Hobbling- a new IC's chaingrab/infinite

GimR · Apr 21, 2008

Hobbling is a group of chaingrabs that I've come up with that all start basically with the same initial setup.

Why are these chains so awesome? Each type has its own timing , but that tsame timing can be applied to every character at any percentage.

Ive come up with four types so far, maybe you guys can come up with some on your own.

Basic Facts-

1. You can not tech a foot stool jump
2. Once on the ground after bieng foot stooled, if you are lightly tapped you will automatically stand up. You cannot roll.

Hobbling Type 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sToFj4B2hmA

-Cannot be DI'd out of by heavy weight characters
-After a certain percentage mediuim weight characters can DI out of it
-light weight characters can DI out of it at any percantage

Hobblinig Type 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqYtZ-V6TK4

Same info as type 1

Hobblinig Type 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOP2Kh_JJ6I

-Can be DI'd out of only at really high percentages
-good setup for bringing light and medium weight characters to the edge to setup for D-throw F-air spike

Hobbling Type 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9feI7FD6vk

I don't really have much practice with this one but it looks like it can't be DI'd out of.

Weird Nana in air dash dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8efoi9W6nck

It looks like if nana foot stools and popo doesn't she will turn around in the air when popo turns around on the ground. Even while in the middle of doing an aerial.

If your wondering why I call it Hobbling:

-My gamer tag is Hobbs
-I can't think of a regular name that doesn't sound stupid or too long-(Back air foot stool ice block chain)
- it sounds cool

PS: There is a way to do it with Uthrow but I haven't made a video if it yet.

PSS: Sorry some of the videos are glitchy, I use GameBridge

Ch0zen0ne · Apr 21, 2008

Top Tier ?

Corner-Trap · Apr 21, 2008

Instead of Hobbling, why not just label these footstool CG's? Hobbling sounds to much like wobbling and they have very little to do with each other. Funny thin is, is that I was trying to do some CG's involving footstools. All I could do was a Dthrow into footstool jump then jab, but Nana's jab usually hit the bigger characters canceling out the stun from the footstool jump, I didn't honestly think of using an ice block instead.

slacker! · Apr 21, 2008

Yeah. . .

No.

Just cause you "invented" a CG doesn't mean you can name it. It's like going into a field of daisies, plucking one, and saying it's your own discovered flower species because it has 3 petals instead of 5.

ICs have MANY CGs. Sure they have not all been found because there are soooo many, and soo many ways to do them. In the end, it's basically the same thing.

Twin Dreams · Apr 21, 2008

Whenever they are laying on the ground, they can't immediately push a direction and roll away?

GimR · Apr 21, 2008

slacker! said:
Yeah. . .

No.

Just cause you "invented" a CG doesn't mean you can name it. It's like going into a field of daisies, plucking one, and saying it's your own discovered flower species because it has 3 petals instead of 5.

ICs have MANY CGs. Sure they have not all been found because there are soooo many, and soo many ways to do them. In the end, it's basically the same thing.

woah woah woah man calm down. Call it whatever you want, I don't care. Just beause I call it hobbling doesn't mean you guys need to. If you want to call it a foot Stool CG go ahead, if that becomes the popular name for it I'll use it to. Now do you have any real comments or critiques on the chain grab itself?

Another thing. The reason this chain grab is different is beause the timinig is the same on every character(except for type 3) regardless of percentage.

Twin-

When someone is foot stooled to the ground and gets hit by an ice block they automatically stand up. You cannot rule out of it or attack to get up. Oh yeah, you can't tech a foot stool jump either.

Jono · Apr 21, 2008

Twin Dreams said:
Whenever they are laying on the ground, they can't immediately push a direction and roll away?

It's a footstool, I don't think you can do that.

NESSBOUNDER · Apr 21, 2008

but..but..but...

I came up with footstool-related chain grabs ages ago!

Why didn't I get to name them? ;_;

NESSBOUNDER · Apr 21, 2008

Jono said:
It's a footstool, I don't think you can do that.

"I chiseled it!"

calprinicus · Apr 21, 2008

nice find, sure. There have already been known IC footstool grabs. . . but whatever. this reminds me too much of a post where they go over footstool grabs and it's pretty much the same but . . . you grab instead of starting an IB lock which I think is better situated in a real game.

Dan_X · Apr 22, 2008

wow, great thread Rock! Thanks a ton, I'll have to practice all of these!!

Atlantis · Apr 22, 2008

I remember a week or two ago NESSBOUNDER did make a thread about foot stool jumps and stuff, so don't fret NB, i remember haha. And as for these, id like to see them done on a struggling lvl 9 orhuman and see how easily they can be done.....anyhoo.....nice find and well thought out :D!!!!

NESSBOUNDER · Apr 22, 2008

Nobody picked up on my Luigi joke yet? Or was it too vague?

DarkRenji · Apr 22, 2008

Spaghetti!

NESSBOUNDER · Apr 22, 2008

It's a footstool! I chisled it!

Popertop · Jul 12, 2008

Hobbling sounds similar to Wobbling, and is a much more hilarious name than footstool chaingrabs.
Hobbling fth (for teh hilarious, or maybe lulz)
HOBBLING FTL!

B0NK · Jul 12, 2008

Popertop said:
Hobbling sounds similar to Wobbling, and is a much more hilarious name than footstool chaingrabs.
Hobbling fth (for teh hilarious, or maybe lulz)
HOBBLING FTL!

But he didn't invent it. He is using the concept Ness Bounder came up with it and God-is-my-Rock is just doing it over and over again which was in my opinion obvious. The only real use for it is in Texas where they are limited to 3-grabs. So no, it's just a footstool chaingrab. And just out of curiosity, why did you resurrect this thread?

l3lue2ain · Jul 21, 2008

see this is what kills me I feel like a IC crack addict I can't stay away.

Blistering Speed · Jul 30, 2008

Bumping because this stuff isn't well known as it should be.

OmegaXF · Jul 30, 2008

Agreed with above.

DYF · Jul 30, 2008

ya its pretty important, much easier to do than alt grabs on some characters.

_Phloat_ · Jul 31, 2008

So, if I learned two timings then I could infinate (grab till kill anyways) everyone with the right knowledge.

Whats the button combination?

diddykongsnaners · Jul 31, 2008

ignore this post

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iceclimbersinfinent · Jul 31, 2008

its escaple. When you go down just press a and you will attack and...its just escaple that way

_Phloat_ · Jul 31, 2008

Indeed very escaple.

I believe that footstool falling is not like regular falling. There is a lot more stun to it.

Finch · Jul 31, 2008

Why would you do this when you could do alternating grabs and not get bored as hell?

iceclimbersinfinent · Jul 31, 2008

thats not the point actually. the point is it is easily escapable

_Phloat_ · Aug 1, 2008

I need comfirmation, but I think that you think falling is like being knocked down by a footstool. When you are hit by a footstool the lag is horrid. Then you are hit by the iceblock which makes you stand right up without attacking.

GimR · Aug 5, 2008

iceclimbersinfinent said:
thats not the point actually. the point is it is easily escapable

NO it isn't, The foot stool can't be teched. When hit with an ice block right when you hit the ground you are forced to stand up.

iceclimbersinfinent · Aug 6, 2008

God-is-my-Rock said:
NO it isn't, The foot stool can't be teched. When hit with an ice block right when you hit the ground you are forced to stand up.

I'll end this right now if you don't mind

the alternate cgs can be much easier than times jumps and ice blocks

GimR · Aug 6, 2008

iceclimbersinfinent said:
I'll end this right now if you don't mind

the alternate cgs can be much easier than times jumps and ice blocks

So are you agreeing that it can't be escaped?

Also, the first vid shows a CG that works on all heavy characters(Snake, D3, ROB, Ike DK, etc.) from 0 to 999% and The timing is the same each time you do it.

Its easier than alternate grabs, trust me.

chewyy · Aug 8, 2008

I'm pretty sure you can roll after getting hit by the ice block. Vid coming soon.

SuSa · Aug 8, 2008

chewyy said:
I'm pretty sure you can roll after getting hit by the ice block. Vid coming soon.

It's an Ice Block Lock. You must stand up.

It's basically like a Jiggly or Kirby Jab Lock :| you cannot roll out of it, and you cannot tech out of it, your forced to stand up.

The footstool causes a lag until they hit the ground which then acts like a trip (think Diddy's Bananas) the Ice Block then resets something before they are able to roll out of it, so that they must stand up. Just like jiggly can do utilt or Side-B (I prefer Side B) then jump, footstool, fastfall a nair and then start jab, walk, jab, walk until the edge. Wait until they do their FORCED stand, then jump and rest.

Glad this got bumped, one more thing for me to practice

Gindler · Aug 8, 2008

Hmmm, so i noticed with the ones requiring ice blocks for the chain to work they have to get up before the next grab. Of course you can always attack or roll instead of just standing up so would that alter how useful those are? Oh and teching in general? because you're opponent just seemed to stand there.

25%Cotton · Aug 8, 2008

Gindler said:
Hmmm, so i noticed with the ones requiring ice blocks for the chain to work they have to get up before the next grab. Of course you can always attack or roll instead of just standing up so would that alter how useful those are? Oh and teching in general? because you're opponent just seemed to stand there.

with footstools you cannot roll...

also, with footstools you cannot tech...

GimR · Aug 8, 2008

Gindler said:
Hmmm, so i noticed with the ones requiring ice blocks for the chain to work they have to get up before the next grab. Of course you can always attack or roll instead of just standing up so would that alter how useful those are? Oh and teching in general? because you're opponent just seemed to stand there.

come on man read the first post :dizzy:

chewyy · Aug 8, 2008

Havokk said:
It's an Ice Block Lock. You must stand up.

Yeah, I know it is Ice Block Lock, I do it all the time. You are forced to get up up at that time. But I'm pretty sure, if you hit left/right around the time that you are getting up (I don't remember the timing I haven't tried it in a while) you roll in that direction. I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure. I'll check the next chance I have, which will be in a little less than 2 days. You could try it in the meantime.

GimR · Aug 8, 2008

chewyy said:
Yeah, I know it is Ice Block Lock, I do it all the time. You are forced to get up up at that time. But I'm pretty sure, if you hit left/right around the time that you are getting up (I don't remember the timing I haven't tried it in a while) you roll in that direction. I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure. I'll check the next chance I have, which will be in a little less than 2 days. You could try it in the meantime.

Before I made these vids I had my bro repeatedly try to get up by pressing left and right. You can't get up

chewyy · Aug 9, 2008

Yeah, and when I was checking what I could do out of Ice block lock(e.g. up-smash). I found you could roll out of it.

Lol, I'm going to feel dumb when I'm wrong.

Oh well, we'll see when I get home, it's a long drive. (14 hours)

GimR · Aug 9, 2008

chewyy said:
Yeah, and when I was checking what I could do out of Ice block lock(e.g. up-smash). I found you could roll out of it.

Lol, I'm going to feel dumb when I'm wrong.
Oh well, we'll see when I get home, it's a long drive. (14 hours)

When you do your testing make sure Popo Ice blocks as soon as possible. If you don't you might come up with false results.

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