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If we have enough distance we'll just land on the stage.
I'm just going to laugh at how you say Lucas's F-smash comes out stupid fast while Mario's F-smash is easily blockable on reaction, when Lucas's F-smash starts faster by only one frame, has less range, and more ending lag.
Did you know that Sonic's fsmash can do the same thing? lean back while a lucario/marth/ike fsmash is incoming and you can hit them without getting hit yourself. does that mean that attack has good range?
Your not gonna punish a properly spaced PKF. That is all.
The Leanback on mario's is pretty easy for me to see. If I'm not getting lolwut long range sniped I ussually shield it @_@
I really doubt you'll be landing an nair on a good Jiggz very often. It's a move that she can outspace most of the time. Plus I wouldn't expect landing it OoS either; Jigglypuff is very good at staying safe even after an opponent shields her attacks.
Sonic's Fsmash has omgwtf range. Way more than it should have.
trufax.
Other than Aura Sphere, it's pretty hard to hit jigglypuff with those mostly vertical moves, considering she's a horizontal fighter. Jiggs is hard as hell to land killers on, but it works both ways luckily, as she can't really safely kill us either. However when we do land one, she'll probably die.
Trufax on a good killer.
He smashes into the stage and dies if he goes anywhere near the ledge with any sort of horizontal angle. It's a stupid mechanic that can be utilized on some banned stages like Luigi's Mansion. When Lucario smacks into a non-wallclingable surface or a ceiling, he smashes into it and sort of "flies" at an angle, and will be completely free to move . We call this "Extreme Awesome" because we couldn't think of any other name for it. We can use it as somewhat of a mindgame on Luigi's Mansion, Pokemon Stadium 2, and similar stages with weird slopes/ceilings.
That works for Fox, Falco, and Wolf iirc. If Lucario tries it he'll slam into the stage and die. He needs to go slightly above it, or use it from directly below and go straight up or something iirc in order to not slam into the stage and die.
Doesn't need to be often, just needs to land once or twice. It's true that jiggs outspaces it, but she outspaces most short-ranged aerials, anyways. It's just another option that we have if the opportunity presents itself.
But the opportunity won't present itself when Jigglypuff is at high percentages.
Yes, it does have good range. Mario's F-smash however is better at doing this. Also, his stutter step is the longest in the entire game. Have Mario face away from Ike, and have Ike F-smash so that he's not quite hitting Mario. When Ike is in a neutral position, THEN reverse F-smash with Mario. Watch Ike go up in flames.
Well, if that's what you believe, then I guess I'll just have to do more research into jigglypuff, huh.
For lack of a better word... umad. It doesnt have good range, as much as it does different range to what people expect. If idiots didnt think it has diddy fsmash range or something, people wouldnt be so surprised when it hits from max range and be all like wtf it just beat my marth fair. It's range is still sub-par when compared aross the whole cast, I'm quite sure its in the lower half or 1/3 in the range department.
I play jigglypuff quite a bit myself and have used her against a few Lucarios. Air camping works well until the Lucario player decides to step up the camp hardcore and just constantly throw out full charge AS, run away and bair spam etc. The risk v reward for jiggs to try and aircamp might start out well but rapidly turns bad once AS are doing like >16% per hit, which only requires Lucario to be above 50%, a % range he will stay at for a long time vs Jigglypuff.
WOW. Please. I've spent HOURS testing this data. I know exactly what I'm talking about.
This is DJ we are talking about you know. He would have beter knowledge about it simply because he is the one who did the hitbox data for the sonic boards.
also, note that Lucas' recovery is too good.
I was wondering about that. I thought you knew about some super secret lucas tech I hadn't heard of. :<
It's not longer than Lucario's or Ike's. Both of the spacies are faster on start-up, Falco's ios not longer, Wolf's is barely shorter with the reach.
This is true, he won't be using Fsmash much, but you seem to think that Ike won't take the distance you can from a shutter step into account.
With Ike you can punish, Lucario you can't.
Not even close.
really? Jiggz can float in and out just like wario can. she's a little slower, but not by much. I'd say it's more 60:40. Jiggz just has problems killing when punishing a mistake. Lucario gets the advantage since fsmash, bair, and uair are good punishers to jiggz mistakes, all of which kill. Plus AS is an overall versatile tool which hinders anything jiggz tries to do.
It'd mainly her lack of a ability to kill well, her air mobility is better than Lucario's but lacks range outside of pound.
Don't thank me, thank RJ.
