Alus
Smash Champion
Kill move at higher percents?
Kill move, or sets up for a kill?
Kill move, or sets up for a kill?
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Lucario Moveset Discussion:
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phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Like his other double hitting move (dair), it does decent damage even at low percents, and on heavies at really low percents, you can follow up with dash -> grab/FP.
Alus
Smash Champion
Come on guys... I thought that this would be interesting to discuss...
Alus
Smash Champion
Bump
WTF!
WTF!
F1ZZ
Smash Lord
I agree with Ftilt being a surprise move but disagree with some of your points. The only way I could see Ftilt getting a kill would be if you were near the side of the stage and used Ftilt and the person SD'd.
If I was to compare a move that was similar to Ftilt it would be Utilt because both all quick, deal decent damage and have no ability to kill.
Nitrix
Smash Ace
I like the fact that F-Tilt stays out for a little bit of time. It makes it a bit harder to shield properly.
HK Donut of the Blue Fire
Smash Ace
f-tilt > whiffed F-smash, fresh f-tilt = 9% and is quick with little lag, whiffed fresh F-smash = 11% and some ending lag
Gregory2590
Smash Journeyman
I use tend to use this as a "talk to the hand" move when being pressured at times.
D. Disciple
Smash Master
He has a taunt for that.
D. Disciple
Smash Master
Not entirely sure, but probably since most people don't angle their shield downward. But ftilt is awesome for hitting people off the edge as well, since it actually overlaps.
Gregory2590
Smash Journeyman
ckm
Smash Journeyman
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ive found that ftilt works well against characters who beat out our shfair. ness is a good example. Often ness will shfair every time I get within distance because they expect me to do the same and their fair wins. I have noticed that ftilt will often hit him as he does this. Has helped me a lot in this matchup.
I wouldnt recommend this move against anything other than a sh arial executed in close range though, as you'll likely get hit out of it otherwise.
The damage output is seriously pretty good on this move, and range is deceptive. Wish it had more shield pushback.
I wouldnt recommend this move against anything other than a sh arial executed in close range though, as you'll likely get hit out of it otherwise.
The damage output is seriously pretty good on this move, and range is deceptive. Wish it had more shield pushback.
D. Disciple
Smash Master
If we're talking about characters that approach with sh aerials. Ftilt pretty much stops any approach that Kirby can do to you. Except Down-B of course, but imagine if it could....*day dreams*
Alus
Smash Champion
Approach with stone?
That kirby is very interesting...
That kirby is very interesting...
D. Disciple
Smash Master
I have seen multiple approaches, and when someone tries to stone me. I just laugh
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
lol stoner.
D. Disciple
Smash Master
New move? We discuss Utilt yet?
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Ftilt, I really like that if you can do a SH fair and then land to do this, the SH fair will sometimes fish out a retaliatory aerial that can be batted by ftilt, and I like it's better properties on shield than some of lucario's other moves (like utilt, which while is a fantastic move is horrible on block).
Also on heavies at very low percents, you can sometimes dash -> FP/grab, making it suitable for a low percent string of sorts.
Has good applications for some offensive, but is still a pretty defensive move, and can crudely be considered a "mini fsmash" due to some of it's properties, I love this tilt, I give it about a 8-8.5/10. Has some decently low endlag too, allowing for another attack to sometimes wedge its way in, making it good for an edgeguarding "bait" move at times.
Oh, and I agree that utilt should be next.
Also on heavies at very low percents, you can sometimes dash -> FP/grab, making it suitable for a low percent string of sorts.
Has good applications for some offensive, but is still a pretty defensive move, and can crudely be considered a "mini fsmash" due to some of it's properties, I love this tilt, I give it about a 8-8.5/10. Has some decently low endlag too, allowing for another attack to sometimes wedge its way in, making it good for an edgeguarding "bait" move at times.
Oh, and I agree that utilt should be next.
Aurasmash14
Smash Lord
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I third utilt!
Ledge_g2
Smash Ace
What are the different uses of tiliting the Ftilt Up and Down? i think this needs to be answered before we move on plz XD.
RT
Smash Hero
Angling allows you to change where the attacks hit. A character's shield might leave part of their body unprotected, so you can angle the ftilt to hurt them. You can angle them up, down, or leave neutral. Sort of like high, mid, and low. Usually, high does more damage, low does less. It also affects knockback.
Some fsmashes follow this principle. Luigi's fsmash is probably the best example.
Some fsmashes follow this principle. Luigi's fsmash is probably the best example.
Alus
Smash Champion
Whoa...I completely forgot that this thread existed.
I'm kind of busy right now... brb
I'm kind of busy right now... brb
Alus
Smash Champion
Wrong thread son...
Ledge_g2
Smash Ace
k cool thx
PrinceAlus
Smash Cadet
Up tilt starts here, I'm going to a random SM so brb.
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Aurasmash14
Smash Lord
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Uptilt, its fast, covers Lucario, and makes a great juggler when not sweetspotted. it also happens to be able to lead to follow ups in case said sweetspot hits. however, it isnt safe on block, and as it seems, is also sparely used. I dont know about the rating yet.... (because i dont know much of its use XD )
HyperEnergy
Smash Journeyman
Utilt is Lucario's best out of shield option for hitting people that land behind him. I punish all sorts of things with it.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I think the only "true" weakness this move has that's a general weakness of many utilts is that it's pretty unsafe on block. Very good move otherwise.
RT
Smash Hero
CO18
Smash Hero
I dont usee up tilt enough.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
True dat.
Utilt is also very stringable out of uthrow, which gives you more damage, and sets up for better juggling/aerial strings
Alus
Smash Champion
Necessary occasional bump...
HyperEnergy
Smash Journeyman
I'm quoting this for emphasis because at a recent tourney I went to, I was using this strategy to great effect. In fact, I realized I use utilt out of shield more often than I thought I did.