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Brawl's Coding reveals intended character content

Captain Anthony

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I did not find this, it was given to me from a friend. I don't know of it's legitimacy, but it's interesting nonetheless. This coding shows that not only was everybody from Melee intended to return, but Dixie and Toon versions of Zelda and Sheik were planned too. There's also a set of five "Zakos" I can't recognize...

If this is true, the Geno rumor is disproved.

Also worth noting: \effect\enemy\ef_crazyhand.pac, size:63712 off:2A4F9120

Regarding Vets and Newcomers: Worth noting that even though they're there as characters, they don't have any coded final smashes or Kirby Hats.

Zakos are apparently the fighting alloys, strange they're in the fighter section, rather than the enemies... However, just because they're coded as fighters doesn't mean they were intended to be playable. It could be because they're using other characters' skeletons.

Anybody know what pra_mai could be?
Plusle in Japan is Purasuru
Minun in Japan is Mainan
Pura_mai=Pra_mai?

Here's the link anyway. http://crediar.no-ip.com/dsbx-file.txt


This is the "fighter" excerpt of the date.

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\effect\fighter\ef_purin.pac, size:106720 off:2AC9DEC0
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\effect\fighter\ef_samus.pac, size:102688 off:2AD02800
\effect\fighter\ef_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2AD1B920
\effect\fighter\ef_snake.pac, size:195904 off:2AD1B9A0
\effect\fighter\ef_sonic.pac, size:239232 off:2AD4B6E0
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\effect\fighter\ef_zakochild.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A00
\effect\fighter\ef_zakogirl.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A80
\effect\fighter\ef_zelda.pac, size:155776 off:2AE03B00
 

Pumpkins

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Wow. Toon Zelda was probably Wind Waker Zelda, then she transformed into Tetra I bet. Nice find!
 

tshahi10

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hmm, it has mewwtwo
zako????
and toon zelda/ shiek???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 

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Yeah. Notice how Geno is NOT, I repeat, NOT here.

Stupid rumor.
 

JoJoRukus

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I thought that the Alloy team was refered to as "Zakos" or something in one of the japanese things I've seen recently... I do know that in Guilty Gear Isuka, the extra dummy characters you could unlock were refered to as Zako A, B and C. I'm pretty sure that's what that is. What I REALLY am wondering is what "Pra Mai" is. Anyone have any idea and I'm just not too observant?

Also, out of curiosity, if this was the roster, sans Zakos, would anyone feel the game was that much better? Just curious.

EDIT: Noticed there isn't any Pichu, or at least I don't think so.
 

Revven

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Yeah. Notice how Geno is NOT, I repeat, NOT here.

Stupid rumor.
Agreed, stupid rumor is stupid.

What I find most interesting is the fact that they were willing to add a 5th rep to both Pokemon and Zelda before adding one to Mario. Not only that, but, they were going to add Dixie Kong who probably would've been a clone of Diddy too! Wow... imagine if we had them, people would go awol just because Dixie was a clone of Diddy and Zelda and Pokemon both have 5 reps versus Mario which has 4.

Maaaan... imagine if they were there... :laugh:
 

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So, that's all the assist trophies according to the data. 27 assist trophies total. I see Ridley on that list. That makes me happy to think that he isn't just a boss, but also an assist trophy. :) Still, there's no Geno or Krystal AT...and that makes me sad. :(
 

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If that is real...then Roy could've been in. :(

Maybe even using his real fighting style with the Sword of Seals, that would have rocked.
 

Epsilon52

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when i got my hands on the brawl data none of this was in there..

yes the zakos were the fighting alloy team but they were are in this section because of theyre coding patterns, not because they were going to be playable.

i checked your link and i saw nothing having to do with toon zelda except sticker files.
 

SloppyJimbo

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when i got my hands on the brawl data none of this was in there..

yes the zakos were the fighting alloy team but they were are in this section because of theyre coding patterns, not because they were going to be playable.

i checked your link and i saw nothing having to do with toon zelda except sticker files.
Look again, they're there.
 

Gold_Darkness

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The file listing also shoots down some of the stuff we thought was credible, namely stuff from Jump Festa and Whobby.

Regigigas as a Pokeball Pokemon? Rosalina(Rosetta) and Sothe as Assist Trophies? Not in that file list.
 

DevilRyodo

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Dixie, Mewtwo, Roy, Toon Zelda, and Toon Ganon. They should have been in it. Here's hoping for DLC.
 

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Toon Sheik is almost undoubtably Tetra.

They would have had to make a new "Toon" Sheik model from scratch. Where as they could just take Tetra's WW model and import it like they did WW Link's.

Interesting find.

I wonder if data for any of the cut characters exists on the disc? Like model data for M2 or anything.
 

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The rumor was the initial Brawl delay was due to there being copyright issues over Geno. The game was delayed to remove him.
Hm. I haven't heard that. If that's true, that's a major disappointment. He was the one character I was really hoping for in Brawl. Eh, too bad I guess. So did Square Enix go back on the deal and say that Nintendo couldn't use him or did they just not have enough time to settle it?
 

Luke Groundwalker

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Toon Sheik is almost undoubtably Tetra.

They would have had to make a new "Toon" Sheik model from scratch. Where as they could just take Tetra's WW model and import it like they did WW Link's.

Interesting find.

I wonder if data for any of the cut characters exists on the disc? Like model data for M2 or anything.
Toon Link doesn't use WW Link's model, what the **** are you talking about?

It isn't even cel-shaded. If he did use his old model, it would be, but it's not. He's cartoony, but not cel-shaded.
 

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Will this be content forever hidden from our view, like Crocomire in Metroid Zero Mission?

Or does a Downloadable or otherwise Expansion pack set factor into things?

Only time will tell.
 

Yojimbo

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Toon Link doesn't use WW Link's model, what the **** are you talking about?

It isn't even cel-shaded. If he did use his old model, it would be, but it's not. He's cartoony, but not cel-shaded.
I think he meant like use the base of Wind Waker Link for the designs. So they don't have to do concepts and other things like that. Basically, to avoid doing what they did with Sheik.
 

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Wait...

Looking at that AT list, and unless I have my Japanese names wrong...Wheres Isaac?

Wasn't he confirmed as an unlockable assist trophy?

EDIT: Never mind, looked it up, he's Robin. Ugh.
 

Luke Groundwalker

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I think he meant like use the base of Wind Waker Link for the designs. So they don't have to do concepts and other things like that. Basically, to avoid doing what they did with Sheik.
Well they did Sheik in TP style, soo...
Wait...

Looking at that AT list, and unless I have my Japanese names wrong...Wheres Isaac?

Wasn't he confirmed as an unlockable assist trophy?
Isaac's Japanese name is Robin.
 

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Many of the game's models were outsourced. That is, unlike Melee where they built all models just for the game, Sakurai took pre-existing models for some characters.

Obviously every model is tweaked and changed to work in Brawl, its not like they can simply copy and paste them in.

Maybe I was wrong about WW Link, but I thought Sakurai mentioned it in one of his Interview answers on the Nintendo site.
 

SAMaine

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"Toon Sheik" is probably a programmer's in-joke for Tetra. You know like Zelda is to Toon Zelda as Sheik is to Tetra, therefore Tetra is in fact Toon Sheik!
 

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nice--i would have loved to see toon zelda in the all out version of smash
but then again i'd love to see a blade ***** g-dorf with modified moves and black bull as the falcon clones but...
 

Luke Groundwalker

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Many of the game's models were outsourced. That is, unlike Melee where they built all models just for the game, Sakurai took pre-existing models for some characters.

Obviously every model is tweaked and changed to work in Brawl, its not like they can simply copy and paste them in.

Maybe I was wrong about WW Link, but I thought Sakurai mentioned it in one of his Interview answers on the Nintendo site.
The only pre-existing models he took were probably the TP models of Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf (albeit with a few tweaks and whatnot). But other than that, all the models are completely new, even Toon Link's. If his model wasn't, he would be cel-shaded, when he clearly isn't.
 
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