Falco's double lasers, the right way (they should be able to hit Kirby!)video

NJzFinest · Mar 10, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRht1NgMvGQ

Ok, too many of you guys are trying to do double lasers the way Fox does in Melee.
Short hop, mash B as quickly as possible.
Both lasers can go over characters as tall as Ganondorf -_-

That's wrong.

To do it the "right way", short hop, have a very brief pause, then press B twice (don't mash it, only press B twice or you'll do a ground laser after you land... but make sure it's pretty fast enough). These lasers should be able to hit taller characters twice and small characters once.
This method was inspired by Fox's double lasers from Smashbros64 (that's how it's done in that game).

Heh, looks like we don't have to take things from just Melee into Brawl, but also Smashbros64 (like Fox's Dair to uptilt/Upsmash combos).

Anyways, yeah, I'm pretty sure some people already found this out, but nevertheless, make sure you guys are spamming those lasers the right way, peace.

Repryx · Mar 10, 2008

Im gonna go practice soon as I leave school!

Slaysya · Mar 10, 2008

Thanks I have been doing it wrong. I looked like an idiot lol, im going to practice now.

Vro · Mar 10, 2008

You're just a noob. Short hop fast fall 1 lazer. Duh.

jk, I've been maining Diddy with Falco and Ike on the side. You might be right, all I've been using my lasers for is Full Hop 80x laser.

redgreenblue · Mar 10, 2008

I don't even know if I should SHDL with Falco... I mean, when I tried this last night, it seemed like I would be vulnerable for a while as I waited to shoot. Although I guess that wouldn't matter if you were still far away from your opponent.

ThreeX · Mar 10, 2008

<3 you NJ :]]]]

edit: it's really hard to condition to =\ i can't even do em consecutively, can you NJ? ;\ IF SO, VID NOW@@@

uopq · Mar 10, 2008

i also noticed that you can get the second laser to have no sound. it seems harder to time, but i guess some of you may say that sound doesn't matter.

edit: it might be my tv lol, can someone second this?

NJzFinest · Mar 10, 2008

3x_pi3_r0w said:
<3 you NJ :]]]]

edit: it's really hard to condition to =\ i can't even do em consecutively, can you NJ? ;\ IF SO, VID NOW@@@

Dude, it's so easy....then again, I PLAY SMASH64 lol

I'm used to it.

If you want...I guess I'll put a video up. Hmm, sometime tonight or tomorrow morning.

*charges camera battery*

_kSo_ · Mar 10, 2008

NJzFinest said:
I PLAY SMASH64 lol

heh, money match smash64?

NJzFinest · Mar 10, 2008

Go home Alan xD

ThreeX · Mar 10, 2008

arite sweet ;o hah, bleeh.. btw, do you find falco's shine useful at all? ><;

NJzFinest · Mar 10, 2008

Yeah, I use it whenever I'm close to the opponent and I don't have time to do a short hop and laser. It comes out really quick and I like how well it spaces me from my opponent. I can just start laser spamming again after hitting them away :D

Vro · Mar 10, 2008

Same, spacing is key with falco, and the shine has good priority/disjoint hitbox.

Goldkirby · Mar 10, 2008

It also works pretty well if you sh, laser, fast fall, laser again. This way, you can spam your lasers a little bit faster (I think).

Also, I don't think fox's drillkick to upsmash combos. They can shield or roll out if they are paying attention. The drill kick to uptilt definitely works though.

Tyr_03 · Mar 10, 2008

If you're having trouble with the timing I usually try to fire when I reach the peak of the short hop. Seems to work pretty well to get the soundless second shot that's low. In addition make sure you're buffering this technique with something so that you can either take advantage of enemy stun time with an attack or dash away. This may help keep you from being punished.

ThreeX · Mar 11, 2008

idk dude =X like whenever i shine, i just really hate the knockback, they usually just get back up instantly and hit me straight in the beak with a big toe or somethin, idk... acouple things that NEEDS to happen:

a) wifi needs to get better, cause i can only really play people that are in my city, everywhere else just won't even connect.. wth? =[

b) melee can't die :] brawl is fun, but melee BETTER NOT DIE.

note: NJ, i still <3 u for telling us about the lasers, no homo

edit: i still laugh every time i click your sig XD awesome show.. i guess that can be c) that DK show should definately air again.

NJzFinest · Mar 11, 2008

3x_pi3_r0w said:
a) wifi needs to get better, cause i can only really play people that are in my city, everywhere else just won't even connect.. wth? =

I'm having the same problem >_<

3x_pi3_r0w said:
b) melee can't die :] brawl is fun, but melee BETTER NOT DIE.

It won't, people will miss being able to do combos

3x_pi3_r0w said:
note: NJ, i still <3 u for telling us about the lasers, no homo

xD, np
Here's a vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRht1NgMvGQ

3x_pi3_r0w said:
edit: i still laugh every time i click your sig XD awesome show.. i guess that can be c) that DK show should definately air again.

LOL, yes! BANANAAAAAA SLAMMAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Yoru · Mar 11, 2008

This is good for retreating, but a smart Marth player would just dash attack you and go under the first one.

I stall before I shoot. 1 laser. No lag. That way, when I short hop, and I see him coming, I'll just dair instead of laser.

Hope this gives another option. ^_^

NJzFinest · Mar 11, 2008

Marth can't attack through this, the second laser will hit. Unless, Falco is insanely close to him.
Shoot lasers shouldn't be done up close, that being said, SHL (one laser) isn't really useful since it alot slower and doesn't hit as low.

zapdose · Mar 11, 2008

Does the SHDL still cancel lag?

MrPBody · Mar 12, 2008

Goldkirby said:
It also works pretty well if you sh, laser, fast fall, laser again. This way, you can spam your lasers a little bit faster (I think).

Also, I don't think fox's drillkick to upsmash combos. They can shield or roll out if they are paying attention. The drill kick to uptilt definitely works though.

Wrong. If fox does a drill to an uptilt, falco can jab jab jab his way out of danger.
Try it out =]

NJzFinest · Mar 12, 2008

zapdose said:
Does the SHDL still cancel lag?

Of course

Yoru · Mar 12, 2008

NJzFinest said:
Marth can't attack through this, the second laser will hit. Unless, Falco is insanely close to him.
Shoot lasers shouldn't be done up close, that being said, SHL (one laser) isn't really useful since it alot slower and doesn't hit as low.

If the marth is running, then he can go right under the first one and do a dash attack.

One laser is meant to be used right as Falco lands. That way, he has more options in the air like not shooting in case of a dash attack situation. If done correctly, Falco will shoot and will seem like he never pulled out his gun. No lag. Go right into a setup for combos.

Double lasers are meant to spam, one laser is for setups or defense. That's mho. ^_^

RickettsZ22 · Mar 13, 2008

im going to have to practice alittle more with this and i love spamming the **** out of the laser, but then thier are people who can duck like snake what a little *****

Krain0971 · Mar 16, 2008

.

hehe. When I use shine they always seem to roll back toward me. I use it again ^_^.

penguinman · Mar 16, 2008

this seems to be the hardest falco attack.
im probably wrong though

Yunaleskamodern · Mar 18, 2008

you can get a third laser off fairly quickly if you hit b a third time, at the minimum, faster than regular standing lasers

Suntan Luigi · Mar 21, 2008

Yunaleskamodern said:
you can get a third laser off fairly quickly if you hit b a third time, at the minimum, faster than regular standing lasers

Vid please.

Quarter · Mar 21, 2008

do yall think that SH lasers are as useful in brawl as they were in melee?

NJzFinest · Mar 21, 2008

Not as useful, but close enough to be used.

No reason to not spam lasers with reduced lag/ability to move around while shooting when characters aren't ctoo lose to you...heh

Mx7f · Mar 21, 2008

Yeah, unless they're reflecting or absorbing them, laser spam has no downside until they are in your face.

Dan_X · Mar 21, 2008

k this is going to be a nooby question. I've been practicing the SHDL, works well. I have to tighten my timing a bit so that the lasers line up where they should, I usually get it though. I'm not quite as fluent as your demonstration. Also, I was wondering how you face the opposite direction in mid air and shoot them (e.g. walking or running away and quickly turn and shoot) Obviously it could be as simple as quickly turning then jumping into the SHDL, but I figured I'd ask. --- I'd try it now, and avoid this post entirely, though, right now I'm sitting in school so Brawl is somewhat unaccessible right now.

Thanks for the vid/info NJzFinest! I appreciate it.

NJzFinest · Mar 21, 2008

Mx7f said:
Yeah, unless they're reflecting or absorbing them, laser spam has no downside until they are in your face.

Dude....people where able to do that in Melee....did it help?

Also, if they can reflect, Falco can reflect back, stopping them from approaching. If they absorb, you can shine them instead or just wait for them to stop/come to you.

People seem to forget that lasers aren't only for damaging...

clowsui · Mar 21, 2008

The timing on this is pretty hard, I was trying it last night at my friend's house and I forgot pressing was on the way up, not the way down XD I kept on waiting a bit after I was floating downwards and the 2nd would come out on the ground. But the times I got it, twas useful.

kamikaze falco · Mar 22, 2008

With falco you can run off the stage quickly jump back on and double laser and you will hit low characters with both lasers. It is extremely quick. You can also do this in melee. But if you want to know what i'm talking about watch myko's mini falco guide (video) and under the laser tricks section you can see it. Nj's Finest knows what I'm talking about.

Dan_X · Mar 22, 2008

Disregard my above question... As I've answered it myself. Easy enough to execute, and it was primarily as easy as I figured it would be. My only problem at first was the fact that I would accidentally execute an illusion, sometimes killing myself. Though, now I've got it down. :D

Adi · Mar 22, 2008

I mastered it fairly quickly, but the lag online really screws me over when I have to do it. It changes the timing of everything so much.

clowsui · Mar 22, 2008

Lasers aren't really that great any more...they lost their speed as a pressure tool and are generally only good for the occasional usage...

OrlanduEX · Mar 23, 2008

clowsui said:
Lasers aren't really that great any more...they lost their speed as a pressure tool and are generally only good for the occasional usage...

Truth. Falco has lost much.

Repryx · Mar 23, 2008

Falcos Lasers can force an opponent to airhump across Final D....looks good to me lolz!

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