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Blad01 · May 3, 2008

The Falco section seems a little bit empty with regards to some others Character's Boards. I propose a compilation of all the interessant threads about Falco.

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Compilation of interessant threads about Falco

~ General ~

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=285572 by DEHF
[*]Weight Lists by Mew2King
And Character weight list, fall speed list and random things by MrSilver.
Interesting threads on Falco's weight and fallspeed.
[*] Falco Frame Data by 3GOD.
Everything on Frames is compiled here.
[*] Falco's Entire Move Set Degeneration in Damage + Knock Back by GenesisJLS.
A very interesting thread on damage / knockback degeneration
[*] Falco's moves and their killing potential ! by Blad01.
A little thread on Falco's killing moves. (in term of pure strongness)
[*] All things Shiny Here by Fluke.
To know everything about Falco's new reflector

~ Tips ~

[*] Curved Firefox by Juker.
An interesting thread if you keep suiciding yourself with the Firebird...
[*] Walljump LedgeGuard by Blad01.
You want to use Fair as a ledgeguard move ? You want to hit you opponent waiting for you when you grab the ledge ? This thread is for you.

[*] New Use For Fair by ShootFrank.
This thread shows you how to use Fair as an effective edgeguarding move. (Video added)

~ Advanced Techniques ~

[*] Falco's double lasers, the right way by NJzFinest.
A must read.

[*] The Chaingrab Project by Blad01.
An in-depth list project about Falco's Chaingrab. You can contribute.
[*] Discovered New Falco Pillar by blackcat13.

A thread on Falco's "Pillaring", or "Chainspike".
[*] Easy ways to LASERLOCK by Mew2King.
A very detailled thread on how to perform a Laser-lock in a real match.
[*] Immediate airial Phantasm by Agosta44.
A useful use of Falco's Phantasm.

~ Combos and Strings ~

[*] Falco's True Combos by Ulevo.
Yes, combos are still alive in Brawl.

~ Guides ~

[*]The Falco Boards' Guide to using Falco by SHDL
[*]Piece o'Cake ! A guide to Falco by almightypancake.
The first guide for Falco in this section. He's a little bit old, but contains some basics.
[*] Din Peregrine, a SSBB Falco Guide by Enochuout.
The last guide for Falco in this section.Largely better than the first ine, now.
[*] [Video] Laser Storm: A Falco Laser Guide by Exousia.
A visual guide on Lasers techniques.
[*] Character match-up and stage guide by SlahTalon.
SlashTalon proposes his own guide to character match-ups, videos included. :)
[*]Prediction Guide by Tommy G.
Some tips on how to predict better, and not only guess !
[*]Falco Frame Data by Xeyode
A thread on all of Falco's frame data, perfect for for advanced players looking to attain perfection.
[*]Falco USmash Kill % by Xeylode
A very useful guide on Falco's USmash's killing ability, even factoring in DI and momentum canceling.

~ Participative threads / guides ~

[*] Falco Video Thread V3 by Ozz.
A new video thread
[*]Falco Video Thread v4.0 by KuroZero
[*] The Official Match-Up Discussion by Blad01.
A weekly discussion on a specific match-up, in order to have a great compilations of knowledges. Summaries are in the first post
[*] Falco Movelist Discussion by B-Mon.
Every single move dissected.
[*] Character specific stages for and against Falco by J4pu.
[*] Falco's Metagame development discussion by Tommy G.
A participative thread on metagame development.
[*] Deal With Specific Moves by Vlade.
Discuss on specific annoying moves
[*]Falco's Counterpick and Ban Stages by J4pu and Ozz.

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I probably forget some interesting threads...
If you want me to add a thread, reply in this thread, or PM me.

Exousia · May 4, 2008

[nvm the thread is I posted is there]

Blad01 · May 4, 2008

Exousia said:
[nvm the thread is I posted is there]

Hum... What ? oO

I added a few links : An old guide, and the Video thread.

waks · May 4, 2008

This would be a sorta~useless post, but nice pic over there

Blad01 · May 4, 2008

waks said:
This would be a sorta~useless post, but nice pic over there

Thanks ^^

Mysteriously, i don't think that you post is useless

I just noticed that the Falco section doesn't have any good guides threads OO
On laser-lock, SHL, SHDL, Ledge Hop DL...

Wow :/ Maybe i will make one on lasers, if i can get some free time.

PhantomBrawler · May 4, 2008

Blad01 said:
Thanks ^^

Mysteriously, i don't think that you post is useless

I just noticed that the Falco section doesn't have any good guides threads OO
On laser-lock, SHL, SHDL, Ledge Hop DL...

Wow :/ Maybe i will make one on lasers, if i can get some free time.

That would be awesome

Exousia · May 4, 2008

wasn't there already one for Laser tricks?

Oh well go for it just in case.

khoasgotrice · May 4, 2008

horray! first falco sticky
finally

Blad01 · May 5, 2008

khoasgotrice said:
horray! first falco sticky
finally

YEAH ! But i asked for this... No dignity :'(

SHDL Thread and Match-up thread added !

GuiltyPleasure · May 8, 2008

Its about time there was one

Hopefully it wont get unsticked like half the character threads do

Phazon_Dude · May 12, 2008

You know what i discovered? Sorry if its old, anyway you know how some characters like Lucario can't be chain grabbed? Well you can actually do a nice little screw over, it is consisting of these basics: grab, dthrow, short hop, dair spike, repeat the steps until the opponent lays on the ground after the spike. As soon as the opponent first gets on the ground laying down you should go strait down, stop doing the repetition and go strait into a laser lock. BTW for people who don't know what laserlocking is its basically firing laser after laser while the opponent is lying on the ground and this causes an infinite chain until you stop lasering or the opponent goes off stage. Also, this could be a good switch up so when characters that could get chain grabbed but can also escape it, well.. try to escape the chain grab when you use it again.

It actually might be easily countered but all i know is I pulled this off once against a human player. Sorry if its flawed... It's just basically linking a lot of falco's more advance glitch or tactics.

GuiltyPleasure · May 12, 2008

Im preety sure its in one of those chaingrab threads but thats already been covered by a couple people, but yes it does work, try watching the video of bombsoldier vs Coral, nice little video of bomb fighting a lucario

Blad01 · May 12, 2008

Yes, this is the technique called "Pillaring" or "Chainspike", but it works just 30% of the time... :/ (If your opponent rolls away from you).

I add two threads : A news use for Fair, and the "Walljump LedgeGuard".

neomadgic · May 13, 2008

You should include the dash cancel upsmash. I don't exactly know how to do it, so I went into this topic expecting to learn, but you don't have it!

SLIVRphantasm · May 14, 2008

can anyone fight me and rank how good i am??i need someones oppinion on how bad i am

Exousia · May 14, 2008

SLIVRphantasm said:
can anyone fight me and rank how good i am??i need someones oppinion on how bad i am

This is not the thread for asking these questions. (you can PM someone though)

Anyway, I'm gonna make a tutorial on Falco's Lasers and the stuff you can do with it outside of just regular SHL/SHDL (but I may go in-depth as to what can be performed with SHL/SHDL).

I'm preparing the videos as I type.

Blad01 · May 14, 2008

Exousia said:
Anyway, I'm gonna make a tutorial on Falco's Lasers and the stuff you can do with it outside of just regular SHL/SHDL (but I may go in-depth as to what can be performed with SHL/SHDL).

Cool ! ^^ But... I'm making one too XD

The first one to post

(It won't be me, i go to bed now ^^').

Exousia · May 14, 2008

Mine wont be done for a while so meh =P

EDIT: Well, I'm currently stopping it at demonstrating SHDL, SHL and Ledge hop Double Laser. As I don't have the resources to go further at the moment.

Conda · May 15, 2008

Dash-to-upsmash
This is performed by dashing, then smashing the cstick up.
**For Falco, the dash attack needs to connect in order for this to work**, which sets this dash attack cancel apart from others (such as Snake's and Wario's).
Also, I must strongly emphasize that you need to smash the c-stick upwards after the dash attack. Pressing the cstick up won't do anything.
The easiest way to do this is to use C-stick down to dash attack, since this lets you dash attack form a standing position (rather than fsmashing by using A or C-stick left/right).

Input: Dash + C-stick Down -> SMASH C-stick Up.

Tommy_G · May 21, 2008

Up-Tilt is Falco's trick up his sleeve.

You'd be surprised how good it is and how much it sets up into combos or check mate moves. Falco's aerial game has quite a bit of untapped potential that I'm getting into now. Unless the character has a good down air, you can up tilt into up-air. If they dodge the up-air and don't DI, spike them back down to the stage to another up-tilt, down smash, side smash, up smash, laser lock or anything. If they DI back and dodge the up-air, back kick them. If they DI forward and dodge it, space them and use side B right when they land and pop them back up.

Up Tilt to rising neutral air is really good too. Sets up into a double jump + spike 3 hit combo.

Jabs are Godly. Spam them like Metaknights tornado, but know when to end it. Jab to run grab = good for shield spammers. Jab to dash attack sets up for up tilt and gets behind them if they shield it. Even Jab into Forward Smash works. (If you think they're going to shield the Forward Smash, charge it and wait for the sidestep dodge

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Squee451 · May 23, 2008

new one hit kill falco

NEW FALCO TECHNIQUE ONE HIT FORWARD AIR KILLING.

This works on all but 5 people says the guy who showed it to me DRAGONFANGX on gamebattles. I call this the Dfang fair or Fair spiking, if one char is all the way on the edge of FD BF Lylat or PS, and you shorthop fair backwards off the stage, they get carried off and hit the edge spiking them downwards. Can kill some people at 0% like other falcos, but doesnt work on meta gw rob kirby jiggs. Try it out I'll try and post vids soon, on most people footstooling can insure death, it kills at 30% on DEDEDE and is incredibly effective against snake. Works well but they have to roll all the way over. DragonFangX gets credit for discovery I'm just sharing

wasabicheese · May 23, 2008

thanks for this topic, it rly helped

Tommy_G · May 24, 2008

Squee451 said:
NEW FALCO TECHNIQUE ONE HIT FORWARD AIR KILLING.

This works on all but 5 people says the guy who showed it to me DRAGONFANGX on gamebattles. I call this the Dfang fair or Fair spiking, if one char is all the way on the edge of FD BF Lylat or PS, and you shorthop fair backwards off the stage, they get carried off and hit the edge spiking them downwards. Can kill some people at 0% like other falcos, but doesnt work on meta gw rob kirby jiggs. Try it out I'll try and post vids soon, on most people footstooling can insure death, it kills at 30% on DEDEDE and is incredibly effective against snake. Works well but they have to roll all the way over. DragonFangX gets credit for discovery I'm just sharing

Um...I mentioned this a while ago on a different thread about a backwards forward air into the stage. Doing it against Pit or MetaKnight that knows how to aerial space is asking to get punished.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=166848&page=3 kthx but good job posting it where people would see it.

I think I found a kind of a moon walk people can add to the mind game of spin sliding, too. If you walk and tap the other direction fast and don't hold it, you'll do a dashing animation but will not move. Then you can hold the control stick the initial direction (without jerking it or it'll dash dance) and you get the same kind of slide from pivot sliding. It's all timing.

wasabicheese · May 24, 2008

^^^^this works quite nicely

Exousia · May 24, 2008

Yea, I was about to go lolwut on this DragonFangX guy on something "he found" which he didn't (since 3 other people already did)<_<

Also, on a side note, i request my laser guide video to be listed please.

Blad01 · May 24, 2008

Exousia said:
Also, on a side note, i request my laser guide video to be listed please.

Hum, that's a video, so... I listed it anyway

Exousia · May 24, 2008

thank you blad

TheKneeOfJustice · May 24, 2008

As far as guides go in the next few weeks I am working on a very in depth one, all text, so if anyone wants to provide videos for it once it's published, just PM me.

Tommy_G · May 24, 2008

New AT for all characters, but since I'm a Falco mainer, I wanted to share here first

Hey guys. Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCA5hTvZIYM

Opinions?

PK-ow! · May 28, 2008

That's cool Tommy_G.
I wish I could pivot slide; I'm not sure what's goin' on in the vid.

I has a question. I can't get the dair at the end of a chain grab. In vids I've watched, people seem to slide forward one last time, and then jump + dair, connecting on the way up.

I can't get the slide, and my dair just ... doesn't line up. I'm not sure why. If I do the dair fast, the opponent is farther away than my hop. If I jump then dair, they've escaped hitstun.
What am I missing?

I would have thought there was another thread for this, but we have no stickied guide, and the Chaingrab Project is a narrow enterprise.

Tommy_G · May 30, 2008

Dash forward while the down throw frames are ending and jump spike right when you see the dash come out. It has to be almost instant.

Massiveguns · Jun 9, 2008

2 things no1 has said that are kinda advanced
1. you can SH dair out of CG or w.e off a stage and then just hold toward the ledge and u grab the ledge
2. on all stages u can wall jump with (Yoshi's Battlefield warioware etc.) you can tab away from the ledge and then just immediately phantasm toward the ledge and it works as a REALLY good stall.

IF u combo these 2 u can create a pretty lethal 0 death game out of chain grabs

Exousia · Jun 9, 2008

Massiveguns said:
2. on all stages u can wall jump with (Yoshi's Battlefield warioware etc.) you can tab away from the ledge and then just immediately phantasm toward the ledge and it works as a REALLY good stall.

Thats the "Reboot Edgehog" tech from Melee. In melee it could be done with the Firebird as well (but that method does not work anymore)

Krayn · Jun 16, 2008

GJ putting this stuff together. ty,

spare-jello · Jun 16, 2008

I'll be using this a ton. Thanks for keeping it up to date, too. I've seen way to many threads like this go to waste.

wangston · Jun 17, 2008

Here is the guide I made to learn how to chaingrab to dair. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175482 I might have to redo the video but it's nice little guide especially considering it is my first one.

Buddahmonk · Jul 1, 2008

very nice compilation! ^_^

dawn001 · Jul 1, 2008

so does anyone know other ways of using the reverse boost grab ??

Unusual_Rex · Jul 12, 2008

Thanks for this guide, I'm trying to add Falco to my mains.

wangston · Jul 15, 2008

Is my thread on chain grabbing to spiking every going to make it up there??

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175482

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