Glide Toss Lengths [UPDATED JUNE 11: Glide Toss "Tiers" ]

The following post explains Glide Tosses and lists each character's lengths. If you just want to see how the characters stack up, check two posts down.

Hey guys. I just spent a little bit to test the lengths of everyone's Glide Toss. Before I list them off, here's a video showing what a Glide Toss is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7sP_pzAggQ&feature=related

And to go through the steps:
1.) Shield.
2.) Start a roll.
3.) During the roll's starting frames, throw your item. This varies with each character. For the most part, the later you throw it, the further you go. Throwing upwards or downwards shortens your Glide Toss slightly.

So, I scrapped all the old data. I used this more precise method and came up with solid numbers; and this time, it's in alphabetical order! Basically, I created a stage on Creator with blocks straight across and a row of spikes above them. I then performed Glide Tosses (all four variants, Forward, Backwards, F Reverse, and B Reverse) with all characters and lined their positions up with the spikes. Each interval (gap-spike-gap being 3) counted for .0714. You could sorta look at this like an "Out of 5" scale, since very few Glide Tosses go above 5 block-distances, and those that do are just God Tier in Glide Toss Length terms. However, as will be mentioned later, many people will agree that a medium length Glide Toss is better for mobility and spacing.

Also, though some characters here have zero-length Glide Tosses, some of those characters can utilize techniques such as DACIT to achieve similar effects. This thread only documents the Glide Tosses, however.

So without further stalling, here's the more precise list. (F = Forward, B = Backwards, FR = Forward Reverse, BR = Backwards Reverse)

Complete List of Glide Toss Lengths

Bowser - 0

Captain Falcon - 1.998
F - 1.357
B - 2.6426
FR - 1.357
BR - 2.6426

Charizard - 0.1428
F - 0.2856
B - No distance.
FR - 0.2856
BR - No distance.

DeDeDe - 0

Diddy - 1.7586
F - 1.5355
B - 1.8568
FR - 1.7854
BR - 1.8568

DK - 2.1071
F - 4.2142
B - No distance.
FR - 4.2142
BR - No distance.

Falco - 2
F - 4
B - No distance.
FR - 4
BR - No distance.

Fox - 0.7319
F - 0.714
B - 0.7854
FR - 0.714
BR - 0.714

Game & Watch - 4.1785
F - 4.1428
B - 4.2142
FR - 4.1428
BR - 4.2142

Ganondorf - 1.2499
F - 1.3927
B - 1.1785
FR - 1.2142
BR - 1.2142

Ice Climbers - 0.3213
F - 0.6426
B - No distance
FR - 0.6426
BR - No distance

Ike - 0.5357
F - No distance
B - 1.0714
FR - No distance
BR - 1.0714

Ivysaur - 1.4195
F - 1.6783
B - 1.2142
FR- 1.4641
BR - 1.3213

Jigglypuff - 0

Kirby - 0

Link - 0

Lucario - 1.2051
F - 0.714
B - 1.6426
FR - 0.714
BR - 1.7497

Lucas - 0.4641
F - 0.357
B - 0.5712
FR - 0.357
BR - 0.5712

Luigi - 2.0088
F - 0.1785
B - 0.357
FR - 1.4284
BR - 6.0714 (OMGWTFHAX)

Mario - 0.8838
F - 0.4284
B - 1.357
FR - 0.4284
BR - 1.3213

Marth - 3.357
F - 1.357
B - 5.357
FR - 1.357
BR - 5.357

Metaknight - 4.4998
F - 4.5712
B - 4.4284
FR - 4.5712
BR - 4.4284

Ness - 0.4641
F - 0.357
B - 0.5712
FR - 0.357
BR - 0.5712

Olimar - 0.7854
F - 0.9282
B - 0.6426
FR - 0.9282
BR - 0.6426

Peach - 1.4107
F - 2.1071
B - 0.4641
FR - 2.0714
BR - 1

Pikachu - 0.7678
F - 1.0714
B - 1.0714
FR - 0.4284
BR - 0.5

Pit - 5.0088 (Highest average)
F - 5.0714
B- 4.8925
FR - 5.0714
BR - 5

ROB - 2.4106
F - 2.2142
B - 2.5355
FR - 2.2142
BR - 2.6783

Samus - 1.339
F - 0.9639
B - 1.714
FR - 0.9639
BR- 1.714

Sheik - 0 (Don't be fooled. Her normal backwards toss pushes her back slightly; that is not her Glide Toss.)

Snake - 1.2589
F - 1.0357
B - 1.4641
FR - 1.0357
BR - 1.5

Sonic - 4.125
F - 4.1785
B - 4.0714
FR - 4.1428
BR - 4.1071

Squirtle - 1.9641
F - 2.1428
B - 1.7854
FR - 2.1428
BR - 1.7854

Toon Link - 0

Wario - 1 (lol wut)
F - 1
B - 1
FR - 1
BR - 1

Wolf - .8925
F - 0.8568
B - 0.9282
FR - 0.8568
BR - 0.9282

Zelda - 1.5624
F - 1.4284
B - 1.6069
FR - 1.5
BR - 1.714

ZSS - 1.0357
F - 2
B - No distance
FR - 2.1428
BR - No distance

Why did I make this compilation, when most of these characters can't even spawn items? Because when facing Snake, Diddy, ROB, ZSS, Toon Link, Link, and Peach, you'll know who can Glide Toss and how far they go. I've done some epic stuff myself with this; MK's Glide Toss with Diddy's Banana into fsmash for the KO, for instance.

What Gives a Glide Toss Its Length
After some massive re-thinking on this, I've come to the following conclusions:
1.) Amount of momentum built up from the roll's IASA frames has the largest effect on distance. This is why throwing the item at the last possible moment (i.e., the "sweetspot frame") gives the longest Glide Toss.
2.) Traction is another main factor in distance. The main evidence of it not being the primary factor is Luigi not having 6+ Glide Tosses all around.
3.) Some characters gain/lose distance when throwing backwards. For instance, Pikachu loses momentum from throwing backwards, and Luigi gains a huge amount.
4.) Rolling speed plays a very small part, however its role seems to be negligable at best.

List of "Perfect Only" Glide Tosses
What this means is that you have to hit a certain frame to get the absolute max; I'm only listing the ones that would otherwise have a very small Glide Toss. Basically, if the Perfect Glide Toss length differs by more than .2856 from the other lengths, it's listed here.
Metaknight - Backwards and Backwards Reverse
G&W - All four variations
Olimar - Forward and Forward Reverse
Luigi - Backwards Reverse (yes, the OMGWTFHAX Glide Toss)
Falco - Forward Reverse
Captain Falcon - Forward and Forward Reverse
Charizard - Forward and Forward Reverse

Quick Reference
- Highest Average Distance - Pit: 5.0088
- Most Rounded Average - Wario: 1 Avg; 1 distance for all Glide Tosses
- Longest Glide Toss - Luigi Backwards Reverse - 6.0714
- Shortest non-zero Glide Toss - Charizard Forward and F Reverse - 0.2856
- Longest Forward: Pit: 5.0714.
- Shortest non-zero Forward: Charizard: 0.2856
- Longest Backwards: Marth: 5.357
- Shortest non-zero Backwards: Luigi: 0.357
- Longest F Reverse: Pit: 5.0714
- Shortest non-zero F Reverse - Charizard - 0.2856
- Longest B Reverse: Luigi: 6.0714
- Shortest non-zero B Reverse: Lucas and Ness: 0.5712

And in conclusion, some side notes:
- All of the backwards Glide Tosses that cover no distance actually cover a very small distance coming from the pre-set momentum of throwing an item backwards.
- I realize Yoshi isn't on here; he can't Glide Toss. Unlike those who don't gain any distance, Yoshi cannot cancel his roll at all by throwing an item.

Thanks goes to Rapid Assassin (on June 5th) for noticing that I forgot Peach; and apparently I missed Ness, Olimar, and Pikachu as well. They've been added.

And that's all. Thanks for reading.
... Actually, no that's not all. Recently, I've compiled a rankings list of sorts, organizing the people with the longest Glide Tosses in each category. It's listed 2 posts down, right under SamuraiPanda's post.

Very interesting. Nice work! This will no doubt be in my next update of the information sticky, its great stuff.

I do have a suggestion though: Try to make a system to assign the distance to numbers. Expressing the the distance with a number is most efficient, easier to refer to, and much faster read.

And... Here are the ranking lists for each of the four Glide Tosses, listed in Tier format! However, before reading this over, take note: this list is based solely on distance. No other factors were in consideration. As many Diddy mains will attest to, a medium length Glide Toss (generally those in Low and Mid Tiers as listed here) is better for spacing purposes and controlling movement.

God Tier = 6 or more (only one Glide Toss is up this high.)
Top Tier = 4.5 or more (Very few are up here)
High Tier = 3.5 or more (These guys are usually very close to Top.)
Mid Tier = 2 or more (Average length Glide Toss. Nothing special.)
Low Tier = 1 or more (Most Glide Toss Lengths are here)
Bottom Tier = Less than 1; non-zero. (A lot are here too.)
Garbage Tier = No distance. (ouch.)
Non-Existent Tier = Yoshi (No, seriously. He can't cancel his roll.)

FORWARD GLIDE TOSS
God Tier
Nope, not here.

Top Tier
1.) Pit
2.) Metaknight

High Tier
3.) Donkey Kong
4.) Sonic
5.) Mr. Game & Watch
6.) Falco

Mid Tier
7.) ROB
8.) Squirtle
9.) Peach
10.) ZSS

Low Tier
11.) Ivysaur
12.) Diddy
13.) Zelda
14.) Ganondorf
15.) Captain Falcon, Marth
17.) Pikachu
18.) Snake
19.) Wario

Bottom Tier
20.) Samus
21.) Olimar
22.) Wolf
23.) Fox, Lucario
25.) Ice Climbers
26.) Mario
27.) Lucas, Ness
29.) Charizard
30.) Luigi

Garbage Tier
31.) Bowser, DeDeDe, Ike, Jigglypuff, Kirby, Link, Sheik, Toon Link

Non-existent Tier
39.) Yoshi

BACKWARD GLIDE TOSS
God Tier
Try again...

Top Tier
1.) Marth
2.) Pit

High Tier
3.) Metaknight
4.) Mr. Game & Watch
5.) Sonic

Mid Tier
6.) Captain Falcon
7.) ROB

Low Tier
8.) Diddy
9.) Squirtle
10.) Samus
11.) Lucario
12.) Zelda
13.) Snake
14.) Mario
15.) Ivysaur
16.) Ganondorf
17.) Ike, Pikachu
19.) Wario

Bottom Tier
20.) Wolf
21.) Fox
22.) Olimar
23.) Lucas, Ness
25.) Peach
26.) Luigi

Garbage Tier
27.) Bowser, Charizard, DeDeDe, DK, Falco, Ice Climbers, Jigglypuff, Kirby, Link, Sheik, Toon Link, ZSS

Non-existent Tier
39.) Yoshi

FORWARD REVERSE GLIDE TOSS
God Tier
Wait for it...

Top Tier
1.) Pit
2.) Metaknight

High Tier
3.) DK
4.) Mr. Game & Watch, Sonic
6.) Falco

Mid Tier
7.) ROB
8.) Squirtle, ZSS
10.) Peach

Low Tier
11.) Diddy
12.) Zelda
13.) Ivysaur
14.) Luigi
15.) Captain Falcon, Marth
17.) Ganondorf
18.) Snake
19.) Wario

Bottom Tier
20.) Samus
21.) Olimar
22.) Wolf
23.) Fox, Lucario
25.) Ice Climbers
26.) Mario, Pikachu
28.) Lucas, Ness
30.) Charizard

Garbage Tier
31.) Bowser, DeDeDe, Ike, Jigglypuff, Kirby, Link, Sheik, Toon Link

Non-Existent Tier
39.) Yoshi

BACKWARDS REVERSE GLIDE TOSS
God Tier (There we go...)
1.) Luigi

Top Tier
2.) Marth
3.) Pit

High Tier
4.) Metaknight
5.) Mr. Game & Watch
6.) Sonic

Mid Tier
7.) ROB
8.) Captain Falcon

Low Tier
9.) Diddy
10.) Squirtle
11.) Lucario
12.) Samus, Zelda
14.) Snake
15.) Ivysaur, Mario
17.) Ganondorf
18.) Ike
19.) Peach, Wario

Bottom Tier
21.) Wolf
22.) Fox
23.) Olimar
24.) Lucas, Ness
26.) Pikachu

Garbage Tier
27.) Bowser, Charizard, DeDeDe, DK, Falco, Ice Climbers, Jigglypuff, Kirby, Link, Sheik, Toon Link, ZSS

Non-Existent Tier
39.) Yoshi


Sorry to all the Yoshi mains out there

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=154982

Here's my data on Glide Tossing, taken a few months back. List of distances towards the bottom. Hope it helps.

BurningCrusader777 said:

Yeah, my next step is to organize a list of longest to shortest.

It'll take some time though >_>

Click to expand...

Either that or alphabetical order.

Suggestion:
* Get a capture card/Someone with a capture card
* Capture video at a high resolution (640x480?)
* Choose Yoshi's story
* Use the same computer dummy (human control) for all tests
* Have the computer dummy roll onto the edge of the platform (and stay there)
* Roll onto the edge (not on the platform) on the other side of the stage
* Glide toss
* Rinse and repeat with all characters
* View captured video
* Start counting pixels!

I've been using this with Pit quite a bit against R.O.B.s. So much so in fact I included it in my latest UndrWorld video. If anyone is interested in seeing how far Pit travels, click the link below. ^_^

UndrWorld 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8vUpkV2mak

Great list !

But yeah, you should indicate the distance by percentages. (Middle of DF = 50%)

Too bad nobody has an AR that could try this out on the homerun contest stage...

Do they still have the ground distance travelled stat they had in Melee that measured ft/m or whatever that name/character had gone? You could run a name for each player to get a few trials per match on a character (to make sure you get the max distance you can on one of them), and it would give you an exact measurement. Could make one a Peach on a team by themself or something to supply the others with items to throw without moving from their starting positions, and then SD to end the match.

Blad01 said:

But yeah, you should indicate the distance by percentages. (Middle of DF = 50%)

Click to expand...

My analysis (posted in my previous reply) measures each Glide Toss' distance numerically by the number of FD "sights" the character travels. It also measures the distance of all three types of glide-toss (forward, reverse, backward). The formatting sucks and the character names aren't in alphabetical order, but it's hard data nonetheless.

I haven't gotten to it yet, but I've come up with how to record this:

I'll just make a large stage on Stage Creator, Glide Toss, and count the number of blocks. Easy enough.

As a follow-up to my previous post, basically, here's what I'm doing... not done yet, and I probably won't be for some time. Luckily, I'm completely free tomorrow, so...

Like I said, I made the stage. Along with the blocks, I placed sets of spikes above each one so that I could stand on the blocks with the spikes one square above. It's just for more precision; I made each spike interval (gap-spike-gap-spike being four intervals) equal .0714, which is approximately 100/14, which is the number of intervals.

It's going to take me some time, but it'll be a lot more precise. I've tested with Forward, Backward, Forward Reverse, and Backward Reverse. That also brings up another point; all the "backwards" listed in the OP (before the mass overhaul, which is what is currently up) were actually Backward Reverse. There's a big difference for some characters, with Luigi being one of them and most noticeable so far. His GT value for Backward is only .357 (up to interval five on the first set of spikes), but his GT value for Backward Reverse is a huge 6.0714 (six blocks, and up to interval one on the first).

Wow, you're going all out on this. Truly incredible. Let me know when you're done - I'll add this thread to the Glide Tossing entry in the Compilation.

This is interesting work. Keep it up.

Alright. I've compiled all the data; all that remains now is to do the calculations and get the numbers up.

Everything's up. w00t.

Hmm? I've been doing G&W's glide toss for a while, and I was under the impression that it had little to do with roll speeds, and a lot to do with ground friction or whatever. G&W isn't the fastest roller :S

But good job compiling this!
I wasnt to surprised that Luigi had a good one.

I could be wrong on that. I think it's a combination of the two... But it may have more to do with the roll's IASA frames.

Nice job my good sir. I like the material a lot. For easier reading, I'd recommend putting the throw used beside each set of numbers for the characters.

Wow, I expected higher numbers from Zelda in comparison to the rest after looking at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKaa9vyiChw

It's possible that I missed some sweetspot frames. I'll go back and double check some time in the future; but I'm sure that most of the results are accurate to at least .2856.

Where's Peach? She uses glide toss more than most random characters.

lol whoops I forgot Peach

Lemme get that up now

The longest to shortest list is on the way. I'll finish it up and post it later today (technically, 12:02 AM is yesterday's tomorrow, which is today...) after I sleep >_>

It's up now; the "Tiers" are under Panda's post on the first page.

Hey dude, is there any difference if you Glide Toss up or down?

From what I saw, there was a small decrease in distance, but not by much (practically less than 1/4 of a block in most cases). Forward/backward toss gives some momentum, I think.

Pits glidetoss goes half the stage of FD. abou the same distance the banana travels lol. sadly Pit has a laggy dash attack which makes him hard pressed to keep getting bananerz =( but.. you hear? the new rage is to wingdash over them to pick them up

Yeah, Pit's Glide Toss is great.
I haven't heard about picking up Bananas with Wingdash though. Pretty smart tactics, kudos to the players who thought of it.

OMG Meta's at 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. Sill broken. ;P

Nice work! it sucks how pit doesn't create items.

Very nice, luigi in god tier =D

Good work!!! Thats a lot of nice info...
LOL at poor yoshi

wow...MK glide tosses FAR! wish he had an item...lol

u might wana take a look at wario's again, ive seen him fly with glide toss.

I'll update when I have a bit more time to test it out.

Interesting thread, though Zelda's Forward glide toss is much longer than listed. Done correctly, it goes about as far as Pit's. Done incorrectly, it behaves as listed.

Except... long glide tosses are way, way cooler.