itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
was running late, gonna switch to the new character on saturday. next character will be wario
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Matchup Thread: WHAT TIME IS IT?
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XtACY
Smash Journeyman
60:40 olimar. thats about right.
grab him throw up; shield, and if he dairs, shield will block, grab again..
grab him throw up; shield, and if he dairs, shield will block, grab again..
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
ok, wario weeks starts now, sorry i took so long, in short, time warner cable sucks and i had no internet
XtACY
Smash Journeyman
awesome. wario is the man !
Donkey Bong
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wa wa wa!
10was
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itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
I think wario has the advantage
maybe its just futile
also, cbk, you cannot grab his bike, therefore it will never be over
maybe its just futile
also, cbk, you cannot grab his bike, therefore it will never be over
Donkey Bong
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i got to play against a wario player at OHsnap
he beat me every match we played, but i think he was just better at the game than i am. i'd say its 50-50
warios got that crazy DI and the super armored, fast hitting fsmash
but DK's got so much more range than wario, making it far easier to space against him. and we've got Supah Ahmahs too
he beat me every match we played, but i think he was just better at the game than i am. i'd say its 50-50
warios got that crazy DI and the super armored, fast hitting fsmash
but DK's got so much more range than wario, making it far easier to space against him. and we've got Supah Ahmahs too
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
thats what i thought, and i went in to play futile, then i got wrecked, we have a lot of range, but his bite makes it pointless, he just bites us every time we poke. he even bites through SA, i think warios got the edge.
and this is coming from me, who thinks falco and oli are neutrals and mk's at a disadvantage
and this is coming from me, who thinks falco and oli are neutrals and mk's at a disadvantage
Donkey Bong
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his bite cant last forever though, and we can hit behind it cant we?
edit: i also think falcos a neutral or even a slight disadvantage, i'm glad i'm not the only one
edit: i also think falcos a neutral or even a slight disadvantage, i'm glad i'm not the only one
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
his bite does last a long time though (only if he wants it to)
and it's more reactive, see a punch coming, om nom nom
anyone else think falcos neutral? if we get enough i'll change it
and it's more reactive, see a punch coming, om nom nom
anyone else think falcos neutral? if we get enough i'll change it
Donkey Bong
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at least it trades hits. it would suck if it canceled out the damage as well
eventually he wont see an attack coming if you do some mindgames
plus he should be easier to CSS because of his recovery, he can only use the bike to recover once, so you can try to hit him off it with a bair, or spike him of it with a dair
usmash and utilt will be more useful in this matchup, since wario loves the air
eventually he wont see an attack coming if you do some mindgames
plus he should be easier to CSS because of his recovery, he can only use the bike to recover once, so you can try to hit him off it with a bair, or spike him of it with a dair
usmash and utilt will be more useful in this matchup, since wario loves the air
magikguy
Smash Lord
usmash will hardly hit a wario , unless in a platform or you actually grab him .
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
utilt bair and high angled ftilts are the only thing that keeps you in, bair does beat him in the air, he just has much more aerial control than you do.
i1337
Smash Ace
play an amazing Dk and youll see what cbk means and dont let him spike your bike or its over.
Since Falcos chain grab can be escaped at lower percentages, id say its about even. Although he does have the annoying lazer and side b, but i still think at best it would be 55-45 in favor of falco.
Veggi
Smash Champion
Don't let cbk grab your laser or it's over.
Popertop
Smash Champion
Cyphus ***** me he's way too good.
But I agree that it's in favor of the Wario, but if the DK knows what he's doing he can severly **** a Wario.
But I agree that it's in favor of the Wario, but if the DK knows what he's doing he can severly **** a Wario.
60:40 or more for Wario IMO, but I am not 100% sure on that. What I REALLY need to do is go play Bigfoot in February and go over that matchup a bit with him. I did not get a chance to play Cyphus at HOBO (I is sad) but I still have the feeling that Wario has the easier time here.
U guys know about grab release to Fsmash right? That's a different alternative to Usmash if you are near the edge perhaps and want a horizontal killer.
U guys know about grab release to Fsmash right? That's a different alternative to Usmash if you are near the edge perhaps and want a horizontal killer.
Popertop
Smash Champion
DMG, we need to play some Melee next time as well as some epic dittos.
You're too good.
I need to get too good.
You're too good.
I need to get too good.
gantrain05
Smash Master
hey guys, don't mind if i creep, i'm really planning on making DK a counterpick of mine, after peach/olimar/fox i want to put DK in my number 4 spot, so if i pop out of nowhere and ask a noob question don't laugh lol.
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
Stop putting it off, no "I'm in texas" johns.
btw, they announced B.I.O. 2 on the same date, so if i do it i'll have to reschedule, AGAIN. wtf is the point of advertising early if it just gets scheduled over by bigger tournaments
EDIT: but if it's in tournament, i'm going luigi, no point in having him as a wario cp secondary if i don't cp warios, and it's definitely warios favor 6-4, unless futile is that much better than me (he's better, but the way i lost, i think the matchup has something to do with it)
Do you accept Age Johns, Time Johns, or the famous NY Johns? lol.
Dude that is gay, U worked hard to accomodate people and events keep coming up. I feel ur pain for real.
So, Wario 6-4 over DK, is that agreed on? We still going over it?
i1337
Smash Ace
toon link matchup, NAO!!
Honestly guys, wtf? Nobody has stated anything about why the matchup is 6:4 Wario. We should at least discuss the reasons for it being 6:4 before we try to make everyone agree on it.
At a tournament I went to a while back when I wasn't as good as I am now I played one of the best smashers in NC. He played as Wario and he was definitely a lot better than me but it was still a really really close set. He won the first match by 1 stock, I counter picked JJ and won, then he counter picked FD and won by one stock. This was before I knew about the grab release stuff on Wario and I honestly think I would have had a better chance if I would have implemented it. That Wario won first that tournament and I got 5th. The Wario was Lozr if anyone has heard of him.
Personally I don't really see what advantages Wario has in this matchup. Can Someone explain it to me?
At a tournament I went to a while back when I wasn't as good as I am now I played one of the best smashers in NC. He played as Wario and he was definitely a lot better than me but it was still a really really close set. He won the first match by 1 stock, I counter picked JJ and won, then he counter picked FD and won by one stock. This was before I knew about the grab release stuff on Wario and I honestly think I would have had a better chance if I would have implemented it. That Wario won first that tournament and I got 5th. The Wario was Lozr if anyone has heard of him.
Personally I don't really see what advantages Wario has in this matchup. Can Someone explain it to me?
i1337
Smash Ace
well one of them is that semi infinite/chaingrab lol...
Donkey Bong
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one of the reasons its slightly more in wario's favor is because its really hard to punish his approach because of his crazy DI
SH double bairs and reverse up tilt almost completely shut down his approach.
Popertop
Smash Champion
this.
but then, I could just air dodge and then shield grab whatever you throw at me from the air.
I dunno actually.
I played Cyphus.
It felt pretty even, more like I had the advantage.
If I was more experienced in the matchup then it would have been closer. There was too much stuff that surprised me and stuff. Whatev.
But besides that it felt like I had advantage.
DK can gimp Wario if Wario is not careful.
Wario can gimp DK if DK is not careful.
Ex: Wario is offstage and uses his bike the wrong time(doesn't have a waft, already used second jump etc.), DK bairs him off and basically gets a free stock.
Ex2: Dk is off stage and is careless (uses jump early) and gets bitten. DK gets out too far down to recover and Wario basically gets a free stock.
Wario's Advantages:
Wario has Dair footstool into a nair lock that ends in an Fsmash, Dsmash or Waft.
He can also do Dair > Dair > Uair (i think, pretty sure it works) for around 30 something
He has the dair bite boost smash that does 35%, they can DI to avoid the boost though.
He can gimp the DK by biting him off stage really low. If the DK breaks out Wario can still recover but DK can't. Very useful if you are a stock ahead.
Wario can super armor DK's approach if the DK gets predictable. (Cyphus's DK is really unpredictable at least to me so I had trouble with this part)
Wario can weave in and out with his approach and not get punished if he is good at spacing.
Or he can just airdodge and wait for the DK to make a mistake and then punish ( a la DMG).
Wario is also, in fact, WAY TOO GOOD.(lol)
I'm not sure who has the priority advantage.
K i think I got most of it. O rnot. Mabye that was just a lot of fail.
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DK's advantages:
Bair is sexy. It outspaces everything Wario has. It can gimp him off the bike if Wario isn't careful. I'm pretty sure Wario can't bite the Bair too.
DK has those grab combos.
I would rather someone else do DK 'cause I don't know the char very well.
^Hey at least it's a start.
I've bair'd Wario's Fsmash before and the wario took damage during super armor and didn't take knockback but I didn't even take damage. I've done this a few times in friendlies too. You have to have super tight spacing to do that though.
I've bair'd Wario's Fsmash before and the wario took damage during super armor and didn't take knockback but I didn't even take damage. I've done this a few times in friendlies too. You have to have super tight spacing to do that though.
OmniOstrich
Smash Lord
DK's ground game is way better (not that it matters much)
DK has 2 SA attacks
Wario's recovery is open to spikes, which DK pwns at
Wario can get grab release combo'ed for easy kills (set these up with dtilt trips and you have a fat sexy brawl combo )
DK can camp with tilts
utilt utilt uair bair for ~30% and puts wario offstage
spacing bairs is easy and works well just dont get SA fsmashed
Honestly the matchup reminds me of MK vs Snake. Snake will **** MK up if MK plays ****ty bc he can camp real hard and just use tilts and nades to keep MK out of his face, but really once the Snake misplaces a tilt MK can easily punish him and combo
DK will **** Wario up if Wario plays ****ty bc he can camp real hard and just use tilts and bair to keep Wario out of his face, but really once the DK misplaces a tilt Wario can easily punish him and combo.
DK has 2 SA attacks
Wario's recovery is open to spikes, which DK pwns at
Wario can get grab release combo'ed for easy kills (set these up with dtilt trips and you have a fat sexy brawl combo
)DK can camp with tilts
utilt utilt uair bair for ~30% and puts wario offstage
spacing bairs is easy and works well just dont get SA fsmashed
Honestly the matchup reminds me of MK vs Snake. Snake will **** MK up if MK plays ****ty bc he can camp real hard and just use tilts and nades to keep MK out of his face, but really once the Snake misplaces a tilt MK can easily punish him and combo
DK will **** Wario up if Wario plays ****ty bc he can camp real hard and just use tilts and bair to keep Wario out of his face, but really once the DK misplaces a tilt Wario can easily punish him and combo.
Popertop
Smash Champion
True about the spikes but I recover to the side and that can get gimped by Bair which was one of the things I got punished for in my matches with Cyphus.
Donkey Bong
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what we can say is that it will be a fun match, since neither side has to deal with spammy projectiles, can i get an amen?
Popertop
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AMEN BROTHA
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