Official Kirby Matchup Thread, now discussing: LUCAS!!!

Lightning93 said:

You guys are still honestly underestimating Fox... he's one of the characters whose gameplay has changed a LOT since the start of the year, contrary to what Skyler says about Kirby...

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Ultimately, EVERY single Character Board community says we're underestimating or underrating their character, then the majority of Kirby mains take the comments and agree with them, making it seem like it's actually harder than it seems.

OBVIOUSLY we know how top-level character mains play: not predictable, avoids gimping, SDIs great, DI's and momentum cancels, follows DI, and has excellent reaction speed... THE POINT IS! A top-level Kirby will beat a top-level Fox easier and more times than the vice-versa result...

And now I think you guys are underestimating and underrating Kirby. Fox is mid-tier for a reason, he can't have safe options all the time, whereas Kirby can, for example... Not always will you guys be able to pull off what you say you can, but yes always will we be able to pull off what WE can (easier to land guaranteed combos, easier to land our kill move, easier to come back to the stage, easier to keep an advantage... The only thing you beat us is in speed, but take on a careful Kirby mainer with fast reaction speed and you've just met your match).

I've been storming out of MU discussions and going back for a while now... Don't know why it's "common sense" to not care about MU discussions, since it's what helps newcomers understand what they shouldn't be doing.


Plus, I had it in my mindset a long time ago, that:

1) We all have different playstyles, and some are less skilled than others. If a Kirby comes in (or the other character's main) and says they keep ****** the other character, for all we know they're not playing good at all, since people always want video proof.

2) People take video proof too seriously. Remember that the people WILL play differently towards you, and they play that way against each other because they might know how the other plays, and punishes accordingly... He might play against you differently, so don't go watching videos and agreeing that X character beats Y character.

3) Whatever number you guys end up putting up, it's not changing how easy/hard the MU is FOR ME in practice, so I couldn't care less in a sense. In other occasions, I DO care because sometimes the numbers are just so ******** that I have to try and say something about it.

4) Like Percon said, people will start saying things like "Oh, but a good X character mainer won't do this" or "Well X character can do this and that, which limits your options"... Which really frustrates me because they're practically saying we've never fought good character mains, or don't know how a good player can play...

5) Some people (like me) agree on one ratio, and others agree on another, and no one is ever convinced that the other one might be right. Me, I find it impossible for me to lost to a Fox mainer in a match, but I'm sure some Foxes have beat Kirbies, and other Kirbies feel different about the whole thing... Then you're told that the other Fox is doing it wrong, and we tell them that the Kirby is doing it wrong, and we never get anywhere...

I find MU discussions too stupid, and how they're biased to people's opinions on their mains ,whether it's a positive bias (I say Kirby is too good and should be above Lucario and below Pikachu) or negative bias (some Kirby mains have said Kirby sucks and is mediocre, dunno who they were but I remember reading it in different places). Some people will find most MUs even or disadvantaged, and others will find advantages which are never agreed on... Which only brings frustration. I literally have more fun hanging around Tactical Discussion, General Discussion and other such places, than in Character Discussion boards these days, since most I see here are people complaining about how Kirby should drop and how crappy he is, when IMHO he shouldn't, and it creates conflict.


... I wanted to say something else but I forgot, so w/e. EDIT: Remembered! What I meant by Fox's options being less than Kirby's due to the tier list positioning... You know what makes Fox as unviable as you guys say? His character traits, like his fastfalling which makes him too comboable, which is also BAD considering he's not a heavy character... If you're saying Kirby's ability to combo him amazingly well, compared to HIS ability to combo Kirby isn't a huge determining factor in the ratio of the MU, then I literally don't know what Kirby needs to do to gain advantages... Especially while also considering that Kirby's comboability beats Fox's in this MU due to Kirby's spacey+lightweight properties.