Winnar
Smash Lord
Doesn't mean it wasn't an online tournament...
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Rate My Falcon Thread
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lordhelmet
Smash Master
P3 Flayl is in the US, at least go to his profile before you say that.
Kishin
Smash Ace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpvUzcGfVig
About 2 or so months old but I'm curious to see if anyone has any advice that I don't already tell myself.
About 2 or so months old but I'm curious to see if anyone has any advice that I don't already tell myself.
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Oh you mean the Youtube account? Lol. That's because it's a shared account (I thought BowserReplays with different players would have been a giveaway).
Winnar
Smash Lord
Three SDs lol
Very solid gameplay, smart spacing, lots of uair spam, good baiting/punish game. Charging dsmash shield traps are also good
You seem to be wary of overextending yourself, which is good, but you can get (at least a little) more out of a lot of the openings you create. There are places where you pause when you should pursue. Just in general try to look for places where you aren't moving when you could be attacking or running away.
There are a few times when you hang out in your shield for a long time, he didn't abuse it but snake has some pretty great grab stuff
I might have more later but I have class in 5 minutes so I gotta go D:
Very solid gameplay, smart spacing, lots of uair spam, good baiting/punish game. Charging dsmash shield traps are also good
You seem to be wary of overextending yourself, which is good, but you can get (at least a little) more out of a lot of the openings you create. There are places where you pause when you should pursue. Just in general try to look for places where you aren't moving when you could be attacking or running away.
There are a few times when you hang out in your shield for a long time, he didn't abuse it but snake has some pretty great grab stuff
I might have more later but I have class in 5 minutes so I gotta go D:
BigLord
Smash Lord
Lol, I wonder why I only get online my worst replays. Going to hunt for my best matches now.
Commenting on Kishin's vid as I go:
You rolled towards your opponent and ended up in front of him, got grabbed. Don't do that! It's very punishable.
Lol@double tripping.
Too bad about that suicide, your intention was pure and all that, but you DI'd a little too much.
Holy crap that was a LOT of powershielding, nice. The dsmash was risky, but ze mindgamez made up for it.
Excellent use of FHNair, right there, 'tis a sight to behold. As winnar said, very nice spacing game.
Ooooh crap that was so unfair (2nd suicide). The problem is that you knee'd him. Should have uaired or something.
What happened at the end, mistake? Anyway, you played nicely, IMO. You could have blown up that mine at the beginning, using respawn invincibility, though.
Commenting on Kishin's vid as I go:
You rolled towards your opponent and ended up in front of him, got grabbed. Don't do that! It's very punishable.
Lol@double tripping.
Too bad about that suicide, your intention was pure and all that, but you DI'd a little too much.
Holy crap that was a LOT of powershielding, nice. The dsmash was risky, but ze mindgamez made up for it.
Excellent use of FHNair, right there, 'tis a sight to behold. As winnar said, very nice spacing game.
Ooooh crap that was so unfair (2nd suicide). The problem is that you knee'd him. Should have uaired or something.
What happened at the end, mistake? Anyway, you played nicely, IMO. You could have blown up that mine at the beginning, using respawn invincibility, though.
Winnar
Smash Lord
BigLord the burning question on everyone's mind is whether or not that replay of yours was from you playing on wifi or offline?
teluoborg
Smash Otter
Lol good game Kishin, even with those 3 suicides.
My main advices are :
1- don't roll behind your opponent.
2-Always keep in head the location and timing of Snake's explosives. Running in a mine twice is unforgivable.
3-about your 2nd suicide I'd suggest you to never rely on edgehogging to recover. Of course you can do it, but you must (as much as possible) keep recovering over the ledge as an option, because Falcon is way too easily edgehogged.
That's all, just stop SDing and you should be pretty legit.
My main advices are :
1- don't roll behind your opponent.
2-Always keep in head the location and timing of Snake's explosives. Running in a mine twice is unforgivable.
3-about your 2nd suicide I'd suggest you to never rely on edgehogging to recover. Of course you can do it, but you must (as much as possible) keep recovering over the ledge as an option, because Falcon is way too easily edgehogged.
That's all, just stop SDing and you should be pretty legit.
Kishin
Smash Ace
I don't see where I FHN-aird not do I see where I rolled toward him and got grabbed. I don't roll often but when I do it's either me failing to input something correctly or me trying a mix-up. The first roll -> charged d-smash would have worked but I released too early. 2nd SD I was in a "wtf" state seeing him survive the knee without a tech and thus delayed my 2nd knee. No idea there was a spot on BF where it does that.
Thanks for the advice.
Thanks for the advice.
Yung Mei
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq5vKCgA8vA
this isnt a mirror match i promise
anyways, this was a little over a month ago, before i actually found out what CF's DI move was XD
anyways rate plz :D
this isnt a mirror match i promise
anyways, this was a little over a month ago, before i actually found out what CF's DI move was XD
anyways rate plz :D
lordhelmet
Smash Master
I love that quality and widescreen *creams*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq5vKCgA8vA
this isnt a mirror match i promise
anyways, this was a little over a month ago, before i actually found out what CF's DI move was XD
anyways rate plz :D
Anyway, too much rolling. You seemed to be pulling out a lot of random attacks that didn't hit, and you're playing aggressive against a Marth which is a bad idea. The Marth could've easily punished you if he wasn't on autopilot and had his spacing down. xD
But other than that, it's all good.
Yung Mei
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thegreatkazoo recorded, i came all over myself when i saw the quality :D
its so hard trying to quit rolling so much lol. Dray just started learn marth so i also posted this in the marth forum so they can destroy his marth esteem :3
so, More spacing, less aggro, less random, and NOT SO MUCH LOLL, I MEAN ROLLING?
correct right?
imma bout to start doing the rolling samus vs snake just to help kick the habit lol
lordhelmet
Smash Master
That's the jist of it. Using a character with a bad roll is actually helpful.
Yung Mei
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i just remembered that part of the reason i roll so much is that i set my r button to attack so i can dacus with characters.
and whenever i try and Dacus with CF (it works wonders lol) and end up hitting both L and R, and i end up rolling. I should stop doing that too lol
and whenever i try and Dacus with CF (it works wonders lol) and end up hitting both L and R, and i end up rolling. I should stop doing that too lol
Yung Mei
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i couldnt help but chuckle
anyways thanks for the rate guys, and ill start trying to work on those things
Yung Mei
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he records ... let me link you brb
EDIT: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=233863
scroll down the the light blue text
EDIT: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=233863
scroll down the the light blue text
Yung Mei
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i know right :D
teluoborg
Smash Otter
Soo Calvo. I'm gonna be harsh but it's what you need to get better :
First I didn't see so many rolls, imo that's not your main problem
Second you use only half of Falcon's ground move, and guess what it's not the good one.
Learn to
-Walk
-Use jab>jab (it's better than only jab)
-USE TILTS, all I saw were smashes everywhere
-Use Dash > shield > grab instead of dashgrab, or at least do not use dashgrab when you're too close from your opponent
-Do not use dash attack as an approach.
First I didn't see so many rolls, imo that's not your main problem
Second you use only half of Falcon's ground move, and guess what it's not the good one.
Learn to
-Walk
-Use jab>jab (it's better than only jab)
-USE TILTS, all I saw were smashes everywhere
-Use Dash > shield > grab instead of dashgrab, or at least do not use dashgrab when you're too close from your opponent
-Do not use dash attack as an approach.
yoshq
Smash Master
Kishin! when I was going through those replays I noticed your sick dash dancing trixies. I was just going to watch them and figure it out, but is there anything special you do?
Yung Mei
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doesnt shield cancel the dash momentum as well? i shoulld start doing that too lol
anyways, ill try my best to improve. thanks guys i appreciate your rate
teluoborg
Smash Otter
That's the point, because nearly everytime you tried to dashgrab you ended behind Marth.
Dash > shield > grab gives you a standing grab out of a dash, so less momentum, less lag and less startup.
Dash > shield > grab gives you a standing grab out of a dash, so less momentum, less lag and less startup.
Winnar
Smash Lord
Dash grab is good though, it's not like melee where you should only ever JC grab.
Not imo .
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Falcon has the second fastest foxtrot and it boosts Falcon's grab range.
Winnar
Smash Lord
You dash then let go of control stick and then dash again. It kind of looks like a foxtrot. It's a lot more useful than it was in melee lol
Also there are a lot of places where dash grab works when dash shield grab will be too slow. It's like 3 or 4 or 5 extra frames longer to come out than dash grab if you're trying to catch someone.
The only good thing about dash shield grab is that it is arguably less punishable, but since you will statistically miss out on more grabs with dash shield grab than just dash grab I would argue that dash grab is safer in almost all of the scenarios where you would have to choose between them. Exceptions would be like if you are rushing into something you need to powershield grab.
Also there are a lot of places where dash grab works when dash shield grab will be too slow. It's like 3 or 4 or 5 extra frames longer to come out than dash grab if you're trying to catch someone.
The only good thing about dash shield grab is that it is arguably less punishable, but since you will statistically miss out on more grabs with dash shield grab than just dash grab I would argue that dash grab is safer in almost all of the scenarios where you would have to choose between them. Exceptions would be like if you are rushing into something you need to powershield grab.
* trip *
Yung Mei
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oh ok, i see.... hell of an awesome name :D
Falcon doesn't need the extra range if he's so ****ing speedy. Also, grabbing lag.
tl;dr last couple of pages
Just grab with shield+A
you'll automatically get a standing grab
Winnar
Smash Lord
Thanks :D
Oh also you'll get faux super armor more often with dash grab. That's when you take damage but you get the grab anyway. It's risky'ish but you can go through any attack at any percent with this, including ike fully charged fsmash. So if you see someone start up an attack that has a bit of startup lag then you can rush in and get the grab safely.
Not sure if that applies to your match, but it can be good to know.
Oh also something you should keep in mind is that a lot of the times you ran into people's charge up attacks it was because you tried to dash to get closer. Falcon's dash is reeeeeeeally long, so you can end up in trouble if you're trying to have precise spacing. If someone starts charging something then you should be patient and walk nearest you feel safe then dash in and punish somehow. Almost never try to rush in if they are already in the charging mode because it's such a risky gamble for you with so little payoff.
Yung Mei
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im too used to playing aggresively :D
thats how i like my matches otherwise i get bored
teluoborg
Smash Otter
Playing aggressively will get you ***** against any smart player, but it's ok when you play with your friends.
Also dashgrab has ONE use : when you want to jab jab grab but the opponent is too far away for standing grab to work.
Also dashgrab has ONE use : when you want to jab jab grab but the opponent is too far away for standing grab to work.
Willz
Smash Master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJv1B1YPC-w
here's a match of my falcon from a recent tournament it's not very good so can you critique plzzzz
here's a match of my falcon from a recent tournament it's not very good so can you critique plzzzz
teluoborg
Smash Otter
The lack of Willz combo is disappointing :/
(Serious critique later).
(Serious critique later).