Final Smash 3, a Brawl/Melee tournament, Apr 19th, San Antonio TX

Final Smash 3: The New Frontier

(a Brawl and Melee tournament)

Date:
April 19th, 2008

Location:

Gamelot
7007 Bandera Rd
San Antonio, TX
(At Bandera and Huebner on the corner with the Church's Chicken.)

Events:
Registration begins at 12:00 pm. Singles will begin at 3:00 pm

Brawl Singles, followed by Brawl Teams. If enough support is garnered for Melee, they will begin after Brawl Teams.

Entry Fees:

Venue Fee: $5 for all events

Please bring a Wii+Brawl! It will be appreciated.

Brawl Singles:$10 per player
Brawl Doubles: $10 per team
Melee Singles: $10 per player

Prize Layout:
Singles and Doubles will pay out as such:

1st: 60%
2nd: 25%
3rd: 15%

4th will get a beer. If you're underage, you must forfeit to SOS....I mean 5th place.

Crews, if they happen:

1st: 60%
2nd: 30%

WE NEED WIIs+COPIES OF SMASH. IF YOU CAN BRING AN EXTRA TV, THAT TOO IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Recording will go down, thanks to Gary's new video converter. Let one of the staff know.

Rules:

Singles/Teams

Double Elimination
Matches will be best 2 of 3.
Finals and Semifinals will best 3 of 5.

Neutral Random stages:
Battlefield
Smashville
Lylat Cruise
Yoshi's Island
Final Destination
Pokemon Stadium

Counter Pick:
Delfino Plaza
Corneria (Melee)
Great Sea
Rainbow Ride
Frigate Orpheon
Battleship Halberd
Pokemon Stadium 2
Castle Siege
Brinstar (Melee)
Green Greens (Melee)

Everything else is banned.

No items.
Time Limit: 7 minutes
3 stock
At the beginning of a match players can opt for a double blind pick.

Each player can strike one non random stage.

At the start of the first round, each player can use one random reset.

After the first round the loser picks the stage, the winner decides what character he will play and then the loser will pick their character and the next round will begin.

Stall tactics such as..... whatever they are at the current moment.... are banned, unless they are for recovery purposes.

Melee tournaments will be the same as the last Final Smash... strikes, resets, etc, and I'm sure everyone knows what stages are allowed in that game.

People possibly coming:
King Mosquito
Kal
Hylian
Jesusfreak
AustinRC
Reqy
Sethlon
Gabe
Kite
Dojo
Santi
Axxo
Nakofan64
forkgirl
Smiles
Pozerwolf
forkgirl
Carlie
TobiasXK
Bunch of UTSA people?
Brownsville?


House Rules:

Gamelot is 24 hours on the weekends. This means we can handle any number of singles entrants that get thrown our way.
AND NO, YOU CAN'T CRASH AT GAMELOT. The owner would get in major trouble for it.

NO OUTSIDE FOOD OR DRINK unless by permission of the manager. Seriously, why would you want to go across the street, and buy something that Gamelot has for less Plus there was a lot of trash left over from the last tournament. Now, if you are getting something you can't get at Gamelot, chances are it is good. Anyways, just ASK first and you will be good. Or you will hear it from Cliff the owner.

Computer area is for paying customers only. There is now a LAN gaming area, with a plethora of games (sorry, no Starcraft) but only if you pay. You can expect to get kicked out if you go back there without paying.

THERE IS NO WIFI. So you will have to check your myspace/e-mail/smashboards/porn before you get to Gamelot. The only internet available will be to me behind the table. I will be running the brackets on my laptop.

Lastly, if you weren't thinking about bringing your wii/tv/power strips, no, take it, chances are we can make use of it. If it isn't needed, just put it in the car or something.

Cameras, camcorders, video recording equipment, bring it! I want to make this memorable.

Ok people, I will be of course as usual checking this thread often and posting when this section gets updated.

I don't believe I have anything planned, so i will surely go.
Kyle do me a favor, post in the SA Biweeklies thread please.

what is it w/ these lame gamelot tournaments

Is there going to be a door fee or a percentage of the pot taken?

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I'll be there, and i also have some friends who are interested in going to touranments now that brawl is out, so cool.

Did you just call me L? O_o

Also, I'll probably only enter the Melee tournament.

Kal said:

Is there going to be a door fee or a percentage of the pot taken?

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To answer your question, yes, 33% of the entry fee will be going to the store. If people think that's too much, may I remind you all that other places take half or offer fixed amounts for prizes.

This is how Felix ran all of the Smashalots in 2007, so I decided to keep it simple. The five dollars thing at Final Smash 2 was a pain.

Kal said:

Did you just call me L? O_o

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nooo it was the turn of my arrow
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will 33% be taken out of only singles??? or doubles and crews too?

Dude the $5 thing is much better. I would gladly volunteer to take registration and fees. It's so much better than taking money out of the pot. Regardless, count me in I guess, and most likely Austin, Hylian, and Kal as well.

I would be much happier with a $5 registration fee, however. But it's up to you.

forkgirl said:

nooo it was the turn of my arrow
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will 33% be taken out of only singles??? or doubles and crews too?

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Pretty much only singles, unless teams gets large. Also I don't know if crews will form. I'm willing to have exhibition events, but considering SOS pretty much hates the game with a burning passion, I dunno if there will be an SAK. If there was, it would be me, coach, betty and jose.

forkgirl said:

nooo it was the turn of my arrow
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I still don't understand. >_<

Also, Mosquito, we'd rather have a $5 entry fee. Really, raking 33% of the pot is ridiculous. And while other stores may rake more, that in no way justifies you raking that ridiculous amount. And I am aware that the store owner will give you 11% of the entry fee, so, if you can't make it a $5 entry fee, at least make it a 22% rake.

Gamelot and it's pot shinanigins =/
Hmm I'ma most likely be there
I don't know how you're going to do 4 events in one day though...
or are you planning on doing something like brawl singles and melee doubles?
I forgot how to play melee already =( what's an L cancel -_-;

Kal said:

I still don't understand. >_<

Also, Mosquito, we'd rather have a $5 entry fee. Really, raking 33% of the pot is ridiculous. And while other stores may rake more, that in no way justifies you raking that ridiculous amount. And I am aware that the store owner will give you 11% of the entry fee, so, if you can't make it a $5 entry fee, at least make it a 22% rake.

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Ughh.... this alone probably was probably the greatest amount of trouble I had with all the others. JF, I do appreciate the offer to help though. If I can count on you to help me with that, the entry will be a bit easier to manage.

I will try anyways. Just remember.... this is something I have to clear with the owner.

Everyone needs to understand that

1. I don't own the venue, and don't have the funds to just rent a place.

2. There is nothing that would justify saying that I don't deserve any compensation for running the event. I'm hyping it up, running the brackets, asking people to bring equipment, collecting the money, dealing with numerous questions, making sure people are playing their matches, and dealing with the owner.

3. The owner wants to share some of that money with me, that's fine. It will help cover all of the AV and power cords and memory cards that keep getting stolen from me at each tournament, among other things.

4. Saying that other stores take half of the pot is not a justification to do the same, but it's a business, and they all expect something in return. Consider yourself getting a deal.

5. If you do the math, it barely makes a difference in the total pot size.

10 dollars pot + 5 venue fee vs 66% pot and 33% venue fee.

It's almost superficial people.

6. It only makes sense that a store be compensated by the size of the event, not a fixed figure.

yay more money for hylian!!! lol jk

fu k gamelot, fu k brawl, and btw mosquito is skimming off the top everytime theres a tourney he takes 10$ more home than what he came in the store with lawlzzzzzzzz

King Mosquito said:

5. If you do the math, it barely makes a difference in the total pot size.

10 dollars pot + 5 venue fee vs 66% pot and 33% venue fee.

It's almost superficial people.

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Except we're paying $15 to enter one event. If people decide not to enter that event, and enter others, we get "gipped."

While we may not lose a larger proportion of the money, we work considerably harder to place high in larger tournaments, and deserve to not lose that additional money we should be making. In other words, we could make just as much money in a smaller tournament without a rake, and it would be easier. So raking, instead of taking a door fee, costs us money.

I think your best option is to make it a $20 entry fee, in which you rake $5, so that you only rake 25% and the singles event is still $15.

fu k you drew ill censor dodge all i want

Hylian said:

Lmao G@be . <3.



Can't wait for this.

Money Matches in brawl/melee anyone?


Any amount of money in brawl.

$5 MM's in melee .

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$1 Falcon dittos on FD 2/3? Brawl, of course.
$1 Marth vs. Sheik in Melee, if you want.
And, instead of the first $1 money-match, we could do like, our actual Brawl mains. But that would be silly.

King Mosquito said:

Pretty much only singles, unless teams gets large

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i dont see how the size of teams would affect whether money would be taken out of the pot. the pot for teams is never that much imo after splitting the winnings in half with your partner even when there are a lot of teams. and taking from the pot would make it worse.

i know you said that it wasnt up to you, and i think gamelot is a cool place, but what about considering other places? the D pad proved to be a great place for having tournaments. even though gamelot is bigger, i think most people in the smash community would say a little less space would be worth not having the pot being messed with.

its your tournament and up to you, but you said this issue was the biggest problem last time and it was such a problem because its such a big deal to all of us.

so are you saying mosquito doesn't make good tournaments?

Taylor, if you and me don't play a tourney set, money match? Ike Ditto lololol.

No, I do mean a Melee mm. >_>

Also, anyone else interested in money matches?

FYI: I've decided to not enter any brawl tournaments until the game gets better (if it ever gets that far.) I have to admit though, the game seems to moving at a faster pace from some recent tournament vids I've watched. Kills come at lower percents, there is more combos, and each player uses more potential out of the characters.

But I went to training mode, and realized that there isn't anything to practice for it.

I'll run the Brawl event, but I don't think I will enter.

Back to Melee, except I'm going to only be able to play Peach. It will be my first time as an RST player playing in a tournament.

Actually I'll look into the Dpad to see what they take for the pot (you REALLY need to understand that nothing is free and it's not a crime to have money taken out). There's a big problem though: if I'm the host, I'm going to need to guarantee a ride from my house to Dpad, since I should be the first person there. And I don't live near any smashers save Smiles. Taylor, I would have to probably get you to take me since Caveman could drive up 1604 either past my house, or I could meet up at UTSA.

Dpad is really far, and that will hurt the attendance. There's a billion people at UTSA hyped for Brawl, so I want them to attend. Gamelot is a MUCH more local choice. I can easily get myself there, seeing I live very close to it. Now don't get me wrong, Dpad is cool, but it's too far.

I'd like to not change things since I've worked with Cliff for a while now.

As for any future events I start up, Dpad is a possibility.

forkgirl said:

i dont see how the size of teams would affect whether money would be taken out of the pot. the pot for teams is never that much imo after splitting the winnings in half with your partner even when there are a lot of teams. and taking from the pot would make it worse.

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To make my answer simple: If you're the owner, and someone says I'll pay you 50 dollars to let me run a tournament here, owner gets an estimate for attendance, says ok fair enough. However, come game day, the event hits twice as many expected, taking more time, electricity, and staff people to handle it. Now is that 50 dollars really fair? No, the amount the store makes from letting the event be held should reflect the time it takes and the people that show up to play.

forkgirl said:

i know you said that it wasnt up to you, and i think gamelot is a cool place, but what about considering other places? the D pad proved to be a great place for having tournaments. even though gamelot is bigger, i think most people in the smash community would say a little less space would be worth not having the pot being messed with.

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i've never been to the d-pad, but from what i hear its really cool and i think it would be worth it. it'll be closer to the plp up north so they don't have to traver all the way down to gamelot. theres always traders planet as well, who by far has the coolest owner and i feel that he would take the least ammount of money from the pot. this guy understands the players point of view, so i trust him more over anybody else. gamelot is over rated because of the space. i would prefer quality over quantity.

BETTY: did you get another infraction betty?

el rey mosquito: i think that at this point everybody is RST lmao

dochimself said:

BETTY: did you get another infraction betty?

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Yes. fu k you drew

Also there may be some SF action if anyone wants to lose, but thats if decide to go. There may also be some gambling going on too so heads up

Hylian said:

Is this thing seriously only 1 day? =/

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Actually, since people seem to have forgotten, Gamelot runs 24 hours on the weekends. This means we can get anything done. There isn't a single other venue that I know with those hours.

Jose is right, Preacher is by far my favorite game store owner, but he stills does 50/50. (or 5 and 5 dollars). He makes up for it by handing out plenty of door prizes though.

D pad? I don't know how much they would charge. I'll contact them soon though.

Can we talk more about the tournament and less about the venue please?

Can we talk more about the tournament and less about the venue please?

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No, we can't.

Ahh I wanna goo!
Dunno if I can make this one.
I'll def check into it.
First 2 were a blast.

Hmm, I Need To...

It doesn't mean much, but I'll try and attend this shindig...I need to try and get back into the Smash scene again...

CK

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I want to team with someone that can heal me. I play Lucas.

OH, and your rules suck.

Neutrals:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Pokemon Stadium
Delfino Plaza
Frigate Orpheon
Lylat Cruise
Smashville
Brawl Yoshi's Island
Brinstar
Halberd

Counterpicks:
Luigi's Mansion
Mario Circuit
Norfair
Pokemon Stadium 2
Castle Siege
Distant Planet
Skyworld
Pictochat
Hanenbow
Green Hill Zone
Onett
Corneria
Rainbow Cruise
Green Greens
Port Town Aero Dive

Banned Stages:
Bridge of Eldin
Mushroomy Kingdom
Rumble Falls
Pirate Ship
Spear Pillar
Shadow Moses Island
Wariorware, Inc.
New Pork City
Summit
75m
Mario Bros.
Flat Zone 2
Temple
Melee Yoshi's Island
Jungle Japes
Big Blue

DaRkNeSsOfHeArT said:

I want to team with someone that can heal me. I play Lucas.

OH, and your rules suck.

Neutrals:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Pokemon Stadium
Delfino Plaza
Frigate Orpheon
Lylat Cruise
Smashville
Brawl Yoshi's Island
Brinstar
Halberd

Counterpicks:
Luigi's Mansion
Mario Circuit
Norfair
Pokemon Stadium 2
Castle Siege
Distant Planet
Skyworld
Pictochat
Hanenbow
Green Hill Zone
Onett
Corneria
Rainbow Cruise
Green Greens
Port Town Aero Dive

Banned Stages:
Bridge of Eldin
Mushroomy Kingdom
Rumble Falls
Pirate Ship
Spear Pillar
Shadow Moses Island
Wariorware, Inc.
New Pork City
Summit
75m
Mario Bros.
Flat Zone 2
Temple
Melee Yoshi's Island
Jungle Japes
Big Blue

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First of all, why in the world must there be 10 neutrals? That makes selection of a initial character that much harder. And Brinstar and Delfino Plaza are NOT neutrals.

I'm not about to detail every one that you added to counterpicks, but here's the main thing: DeDeDe's chaingrab is the new waveshine: it carries a character across a stage, and you get finished off by a forward throw. That's why most stages with walls (like Onett) and walk offs (like Mario Circuit, Green Hill Zone) should be banned. It's just the same as Melee. Skyworld and Luigi Mansion are tech fests. The game takes long enough as it is. Skyworld also makes tether recovery impossible whens the platforms are destroyed. Though I guess I could say Skyworld is still debatable.

However, I think I should possibly add Port Town Aero Drive, Distant Planet and Pictochat as counterpicks. I'll think about it.

DaRkNeSsOfHeArT said:

I want to team with someone that can heal me. I play Lucas.

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Why would you even waste your time going to this? It'd be easier just to mail a check to Mosquito.

DaRkNeSsOfHeArT said:

Neutrals:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Pokemon Stadium
Delfino Plaza
Frigate Orpheon
Lylat Cruise
Smashville
Brawl Yoshi's Island
Brinstar
Halberd

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YOU WOULD


EDIT: The cars on Port Town kill at 70. Not an exaggeration, see for yourself.

yea port town bannnnnnnnnn

How do you guys feel about Castle Seige? i think the sides are very short on it.

There aren't fastfallers anymore. That's the ONLY reason Brinstar wasn't neutral in Melee.

There are safe zones from the cars on PTAD. Don't get hit by them, you can see them coming up the track. It's a viable counterpick.

Give me a warrant as to why Delfino and Brinstar aren't neutral.

Because they're stupid.

Kal said:

Because they're stupid.

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I concur.

Simply put though, there really needs to be only 5 or 6 neutrals, and they should be the simplest stages without any natural hazards whatsoever. Lava included.

The cars on Port Town kill that low? Lame. I would think that should be banned. Can anyone tell me why I should or shouldn't allow Distant Planet or Pictochat? I don't agree with Norfair either, unless the lava in that stage really only comes every 4 minutes like I am told. Give me some feedback. The stages are going to be the biggest debate as far as rules go for Brawl.

Melee rules are just dandy, thankfully.

Oh and Bluezaft, I sure don't see any major Dallas tournaments coming up, so STFU. Here is what I am proposing for the pricing right now. I talked about it with forkgirl yesterday on AIM:

Each game will be treated as a different tournament. You would pay a 5 dollar venue fee for Brawl, or a 5 dollar venue fee for Melee. Singles and Doubles would both be 10 dollars for both Brawl and Melee.

A second matter I am proposing, at least for Brawl, is a higher 7 dollar venue fee UNLESS you provide a wii+game or a TV. I know wiis will be tough to gather up.

I shot off an e-mail to Gamelot, and I will get word back soon I hope.