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Hey, everybody! While fooling around with the new AT, Boost Grabbing, I was able to find another new technique (Thanks, NZA, for inspiring me to try this out). Basically what happens in this AT is that you slide in one direction while doing a standing grab facing the other direction. The slide is longer with some characters compared to others, and I've found out that Falco seems to benefit most from this judging by the characters I've tested it out with.
How To:
Doing this is similar to Boost Smashing and Boost Grabbing. What you do is you dash, then tap down on the C-stick, then press Z+(The opposite direction you're facing) right away. So if let's say you wanna slide left while grabbing to the right, you have to press this button combination:
Joystick-Left --> Cstick-Down --> Z+Right
Directions are reversed if you wanna slide right while grabbing to the left, of course.
Uses:
So far, here are the uses I've found for this tecnique:
-Catching your opponent by surprise.
-Grabbing and throwing your opponent from the opposite side you're on (Assuming you want to do a throw other than the BThrow).
-Changing directions during chain grabs.
-Possibly a good substitute for wavedashing.
Characters that benefit most from this (Credits to locuan128):
Quote:
Characters who benefit from this (when I write benefit I mean a difference from the Pivot Grab to the Boost Grab):
Samus, Luigi, Sheik, Fox, Falco, Diddy Kong, Pikachu, Squirtle, Ike, Yoshi (not so much but more than others), Wolf, Lucario, Sonic, Toon Link, Olimar, Captain Falcon (Crazy good the difference is seen pretty quick), Lucas.
I still need to go under more testing but these are the characters that have had the most difference up to now.
Characters that were not included there is because there is no difference from their pivot grabs to their boost grab, or their boost grab is less than the pivot grab, or no effect...
Please check out the video above. Oh, and I'm sorry if this technique has been discovered before. I've checked the list of ATs and used the search function, but I haven't found anything similar to this.
EDIT: Just a reminder: This technique grants you this kind of momentum instantly, even when you've only been dashing for like less than a second. Pivot Grabbing, though, can't gain you momentum this far unless you've been dashing for a little more than a second or so.
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Last edited by Man_With_Thooo; 05-16-2008 at 01:48 AM.
Really Link as I'm on the boards like every single day and I've never seen this before?
What most likely happen was someone made a big thread about boot grabbing and he briefly touch this.
Anyways this looks pretty interesting Thooo and useful, thank you for making Brawl meta game just a little bit better by making this common knowledge/finding this.
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i think this is only really useful for ness, since hes the only one whos f and b-throw have such dramatic differences that it really is the difference between winning and losing depending on which side you grab them with.
So just to make sure I'm on the same page, this is starting a dash attack but grabbing instead, correct? And in the video you do the reverse grab the Dojo described as "pivot grabbing" yes?
So just to make sure I'm on the same page, this is starting a dash attack but grabbing instead, correct? And in the video you do the reverse grab the Dojo described as "pivot grabbing" yes?
No, what I did is completely different form the one stated in the Dojo. In the dojo, it says that doing a 180 degree grab will increase your range, though it doesn't keep much horizontal momentum. Reverse Boost Smashing doesn't increase your range by much and instead grants you a lot of horizontal momentum while grabbing, which is exactly what I did in the video. Just try it out yourself, then you'll see the difference.
1. Tested this method
2. Did the Pivot Grab
3. Compared Both
They are really similar techniques but with the boost grab you do get more horizontal distance than you would normally do with a pivot grab. Even though you can get the same distance with a Pivot Grab (although it is harder to do so) than if you do this Inverse boost grab method. I still need more practice but I'll update if I find anything new while testing this.
I compared this with the pivot grab too, and it seems like the pivot dashing needs you to dash for a second or so before gaining this much horizontal momentum, unless of course I'm doing it wrong. This technique, though, allows you to gain this kind of momentum with barely any dashing involved.
1. Tested this method
2. Did the Pivot Grab
3. Compared Both
They are really similar techniques but with the boost grab you do get more horizontal distance than you would normally do with a pivot grab. Even though you can get the same distance with a Pivot Grab (although it is harder to do so) than if you do this Inverse boost grab method. I still need more practice but I'll update if I find anything new while testing this.
I highly doubt this is easier then the normal pivot grab as you need to interrupt a dash attack to do so and for people who use Sheik this is difficult.
I highly doubt this is easier then the normal pivot grab as you need to interrupt a dash attack to do so and for people who use Sheik this is difficult.
It is not easier I can assure you that but you do get more distance as for Sheik she gets way more distance than she would get from a Pivot Grab, when I tested it this is most notable with Fox.
My procedure is:
Training mode on final destination.
Go to the corner of the stage then run to the center before hitting the middle diamond of the stage do a pivot grab or the boost grab.
As with Fox, when I did a Pivot Grab he got to the center of the diamond with a boost grab. He got to the other corner of the diamond. I think I can upload a vid but it is really poor quality (my camera is bad...).
It is not easier I can assure you that but you do get more distance as for Sheik she gets about a two step more distance, when I tested it this is most notable with Fox.
My procedure is:
Training mode on final destination.
Go to the corner of the stage then run to the center before hitting the middle diamond of the stage do a pivot grab or the boost grab.
As with Fox, when I did a Pivot Grab he got to the center of the diamond with a boost grab. He got to the other corner of the diamond. I think I can upload a vid but it is really poor quality (my camera is bad...).
I suggest that you try doing the techniques right after dashing rather than doing these when you hit the diamond. As I have said earlier, Reverse Boost Grabbing grants you instant horizontal momentum while Pivot Grabbing requires you to dash for a second or two before gaining momentum this far. In fact, I'm probably gonna edit the first post with this little piece of information to prevent confusion.
I suggest that you try doing the techniques right after dashing rather than doing these when you hit the diamond. As I have said earlier, Reverse Boost Grabbing grants you instant horizontal momentum while Pivot Grabbing requires you to dash for a second or two before gaining momentum this far. In fact, I'm probably gonna edit the first post with this little piece of information to prevent confusion.
Yea that is what I am doing, just initianing the technique at that instance so that it can be comparable with the pivot grab.
My method:
Results:
Mario: Not much difference, not very useful with him.
DK: Actually covers less distance than his pivot grab.
Link: About a foot more of distance. (not in like measuring feet but as in link's foot)
Samus: No difference.
ZSS: About two foots of distance.
Kirby: Hard to do but when done about a two foot more distance.
Fox: FOX USERS MUST USE THIS. LOL it's pivot grab difference to the boost grab is incredible.
Well I'm not gonna test it with the other characters because I saw a pattern here.
My theory is characters that have a dash attack longer than their pivot grabs will get a benefit from this technique maybe not by much but it will still be there.
Yea that is what I am doing, just initianing the technique at that instance so that it can be comparable with the pivot grab.
My method:
Results:
Mario: Not much difference, not very useful with him.
DK: Actually covers less distance than his pivot grab.
Link: About a foot more of distance. (not in like measuring feet but as in link's foot)
Samus: No difference.
ZSS: About two foots of distance.
Kirby: Hard to do but when done about a two foot more distance.
Fox: FOX USERS MUST USE THIS. LOL it's pivot grab difference to the boost grab is incredible.
Well I'm not gonna test it with the other characters because I saw a pattern here.
My theory is characters that have a dash attack longer than their pivot grabs will get a benefit from this technique maybe not by much but it will still be there.
Well then, I guess this will end up like boost-smashing where only a few characters benefit from this, but the benefits are quite helpful.
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