Stalling - Page 5

Jonas · 11-03-2009, 04:08 AM

Stalling hasn't proved itself to completely break a tournament, so why should we ban it now?

Staco · 11-03-2009, 05:51 AM

At the moment people just have to much honor and dont want to play gay all the time.
I wished someone really abused this at a tourney without ledgegrab rule.
Hopefully M2K does in the future to show you, how broken it is.

9/10 of the characters cant do anyhing vs. a planking MK.

You can tell me stuff like: Bowser can make neutral B fire. MK wont care. He got ****ing 5 jumps, Bowsers neutral B is extremly laggy. He can just jump above him and attack or just go to the other side of the edge.

Ness/Lucas Pike Thunder. MK wont care. He can again just go to the other edge or attack the Lucas/Ness.

The only chars which I think that they maybe can beat planking and dont get an enormous disadvantage are MK and Snake. (cause he can lay down a C4 at the other edge or at SV to blow his enemy while beeing under the stage)

Even Diddy cant do anything against planking. Some people told me, that Diddy is pretty good vs. it.
So tell me, what shall Diddy do? Bananas? The planking MK can catch them up so easy.

SmokeyBBQ · 11-03-2009, 05:56 AM

Limiting the number of times someone can grab an edge would be too hard to monitor as said before.

I still like the idea of food on low. *gasp*

Prawn · 11-03-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyBBQ

Limiting the number of times someone can grab an edge would be too hard to monitor as said before.

I still like the idea of food on low. *gasp*

It tells you how many times you've grabbed the edge at the end of the game IIRC.

And you could still plank away with a stock lead with that idea. Also limiting edgegrabs is dumb, with ICs sometimes you just get knocked from side to side unable to recover before grabbing the edge 5+ times in a small amount of time.

Red Ryu · 11-03-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Staco

Ness/Lucas Pike Thunder. MK wont care. He can again just go to the other edge or attack the Lucas/Ness.

This is false.

If Ness and Lucas play smart by waiting to see if MK goes to one ledge PK thunder will hit. His poor airspeed won't outrun it unless he glides, in which he commits himself to one side of the stage or another.

This gives them the ability to attack him while he is planking.

VodkaHaze · 11-03-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Staco

Even Diddy cant do anything against planking. Some people told me, that Diddy is pretty good vs. it.
So tell me, what shall Diddy do? Bananas? The planking MK can catch them up so easy.

Use hacks to overcome it XD

Smasher89 · 11-03-2009, 03:29 PM

Lets just create a rule that says you cant win a tournament on a time out, if it´s really broken(random player winning atleast 2-3 tournaments in a row only with that strategy) which I doubt...
I atleas know for a fact that Snake has several tools to deal with it...

Alus · 11-03-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Smasher89

Lets just create a rule that says you cant win a tournament on a time out,

How would that even work? By settling it as a draw endlessly?

May as well have no timer...

Not saying that either would ever work.

Red Ryu · 11-03-2009, 05:07 PM

A game could take literally hours if neither person wanted to approach or one person decided to run away forever.

Staco · 11-03-2009, 06:06 PM

I know that MKs air speed sucks.
The problem is, Lucas and Ness cant move while doing up B.
So MK can just jump up the stage and shield/attack/whatever.

greatness_007 · 11-03-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Ryu

This is false.

If Ness and Lucas play smart by waiting to see if MK goes to one ledge PK thunder will hit. His poor airspeed won't outrun it unless he glides, in which he commits himself to one side of the stage or another.

This gives them the ability to attack him while he is planking.

Why cant the mk also play smart? Intangibles are meaningless in a effective argument.

DanGR · 11-03-2009, 10:35 PM

LOL at some of the logic in here... Ness and DEFINITELY not Lucas can't do anything about circle camping.

The Meta Knight player just has to drill rush to the side the pk thunder isn't going to. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

zeldspazz · 11-03-2009, 10:50 PM

MK is the best character in the game in terms of camping.

......So? If you really want to get by it that bad, learn one of those "1/10" that can handle it. Dont complain just because you picked a character thats ****ty at countering planking. This is a competitive scene, not "omg lets ban/limit everything so everyone has a chance ^_^"

Chu245 · 11-03-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGR

LOL at some of the logic in here... Ness and DEFINITELY not Lucas can't do anything about circle camping.

The Meta Knight player just has to drill rush to the side the pk thunder isn't going to. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Lucas' Dsmash works.

DanGR · 11-03-2009, 11:21 PM

Dsmash? Do you know how circle camping works?

He glides under the stage and drill rushes to the side you're not on. A hitbox accompanies him on the way so you may even get hit as you get near him.

Dsmash doesn't work because getting to the ledge the MK will be at requires you to run. You can't dsmash out of a run quickly enough.