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One time I was Oli playing JJ, he did a Dacus and I tried to grab him...and the Pikmin went under Wolf...Puts Oli in a bad spot...Fsmash would beat Dacus though.
Yeah you have to time that right the feeling is just awesome when you pull that off.
) When he runs out of Pikmin I shoot a laser they take damage I rinse and repeat if they're dumb enough to keep throwing pikmin at me. Of course you can also reflect them back. When spacing make sure if you miss you move a tad bit away so you won't get drastically punished (that means you should be using autocanceled aerials.) I really don't know what stages to take an Olimar I like playing Olimar users on stages with platforms (makes me more comfortable when playing them and I can avoid grabs.) My counter-pick stages would be Frigate Orpheon, Jungle Japes, or Rainbow Cruise. I seriously can't stand Olimar at Luigi's Mansion or Norfair.
Shine counters all pikmin attacks quite well. SHFF bair > shine if you think they're going to shieldgrab you, or smash OoS.
I completely agree with this (Pivot-)grab is too good against Olimar. Dthrow near the ledge -> offstage shine = -1 stock for Olimar.
But wolf's a dumb character to fight so it's okay. Sorry I can't contribute much to the matchup in general, but if there's any small information I feel I can point out I'll try to do so.
This wall of text isn't big enough. SelfPossessed A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES.Stage Time!!
Alright, I don't know the wolf matchup as much as I should (and it's a really weird one for Olimar), but what I do know is stages :D
Alright, alright, I really don't know how any of the three stages listed work for wolf. But basically I'm just seeing the three "bad" stages for Olimar listed and thought I would clear some stuff up lol
I do know that frigate isn't as bad as you think it is in this matchup. Wolf doesn't do well on the right side either, and if you're forced to recover to the stage, us punishing you for it is very easy. The second phase is ****in amazing for us for several, several reasons. Frigate also gives an increase in yellow and purple pikmin, again, amazing. The mercy platforms on the second phase work extremely well to save Olimar from his terrible recovery, though I'm sure it helps you too. The dip in the second phase I can see being a problem for whoever lets their opponent get inside. I think frigate is definitely a good stage for you because of its small size, keeping us from running away, but it becomes a gamble of who can take advantage of the right size more, and against a competent Olimar, it's not going to play off for you as much as you think it will.
I have no idea how well you all do on Rainbow Cruise, but I'm curious. I don't want to go too much into this stage mainly because it could very well be a good stage for you in this matchup and I'm just not seeing it.
Jungle Japes, again, I'd like to know how wolf does. The right side is pretty broken for us and if we're there and you're on the middle section, you're not able to hit us with your blaster (as far as i know). If wolf approaches when Oli's on the right platform, Olimar can be gay and grab the ledge, uairing through the stage, attacking from the ledge, dropping and grabbing another ledge, or just do whatever the **** he wants. I hate trying to explain japes because it's a playstyle not many olimars but myself use and it's really gay >.>
But basically what i'm trying to say is, attempting to take advantage of an extreme flaw that Olimar has on any one stage isnt smart because not only do you also have similar flaws on the stage, but we have pretty **** big advantages on the stage as well. Frigate has the best pluck percentage Olimar can get (debatable), and the second phase is ****in amazing for us. Raibow Cruise gives us plenty of room to run around and jump from platform to platform, and a walkoff section with a low ceiling, which is broken for Olimar. Japes' right side let's us plank under the stage, force awkward approaches, gives us a safe camping area, and saves us from gimps, should we get edge guarded. And any good Olimar you fight is going to know how to minimize these disadvantages and take full advantage of everything we can. We have to play these stages a lot, after all.
Stick to your stages you have faith in, don't try to CP anything drastic. If you feel really comfortable on any of the above three stage, by all means CP it, though.
Battlefield and Yoshi's Island, yes are good against Olimar, try to get the neutral to them. Castle Seige is good for you if you can avoid us completely on the second phase. The first phase is small and it's easy to get us off stage, and the third phase makes our pikmin pluck take an extra 4 frames and its awkward shape and tilting messes us up more than it helps. I really don't know enough about Wolf's counterpick stages so I don't know what to say, to be honest.
Is it a myth you all are bad on Lylat Cruise? I remember that being the case, but didn't know if you had gotten over the flaws you had on the stage. If that's still the case, Lylat is pretty great for Olimar and I'd imagine many would take you there. Delfino would personally be my first choice in conunterpicking a wolf. Amazing pluck percentages on most of the phase, all but maybe two of the sections are great for Olimar, especially in this matchup (watch out against a smart Olimar on the beach phase), and plenty of walkoffs which help us so much.
Oh also it was mentioned that Purple = Up Throw and Blue = Forward/Back Throw, blue can also kill with Up Throw, so watch out for that. Don't just DI based on color, watch the movement of the pikmin. Up Throw takes a minute and a half so you have plenty of time to shift your DI if that's the case.
I really wish there were more wolves in this area... I didn't get to play Omniswell before he switched to Wario or whatever
Walkoffs=no edges, meaning no recovery required...
... Wow. I'm ********. I was expecting something like a walking chaingrab for some reason.
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Anyways, how's RC? >_>
