard for them to do anything other than pot shot damage with dash attacks and the like. Keep on top of them at all times, because diddy's fail under pressure. When you see them go to toss another banana grab and throw if theres a platform in the way or just fsmash, then turn around and immediately eat the banana.
I think effectively keep NO bananas on the stage is better than grabbing them and trying to fight fire with fire. If you get one throw off thats fine, but in reality, diddy will find a way to get the bananas back in his control, and diddy with too many bananas just turns into a complete camp fest, usually with you losing.
How do you guys feel about that?
Humpy Thrashabout
Smash Journeyman
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Surprisingly I actually gave you that advice OBM. I was that guy at the WPI tournament who was sitting behind you when you were playing that really good diddy (forgot his name). I said "I hear you play a pretty mean Wario. Eat the nanners". You decided not to listen to some random person and stayed G&W.
So yes, I fully agree with that advice.
Also, someone said you beat him as Wario in friendlies later? Is that true?
So yes, I fully agree with that advice.
Also, someone said you beat him as Wario in friendlies later? Is that true?
Diddy can do fine against Wario without naners, though he wouldn't win, of course. His fair and bair are great for spacing and brickwalling, and his dtilt is better than all our ground options, so they will eventually separate us and get those naners anyway. I've noticed however, that they're a lot more likely to be complacent with one banana than they are to remain with 0 bananas, meaning, eat them, but leave one on the field, b/c they will be less likely to focus on pulling another. It is a lot easier to catch/control one banana than it is two, and you will go unpunished for many things when they don't have their second projectile lying about.
omegablackmage
Certified Lion Rider
actually what ended up happening was i had to play him in tournament for third place. My set with him was so helpless with gw (cuz gw can't do anything against diddy) that i decided to switch to wario and i ended up beating him, which is ironic that you had mentioned that lol.
the reason i probably blew the idea off in the first place was because every diddy main i had talked to about the subject prior to that suggested that it was a bad idea to eat the bananas considering the lag. However, as of late, i've realized that its simply way more important to get the bananas off the stage and you can minimize the amount of damage you take by eating them in the air just after they are tossed up.
px - the best part about that is, yeah, they might be able to hit you away with tilts or aerials, but unless your at really high percents, you'll be able to catch up to them. This means they'll be stuck in some kind of lag while tossing the banana up and you can grab/throw them and then get rid of the banana while they are coming back. you have to keep in mind that you can eat the bananas much faster than they can throw them, so the reverse doesn't really apply.
the reason i probably blew the idea off in the first place was because every diddy main i had talked to about the subject prior to that suggested that it was a bad idea to eat the bananas considering the lag. However, as of late, i've realized that its simply way more important to get the bananas off the stage and you can minimize the amount of damage you take by eating them in the air just after they are tossed up.
px - the best part about that is, yeah, they might be able to hit you away with tilts or aerials, but unless your at really high percents, you'll be able to catch up to them. This means they'll be stuck in some kind of lag while tossing the banana up and you can grab/throw them and then get rid of the banana while they are coming back. you have to keep in mind that you can eat the bananas much faster than they can throw them, so the reverse doesn't really apply.
If they space fair correctly on you and autocancel it right you can't punish it... it's pretty gay.
omegablackmage
Certified Lion Rider
what do you mean, punish the fair or them trying to run away and throw a banana?
ADHD
Smash Hero
He only wins that much if wario gets the lead first... 
Dang BUT THEN I ALSO HAVE BRINSTAR!He only wins that much if wario gets the lead first...
But yeah, both characters are supposed to camp the other one back with the lead. It's really silly.