Out of order, new matchup thread coming soon!

Equi · Oct 8, 2009

Sounds good to me.

MidnightAsaph · Oct 8, 2009

Sess, I hate MU threads.

If you don't mind, please insert links next to each character so someone looking for a character discussion can find it easily. Link to the very FIRST post that we talk about that specific character, and then that person can click on the thread link, which takes them to that post.

See, if you link to the page, then someone that sees a different amount of posts a page will find themselves in a completely different page with a completely different character. Later tonight, I'll definitely provide for you the links.

Sound good?

I'm saying this because all the MU threads on SWF are stupid. :| I don't want us falling to a similar fate.

Sesshomuronay · Oct 8, 2009

Asaph said:
Sess, I hate MU threads.

If you don't mind, please insert links next to each character so someone looking for a character discussion can find it easily. Link to the very FIRST post that we talk about that specific character, and then that person can click on the thread link, which takes them to that post.

See, if you link to the page, then someone that sees a different amount of posts a page will find themselves in a completely different page with a completely different character. Later tonight, I'll definitely provide for you the links.

Sound good?

I'm saying this because all the MU threads on SWF are stupid. :| I don't want us falling to a similar fate.

Sure, can do. Not right now tho.

Seagull Joe · Oct 10, 2009

Equi said:
Look out for dthrow tech chase from the G&W, best bet it to play dead and lay there for a second then mindgame him off.

That's the worst idea ever. The GaW can just jab>regrab(also if he does jab and try to regrab then jab back because wolf's jab has frame advantage on GaW's grab) or do a smash if you lay there. Just tech the down throw in a direction and he has no tech chase.

MidnightAsaph · Oct 11, 2009

Seagull Man said:
That's the worst idea ever. The GaW can just jab>regrab(also if he does jab and try to regrab then jab back because wolf's jab has frame advantage on GaW's grab) or do a smash if you lay there. Just tech the down throw in a direction and he has no tech chase.

Yeah, he knows, I told him.

Btw, Seagull, it sucks that you couldn't make it to the tourney. Singles started too soon.

There were only seven teams for doubles, no one wanted to team. On the plus side, I had fun, and someone brought Lito's pizza, buffalo chicken. It was too good.

Anyway, we want to move to the next MU? 50:50 sounds good.

Atomsk_92 · Oct 11, 2009

Have any of you guys asked Jumpman's opinion on match ups?

MidnightAsaph · Oct 11, 2009

Atomsk_92 said:
Have any of you guys asked Jumpman's opinion on match ups?

lol He's good so he's more important than us.

Seriously though, I've never even seen the guy post. I don't even know where his prof is. And apparently it's a different Jumpman from the Jumpman that posts here. Or maybe my source was wrong. Regardless, I think it would be nice to hear him.

castorpollux · Oct 11, 2009

the jumpman from texas never posts here. I've never seen a single post by him, and I've been on the wolf boards since day 1

Seagull Joe · Oct 11, 2009

Jumpman I see post all the time on gamebattles whenever I go there. He plays wifi on gamebattles a lot.

KRDsonic · Oct 11, 2009

Jumpman doesn't really talk in person either. At least not from when I saw him. Every time I saw him at HOBO 19 he was silent.

boo13 · Oct 11, 2009

Who's jumpman???

Sesshomuronay · Oct 12, 2009

boo13 said:
Who's jumpman???

A wolf player.

I've played him on wifi like twice on the allisbrawl ladder, don't think he uses these forums tho.

MidnightAsaph · Oct 12, 2009

Sesshomuronay · Oct 12, 2009

Asaph said:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7628494#post7628494
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7671777#post7671777
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7763129#post7763129
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8035390#post8035390
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8188285#post8188285
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8381495#post8381495
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8467103#post8467103
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8559977#post8559977

Check those, Sess, and make sure they match up with the characters in order. ; ) Glad I could help. To get those links, click on the post number, and then click on the thread link, that url address is the one I have above.

I added the stuff to the main thread.

Lets discuss what are some good counterpicks/stage bans for game and watch.

MidnightAsaph · Oct 12, 2009

Something happened to the links when you posted them. My links work, what you posted does not. Anyone know why that happened?

Gnw? Uh... I think that room to spam blaster is good. It's nice punishing GnW's aerials with blaster, but if you're on a small stage, that would be more difficult? I dunno.

Personally, I would take GnW to Lylat. I don't have as much diffculty as others there. Also, take him to YI, his jump does not work on the right edge of the stage.

Atomsk_92 · Oct 12, 2009

Take everyone to Frigate . I <3 Frigate XD. Either that or PS1 since the blastzone sides are closer.

Sesshomuronay · Oct 13, 2009

Asaph said:
Something happened to the links when you posted them. My links work, what you posted does not. Anyone know why that happened?

Gnw? Uh... I think that room to spam blaster is good. It's nice punishing GnW's aerials with blaster, but if you're on a small stage, that would be more difficult? I dunno.

Personally, I would take GnW to Lylat. I don't have as much diffculty as others there. Also, take him to YI, his jump does not work on the right edge of the stage.

Dang, guess I messed up. Well I'll probably just end up changing it to just link you to the page we started that discussion on sometime tomorrow maybe.

ArcPoint · Oct 13, 2009

Atomsk_92 said:
Take everyone to Frigate . I <3 Frigate XD. Either that or PS1 since the blastzone sides are closer.

Really? O_O I never knew that. I'll have to practice on those stages more <3

Only qualm I have with Frigate: Me vs MK, last stock, he was at ~130 I was at like, 50. I dsmash him and he had crap DI so he would have died. BUT the stage flipped, he hit the stage and lived, I got caught under and died D=

And that's why Frigate is dumb =)

MidnightAsaph · Oct 13, 2009

Atomsk_92 said:
Take everyone to Frigate . I <3 Frigate XD. Either that or PS1 since the blastzone sides are closer.

But if Wolf goes under the stage, as in, he's hit there, you can't move along the bottom with UPB to get back. The 90 degree angle on the bottom is the reason for that. btw, good **** for maining Wolf.

Sesshomuronay said:
Dang, guess I messed up. Well I'll probably just end up changing it to just link you to the page we started that discussion on sometime tomorrow maybe.

Don't, because one person's page 6 is another person's page 14. That takes people to different places. Anyway, I figured out what to do. Right click my links and "Copy link location". You see, you copied the abbreviated link directly, which is why it won't show up. Try again, one more time.

ArcPoint said:
Really? O_O I never knew that. I'll have to practice on those stages more <3

Only qualm I have with Frigate: Me vs MK, last stock, he was at ~130 I was at like, 50. I dsmash him and he had crap DI so he would have died. BUT the stage flipped, he hit the stage and lived, I got caught under and died D=

And that's why Frigate is dumb =)

Like I said above, the ninety degree angle of the stage bottom makes it impossible to recover if you're hit below it.

ArcPoint · Oct 13, 2009

Pretty much. I'm on page 10 for this discussion.

And yeah, get caught under and you're screwed. But the idea is to not get caught under, with enough practice I'm sure you'll figure how to never get caught under the stage =)

MidnightAsaph · Oct 13, 2009

ArcPoint said:
Pretty much. I'm on page 10 for this discussion.

And yeah, get caught under and you're screwed. But the idea is to not get caught under, with enough practice I'm sure you'll figure how to never get caught under the stage =)

I'm on page 38. >_> EDIT: Nevermind, now I'm on 39... lol

And this is very true. It's just such a horrible feeling when you get caught under that I'd do whatever it takes to be perfectly free from it. D=

Sesshomuronay · Oct 15, 2009

I'm probably going to update the OP either later today or tomorrow sometime.

Anyone want to add anything else before then?

Atomsk_92 · Oct 15, 2009

Asaph, am I gonna see you this weekend in md/va? If so, WOLF DITTOS XD

MidnightAsaph · Oct 15, 2009

Atomsk_92 said:
Asaph, am I gonna see you this weekend in md/va? If so, WOLF DITTOS XD

haha Sure thing. You're going to the Circuit Championship? I should be there if I'm not hit by a car between now and then.

And you're probably going to beat me. I'm good at the middle of every month, then I just bair all day. >_> Ditto Seagull more than me, he's usually at tip top shape.

Inferno3044 · Oct 16, 2009

Mario's are discussing Wolf now. Come be a part of the discussion.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=227291&page=141

Sesshomuronay · Oct 16, 2009

I guess its pikachu time.

~ Gheb ~ · Oct 17, 2009

Once you're at a certain amount of % he can't 0-death CG you anymore. idk the specifics but I'm pretty sure Pikachu players can help us here.

Ishiey · Oct 17, 2009

Ehhh yeah, I've got no real experience so I won't say anything >_> Let's get Choice in here, Pika is his secondary

ArcPoint · Oct 18, 2009

I used to second him, so I guess I have a legit opinion?

People you can also use your experiences vs Pika as an opinion, it's legit >_>

You should beat Pika in the air, Fair and Bair both beat anything Pika can throw at you in the air, watch for QAC though. Speaking of which, if he QAC's and then double jumps, when he lands if he's not doing an attack (So if he airdodges or does nothing) he gets the regular lag from the QAC.

Uhm...Reflector/PS/Bair > Thunder Jolt. Dsmash has a ton of priority. Fsmash gets stronger the closer it is to Pika's body. You outprioritize Pika in the air. It's relatively hard for Pika to kill, so just don't be predictable and you won't get hit by thunder bolt/Fsmash/Usmash/Nair.

Idk what else to say... that was one of the things I hated about Pika: Not enough priority. OH and I'm not sure about this but check to see if you can shine in between Pika's Fair to whatever gimmicks (That is when the fair hits you). Also be aware of punishing fair too early, it's a good multi-hitting move.

Seagull Joe · Oct 18, 2009

I played K-9 today in tourney and he buffer cg'd me. Matchup is terrible.

Xzax Kasrani · Oct 18, 2009

The match up sucks. Probably as bad or worse then MK.
Thoughts?

ArcPoint · Oct 18, 2009

Pretty much, one grab = 95% of your stock.

Seagull Joe · Oct 18, 2009

Plus, its not even hard for a pikachu to do the cg. I don't like it at all. Pikachu is probably wolf's worst match just because of his buffer cg which is soooo easy to do. I'd rather fight d3s.

~ Gheb ~ · Oct 18, 2009

Gheb_01 said:
Once you're at a certain amount of % he can't 0-death CG you anymore. idk the specifics but I'm pretty sure Pikachu players can help us here.

Quoting this for emphasis because some people seem to not understand. If you let Pikachu hit for like 20% before he grabs you he can't CG you very long.

tekkie · Oct 18, 2009

Gheb_01 said:
Quoting this for emphasis because some people seem to not understand. If you let Pikachu hit for like 20% before he grabs you he can't CG you very long.

they aren't going to hit you up to high percentages.

QAC gives them retardedly good movement and pikachu's kill power is awesome. he has a lot of high priority and ranged moves.

also don't bother trying to shine thunder when he hits you up i tried that like six times last time i fought a pikachu and it never worked lol

anyways even without the CG i'd put it at least 55:45 pikachu.

Arrows · Oct 18, 2009

55:45 Without CG
60:40 if hazing is legal.
70:30 if Hazing is illegal.

Am I missing anything??

ATOMSK IS MAININ WOLF?

_Kain_ · Oct 18, 2009

People need to get it that he can CG up to many percents at many different percents! Point try your best not to get grabbed

Atomsk_92 · Oct 19, 2009

So like...I beat Neo 2-1 with wolf in a Money Match.

MidnightAsaph · Oct 19, 2009

Atomsk_92 said:
So like...I beat Neo 2-1 with wolf in a Money Match.

Was it at the Circuit Championship? **** myself if I missed that. >_< Good job. I played Neo's Marth two times, I got two-stocked and then one-stocked. So close to winning once I had adapted, but then he went Ike, and I sobbed.

Atomsk_92 · Oct 19, 2009

Yea they were last stock last hit all 3 games. We both made stupid comebacks lolz it was funny XD. 'Twas also fun :3

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